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okay, i'm going to do this hybrid Eden&Damdred-style even though it's not something i normally do, because i feel like it's the only way i'm going to get anywhere with the genuinely rather limited (don't care about the number of pages; the information itself is blahish) information in the thread right now. Bear with me. Just gonna let this take me where it leads.
On June 19 2015 07:08 Half the Sky wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count boxerfred (8): rsoultin, Fidei86, Damdred, NydusHerMain, Onegu, Mig, ShoCkeyy, GlowingBear GlowingBear (7): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare, boxerfred, Breshke, KelsierSC ShoCkeyy (1): ritoky Not voted (1): Lohengramm Slipping from the ledge, boxerfred has fallen into the abyss.
Day 1 has ended.
First I'm coloring in the players who I consider to be confirmed town. Not going to spend much time on this, but for the sake of having everything in one place...
- If you don't like me calling myself confirmed town, you can suck it ^^
- Fidei is town because he is town.
- Lightningstrike is town by a combination of not being motivated as scum and what I call the "not an asshole" argument linked here
From here I'm going to move on to the players I'm most familiar with. Including Nydus just cause I think he's fairly obvious despite my limited exposure to him. Not including GB cause I want to look at him harder and ignore the tone thing for a bit before I decide if my rebelliousness is justified or not lol
[QUOTE]On June 19 2015 07:08 Half the Sky wrote:
Final Day 1 Vote Count
boxerfred (8): rsoultin, Fidei86, Damdred, NydusHerMain, Onegu, Mig, ShoCkeyy, GlowingBear
GlowingBear (7): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare, boxerfred, Breshke, KelsierSC
ShoCkeyy (1): ritoky
Not voted (1): Lohengramm
KSC has literally one of the most solid filters in the game. Between being part of most everything going on to the way his reads evolve and shape his voting behaviors, right up to the last-minute switch back onto GB and his willingness to entertain other arguments...I find no red flags. Regardless of GB's alignment, it's very unlikely that KSC is scum either attempting to hammer a scummate or trying to be the hammer on a town mislynch. Solid town. My one question to you KSC is what exactly in boxer's final post was it that you liked so much?
Holyflare - lol so...apparently not being able to play like i normally do and only getting snapshots of people's play is really hurting my ability to read the more spammy players like hf. this is not his scum play which is rather lackluster (at least to me) ... sorry! town, obviously
Breshke - interesting beast, bresh. highly introspective/analytical, very inclined to look at things from both sides and therefore slow to form scumreads, but the questions and the pushes are not things he actually replicates too well as scum which is why he's a generally easy catch. also that he keeps pushing at and questioning his scumreads is what i associate with his town game. fairly confident on this one
Damdred - and yet another player i waffled on earlier who i like just fine on a reread of his filter but i really want to see him posting tonight ;o; tone, tone, tone...i know my net hubby! (nah, seriously, it's not the nicest toneread but the yay \o/ caught scum! then the awww why you guys no listen to me :/ thing is just so classic town damdy and before anyone says he can do that as scum, i've never mentioned this before regarding him lol and there's no reason for scum to think of it naturally...emotion is not easy to fake and very easy to overlook)
Nydus - don't know him ^^ still think he's townie, could qualify it but unlike those i know it's nothing terribly specific beyond the usual townready things and his voting behavior aligning with his reads fine
Onegu - town, probably. taking the meta out for a test drive. oneg tends to be bored and not care much about the thread as town, but what he does do often is gets a few reads (based on shit reasons sometimes or very ill-informed ones, but whatevs) and hold onto those so tenaciously it makes you want to beat him with a stick. gb town. he won't vote gb. end of story...as scum i'd expect him to not back himself into a corner that way, as a sidenote...the hedge is again this is a test drive but i think i actually nailed his play decently when looking for a weakness in his meta as scum lol ><
ritoky not as strong a townread as ksc but the vote out in the middle of nowhere that i usually would associate with scum if it's a town v. town at least was consistent with his townreading both gb and bf while trying to get votes on shockey and mig. most of his play this game i've liked. my main reservation is the hard push on ls despite believing he was town cause i just don't get that line of thinking. won't lynch tomorrow unless there's something compelling to convince me otherwise
Lohengramm/Yamato - Not a lot to read on him. He made it clear he was willing to lynch both BF and GB with more of a lean towards BF, yet ultimately voted for neither. It also reads like he's warming up to a GB vote as the thread progresses. Regardless of GB's alignment here, when he could swing the vote enough to actually lynch GB but didn't choose to, it doesn't look good. Plus I've seen this oh suddenly couldn't be here for lynch for X reason from scum before. Ritoky in Down Under, to be exact. Scum lean.
Shockeyy - Don't get his voting behavior at all. While he does say that BF is "weird" and GB is "null", he then completely focuses on GB answering a question of his that has more to do with mafia theory than the game itself in the middle of all the fireworks. I agree with KSC that the whole ANSWER MY QUESTION OR I LYNCH YOU (at least till 10 mins in) is strange >< The question isn't even that important and saying that he'll keep the vote there until 10 mins pretty much negates the pressure in the first place. Then somehow he still thinks BF is more scummy despite GB deciding to vote him with ritoky and KSC? I can't follow the logic at all, regardless of GB's alignment. Prob scum. (not terribly important, but i also can't follow his read flip on me that he says he bolded just so it could be understood???)
Onto the people I'm not sure how to read or just need to look at hard @.@
[QUOTE]On June 19 2015 07:08 Half the Sky wrote:
Final Day 1 Vote Count
boxerfred (8): rsoultin, Fidei86, Damdred, NydusHerMain, Onegu, Mig, ShoCkeyy, GlowingBear
GlowingBear (7): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare, boxerfred, Breshke, KelsierSC
ShoCkeyy (1): ritoky
Not voted (1): Lohengramm
Mig bugs me. The boxer thing is not very alignment indicative, honestly, at least not the way Mig expresses it. Oh the person who says he has no time comes in to vote counterwagon to save himself then says nothing...must be scummier than the scumread I entered the thread with and have been scumreading all the way up to this point! No sense no sense no sense. Rit I think you were right I'm sorry lol >< Prob scum.
WBG i'm just going to go with my gut on and stop letting y'all distract me by saying he's good when I'm instead seeing a lot of...i've decided so-and-so is scum and i have to argue with everything cause it's in my blood...going on. Maybe that works for him. I still think coming into the thread highlighting players who are not under scrutiny is most likely town-motivated. Plus, GB town there's no reason to be this invested as scum, and GB scum even less reason to be invested in getting him lynched. Townlean almost full townread.
VA null. I dunnae. I don't know that I will know. Blah. He ends up in my PoE list by default, though lol ><
GB...tone says town. I stand by that meta/tone thing...yet I'm clearly missing scum somewhere in one of my townreads and he's the most contested one  Also every single one of my other scumreads/leans/null reads could easily be scum with him (or not with him) except VA probably. Which means his alignment is probably the key to the whole thing. I will look at the scumreads on him in depth but probably not before the night phase is over cause 2 a.m. and school tomorrow @.@
TLDR;
would lynch in order: Shockeyy, Mig, Lohengramm, VA
need to review in-depth: GB, rit
(also kinda bugs me i ended up with people posting some of the least lol >< but whatever)
i'll stick around for a few more minutes but i need sleep
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god i hate messing up coding lol
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On June 19 2015 15:34 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 15:24 Breshke wrote:On June 19 2015 14:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I've revisited my case on Breshke and it has good logic but it's weak. I admit it.
Yet I have two problems with you Breshke, that I would like to understand:
1) You called me town on a game I was scum. You called me town again here. What is different from that game that made you feel comfotable enough on early game?
2) You only started being aggressive when LS blue claimed. Yet, last game you've cast your vote on me very fast to apply pressure. Can you explain to me why your gameplay is differing from that game? Why you only started scum hunting after like the first 3 quarters of day1? I didn't consider your play last game when reading you this game. Was I applying that much pressure last game? I seem to remember I kind of just voted you and piggy backed off of WBG's push. But yeah I find it easier to be more forceful in threads where there isnt as many experienced players. If you look at like any of the newbie games ive played in I think I play more aggressive/involved there. You voted more easily last game and you clearly showed what you did dislike there. I've seen you defending or at least deflecting pressures much more in this game than in that one. About number (1), I didn't actually implied that you should be comparing those games. But if you called me town there and I was scum, shouldn't you be more paranoid/cautious before giving me a town read?
When you say I have deflected pressure do you mean on myself or on others? Where have I done this? It also comes under the same thing that I felt more comfortable doing that last game there nothing else i can tell you about that.
Also yeah i know what you are trying to say but yeah I havn't been comparing you at all but I did think your early play was really townie. Like i could follow your reads so easily and it felt natural. So I was fine with townreading you then.
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eh don't really blame y'all...wasn't as exciting as i'd hoped it would be either lol
i'm out. nite folks
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I agree with you on like everything except the following.
Fidel - cos ya know
I probably think ritoky is more townie than you do because I understand his viewpoint when he wanted to lynch LS even though he thought LS might be town. It was more of a "town won't get past this if everyone doesn't agree he is town" kind of thing. Also iirc he was the first person to ping out mig and it was a really good pickup since I still think mig is scummy.
Obviously still disagree on GB and if you look at the votes like where all your town are it looks fairly bad. Maybe VA is mafia he is a coinflip but if he isn't I really think the GB wagon is all town and while it could happen with town GB i don't see why it would have.
I also have the filthiest of wifom on why yamato and GB could be mafia together but it's fairly bad so its kinda a meh thing and shouldn't/probably wouldn't change anyones read.
My lynch order is actually the same as yours except with Gb at the front.
I also really like your like non read yet town on nydus because i think im picking up on the same stuff
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On June 19 2015 16:11 Breshke wrote:
I agree with you on like everything except the following.
Fidel - cos ya know
I probably think ritoky is more townie than you do because I understand his viewpoint when he wanted to lynch LS even though he thought LS might be town. It was more of a "town won't get past this if everyone doesn't agree he is town" kind of thing. Also iirc he was the first person to ping out mig and it was a really good pickup since I still think mig is scummy.
Obviously still disagree on GB and if you look at the votes like where all your town are it looks fairly bad. Maybe VA is mafia he is a coinflip but if he isn't I really think the GB wagon is all town and while it could happen with town GB i don't see why it would have.
I also have the filthiest of wifom on why yamato and GB could be mafia together but it's fairly bad so its kinda a meh thing and shouldn't/probably wouldn't change anyones read.
My lynch order is actually the same as yours except with Gb at the front.
I also really like your like non read yet town on nydus because i think im picking up on the same stuff
yeah honestly...i left gb for last specifically cause i wanted to see where everything else fell
and frankly scum mig pretty much completely clears rit so i should def rate him higher probably anyway
it bugs me cause i really, really don't think scum gb can play this way but everything else is pointing toward his being scum so i have to have a better reason than just tone and i don't right now @.@ anyway...that will be my main purpose d2, really combing over gb
any blue actions into those tldr lists would be fine by me, frankly, though you prob can remove rit lol from that and yeah that would be perfect
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Late death post guys, but gg! Also, i passed my exam. 
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Well done bud! Sorry about the ml :-(
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So we are lynching LS tomorrow right?
Like this is scummy now not just bad. Why take back his claim at night when as blue he could be a doubtful but possible mafia shot.
So he gets a bit of pressure and tries to play to his town meta by claiming. But then retracts it at night for no reason. Why because his scummates are like once blues start flipping you are going to be obv scum LS.
So we lynch LS for being scummy, and for being shit tier.
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read my linked post in that reads monstrosity that heads the page
then don't make me kick you in the face (virtually), oneg
i get you don't read the whole game but at least read that
bueno
eh i slept
i want to add bugs to my poe possible scum list
like he pushed ls and bm in the game he did well in yeah? both rather low post volume players normally especially as scum
here with a bunch of early question marks he comes after me for reasons that even the most superficial meta research (and despite being told multiple times his points are not alignment indicative for me) would make it clear that case is bullocks...i'm a high volume, easily townread player even by most players brand new to me
like i get not getting my style to an extent but then there's ksc. who despite not being one of my comfy best-known players is so obviously townie every time you open his filter it's painful. like i literally find it mind-boggling anyone could scumread him over everyone else in the thread that makes no sense to me, especially if bugs is supposedly so good
and if gb isn't scum (and i really just can't shake this sense he's town here guys) that makes 3 pushes on very active, high post volume town players while ignoring the regular cast of scummier players entirely it seems
i have a lot of trouble reconciling this with the "bugs is good" thing people keep telling me
rit may also have something on a connection between him and shock
anyway, i'm out, last thought prob before eon unless i suddenly waffle on someone else lol
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so this is where i'm at:
shock, mig, and either (gb, yama) or (bugs,va)
with gb still being the key to everything in my mind
and hopefully i'm not being a dolt and townreading scum somewhere @.@
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So like it would make perfect sense for BM to confirm to play, see he rolled mafia with GB then just abort because of last game. This was the wifom thing i was talking about before.
Also rso you keep saying people keep telling you bugs is good and this is nitpicky as fuck but im fairly sure only LS has done that so I don't see why you keep harping on about it.
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again dont care if he is town either, want to lynch LS
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Bugs keeps telling us he's good and he was the driving force behind both scum lynches in witch as I understand it?
So yes overall impression and unless you don't think he's good or thinks going after the players he did makes sense brush that is nitpicky as fuck XP
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Damn autocorrect bresh not brush
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Lol that wifom is possible actually...I remember gb complaining about bm to me something awful when it was going down
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On June 19 2015 23:04 rsoultin wrote:
Bugs keeps telling us he's good and he was the driving force behind both scum lynches in witch as I understand it?
So yes overall impression and unless you don't think he's good or thinks going after the players he did makes sense brush that is nitpicky as fuck XP
I think a lot of players are good rsoul i don't really get your point but that's might be because it is late. I'm just failing to udnesatdn where bugs saying he is good or other people saying bugs is good comes into your read.
Like you arn't seeing this "good" play so you think he is scum?
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On June 19 2015 23:08 rsoultin wrote:
Lol that wifom is possible actually...I remember gb complaining about bm to me something awful when it was going down
Yeah it is possible but it is also not possible like i don't think it should affect anyones read but I felt like it needed to be out there
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On June 19 2015 23:04 Onegu wrote:
again dont care if he is town either, want to lynch LS
Try to pretend you're human and stop being a dick
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EPT
