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or in my case: "wtf I wasn't here that lynch was terrible" I can't remember a day 1 lynch I liked. I don't think such a thing exists. | ||
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Deutsch exam in an hour, see you guys onthe other side! Hopefully by the time I'm back and exhausted there will be a mafia game to play/troll | ||
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Okay, enough chitter chatter, both on my part and all of yours! Let's get to hunting scum. WBG's Awesome Guide to Catching Scum! Step 1: Tell people who are being dumb to stop being dumb. It's distracting, damn it! These people, stop being thick. If you're town, you're hurting more than helping. If you continue to be dumb, I will vote you. Current Dumb List Palmar jaybrundage Mr. Wiggles Step 2: Elaborate! Palmar, as usual, you have started day 1 by being useless. It's quite funny that you call me unreadable and you say this: On November 15 2011 09:41 Palmar wrote: I'm dead serious. WBG is a good lynch. He's probably top 2-3 scum players in this game, but his town play is more middle of the road. He's hard to read because he's loud and arrogant without being right often enough to call him out on it when he's wrong. Top town players like Sandroba or myself can be figured out just based on if we're actually making the right calls or not. when this is quite a hypocritical fabrication. Firstly, I don't know if I should be insulted, or flattered. So...I'll go with indifference. My town play isn't amazingly horrible. I had a very bad performance in XLV and I probably will never live that down, but I have grown to despise PM games because of it and PYP. In PYP most of the scum I caught were caught in the thread and not through PMs. PMs just allowed them to escape off the hook. Recall that my day 1 scumreads in PYP were prpl and chaoser, both scum. They both survived day 1 because they used PMs to convince Rad and Mig that they were town. Prpl had the balls to claim DF and chaoser just guilt tripped us. My third read was sandro, also scum, again surviving because of PMs. My fourth was node, the person Mig and I told Radfield to ultimately lynch. Also scum. Fifth was Wiggles, who was shot by the town circle on n2. Also scum. I would like to think that my performance in non-PM games is better than it is in PM games. Granted, the sample size is tiny so take what you will. I recall you calling me bad repeatedly in PYP. Yet, you were the one shot by another townie, you were the one who tried shooting a townie on n1, and you were the one more detrimental to town that game. And you say that you are in the same league as sandro as town (rofl), a player who routinely rapes scumteams. I don't think so. By all means though, the problem we have right now is that none of this makes you anything other than completely null. You're self-admittedly horrible at scum, but it's anyone's guess what alignment you are right now. (as usual) jaybrundage, I don't know who you are, since you are new. However, as sandro said, this is not how you start a game of mafia. It'll get you lynched sooner than later. Please make an effort to read the thread and push your suspicions with proper logic and reasoning. Reading well is the most important part of this game. If you don't do that, then you will be a distraction to town because you won't know what's going on. Don't be afraid of posting, either. If you disappear randomly at inopportune moments we will be forced to be suspicious of you. On November 15 2011 10:11 jaybrundage wrote: Hm funny thing is that this is my first game so you obviously have the wrong person. And a no lynch would not be good from what i hear so why not? This, for example, is an example of bad logic. A no-lynch is only bad in the case where we have a good scummy target to kill and we benefit more from the information we get from the lynch on day 1 than anything else. In the case where we suspect all the vote candidates close to the deadline are actually townies, a no-lynch is very good because it will extend the game by 1 day. In fact, if we're unsure by tomorrow if we have a scum or not, no-lynching would be a great idea. However, right now that isn't the case, luckily. Of course, if you're scum, go fuck yourself, you're never gonna listen to this anyway. On November 16 2011 03:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Wow, this is going really slow. Here's something to get people talking: If you could pick one player (Not yourself) to make mayor (decides day 1 lynch + a couple night's worth of protection), who would it be and why? I would personally pick MZ. He's level headed, and a decent scum-hunter, so I don't think he'd do anything crazy with a day 1 lynch, and the protection would come in handy with letting him live until later when he could scum-hunt more effectively. Back to you guys. Mr. Wiggles, I don't believe I've ever seen you play town. Nonetheless, your first post is moronic. You're obviously not new, and I assume you have a functioning cerebral cortex. Thus, I think you should stop distracting town with a brainless question and an equally brainless answer to your own question. Next time, ask people what their favorite color is, because I'm sure that'll be more relevant to finding scum than what you posted. Step 3: Find things that don't make sense! + Show Spoiler [wallofquotes] + On November 15 2011 10:18 hiro protagonist wrote: No its not. Palmar is spot on about WBG's play. His overly aggressive play does not create good town atmosphere IMO. I would vote on him just on that alone. I would hope that the threat of a meta lynch would change his style. On November 15 2011 10:49 hiro protagonist wrote: Im not trolling On November 15 2011 17:11 hiro protagonist wrote: I know you where trolling  Im with you Erandorr, I would like to start this game off on the right foot. So lets lay down some frame work: Towns goal for day 1 should be to create a good town atmosphere. What is good town atmosphere you ask? Well there is the obvious stuff like dont lurk, post with content etc. But there is less obvious stuff like pointless arguing, spam, and aggressive tunneling that Have haunted TL towns in the past. Those things only further scum objectives. I will be taking a hard stance on anyone that derails positive discussion this game. Lets start off on the right foot! On November 15 2011 18:14 hiro protagonist wrote: How bought this, tell my why its bad to bring up lynch based on logic? How about discussing the merits of such a lynch? A side affect of "Palmars plan" stirs discussion, how is that bad? In your two post so far, you have only commented on other players post, without providing any content of you own. On November 16 2011 05:00 hiro protagonist wrote: I tend not to answer questions about me that can be answered by reading my post  Shout at him? I was just typing 0_o. He ask a question about something I did not do. I did not place a vote on WBG. I agree that It would be dumb to try and lynch someone that has not posted yet. But whats wrong about threatening to lynch someone if they play like they did in past games that have been anti town? I got nothing against bugs, but there is nothing wrong about encouraging him to change his meta a bit for the good of this game is there? hopefully that answers your question. Again, putting words in my mouth. I argued lynching Wbg if he plays like his usually overly aggressive/tunneling self. No where do I say we should blind lynch anyone. 0_o So, with that out of the way, I would like to here more from Meapak, as he is the only one that has not said something game relevant yet. Also jaybrundage, dont be shy, We know your new to the game so we wont hold it against you. tell us what you think of the other player so far ^_^ On November 16 2011 05:06 hiro protagonist wrote: How about the content in your posts before this one 0_0 ? who had more to say? On November 16 2011 05:35 hiro protagonist wrote: Did it attempt to set the tone for the day? Yes. Did it give my feelings on pointless arguing and tunneling? Yes. Does it give a framework for newer players? Yes. I know "game mechanics" type post dont reveal alinement, but that does not make them useless. Why are you trying to say otherwise? On November 16 2011 07:02 hiro protagonist wrote: No shit mafia want to look like town without actually trying to help. They also want a bad atmosphere to hide in. By saying my post is worthless, your saying that its cool to spam, argue, and tunnel, which mafia love. You are pushing pro mafia ideas. So my FoS still stands. On November 16 2011 07:17 hiro protagonist wrote: -__- ill be back in 24 hours On November 16 2011 07:56 hiro protagonist wrote: being loud does not mean your right Meapak. I stand behind everything I said. Just because you say its worthless does not make it so. How am I to start the game then. Troll like everyone else? Im being active and contributing while some players have said next to nothing. "OMG! someone is acting pro town! he must be scum trying to fit in!" This is your logic for lynching me. On November 16 2011 08:06 hiro protagonist wrote: I want to lynch Meapak. I would love to see more/any posts from Sandroba, Palmar, Wiggles, and WBG but there on my radar too. If you were not voting for me, who would you like to lynch? Oh oops... I guess that's every single post hiro has made since the game started. I guess I'll make it easier for everyone in the future and just post his entire fucking filter. Other things that don't make much sense: as previously mentioned, Wiggles's only post and Palmar's hypocrisy. This post by jay: On November 15 2011 08:02 jaybrundage wrote: Because we need to get lynch off and someone else voted for him Very terrible reason to vote someone. Step 4: Piece together the nonsense! Alright, this could be long, since hiro has basically done almost every scumslip imaginable in the span of like six hours. I've spoilered the following with my commentary. I duplicated the quotes from earlier since it's easier for me to keep my train of thought steady when I can see what originally tipped me off as weird. Open when you are ready. + Show Spoiler [hiroanalysis] + On November 15 2011 10:18 hiro protagonist wrote: No its not. Palmar is spot on about WBG's play. His overly aggressive play does not create good town atmosphere IMO. I would vote on him just on that alone. I would hope that the threat of a meta lynch would change his style. First post of the game. Completely agrees with Palmar when Palmar wasn't even correct. He doesn't even agree with Palmar on why I would make a good lynch. Palmar suggests that I'd make a good lynch on the simple fact that I am difficult to read and that I am a bigger threat to town as scum rather than a benefit as town. Hiro thinks I should be lynched because he doesn't like my aggressiveness. There's a huge difference here. Most telling is the fact that hiro agrees without actually knowing what my scum play looks like. Palmar's vote hinges primarily on the assumption that my scum play is good. In fact, you can even smell that hiro reacted in a way that suggests he already knows I'm town. Otherwise, why would he bring up my aggressiveness specifically when I am town on his own accord? On November 15 2011 10:49 hiro protagonist wrote: Im not trolling Shocking. On November 15 2011 17:11 hiro protagonist wrote: I know you where trolling Im with you Erandorr, I would like to start this game off on the right foot. So lets lay down some frame work: Towns goal for day 1 should be to create a good town atmosphere. What is good town atmosphere you ask? Well there is the obvious stuff like dont lurk, post with content etc. But there is less obvious stuff like pointless arguing, spam, and aggressive tunneling that Have haunted TL towns in the past. Those things only further scum objectives. I will be taking a hard stance on anyone that derails positive discussion this game. Lets start off on the right foot! He says that he's going to take a hard stance on anyone who derails positive discussion, and that good posting involves posts with content. The very post in which this is said has no content. Definition of hypocrisy. On November 15 2011 18:14 hiro protagonist wrote: How bought this, tell my why its bad to bring up lynch based on logic? How about discussing the merits of such a lynch? A side affect of "Palmars plan" stirs discussion, how is that bad? In your two post so far, you have only commented on other players post, without providing any content of you own. What's not so surprising here is that hiro doesn't understand what logic actually is. What's sad is that he thinks Palmar's vote reason was an example of good logic. Palmar's plan surely stirred discussion. And you're right hiro, it isn't bad, since you were outed by it. So thanks, Palmar. The funniest part of this post is the end. Hiro gets incredibly defensive on prpl and accuses prpl of making useless posts. Once again, hypocrisy. On November 16 2011 05:00 hiro protagonist wrote: I tend not to answer questions about me that can be answered by reading my post Shout at him? I was just typing 0_o. He ask a question about something I did not do. I did not place a vote on WBG. I agree that It would be dumb to try and lynch someone that has not posted yet. But whats wrong about threatening to lynch someone if they play like they did in past games that have been anti town? I got nothing against bugs, but there is nothing wrong about encouraging him to change his meta a bit for the good of this game is there? hopefully that answers your question. Okay, so first hiro says he doesn't answer questions about himself that can be read in his posts. Yet, he never actually explained why he was okay with pressuring me, but not okay with actually going one step further and being part of that pressure with a vote. Erandorr's question was perfectly valid, and very telling of hiro's alignment. Scum aren't willing to put their money where their mouth is; they tend to be cautious when cementing their thoughts with a vote. Let's keep this in mind, since it comes into play later. On November 16 2011 05:00 hiro protagonist wrote: Again, putting words in my mouth. I argued lynching Wbg if he plays like his usually overly aggressive/tunneling self. No where do I say we should blind lynch anyone. 0_o So, with that out of the way, I would like to here more from Meapak, as he is the only one that has not said something game relevant yet. Also jaybrundage, dont be shy, We know your new to the game so we wont hold it against you. tell us what you think of the other player so far ^_^ Let's also keep this in mind; note how hiro accuses sandro of putting words in his mouth. Remember that. Also what's weird is that he says he wants to hear more from Meapak, who apparently is the only one who has not said anything game relevant. Wtf? What happened to me? Did he just forget about me because Meapak became suspicious of him? On November 16 2011 05:06 hiro protagonist wrote: How about the content in your posts before this one 0_0 ? who had more to say? Hiro responds to the accusation that his posts are useless with a counter accusation. Let's keep this in mind too. On November 16 2011 05:35 hiro protagonist wrote: Did it attempt to set the tone for the day? Yes. Did it give my feelings on pointless arguing and tunneling? Yes. Does it give a framework for newer players? Yes. I know "game mechanics" type post dont reveal alinement, but that does not make them useless. Why are you trying to say otherwise? Okay, you can tell this post is total and utter bullshit just by the fact that he claims he was trying to set a framework for newer players. Newsflash: If anyone actually read the player list for this game, there is only ONE new player. Jaybrundage. Everyone else knows how to play mafia, and this cop out excuse is a total bunch of shit. Nice fail. On November 16 2011 07:02 hiro protagonist wrote: No shit mafia want to look like town without actually trying to help. They also want a bad atmosphere to hide in. By saying my post is worthless, your saying that its cool to spam, argue, and tunnel, which mafia love. You are pushing pro mafia ideas. So my FoS still stands. Alright, remember how I said to keep in mind that hiro accused sandro of putting words in his mouth? Here we see hiro putting words in Meapak's mouth. Once again, blatant hypocrite. Hiro's posts, by all standards, are completely worthless. The jump from Meapak calling hiro's post useless to Meapak encouraging spam, arguing, tunneling, and pro-mafia ideas in general is incredibly illogical. It's also completely dead wrong. On November 16 2011 07:17 hiro protagonist wrote: -__- ill be back in 24 hours Okay, good. On November 16 2011 07:56 hiro protagonist wrote: being loud does not mean your right Meapak. I stand behind everything I said. Just because you say its worthless does not make it so. How am I to start the game then. Troll like everyone else? Im being active and contributing while some players have said next to nothing. "OMG! someone is acting pro town! he must be scum trying to fit in!" This is your logic for lynching me. WAIT WTF I THOUGHT YOU LEFT At any rate, remember how hiro responded to Meapak's accusation that hiro's post was useless? Right, he accused Meapak of writing useless posts. Well, here he suggests that Meapak is throwing around baseless accusations about hiro's post quality. Well, wtf is hiro doing then, if not exactly that? Then he goes and shits himself when trying to make meapak look bad. He accuses meapak of trying to lynch a pro-town player. rofl. On November 16 2011 08:06 hiro protagonist wrote: I want to lynch Meapak. I would love to see more/any posts from Sandroba, Palmar, Wiggles, and WBG but there on my radar too. If you were not voting for me, who would you like to lynch? This is arguably the most telling post that hiro has made the entire game. He says he wants to lynch Meapak, but does not vote him. What kind of townie does that? What kind of townie is afraid to take attention, to take heat for leading a lynch? No townie. Step 5: Conclude! For now since I think hiro is almost certainly scum, let's kill him and then focus our efforts on finding that second guy. Right now there isn't much info, so it could probably be anyone, though if hiro is scum then meapak and prpl are almost definitely not. We need to watch Palmar/Wiggles carefully, IMO. Palmar very rarely posts clearly in the thread, regardless of alignment, though he tends to be lazy scum. He's aware of that, though, so even if he is scum we can't count on it being easy to catch him. I've never played town with wiggles (so if anyone can point me in the right direction on that, that'd be great) but he tends to slip by as scum, I've noticed. People will think he's scummy but then he just won't die, which is weird. For jaybrundage, there are two scum, so we can afford to give him the benefit of the noob doubt and let him live till tomorrow, if he doesn't shape up by then and we think he's scum then we kill him. Lynching a new player on day 1 probably won't lead us anywhere. Step 6: Vote! ##vote hiro protagonist | ||
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On November 16 2011 10:38 Erandorr wrote: I would like to say something about that thing bugs just posted, but since there is a lot of nothing in there i will just focus on the analysis. I will put my thoughts in green I think hiro is looking pretty bad right now but the way WBG argues pissed me off so much that I had to write about it . The worst part is that its a post by post analysis looking to catch scum by slips and ignoring everything else thats going on. I almost have a feeling that he just filters people and then writes his analysis that way . First post of the game. Completely agrees with Palmar when Palmar wasn't even correct. He doesn't even agree with Palmar on why I would make a good lynch. Palmar suggests that I'd make a good lynch on the simple fact that I am difficult to read and that I am a bigger threat to town as scum rather than a benefit as town. Hiro thinks I should be lynched because he doesn't like my aggressiveness. There's a huge difference here. Most telling is the fact that hiro agrees without actually knowing what my scum play looks like. Palmar's vote hinges primarily on the assumption that my scum play is good. But Hiros point is not actually as bad as you make it sound. You are overly agressive and have destroyed games nearly by yourself (XLV comes to mind) Its not about your Scumplay for him it is about your play in general. In fact, you can even smell that hiro reacted in a way that suggests he already knows I'm town. Otherwise, why would he bring up my aggressiveness specifically when I am town on his own accord? because he is not talking about that... Shocking. shut up He says that he's going to take a hard stance on anyone who derails positive discussion, and that good posting involves posts with content. The very post in which this is said has no content. Definition of hypocrisy. This point is debatable. If you are really bad at this game (and hiro never proved differently) its actually possble that this post was made by a townie. That you missed the really scummy parts is kind of funny but I will get to that when I write about Hiro myself What's not so surprising here is that hiro doesn't understand what logic actually is. What's sad is that he thinks Palmar's vote reason was an example of good logic. Now let me ask you. If he actually thinks thats an example of good logic, doesnt that mean you are saying he is dumb. Does being dumb make him scum? Palmar's plan surely stirred discussion. And you're right hiro, it isn't bad, since you were outed by it. So thanks, Palmar. shut up The funniest part of this post is the end. Hiro gets incredibly defensive on prpl and accuses prpl of making useless posts. Once again, hypocrisy. I agree with that one a bit. Okay, so first hiro says he doesn't answer questions about himself that can be read in his posts. Yet, he never actually explained why he was okay with pressuring me, but not okay with actually going one step further and being part of that pressure with a vote. Erandorr's question was perfectly valid, and very telling of hiro's alignment. Scum aren't willing to put their money where their mouth is; they tend to be cautious when cementing their thoughts with a vote. Let's keep this in mind, since it comes into play later. yeah that part is true too Let's also keep this in mind; note how hiro accuses sandro of putting words in his mouth. Remember that. Also what's weird is that he says he wants to hear more from Meapak, who apparently is the only one who has not said anything game relevant. Wtf? What happened to me? Did he just forget about me because Meapak became suspicious of him? what is this retarded shit that you actually just wrote down there? If he was scum and you were town why would he want to ignore another lurker to force attention away from him? The only way this makes sense is if you are actually scum and want to bus your teammate or... he forgot you? Hiro responds to the accusation that his posts are useless with a counter accusation. Let's keep this in mind too. yup thats defensive Okay, you can tell this post is total and utter bullshit just by the fact that he claims he was trying to set a framework for newer players. Newsflash: If anyone actually read the player list for this game, there is only ONE new player. Jaybrundage. Everyone else knows how to play mafia, and this cop out excuse is a total bunch of shit. Nice fail. Thats one point he is adding to make his defence stronger. Hiro is not looking good but this is no way to do an analysis. Alright, remember how I said to keep in mind that hiro accused sandro of putting words in his mouth? Here we see hiro putting words in Meapak's mouth. Once again, blatant hypocrite. Hiro's posts, by all standards, are completely worthless. The jump from Meapak calling hiro's post useless to Meapak encouraging spam, arguing, tunneling, and pro-mafia ideas in general is incredibly illogical. It's also completely dead wrong. Its ultra defensive OMGUS. Scummy but not as harsh as you make it look Okay, good. Wait for it WAIT WTF I THOUGHT YOU LEFT shut up At any rate, remember how hiro responded to Meapak's accusation that hiro's post was useless? Right, he accused Meapak of writing useless posts. Well, here he suggests that Meapak is throwing around baseless accusations about hiro's post quality. Well, wtf is hiro doing then, if not exactly that? Then he goes and shits himself when trying to make meapak look bad. He accuses meapak of trying to lynch a pro-town player. rofl. OMGUS. Hiro is bad at mafia. And you start repeating yourself. Scummy as hell? yeap. Confirmed Scum? Nope. This is arguably the most telling post that hiro has made the entire game. He says he wants to lynch Meapak, but does not vote him. What kind of townie does that? What kind of townie is afraid to take attention, to take heat for leading a lynch? No townie. This pretty much sums it up perfectly. What kind of Mafia player would call not voting for someone you think is supsicius the biggest scumtell a player could make in that situation? WBG. Okay this was just a rant not designed to do anything but convince people not to listen to bugs too much My own analysis will be coming up tomorrow morning its 2:30 AM and I need to get some sleep. Also Sandro Wiggles and Palmar , you guys are actually good at this game so please start doing something of value, yes? Of course calling someone scum and then not voting them is a huge tell. It's a blatant behavioral contradiction. Hiro is pretty scummy as town, sure, but that doesn't excuse him from making scummy posts or doing scummy things. That's about all he's done this game. If you don't want to listen to me, fine, don't lynch hiro. The funniest part about this is that hiro supports pushing a lynch on me to supposedly "correct" my style of play when he doesn't see that he himself plays really bad as town. That's the only downside to lynching hiro; he plays so scummy as town that he might very well be town right now. This is one thing I highlighted in his posts but for some reason forgot to mention. (I highlighted the part where he says it'd be a great idea to pressure me, but didn't comment on it) You can turn almost everything he says back on himself. That's how bad it is. | ||
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On November 16 2011 10:38 Erandorr wrote: I would like to say something about that thing bugs just posted, but since there is a lot of nothing in there i will just focus on the analysis. I will put my thoughts in green I think hiro is looking pretty bad right now but the way WBG argues pissed me off so much that I had to write about it . The worst part is that its a post by post analysis looking to catch scum by slips and ignoring everything else thats going on. I almost have a feeling that he just filters people and then writes his analysis that way . First post of the game. Completely agrees with Palmar when Palmar wasn't even correct. He doesn't even agree with Palmar on why I would make a good lynch. Palmar suggests that I'd make a good lynch on the simple fact that I am difficult to read and that I am a bigger threat to town as scum rather than a benefit as town. Hiro thinks I should be lynched because he doesn't like my aggressiveness. There's a huge difference here. Most telling is the fact that hiro agrees without actually knowing what my scum play looks like. Palmar's vote hinges primarily on the assumption that my scum play is good. But Hiros point is not actually as bad as you make it sound. You are overly agressive and have destroyed games nearly by yourself (XLV comes to mind) Its not about your Scumplay for him it is about your play in general. In fact, you can even smell that hiro reacted in a way that suggests he already knows I'm town. Otherwise, why would he bring up my aggressiveness specifically when I am town on his own accord? because he is not talking about that... Shocking. shut up He says that he's going to take a hard stance on anyone who derails positive discussion, and that good posting involves posts with content. The very post in which this is said has no content. Definition of hypocrisy. This point is debatable. If you are really bad at this game (and hiro never proved differently) its actually possble that this post was made by a townie. That you missed the really scummy parts is kind of funny but I will get to that when I write about Hiro myself What's not so surprising here is that hiro doesn't understand what logic actually is. What's sad is that he thinks Palmar's vote reason was an example of good logic. Now let me ask you. If he actually thinks thats an example of good logic, doesnt that mean you are saying he is dumb. Does being dumb make him scum? Palmar's plan surely stirred discussion. And you're right hiro, it isn't bad, since you were outed by it. So thanks, Palmar. shut up The funniest part of this post is the end. Hiro gets incredibly defensive on prpl and accuses prpl of making useless posts. Once again, hypocrisy. I agree with that one a bit. Okay, so first hiro says he doesn't answer questions about himself that can be read in his posts. Yet, he never actually explained why he was okay with pressuring me, but not okay with actually going one step further and being part of that pressure with a vote. Erandorr's question was perfectly valid, and very telling of hiro's alignment. Scum aren't willing to put their money where their mouth is; they tend to be cautious when cementing their thoughts with a vote. Let's keep this in mind, since it comes into play later. yeah that part is true too Let's also keep this in mind; note how hiro accuses sandro of putting words in his mouth. Remember that. Also what's weird is that he says he wants to hear more from Meapak, who apparently is the only one who has not said anything game relevant. Wtf? What happened to me? Did he just forget about me because Meapak became suspicious of him? what is this retarded shit that you actually just wrote down there? If he was scum and you were town why would he want to ignore another lurker to force attention away from him? The only way this makes sense is if you are actually scum and want to bus your teammate or... he forgot you? Hiro responds to the accusation that his posts are useless with a counter accusation. Let's keep this in mind too. yup thats defensive Okay, you can tell this post is total and utter bullshit just by the fact that he claims he was trying to set a framework for newer players. Newsflash: If anyone actually read the player list for this game, there is only ONE new player. Jaybrundage. Everyone else knows how to play mafia, and this cop out excuse is a total bunch of shit. Nice fail. Thats one point he is adding to make his defence stronger. Hiro is not looking good but this is no way to do an analysis. Alright, remember how I said to keep in mind that hiro accused sandro of putting words in his mouth? Here we see hiro putting words in Meapak's mouth. Once again, blatant hypocrite. Hiro's posts, by all standards, are completely worthless. The jump from Meapak calling hiro's post useless to Meapak encouraging spam, arguing, tunneling, and pro-mafia ideas in general is incredibly illogical. It's also completely dead wrong. Its ultra defensive OMGUS. Scummy but not as harsh as you make it look Okay, good. Wait for it WAIT WTF I THOUGHT YOU LEFT shut up At any rate, remember how hiro responded to Meapak's accusation that hiro's post was useless? Right, he accused Meapak of writing useless posts. Well, here he suggests that Meapak is throwing around baseless accusations about hiro's post quality. Well, wtf is hiro doing then, if not exactly that? Then he goes and shits himself when trying to make meapak look bad. He accuses meapak of trying to lynch a pro-town player. rofl. OMGUS. Hiro is bad at mafia. And you start repeating yourself. Scummy as hell? yeap. Confirmed Scum? Nope. This is arguably the most telling post that hiro has made the entire game. He says he wants to lynch Meapak, but does not vote him. What kind of townie does that? What kind of townie is afraid to take attention, to take heat for leading a lynch? No townie. This pretty much sums it up perfectly. What kind of Mafia player would call not voting for someone you think is supsicius the biggest scumtell a player could make in that situation? WBG. Okay this was just a rant not designed to do anything but convince people not to listen to bugs too much My own analysis will be coming up tomorrow morning its 2:30 AM and I need to get some sleep. Also Sandro Wiggles and Palmar , you guys are actually good at this game so please start doing something of value, yes? also rofl Erandorr really... But Hiros point is not actually as bad as you make it sound. You are overly agressive and have destroyed games nearly by yourself (XLV comes to mind) Its not about your Scumplay for him it is about your play in general. My play is not the issue we're talking about here. You're leading yourself in a circle because you think this revolves around me. It doesn't, people just don't know how to deal with tunneling and aggression. And my point is that for Palmar, he was concerned that my scumplay is good and my townplay is meh-making me hard to read. Hiro pretty much just stopped short of calling me bad, which was not really what Palmar was saying. Although me saying that is probably going to invite Palmar in to call me bad (haha) because he is not talking about that... What is he talking about, if not my aggressiveness as town? rofl... Never once did hiro support pressuring me because I'm scum. I don't agree with that. You don't pressure people because you don't like how they play, unless it's actually really detrimental to town. Aggression isn't detrimental to town. Lurking, lying, and bad logic are, however. Take Palmar, for example. Is his tunneling bad for town? No, it's just most people don't know how to handle it, so they end up thinking he's scum. That's dumb and illogical. I thought so myself in XLIV and I was an idiot. This point is debatable. If you are really bad at this game (and hiro never proved differently) its actually possble that this post was made by a townie. That you missed the really scummy parts is kind of funny but I will get to that when I write about Hiro myself You're defending him cause he's bad. Lol. And no, I didn't miss anything. I wrote quite a bit, in going back and reading it I noticed I still had thoughts I hadn't written. In fact, if I mentioned more you'd probably attack me for it, since that seems to be the flavor of your post. Now let me ask you. If he actually thinks thats an example of good logic, doesnt that mean you are saying he is dumb. Does being dumb make him scum? I never said that. However, using bad logic to support a shitty vote is definitely pro-mafia, because that leads to an easy lynch. Being bad doesn't make someone mafia but pushing a mafia agenda does! Alignment doesn't affect skill level much usually (some exceptions obviously) so I don't imagine hiro would magically appear to be 10 times better than he really is if he was scum. As you say, skill level isn't an indicator of alignment, so saying he's bad therefore he's town is concluding something based on inconclusive evidence. Didn't you learn your lesson from PYP? sinani is bad, but he doesn't play any better when he's scum. Thats one point he is adding to make his defence stronger. Hiro is not looking good but this is no way to do an analysis. Aren't you the one who asked why hiro was being so ultra-defensive? Think about it, how can he be trying to "set up a framework for new players" when there really aren't any new players in this game? It really just sounds like a reason he made up after the fact, when someone called out the uselessness of his post. It's fabricated. It's a lie. He's making up things that aren't true to push attention off himself onto other people. 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On November 16 2011 12:28 hiro protagonist wrote: OK, here are my reads so far: 1.Palmar - null read, nothing to go on really. curious how he will play the last half of day 1. 2.Mr Wiggles- null read. His first post was obviously trying to draw out reactions. both scum and town would can do that so it sheds no alignment. His second post has his reads on everyone one that responded to him. He does not give his opinion on the current lynch target. 3.Wherebugsgo- Ill get to him last... 4.Meapak_Ziphh- leaning Red. Its not anything that he said, more its his overall style in the game so far. He jumps on easy targets AKA both my "generic post" and Wiggle's first post. He undercuts my statement of trying to start things on the right foot by saying its worthless, something that is clearly a mafia agenda IMO. Will be watching. 5.Erandorr- leaning town. Wants to lead town. Im all for it. 6.prplhz- null read. asks me alot of questions, and has done very little else. Could be scum wanting to make me more skittish (which he is btw) last post makes me feel more townie about him. 7.hiro protagonist- townie. says scummy things, but has the right intentions ^_^ 8.jaybrundage- Null His last post is considerably better than those before it. His post are hard to read. Needs to be more clear. Needs to step up. 9.Sandroba- nothing. And now for my vote. and I will place it on WBG. here is why: -Bugs still has the same arrogant aggressive Behavior as every other game hes played. He is wrong most of the time as town, and It has cost the town the game on more than one occasion. -I dont think we should allow someone that can be so obtuse and grating a free pass. -I simply am gonna ignore WBGs for the rest of the game, but that will be easier once he is no longer in it. ##Vote: Wherebugsgo What's interesting is that none of the reasons included "I think he's scum." rofl. | ||
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as long as the current activity level persists, there is no better option. Palmar and sandro both have done next to nothing in the past what...24 hours? Jaybrundage is new, and everyone else doesn't have enough posts. I'd like to hear from wiggles, though. Other than you, meapak, Erandorr, hiro, no one is doing anything. Hiro hasn't said one thing yet that makes sense or furthers the town's agenda and the other three of you look town right now. | ||
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However Palmar, I'm not convinced Erandorr is a viable alternative. If he were scum it doesn't make sense for him to even soft defend hiro after pressuring him, unless they're both scum and he started out bybussing. That doesn't sound reasonable so I'm willing to bet it isn't true. What do you see in Erandorr's play that makes him scummy? | ||
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On November 17 2011 02:11 Palmar wrote: I have three questions, and hopefully you will be able to provide a good and detailed answer to each one. a) What do you think of Wiggles, do you agree he is a good lynch for today? b) What do you think of Meapak, he has very conflicting opinions about him. c) Do you still think Hiro is the best lynch we have today? a.) Yeah I think he's a fine lynch. Like I said earlier, his first post was useless and I don't really agree with his case on Meapak. Erandorr too, but surprisingly some of Wiggles's points are valid, which gives me pause. b) I lean town on Meapak. There isn't anything concrete and I admit there is no real objective reason to believe Meapak is town, but for me I think his behavior has made much more sense from a town perspective than a scum one. He's taken a lot of attention in the thread and he isn't afraid of reiterating his case on hiro repeatedly. I've only played with Meapak once and that was in PYP, which was a PM game, so other than the information we have here there really isn't anything to go on. And by "he has very conflicting opinions on him" do you mean wiggles? c) To be honest with you, I don't know. They're both good lynches. On the one hand, hiro has done nothing pro-town. On the other hand, he doesn't do anything as town either. The thing that is giving me most pause is that both you and sandro think he is town. I made the mistake in PYP of believing the town circle about Foolish, and I'm afraid to do that again here. And again, the other side to this is that I believe other townies for good reasons; I'm not always right and I'm not the best at telling apart bad townies from actual scum. Sandro, for example, is probably much better (IMO) at telling apart bad townies from scum than I am. Of course, if he's scum in this game then this whole argument is worthless and I'm an idiot. For now I'm wary of how easy hiro is getting off from this lynch, and my gut takes preference. My vote stays on hiro. I have a question for you though, Palmar. Do you find it weird, like I do, that neither of these targets has really been defended at all? Other than Erandorr doing some weird shit with my case on hiro and you and sandro thinking hiro is townish there has been no backlash over either of them. | ||
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On November 17 2011 09:13 sandroba wrote: Fuck man, there is not much argument against lynching wiggles. No one is really pushing a second candidate (MZ is pushing hiro, but not too strongly, I would expect him to put a lot more effort into it if he was mafia with wiggles). Jaybrundage is looking real scummy to me and voting wiggles too. =/ damn sandro ninja | ||
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