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/in
I assume it'll start after today. Today I have my final two finals. (GOD I'M SCARED)
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Just /in Radfield!
You too sexy not to play this game.
Also 1st 3 hour exam=done. Now to my second 3 hour exam rofl
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On December 17 2011 05:35 Curu wrote:Wait so Mig is banned but Mig is also invited, can Mig play here? + Show Spoiler +
lol wut he never sat out the ban?
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On December 18 2011 14:09 bumatlarge wrote:
I think I can handle that. WARNING FOR THE FIRST DAY OR SO I MAY NOT BE MIND BLOWINGLY ACTIVE, BECAUSE I SLEEP 8 HOURS AND WORK 10 HOURS UNTIL CHRISTMAS.
you be my day 1 policy lynch, scumatlarge.
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On December 19 2011 05:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
LAL, you're really an Archon.
Too easy.
no that's me when I go 30-0-20 as Veigar with every buff imaginable
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Yo RoL go eat a hotdog.
Game starts tonight you neeb
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Where's Ace? He should play in place of Meapak, since Meapak can't
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On December 20 2011 11:05 Chezinu wrote:
So... Anyone want to speculate what this game will be like? I'm tired of F5ing
You will have the responsibility to create a house.
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Dibs on the hosting duties
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alright, ima a bit drunkl and tired but im tfoo dam exited to start this game so im posing thjs from my phone before i go to sleep
i want too hear from veryone about lchezinu, prplhz and dumatlarge. mostly the last two bc they obviously started out reallyyy badly with that random vote trash...let's RNG by picking the one player who is a hydra! cause thats definitely random right...
also id really appreciate it if someone van tell me who L is and how he plays. i heard hes good but i love meta so someone pile it on! lsb too i played withhim in zones game but he got ai k or something and didnt do anything. how sad.
other than that i think i know almost everyone here? i heard chez is wack and he has proven it already! yippy. i honestly laughed like 5 time web i tried reading his last post an nlne of it made aense to me roclll
it was like looking into the mind of a loony or something hahaha.so trippay. loony or scum idk yet but jes funny as fuck
yea so it's like 4 am ima pass put now before i wake up and my head explodes maybe you euros can discuss while i do the sleepy?
pc all and have a good night
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Alright...first thing's first, I have to apologize for the drunk post. That was...lol. TBH though it is incredibly funny to be drunk and then read Chezinu's posting and say aloud "HAHAHAHA HE SAYS HE'S BROWN HAHAHA" over and over again. Brain = mush after a half dozen shots of vodka and 151. That's all I really remember of the post though. Now I had some pho and luckily no hangover.
Also I have no school :D :D :D
Anyway, on to business.
LSB smells like scum.
The themes here are thinly-veiled, completely unoriginal "contributions" and accidental slips of knowledge only scum would have.
On December 21 2011 01:52 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 20 2011 14:17 SamuelLJackson wrote:On December 20 2011 14:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
I tried to get a straight answer from Ace about this in the game I played with him, but he was...not willing to play with me. What good does an RNG vote do for town? Honestly, if we all decide that's how we start off, no one is going to be dumb enough to try and derail the lynch if it happens to land on scum, so really, what information can possibly be gained? I'm serious, this has been bugging me ever since that game because he flipped town and I don't understand the motivation. It's essentially the same start to the game as the random voting stage that takes place on mafiascum (you play there don't you?). It's something to kick the game off and generate discussion. bum your first post is beyond bad. You're deciding that we should be the subject of any impasse in votes with justification which is the exact opposite of RNG (while still trying to disguise it as RNG). I hope you put more thought and logic into your next posts. I get RVS, but the results wouldn't be "random" because it would involve trusting a "random" member of town to produce "unbiased random" results, which is not possible. And on MafiaScum, the votes in RVS are rarely "random", that's a pretty common misnomer over there. Anyway, I don't condone it. I can't get past the 'no information' aspect of RNG voting D1. Why in the world are we discussing day 1 RNG? It has never happened and never will happen -.-
Congratulations, you've now said something about every single other player has said already.
If you don't want the discussion to be about RNG, don't bring it up. Just ignore that trash and focus on what's actually relevant; finding scum. You as town would know this, especially if you are good (and I think you know you're good, since pre-game you said you hope you wouldn't get shot)
On December 21 2011 01:52 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 19:15 Chezinu wrote:On December 20 2011 19:04 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Yes it is.
Chezinu played just fine as Town in Personality, enough to make him a night 1 shot. IIRC he was playing fine in Closed Casket as Town as well.
The one game I remember him nonstop trolling and posting nothing but nonsense was LSB's game where he was 3rd party SK and claimed it day 1. Yeah it's early in day 1 and most people haven't even posted yet which is why I said if this is just some random nonsensical idea from him as Town then the onus is on him to start actually playing the game. Listen Jack, Town doesn't know the roles. Mafia does. What does this mean? If you have a crazy role to play, the mafia knows this. The town doesn't. However! There are some black roles out there and quite a few.. them mafia don't know about them except for that traitor other there. Here we are day 1 and it is so dark you might as well call it night and its going to be a long night for many of us are going to die. It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches. Just knowing the roles doesn't mean anything. I can tell you there is probably a cop, doc, sk, vig, ect ect. What does that help you with? Night actions I guess. There is a big difference between knowing who has who's role, and just knowing the list of roles. For example, if we knew that there was a traitor, we wouldn't do much. However if we knew that Chez was the traitor, that would be an easy day 1 lynch.
Logically, this sounds okay, particularly the second part about how if we know that Chezinu is traitor, we could lynch him.
However, check out the highlighted thing he finds probable; SK.
How do you know there is "probably" an SK LSB? Sure, I suppose if you assume this is a standardish game you might reasonably be able to get away with saying there's a cop, a doc, and a vig. But an SK? That's fishy as hell.
Now it might be true that we probably can't do much with just the information that a traitor exists. But if we know an SK exists, that's huge.
Indeed, this is the one role that you DEFINITELY would like to know merely about the existence of. There's a massive difference between knowing there's an SK and knowing there isn't. That knowledge is powerful in the hands of town because we know that we can potentially pit scum and SK against each other, or that we have an extra scum to look for, basically.
You wouldn't suggest that an SK is probable unless you already had that information.
On December 21 2011 01:52 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 21:39 GMarshal wrote:quote fail. Lets try again On December 20 2011 18:59 L wrote:
RE: The hydra
I have no idea what/who this is, but I think I happened across it twice reading the thread. Is this someone's nickname? I haven't kept up with the last few (months of) games, so hook a brother up.
A hydra is an account shared by two players, in this case SamuelLJackson shared by Curu and Sandroba. They are, of course the ideal target for a day one lynch! As they have the issue of being extremely difficult to read, because of the two heads. ##Vote: SamuelLJackson Also, as much as I love Chezinu, is anyone up for either policy lynching him or teaching me how the hell you get a grasp on his alignment? I enjoy his insanity, but its hardly conducive to figuring out his alignment. I swear I played with normal Chez once, but then again he was mafia that time... iirc. Not like that helps make the decision. I'll put him under the category of "hard to read". Lynching someone who is hard to read is a bad idea because 1) it is a useless lynch so we don't get that much discussion / information. 2) hard to read =/= mafia. Actually it probably means useless town. I'll just wait for chez to regain his sanity
WHOA
Of course it helps with the decision! You can compare his play as scum from then to here, and see if the meta matches.
What really bothers me about this is the way LSB phrased this sentence. "Chez was mafia that game, that doesn't help here." Wait what? You know he's not mafia this game?
Only scum know for sure who is and isn't scum, and this statement is basically a slip saying "I think Chezinu is unreadable, but here's this one time I played with him when he was scum....but it's not helpful here because he's not scum here."
Last thing of note is his relative timidity with respect to actually taking a stand about something. In addition, he repeatedly "misunderstands" people. This is something I've noticed is common among better scum players:
Basically, he repeatedly looks for disagreement or probes to find clarification that he can perhaps use against another player.
Look at these posts:
On December 21 2011 01:57 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 22:55 bumatlarge wrote:A post I feel displays scummy instigation - On December 20 2011 15:31 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Chezinu I wanna ask you something.
How would you feel about lynching the Traitor day 1? Things to note: Speaking directly to an individual in a single post. Nearly forces some kind of a response. Also, implications of something else. I see no reference to what you are trying to do here. If you are pushing a cheznu lynch, then do it, and take the responsibility. Once you gain responsibility, I feel you gain the right to force other to make others do so as well. This could technically avoid triggers in the game if you word it improperly, or should I say properly? That leads me into the next method. 1) This speculates on word triggers. Are they actually in the game? We have no idea, and even if there are any, it doesn't necessarily mean the person is mafia. 2) What's wrong with talking to one specific person... Show nested quote +Avoidance: Purposefully with-holding aspects you would normally include in your posts to decrease chances of effects. Making as little interaction with the mechanic as you can. Again, it's neutral, a strong townie or strong blue can have just as much reason to stay alive as scum. Straying from your habits can be the best way to practice avoidance. Avoidance post: On December 20 2011 15:30 L wrote:
Alright, straight off the bat people are saying that we need good posts.
No shit.
Not only is the concept of the game surrounding the idea that poor play will be punished, but there's also the notion that we've got relatively few players. in the game. 5 to 15 or so. This means that best case scenario, we can win day 5 through lynches alone, but that's a rather long timeframe to close out a game. So poor play seems to be some form of game accelerant, and the 'poorer' the play, the less in our favor it seems to be.
So! What do we do? Post with content and condense your points. Keep your short posts to yourself and clump them up to make substantive comments. I'd say that posts between 6 and 15 lines are large enough to be substantive, but short enough to be read. But that shit is obvious. There's a bigger question here, however, which is what we're going to do with the first vote.
RNG is probably the worst possible idea; gives us next to zero information regarding how people argue and its practically an excuse for people to not post anything because there's no element of responsibility attached to it. Either way, we're going to want ideas down on the table asap. And not like dicks, either. Cut it out bum/prplhz. Things to note: L's personality is often abrasive but he gets the job done. I feel he's put in effort into to make this post different from an opening post he would make in an open set-up. He does mention interesting tid-bits that I feel we should discuss, and if it must be through me rather then L, I will take that responsibility for him. Responsibility is an accelerant in the same way power roles are accelerant. It's just that regular townies have sway. I think L brings up a good point here and I would like if he expounds on it. He also makes a good point on RNG preventing sources of responsibility. I definitely agree, but to what point can we rely that all responsibility held will benefit town? I think further speculation on that is useless without information, so this made me think that responsibility is a method in and of itself a way to garner information. Thanks for making me realize this L. I'd definitely disagree with palmar's claim that L's first post is "bad". I think a proper term is "hindered". Won't argue with you here. I agree the post doesn't say much Show nested quote +
So that gives us method number three...
Responsi-Probe: Purposefully lining your posts with the intention to trigger effects. I have been doing this in every one of my posts, initially with the notion that there must be protective and investigative roles that have requirements, so I'm willing to make myself an option, while also drawing some unfriendly fire. I'm not claiming anything, just that there are a lot of vets to take inito account, so I would have no issue being the target of a mafia ability if it would have been another town player. With L's post, I also realized that putting myself out there and tripping wires, I might be able to gain whatever little information I can through whatever Ver reveals. Someone should take a hefty amount of responsibility so we can learn something. A noble cause in my book.
For the lynch, I'm going to vote the hydra. No, it isn't RNG, it's his use of instigation with-out much follow up. Chezinu's style is not unknown, and I have no reason to think he's claiming anything. You are shoving words in his mouth, and I don't completely know the reasoning. You are attempting to open him up to take responsibility and your explanations are not sufficient. Let chezinu decide how much responsibility he will take.
##Vote: SamuelLJackson
Again.... what's up with you and triggers.... Just because someone has a trigger doesn't mean they are mafia.
On December 21 2011 02:00 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 01:53 syllogism wrote:
That is incorrect; for instance information roles have to role claim because the lack of role flips prevents us from just going through their post history in order to figure out their investigation results and such. Indeed the threat of night kill might make claiming relatively early worth considering, even if you only have town results. Similarly if a medic protects someone and gets lynched without claiming the protection, mafia can later on gamble and claim the protection. The latter is a bit far fetched scenario, but a strict no claiming strategy is not good. Actually another advantage is that it will be easier later on to determine whether certain claims make sense in terms of balance. So you are saying we should all role claim right now?
On December 21 2011 02:23 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 02:02 syllogism wrote:On December 21 2011 02:00 LSB wrote:On December 21 2011 01:53 syllogism wrote:
That is incorrect; for instance information roles have to role claim because the lack of role flips prevents us from just going through their post history in order to figure out their investigation results and such. Indeed the threat of night kill might make claiming relatively early worth considering, even if you only have town results. Similarly if a medic protects someone and gets lynched without claiming the protection, mafia can later on gamble and claim the protection. The latter is a bit far fetched scenario, but a strict no claiming strategy is not good. Actually another advantage is that it will be easier later on to determine whether certain claims make sense in terms of balance. So you are saying we should all role claim right now? No, are you saying you can't read? I'm very confused. When you are saying Is it in response to this statement? Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 01:52 LSB wrote:On December 20 2011 19:15 Chezinu wrote:On December 20 2011 19:04 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Yes it is.
Chezinu played just fine as Town in Personality, enough to make him a night 1 shot. IIRC he was playing fine in Closed Casket as Town as well.
The one game I remember him nonstop trolling and posting nothing but nonsense was LSB's game where he was 3rd party SK and claimed it day 1. Yeah it's early in day 1 and most people haven't even posted yet which is why I said if this is just some random nonsensical idea from him as Town then the onus is on him to start actually playing the game. Listen Jack, Town doesn't know the roles. Mafia does. What does this mean? If you have a crazy role to play, the mafia knows this. The town doesn't. However! There are some black roles out there and quite a few.. them mafia don't know about them except for that traitor other there. Here we are day 1 and it is so dark you might as well call it night and its going to be a long night for many of us are going to die. It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches. Just knowing the roles doesn't mean anything. I can tell you there is probably a cop, doc, sk, vig, ect ect. What does that help you with? Night actions I guess. There is a big difference between knowing who has who's role, and just knowing the list of roles. For example, if we knew that there was a traitor, we wouldn't do much. However if we knew that Chez was the traitor, that would be an easy day 1 lynch. If not, what statement is it in response to? If it is, are you defending chez's statement that people should straight out claim right now? Or are you introducing an obvious yet irrelevant point?
On December 21 2011 02:35 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 02:32 Chezinu wrote:On December 21 2011 02:23 LSB wrote:
chez's statement that people should straight out claim right now uhh where did you see that? Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 19:15 Chezinu wrote:On December 20 2011 19:04 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Yes it is.
Chezinu played just fine as Town in Personality, enough to make him a night 1 shot. IIRC he was playing fine in Closed Casket as Town as well.
The one game I remember him nonstop trolling and posting nothing but nonsense was LSB's game where he was 3rd party SK and claimed it day 1. Yeah it's early in day 1 and most people haven't even posted yet which is why I said if this is just some random nonsensical idea from him as Town then the onus is on him to start actually playing the game. Listen Jack, Town doesn't know the roles. Mafia does. What does this mean? If you have a crazy role to play, the mafia knows this. The town doesn't. However! There are some black roles out there and quite a few.. them mafia don't know about them except for that traitor other there. Here we are day 1 and it is so dark you might as well call it night and its going to be a long night for many of us are going to die. It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches. Whatever you are trying to say here. I'm still trying to understand your posts and what you are getting at
Notice how in most of these posts, LSB attempts to "clarify" something and claims misunderstanding. In some of the circumstances, this is actually comical because some of the inferences LSB makes are ludicrous.
LSB asks if syllogism suggests we should all roleclaim right now. The obvious answer is no, no one in their right mind would suggest a mass roleclaim day 1, and I don't think syllo is the type of crazy player to be suggesting that. So then why ask a question you already know the answer to?
Perhaps to undermine that person later with a false assertion that they wanted a mass roleclaim day 1? That sounds pretty scummy!
Later LSB does something similar with what Chezinu said. He makes a statement that clearly shows either intentional misunderstanding or probing for future mistakes, by suggesting Chezinu was saying that people should be roleclaiming.
I don't think that was what Chezinu was doing. I really don't see how that last paragraph LSB quoted from Chezinu could be
anything but a warning about the setup, not a call for people to be claiming, as Chezinu says "claiming is bound to come up," not that it is bound to come up now.
As he is a very good town player, I doubt LSB missed something I didn't, especially four consecutive times with two different players.
##vote LSB
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On December 21 2011 08:34 Foolishness wrote:
List of people who have made a post that's a giant wall of text:
wherebugsgo
bumatlarge
Ver
L
what do you think of LSB, Foolishness?
Same question to everyone else, but particularly Palmar.
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On December 21 2011 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote:Re: LSB Has very few posts. I disagree with your assessment that Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 01:52 LSB wrote:
Just knowing the roles doesn't mean anything.
I can tell you there is probably a cop, doc, sk, vig, ect ect. What does that help you with? Night actions I guess.
There is a big difference between knowing who has who's role, and just knowing the list of roles. For example, if we knew that there was a traitor, we wouldn't do much. However if we knew that Chez was the traitor, that would be an easy day 1 lynch.
...indicates hidden knowledge - SK is a fairly common Normal role, there's no reason to assume that it would be excluded in a closed setup. Further, there's no reason to assume that scum would have been alerted to the presence of a SK. Further still, there's no reason to assume that a good player like LSB would slip the knowledge IF he were scum and IF they were given the knowledge of a possible existing SK. It feels like reaching. I also don't like your point about him not understanding players being indicative of his alignment. Like, why? One of the players in question is Chezinu, and I'm totally with him on not understanding Chezinu's stylie. In general, I've got LSB hovering around the 'null' category pending further posts.
He basically said he played with Chezinu as scum before, and that it doesn't matter here.
Why does it not matter? Meta always matters. If LSB played with Chezinu before, why would he say that it doesn't matter unless he already knows what Chezinu is? He could've compared Chezinu's play from before to his play so far this game. I have never played with Chezinu before, but I certainly would have done that in his place. LSB instead chose not to comment on Chezinu at all, instead saying his play is confusing. Which is, quite frankly, stupidly obvious.
Finally, I have played two games out of 10 or so that had an SK in it. It's not that common. You also don't get "probably" from the OP saying there may be an SK. "Probably" is an assertion that there is more likely to be an SK than not, and no one has access to that information except the host and possibly scum.
Also, slips aren't intentional, so the quality of the player doesn't matter. Sure, better players are less likely to slip, but that doesn't mean that they don't slip at all.
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yeah, you have a valid point that since he listed cop+medic that he possibly just felt listing SK was fine.
The problem is the other things give me pause. Cop+medic are far more common than SK, since they're in practically every game, so it's weird to see, at least for me, SK to be listed with them. Alone, that part is useless. However, mafia isn't about picking single things, it's about fitting lots of things together. That was just one thing that I saw that was weird.
Also, the bigger concern with LSB being good is that he made inferences that make no sense in the context of the posts he quoted. If anyone were to actually read syllo's or Chezinu's posts you would see that there is nothing in there about mass roleclaiming, or the suggestion that people do it.
In fact, let's see if I'm right by asking Chez.
Chezinu, can you clarify this:
On December 20 2011 19:15 Chezinu wrote:
It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches.
I made the assumption that you were just warning people about roleclaims.
LSB took this as calling for roleclaims.
Do we see the problem here? What were you saying, Chezinu?
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oops that was aimed at VE, I started writing before everyone else posted.
On December 21 2011 09:52 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 09:52 LSB wrote:Again.... what's up with you and triggers.... Just because someone has a trigger doesn't mean they are mafia. That section in particular makes a statement about triggers, and in particular says that town has triggers in an affirmative manner. You state this directly. The odd thing is that your post is structured to make it look like speculation, but you made an affirmative statement. This wasn't "Its possible that town has triggers too" it was "town has triggers too". ... Read the post again, it doesn't say that at all. It just says you guys should stop speculation, which is what you are doing right now Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 05:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 21 2011 01:52 LSB wrote:On December 20 2011 19:15 Chezinu wrote:On December 20 2011 19:04 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Yes it is.
Chezinu played just fine as Town in Personality, enough to make him a night 1 shot. IIRC he was playing fine in Closed Casket as Town as well.
The one game I remember him nonstop trolling and posting nothing but nonsense was LSB's game where he was 3rd party SK and claimed it day 1. Yeah it's early in day 1 and most people haven't even posted yet which is why I said if this is just some random nonsensical idea from him as Town then the onus is on him to start actually playing the game. Listen Jack, Town doesn't know the roles. Mafia does. What does this mean? If you have a crazy role to play, the mafia knows this. The town doesn't. However! There are some black roles out there and quite a few.. them mafia don't know about them except for that traitor other there. Here we are day 1 and it is so dark you might as well call it night and its going to be a long night for many of us are going to die. It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches. Just knowing the roles doesn't mean anything. I can tell you there is probably a cop, doc, sk, vig, ect ect. What does that help you with? Night actions I guess. There is a big difference between knowing who has who's role, and just knowing the list of roles. For example, if we knew that there was a traitor, we wouldn't do much. However if we knew that Chez was the traitor, that would be an easy day 1 lynch. Logically, this sounds okay, particularly the second part about how if we know that Chezinu is traitor, we could lynch him. However, check out the highlighted thing he finds probable; SK. How do you know there is "probably" an SK LSB? Sure, I suppose if you assume this is a standardish game you might reasonably be able to get away with saying there's a cop, a doc, and a vig. But an SK? That's fishy as hell. Now it might be true that we probably can't do much with just the information that a traitor exists. But if we know an SK exists, that's huge. Indeed, this is the one role that you DEFINITELY would like to know merely about the existence of. There's a massive difference between knowing there's an SK and knowing there isn't. That knowledge is powerful in the hands of town because we know that we can potentially pit scum and SK against each other, or that we have an extra scum to look for, basically. You wouldn't suggest that an SK is probable unless you already had that information. ... Read the OP, Ver phrased it in a way that makes it seem like there is an SK... This is new information that I guarantee you that no one else has said before. See? I don't rehash what people say Show nested quote +
Notice how in most of these posts, LSB attempts to "clarify" something and claims misunderstanding. In some of the circumstances, this is actually comical because some of the inferences LSB makes are ludicrous.
LSB asks if syllogism suggests we should all roleclaim right now. The obvious answer is no, no one in their right mind would suggest a mass roleclaim day 1, and I don't think syllo is the type of crazy player to be suggesting that. So then why ask a question you already know the answer to?
Perhaps to undermine that person later with a false assertion that they wanted a mass roleclaim day 1? That sounds pretty scummy!
Later LSB does something similar with what Chezinu said. He makes a statement that clearly shows either intentional misunderstanding or probing for future mistakes, by suggesting Chezinu was saying that people should be roleclaiming.
Syllogism is understandable, I thought he was responding to me. As for Chez's, I was asking for clarification on my interpretation of his post. I'll link the post here + Show Spoiler +Town doesn't know the roles. Mafia does. What does this mean? If you have a crazy role to play, the mafia knows this. The town doesn't. However! There are some black roles out there and quite a few.. them mafia don't know about them except for that traitor other there. Here we are day 1 and it is so dark you might as well call it night and its going to be a long night for many of us are going to die.
It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches. one thing that people misunderstand about Chez is that they don't believe that he makes real statements. That is not the case. What Chez does is make things more obscure than normal. Naturally, I asked for clarification. In fact I was not the only one confused Show nested quote +I don't think that was what Chezinu was doing. I really don't see how that last paragraph LSB quoted from Chezinu could be
anything but a warning about the setup, not a call for people to be claiming, as Chezinu says "claiming is bound to come up," not that it is bound to come up now.
As he is a very good town player, I doubt LSB missed something I didn't, especially four consecutive times with two different players. If you don't understand what Chez's saying, wouldn't you ask for clarification? That's what I did. Are you saying that asking for clarification is a bad thing?
Okay, this post raises some more problems for me with LSB.
First of all, you warn people not to speculate, but in the next line you speculate that there is probably an SK based on something Ver said in the OP.
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also, it wasn't really new information since it was listed in the OP to begin with. That's like being the first to say "There are definitely four scum" and claiming you added new information to the game just because you were the first to do it.
Lastly, my problem wasn't with you asking for clarifications. It was this unbased assumption about what Chezinu was saying:
On December 21 2011 02:23 LSB wrote:
If it is, are you defending chez's statement that people should straight out claim right now? Or are you introducing an obvious yet irrelevant point?
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On December 21 2011 10:03 LSB wrote:
Sure it's the longest post in the thread, but I don't understand why a post saying "LSB said there is probably an SK, HE IS SK KILL HIM" is the best post in the thread.
Really? This is what I said?
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On December 21 2011 10:09 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 10:05 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 21 2011 10:03 LSB wrote:
Sure it's the longest post in the thread, but I don't understand why a post saying "LSB said there is probably an SK, HE IS SK KILL HIM" is the best post in the thread.
Here, don't try to say this is a misunderstanding. Really? This is what I said? Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 05:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 21 2011 01:52 LSB wrote:On December 20 2011 19:15 Chezinu wrote:On December 20 2011 19:04 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Yes it is.
Chezinu played just fine as Town in Personality, enough to make him a night 1 shot. IIRC he was playing fine in Closed Casket as Town as well.
The one game I remember him nonstop trolling and posting nothing but nonsense was LSB's game where he was 3rd party SK and claimed it day 1. Yeah it's early in day 1 and most people haven't even posted yet which is why I said if this is just some random nonsensical idea from him as Town then the onus is on him to start actually playing the game. Listen Jack, Town doesn't know the roles. Mafia does. What does this mean? If you have a crazy role to play, the mafia knows this. The town doesn't. However! There are some black roles out there and quite a few.. them mafia don't know about them except for that traitor other there. Here we are day 1 and it is so dark you might as well call it night and its going to be a long night for many of us are going to die. It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches. Just knowing the roles doesn't mean anything. I can tell you there is probably a cop, doc, sk, vig, ect ect. What does that help you with? Night actions I guess. There is a big difference between knowing who has who's role, and just knowing the list of roles. For example, if we knew that there was a traitor, we wouldn't do much. However if we knew that Chez was the traitor, that would be an easy day 1 lynch. Logically, this sounds okay, particularly the second part about how if we know that Chezinu is traitor, we could lynch him. However, check out the highlighted thing he finds probable; SK. How do you know there is "probably" an SK LSB? Sure, I suppose if you assume this is a standardish game you might reasonably be able to get away with saying there's a cop, a doc, and a vig. But an SK? That's fishy as hell. Now it might be true that we probably can't do much with just the information that a traitor exists. But if we know an SK exists, that's huge. Indeed, this is the one role that you DEFINITELY would like to know merely about the existence of. There's a massive difference between knowing there's an SK and knowing there isn't. That knowledge is powerful in the hands of town because we know that we can potentially pit scum and SK against each other, or that we have an extra scum to look for, basically. You wouldn't suggest that an SK is probable unless you already had that information. I bolded the important part to you. Note, mafia is given only some/all of the blue roles.
Okay, that's a good point.
However, let's clarify to make sure!
Would the mafia team be notified if there is a serial killer or other third party present in the game?
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Foolishness you're mean!
also both you and Palmar refused to comment on LSB. I'd like to hear thoughts.
Most of the comments from people so far have been "I dislike this part of your case therefore LSB is null." Besides Curu/Sandro's weak sheep of me, of course.
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overslept o_O
current votecount says this:
On December 17 2011 12:44 ZBot wrote:Day 1 Vote Count
With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.Current votes: LSB (3): wherebugsgo, SamuelLJackson, Jackal58L (2): kitaman27, - kitaman27, wherebugsgo, - wherebugsgo, SamuelLJackson, - SamuelLJackson, Jackal58, - Jackal58, chaoser, PalmarPalmar (2): VisceraEyes, - VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, Chezinu, - VisceraEyes, LSamuelLJackson (2): GMarshal, Chezinu, VisceraEyes, - VisceraEyes, - Chezinu, LSBBloodyC0bbler (1): Mr. WigglesLiquid`Sheth (1): kitaman27VisceraEyes (1): prplhzFoolishness (0): VisceraEyes, - VisceraEyesGMarshal (0): Palmar, - PalmarVoting ends at December 22 2011 14:00. (That's approximately 8:15:20 from now.)
So clearly a lot of people have not voted yet.
Palmar, what makes you confident L is scum?
Foolishness, if you want to kill L, why is your vote not on him? Or has your opinion changed since I was last here?
Jackal, can you explain what makes you suspicious of LSB?
All the people who haven't voted yet: why are you not contributing to discussion?
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