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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 04 2015 17:34 GMT
#5441
Mig was my lynch of choice d2 as well but no one present seemed interested in lynching him
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 04 2015 17:37 GMT
#5442
On July 05 2015 02:29 Holyflare wrote:
dude i was so ready to bus mig day 2 if i had to and gb kept stopping me


XD that probably would of made you more mafia though
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 04 2015 17:50 GMT
#5443
On July 04 2015 20:49 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2015 18:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 04 2015 14:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I mean normally I don't blame people for getting lynched but you almost got lynched twice and then actually did get lynched the third time...even though you were actually a blue and you actually had a red check. As I said to my shadow I didn't fear anyone in this game and it's really obvious no one on my team really feared you either given how easily you were set up for lynch 3 times in a row.

Ordinarily I might agree that town did something dumb but given how little credence you had (and your own posts did not help at all) I don't blame people for wanting to lynch you.


Well, I never said I played optimally. I didn't. But what I'm arguing is this: does being illogical makes someone Mafia?

You can have little trust in my reads. But those change of reads didn't make me Mafia.


If you gotta go to that argument you're in a bad way. It's like how if you get into a long debate and suddenly find yourself saying "well, can we really know anything? is there really such a thing as facts?" -- yeah, sure, you're I guess not technically incorrect, but if this is the only argument you can use to win the debate, clearly you're in a bad place.


This is not what I'm saying at all. The nature of what I'm arguing is very different.

I'm basically asking "what makes someone Mafia?", and you're saying that I'm asking "how can we possibly know that someone is actually Mafia?"

A lot of people have different tools to catch Mafia by saying Mafia are usually passive, inactive, bla bla bla, and I'm asking if being illogical is one of the traits. Is it?
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 04 2015 17:57 GMT
#5444
On July 04 2015 20:58 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2015 18:50 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 04 2015 17:57 marvellosity wrote:
there are many players who think their style is ok or good, and it just isn't.

when you're a cop with a redcheck and you get lynched, you're doing/have done something horribly, horribly wrong (HF being fantastic not withstanding)

when you know who the entire scumteam is and why and you get lynched, you're doing something horribly, horribly wrong (Onegu). Especially Onegu's reaction to the post-game is all wrong, his reaction shouldn't be "why didn't you listen to me scrubs" but "how can I be so fucking shit tier that I got lynched today"
On July 04 2015 17:28 justanothertownie wrote:
On July 04 2015 10:35 Fidei86 wrote:
@Onegu - do you not see that every game you pull that crap, you fuck town? Sure, you've solved both games you've been in that I've been in, but at the same time you've also never had enough cred to get your reads lynched. I'm urging you and begging you ... PLEASE stop. You're ruining games for people you're town with.

Yep. It also doesn't take a genius to solve a game at LYLO as the go to lynchbait/mislynch player. That's a giant information advantage you have over townies that are actually towny.

Also I mentioned this earlier too, but especially this. HF literally had to be mafia from Onegu's POV. That's not skill, that's just that you're the scrub mafia decided they could lynch (and mafia were right)


I know I didn't play optimally but I don't see how my play is scummy.

Maybe you could show me what I did that was terribly, terribly wrong.

Damdred had me as town, Rsoultin had me as town. Are they average or good for realising that? People that mislynched me, are they bad or average?

It's easy to see it objectively and make this rule "if you claimed cop and had a red check, AND got lynched, you did something terribly wrong", but looking at circumstances, it doesn't work this way - in other words, I was mislynched because town didn't consolidate. Just look at he day3 vote count.

it's because your play is so habitually all over the place and nonsensical.

for example you faking redchecks on people.

you might think it's worth it for these awesome reactions it gets, but hey, that's part of the reason you got lynched.

If you play like you have ADHD then you get your rewards for it.

This isn't to say I think you're a bad player, I think you're fairly sharp and intuitive. you just use your tools in a very poor way.


I can understand this. I already admitted the fake red check on Rsoultin and my ADHD play (lol I liked this one) didn't help.

But I also think, marv, that that kind of play is more likely coming from town than from Mafia. It's not a GOOD play, but it isn't scummy IMO. For example, I think that Mafia would never come day3 saying they DIDN'T get roleblocked and that they DID have a red check instead of an obvious green one.

Anyway, I agree that my gameplay needs to be polished. Thank you
I'm adorable.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 04 2015 17:58 GMT
#5445
lol not with you xP

come play voice mafia with us on ts ^^ the gang's all here!
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 04 2015 18:09 GMT
#5446
A lot of townies have their priorities mixed up for what is most important for being a good town. The #1 thing by a huge margin that makes someone a good town is the ability to make people believe you are town and not to get mislynched. Even if that is all you have it is still huge, it makes the game so much tougher for mafia. Boxer/yam/onegu were all easy targets who didn't put any effort in, if they didn't exist mafia would have probably lost. Gb's plan worked, he successfully tricked us and got a red check on hf/implicated me but none of it mattered because he changed his story so many times/seemed flakey which was just enough for people to doubt and mislynch him. Reads really dont matter at all if you are lynched/no one listens to you.

Day 1 town played poorly / wbg and hf played great. There were something like 140 pages by the time day2 started, which is wayyyy too big for a game of this size. Wbg and hf just shit up the thread with endless tunneling and arguing non stop. The chances of a mafia being lynched in that environment are low. In every game there are going to be lazy/busy townies and when the thread is 100 pages of completely pointless arguments they are going to skim or not read posts at all. The problem that some active townies have is that they cant help but respond to every post directed at them, mafia can use these townies to help derail the thread. A lot of times once it becomes clear that someone is completely tunneled in it is a lot better to only start selectively responding to their posts and instead use your time to discuss things with other people.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 04 2015 18:24 GMT
#5447
On July 05 2015 02:58 rsoultin wrote:
lol not with you xP

come play voice mafia with us on ts ^^ the gang's all here!


Give me half an hour
I'm adorable.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 04 2015 19:37 GMT
#5448
On July 05 2015 02:50 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2015 20:49 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 04 2015 18:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 04 2015 14:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I mean normally I don't blame people for getting lynched but you almost got lynched twice and then actually did get lynched the third time...even though you were actually a blue and you actually had a red check. As I said to my shadow I didn't fear anyone in this game and it's really obvious no one on my team really feared you either given how easily you were set up for lynch 3 times in a row.

Ordinarily I might agree that town did something dumb but given how little credence you had (and your own posts did not help at all) I don't blame people for wanting to lynch you.


Well, I never said I played optimally. I didn't. But what I'm arguing is this: does being illogical makes someone Mafia?

You can have little trust in my reads. But those change of reads didn't make me Mafia.


If you gotta go to that argument you're in a bad way. It's like how if you get into a long debate and suddenly find yourself saying "well, can we really know anything? is there really such a thing as facts?" -- yeah, sure, you're I guess not technically incorrect, but if this is the only argument you can use to win the debate, clearly you're in a bad place.


This is not what I'm saying at all. The nature of what I'm arguing is very different.

I'm basically asking "what makes someone Mafia?", and you're saying that I'm asking "how can we possibly know that someone is actually Mafia?"

A lot of people have different tools to catch Mafia by saying Mafia are usually passive, inactive, bla bla bla, and I'm asking if being illogical is one of the traits. Is it?


I mean if you asked everyone what makes mafia most people won't even agree. In a real game if you genuinely ask that half the people won't bother answering you even. It's also honestly mostly only obvious how a particular player plays as scum (or town) in hindsight.

So what matters more than having good reads is the ability to convince townies to go your way, if you think your way is good, and MOST importantly, convince everyone you are town. Fake claiming, throwing around suspicions willy nilly, throwing around reads willy nilly, is a great way for everyone to think you are scum because your in-thread opinions change on such a whim and at such little precedent that it looks like you're scum just trying to get something to stick. Lots of people will see that and overlook any other traits that may make you look townier because they miss the forest for the trees.

When you realize that most people are just willing to jump on lowest common denominator (gonna use LCD here) lynches, then you need to make YOUR lynch into an LCD lynch; something everyone will agree on. That's how I get people lynched as either alignment and it works surprisingly well. It also works to get people OFF lynches if you explicitly show how someone is the LCD at a particular moment in time. e.g. if I were town this game I would've vehemently defended BF and LS just like I did this game because they are two players who are at risk for being that type of lynch.

The problem of course is that here you have to assume your read is good to lead a lynch like that. If you fuck it up you lose credence but you simultaneously need the confidence to know you won't get lynched for it. So it's a 3 part thing-Have good reads, convince people you are right, and don't be wrong.
TJHuggins
Profile Joined July 2015
39 Posts
July 06 2015 02:01 GMT
#5449
/in
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
July 06 2015 02:02 GMT
#5450
On July 06 2015 11:01 TJHuggins wrote:
/in


boyfriend put it in wrong thread forgive him!
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 06 2015 02:04 GMT
#5451
/in

## vote shockeyy, holyflare, mig, bugs #

GOAT

on my dick
Zerg for Life
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 06 2015 03:23 GMT
#5452
why do you want a goat on your dick
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 06 2015 04:04 GMT
#5453
On July 06 2015 12:23 Holyflare wrote:
why do you want a goat on your dick


Why wouldn't he?
I'm adorable.
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
July 09 2015 18:26 GMT
#5454
Rofl I knew that I was going to be busy with my exam so I tried to fake breadcrumb being a role. Just read mafia qt, sad that it didn't get me nked but damn I can't believe it worked.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
July 09 2015 18:45 GMT
#5455
KelsierSC wrong, I'm town.
Life?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-16 14:25:21
August 16 2015 14:24 GMT
#5456
wrong thread.
table for two on a tv tray
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