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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 30 2012 06:07 GMT
#53
/in if there's room, replacement if not

I think my keyboard is fixed
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 31 2012 08:58 GMT
#63
this game is still sexy, I'm still up.

/in ftw
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 31 2012 09:07 GMT
#65
On January 31 2012 18:05 Toadesstern wrote:
oh and I'm going to use wbg as a random vote everytime I'm unsure who to vote for :p


bring it on, Pimmelzwerg
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 06 2012 06:39 GMT
#197
man it's so sad that bumatlarge is not playing this game, he'd be like automatic batman even if he wasn't the batman.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 06 2012 07:11 GMT
#209
I really love how Dr. H tells everyone to not talk about Batman/Catwoman and then proceeds to post a half page of text on nothing but third party strategy. That's not hypocritical or anything -_-

On February 06 2012 15:58 Katina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2012 15:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
On February 06 2012 15:31 Katina wrote:
On February 06 2012 15:22 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
On February 06 2012 15:15 Katina wrote:
I wasn't sure if he was being a noob or being serious. I don't think it really means anything.


Pretty much everything is something that matters. I'm not sure it matters too much, but its definitely something to look at and think on a little bit imo.


I find it peculiar how you're able to use so many words yet say so little in the process

On February 06 2012 15:41 Katina wrote:
On February 06 2012 15:39 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
On February 06 2012 15:35 Bill Murray wrote:
I disagree with you. Sheth was questioning the validity of claiming there. It truly is weak play. It's like leaving a zealot on the wrong side of the map, out of the equation, when you're going into battle.

However, there is another side to WIFOM, but are both glasses poisoned?



So, Bill --

Zealots on the wrong side of the map are good.

They are like little scouting strong pillars of Zerg death.

Zealots are never on the wrong side of the map.

Does this mean you are calling yourself a zealot? And would you be up for poisoning yourself? Considering if you don't drink from either of the glasses you would probably die of thirst. In the case that either way you die, would you drink both glasses to have a quicker death? Or would you only drink one and not overdose on the poison in hopes you may be saved? I think these bring up valid questions. And I hope you will feel my play isn't weak after this.


.... I find it peculiar how you're able to use so many words yet say so little in the process

What I find peculiar is how you're able to repeat yourself while saying so little in the process. Are you getting scummy vibes off Sheth? You pickin up a lil red tinge there?



As Bill Murray said, I merely bring forth statements of factual information.


whose smurf are you and why are you already annoying me with useless trash?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 06 2012 23:12 GMT
#404
3 things

on phone; having keyboard issues

will be on in 3 hrs (hw+class+buy usb keyboard)

dr H and katina smell bad
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 06 2012 23:15 GMT
#406
yo pimmelz when i get out og class i better see some thoughts on dr h and katina kk?

ily all much love got quantum now byebye
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 07 2012 02:05 GMT
#425
ok I back. quick response time

On February 07 2012 08:29 Toadesstern wrote:
mh I can't find something that's standing out in dr h's filter. He does talk a lot about batman and isn't really talking about anything else. That's obviously very easy for mafia to do and he could easily look towny / not lurky doing so without posting "wrong" things. But we got that a lot right now. He's a null for me right now.


Please tell me how this makes sense:

"I see nothing in Dr. H's filter"

"except this one thing that he said town shouldn't do but he does anyway and scum would definitely do"

"but that's nothing cause we have a lot of it so he's null"

da fak

On February 07 2012 08:29 Toadesstern wrote:
I'd much rather see people like CC, maybe layabout or if we got noone else to lynch Palmar / Kenpachi lynched right now.

I can't help it (I can't even explain it) but I just don't get the same "stubborn" read on palmar that I had on him last game but that might as well be him getting used to this situation and therefore he might not be as emotional as last few games.


So the person you want to lynch at last resort you give reasoning for, but you give 0 reason to lynch CC or layabout, who you would "much rather" see lynched? Once again, da fak?

On February 07 2012 08:29 Toadesstern wrote:
Needledickthebugfucker (yeah totally going to use that one Jackal :p ), why are you requesting me to do analyses? I thought you think I'm useless not to begin with the fact that you haven't done shit yourself?


I asked because opinions about people I currently am forming reads about are useful in actually finding scum. Such as, for example, you. You are proving so for to not only be useless, but in a manner that is consistent with a scum who does not have opinions and is struggling to find them under pressure. Why else would you flop around and then basically as me why I'm pressuring you? Your responses so far have been utter bullshit.

##vote Toadesstern

gonna read what I missed now, be back soon.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 07 2012 02:06 GMT
#426
Edit:


You are proving so far to not only be useless, but in a manner that is consistent with a scum who does not have opinions and is struggling to find them under pressure.


wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 07 2012 04:20 GMT
#432
new target

rgTheScum

On February 07 2012 05:17 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Before proceeding, I have encountered Kenpachi in Mafia L. He did not claim townie at the start.


This is wrong. Can't tell if it's a lie or just straight up retardedness, but this is plain wrong.

On January 14 2012 07:22 Kenpachi wrote:
game started: a million pages.
hi guys im Kenpachi and im a townie 4 rela


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&currentpage=39#769

On February 06 2012 22:51 -_-Quails wrote:
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On February 06 2012 22:35 Forumite wrote:
Stealthvote detected!

On February 06 2012 22:21 -_-Quails wrote:
##vote rgTheSchworz

Qualis, please explain your reasoning for voting for Schworz without mentioning it in here, especially since the only FoS I´ve seen from you is on Sheth.

Did you read the rest of that post?
For your benefit:
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On February 06 2012 22:10 -_-Quails wrote:
rg's posts were far scummier though. He attacked using reasoning provided by someone else plus weirdness about RVS and this quote:
On February 06 2012 17:18 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I personally doubt that he's a blue trying to hide by claiming green, so scum know his role already.


Explicit reasons:
Objective: rgTheSchworz recycled an argument in order to attack KenPatchi. This is not a pro-town thing to do.

Subjective: rgTheSchworz reacted to the vanilla claim in a way that raised my hackles, as did Sheth but Sheth used his own reasoning rather than recycling and so is less suspicious.

Objective: That quote. player A knows -> mafia knows -> player A is mafia


Please explain what you're meaning about quote. player A knows -> mafia knows -> player A is mafia.
[/quote]

I did not recycle any Sheth opinions, except from the fact that I think that VT claiming is bad.
I provided my own arguments in that as blue it would make no sense, he sticks out and if he's scum he has a high chance of being the GF, thus the utility of the claim. Plus, he knows his own meta well, so why not do this?. He'll be overlooked, then DT's will perhaps check him if they read the thread closely.



You think that claiming VT is bad.

Explain how claiming VT is indicative of alignment (more specifically, indicative of being scum?)

I like how you are heavily casting suspicion on Kenpachi but at no point do you actually say that claiming VT is scummy, you call it "bad" and then claim that if he's gf it's somehow advantageous for him to claim vt.

if he was GF why would he bring attention to himself day 1 by claiming?

You can actually construct any sort of conclusion you want from the information you're using. The fact that you're selectively only choosing the scum possibility is indicative of a stretched argument. You're stretching hard to try and say kenpachi is scum when your only reasoning is that he claimed VT.


Now, you Mr, you first stealthvote, to bolster a wagon. Definitively not random, and not on a lurker.
That smells red.
Then you basically sheep after CC, who said what you state ages before you. You give Objective/Subjective sides, yet they differ in 1, 1 single statement: Schworz reacted in a way that raised my hackles. USELESS
You are trying to hide, you are trying to look like you contribute without doing so.
You, sir are Scum


this is irony in its true form.

On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote:
WHAAAAAAT??. No contradiction buddy,
Lemme explain better: He claims green. This is sub-sub-optimal blue play, as it puts him into spotlight too early and is basically useless. He could as well stay hidden.


What? Your "let me explain better" is still just regurgitated trash.

How is an auto-green claim on day 1 suboptimal for a blue? Or a green? Or anyone for that matter?

You never say how Kenpachi auto-claiming green is in any way indicative of his alignment. Literally anyone can do what he does How does that make what he did good or bad, regardless of alignment or role?

Most importantly, how does it make him likely to be scum?

On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote:
So, either he's green or scum- at least that's what I think


WOW that's insightful.

He's either green or scum guys!

On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Either way, scum know his role. They know that he's not lying about being green or they know he's scum and perhaps the GF himself. Why else claim green?


What in the fuck?

If Kenpachi is scum how do they know his role? He could be really a green. He could really be a blue. HIS CLAIM SAYS NOTHING ABOUT WHAT HE IS.

jesus. To all of us, it's not alignment/role indicative. He could be anything, yet you think he's scum just because you wouldn't do what he did.

On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Either way, Town has to lose from his claim.


Really? You keep fear mongering with this shit, but at no point do you explain.

On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote:I'm not advocating a straight-away lynch, we still have time to debate.


You're not advocating his immediate lynch because:

1. you're scum

2. you already know his alignment because of #1

and

3. because of 1 and 2, you're scared shitless to actually push what you know is a terrible case to fruition because you will receive suspicion if kenpachi is lynched.

On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote:
But a first vote is completely justified, it will certainly make scum take a stance instead of sitting around while you lazy-asses talk about Batman


I have yet to see this justification.

On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Batman doesn't help town. He has to kill ONE scum only. Why would he scumhunt once the Joker is dead?
He won't. He'll sit back, trying to apear moderately town, while he's DT-ing ppl who look scummy. Then he'll kill Hugo once he finds him. He won't scumhunt.
He'll manhunt


Didn't you JUST say we're wasting time discussing batman?


On February 06 2012 17:17 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Scum know that he's not lying . We can't know that.
It's a random vote. Random votes don't help scum. They help us get info from reactions to that random vote
I can't possibly know at this stage if Kenpachi is scum, but I voted him to get things going.


you didn't "randomly" vote kenpachi at all.

You voted kenpachi because he was an easy vote based on him claiming town. You know that if you receive pressure for voting kenpachi you can claim it was just pressure and then change your vote with no real consequence later because "it wasn't serious; it was random"

So then why bother to try and call kenpachi scum if your vote is random? Your vote wasn't random at all. It was poorly calculated, sure, but you thought you could get away with it.


On February 07 2012 04:27 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2012 18:41 Kenpachi wrote:
On February 06 2012 16:50 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Way to go claiming Joker. Don't do that. We lose one vig for .,.... nothing, cuz Batman is helping us regardless of the situation. And his task isn't to shoot scum, it's to shoot 1 particular scum. He won't risk giving off info for the sake of helping town, he's 3rd party after all and only cares for his win. It's likely he'll DT ppl till he finds Hugo.And he can't hint at being batman at all.

Anyone who claims being town or any blue D1 should be considered for a lynch.It's stupid,useless,and full of WIFOM-Helps scum a ton.

For the lack of a proper Random Voting Stage, I vote Kenpachi.

Considering the current situation, it's justified and if it goes through, we'll have info at least. There's no mayoral elections so setup chat and strategies shouldn't make scum stick out too much in the thread. This, instead will.

I feel Day 1 someone always gets lynched for beingcarelessandthat someone is almost always a townie.So, it doesn't do any harm at all to ramp the pressure now instead of later in the day when we will be hard-pressed for time and are likely to make hasty decisions.

This post is an atrocity.

RANDOM VOTING STAGE?
REALLY? fucking dumb. Its detrimental to blow any KP you get for mere information.[

Fun Fact: Town loses when i get lynched. (100% of the time)

Oh and im not hinting anytihng. i shouldn't give a vibe when i claim townie. Ive claimed townie when i was Mafia, Veteran, Vigilante, Doctor and etc.

From my standpoint, i have no opinion on Sheth, however im now deadset on this fool
.


Ooh, this is what I was looking for. OMGUS+Saying that he claiming town doesn't mean anything.
Then why do you claim town? To look interesting?
I'm not yet advocating blowing any lynches not KP, cuz KP are scum's property right?Very minor scumslip here.
You get all jittery and angry when I vote you.
FoS : Kenpachi
Also
##Unvote
Guess it was random after all, contrary to what some believe.
RVS over.
I'll look into ppl's responses to my posts and analyze them.Point was and still is to get ppl off setup talking.
Posting analysis as I go. May double or triple post


This is the post that made me LOL really hard.

So, you continue with the "it was a random vote lul" shit and then put a FoS on kenpachi after voting him, then unvote him in the same post (the fuck?).

You say your own vote was random, contrary to what other people believe...has anyone else actually even said anything about it yet?

And lastly, you say your point was to stop people from discussing setup talking. Really? So you admit it wasn't to catch scum?

You have no vested interest in catching scum. Stopping setup talk is not a priority unless you are actively pushing the discussion in a direction that favors scumhunting. Instead, you're just trying to look town by saying "we need to stop talking about batman" after other people have already said it 100 times. At no point do you actually scumhunt, despite at first pretending like you were scumhunting. The funniest part about all of this is that you actually pretended to scumhunt at first, and then as it was clear that some people were saying "stop talking about batman/the setup" you jump on that wagon and claim your vote was "random" and its sole purpose was to stop 'needless setup discussion."

rg needs to die. READ HIS POSTS PEOPLE.

##unvote

##vote rgTheSchworz


Additionally:


On February 07 2012 11:17 Radfield wrote:
Bugs, I thought you wanted to talk about DocH(who looks fine and is certainly not on the table for today) and katina.
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 07 2012 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
yo pimmelz when i get out og class i better see some thoughts on dr h and katina kk?

ily all much love got quantum now byebye


What did you honestly expect people to write about katina?

__

I somewhat agree on Toad, he is tickling my senses.


I disagree with you, but I operate on a need-to-know basis when it comes to scumhunting.

Let me put it this way: If I told you what I expect to hear from people regarding questions I ask about players (about, for example, Dr. H or Katina, or Toad), wouldn't that defeat the purpose of asking them in the first place? I'd just be seeding the thread with my own thoughts and then other players, particularly good scum (and bad townies) would just end up feeding me what I want to hear based on what I've already said.

That's why, for now, I just want to hear thoughts on those players.

The exception for now is rg, because I have absolutely no problem about killing him.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 07 2012 07:04 GMT
#439
On February 07 2012 15:42 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Let's all claim green btw, to see if it helps town.Shall we?


Let's follow the logic train here...

imagine everyone claims VT.

Does that indicate anything about anyone's alignment?

Now, knowing that, why again are you using the fact that kenpachi claimed green to call him scum? (oh but you backed off...hmmm)

On February 07 2012 15:42 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I think you understand quite clearly what I meant, but are so stubborn/stupid not to reconize.
Look, ppl are still talking Setup/Strat, things on which you cannot accuse anyone, because bad plans may just as well be bad townies' brainchildren. And bad townies abund, WBG you are one of them.


So you know these people are bad townies already?

On February 07 2012 15:42 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Repeat, for the last damn time: Voting kenpachi was a Random vote/Pressure Vote-For just claiming townie D1, I cannot hope to reasonably accuse someone.


Because you can't scumhunt day 1?

You don't even seem to want to try to scumhunt.

I also addressed why you calling the kenpachi vote a "random vote" is a copout of responsibility.

On February 07 2012 15:42 rgTheSchworz wrote:
So why keep my vote on Kenpachi?
He's responded, some say in his trademark fashion, I have thrown my ideas around, but it seems Kenpachi's meta looks just like that.
How could I miss a pg39 post of 2 lines in a Mafia L thread that had 160+ pages?Seriously, how could I?

By posting like I did, I hoped to attract some attention, maybe some votes on me.But what I did not expect was no lynch candidate after 24+ hours, and now I am myself a lynch candidate.


So, you expected some votes, but some votes make you a lynch candidate?

You're not making any sense. If you expected to receive votes, that means you knew you'd appear scummy. Why the fuck as town would you plan on looking scummy?

Again you make no sense. You received a few votes, apparently as you expected. If it wouldn't have made you a lynch candidate in your imagination, how does the current reality make you a lynch candidate?

It's either one or the other, it can't be both, and you certainly aren't helping yourself or anyone else if you're town and you think you can't scumhunt day 1.

If Kenpachi is scum how do they know his role? He could be really a green. He could really be a blue. HIS CLAIM SAYS NOTHING ABOUT WHAT HE IS.


This bit shows your stupidity or that you joined my wagon in a hurry. If Kenpachi is scum, scum obv know who is scum.[/quote]

rofl.

Once again, how does kenpachi claiming green tell scum what his role is?

On February 07 2012 15:42 rgTheSchworz wrote:
I'll not defend myself further.Waste of time. If, at the end of D1, they're still votes piling on me, I'll straight out claim.


lol.

so you're just gonna keep derping instead?

If you're town, why don't you actually do something instead of being emo? At this point, though, I actually doubt you're town. You don't defend yourself and you don't scumhunt either (you straight up said you expect us to lynch a townie day 1.)

If you're actually town and you come in expecting to lynch a townie, you need to shape up and reevaluate your play right the hell now, since you're just bringing us all down if you're going to go down without actually doing anything.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 07 2012 08:32 GMT
#442
On February 07 2012 17:29 risk.nuke wrote:
Been occupied with a real life stuff, my parents are getting divorced. In addition I have an exam tomorrow. I'll be reading the thread but expect low activity, I'll only comment if I need too. Tomorrow when my exam is done with I'm going to find some scum and rock this city.


sorry to hear that man, I went through that when I was 10 and it was a rough time.

Good luck on your exams and keep your spirits high!

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 07 2012 09:17 GMT
#447
Palmar:

name someone you want to lynch today.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 07 2012 23:42 GMT
#710
I'm back from class; I'm in the process of reading.

On my first skim of what I missed I caught these posts specifically:

On February 08 2012 05:30 rgTheSchworz wrote:
6 votes was the Largest wagon 6 or so h before lynchtime. If scum were going to hop on it, I would be d


On February 08 2012 04:29 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Due to the huge amount on votes on me I have decided I'll probably claim after I am done eating.
Well done, bad townies and scum. You have driven me nuts with your pointless accusations.
If it will get me lynched at least you'll have more info than is available and can be obtained through the people you want dead now.


On February 08 2012 05:17 rgTheSchworz wrote:
Not Random anymore.
I sense that I am about to be lynched, if not today maybe tomorrow.
Also the atmosphere is turnin mafia-favored rapidly. Votes flying left and right, dispersed votes makin it easy for scum to lynch town today.
Due to that, I am claiming:
I am a Detective
.Unless people insist that I claim my name, I won't do it due to obvious reasons :
I may or may not be Catwoman's target.
I have not had the chance to investigate yet.
I will probably be roleblocked.untill we can find the roleblocker.



On February 08 2012 01:59 Bill Murray wrote:
when i say half of the game having names of their own, i mean to say half of the game are town power roles

if you are not green, and not mafia, you are a power role, right?
i guess not all 16 have to be in the game...

anyways, im going to officially claim that i am not a townie


On February 08 2012 02:47 Bill Murray wrote:
I am not quite sure what I can claim and not be modkilled
I dont want to be modkilled and not help the town
Im not claiming 3rd party, im a town PR


On February 08 2012 03:30 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 03:29 Jayjay54 wrote:
On February 08 2012 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:
On February 08 2012 03:21 Jayjay54 wrote:
On February 08 2012 03:15 Bill Murray wrote:
On February 08 2012 03:12 Jayjay54 wrote:
On February 08 2012 03:09 Bill Murray wrote:
On February 08 2012 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
On February 08 2012 02:53 Bill Murray wrote:
has anyone talked about the gay phone network, yet?


wtf is this shit?

there is a gigantic mason network im a part of
that is why i'm claiming a power role
i know a confirmed town, as well


wait what? so you are masoning? with who? and why does this paint you town?

No, i was masoned.
It doesn't paint me town whatsoever - but I ask you - why would i do this as scum?
I am going to ask BC to what extent I can claim in thread, because I know a confirmed town via the network, and someone speculating about roles in relation to who would have sent said network's alignment in relation to the video game with which this came from.

Considering this isn't a bastard game, the flavor of the NEIGHBOR network (it's not a mason network - we don't know everyone is town) points towards the person having sent it being town. If he's town, and I'm outting in the thread saying I have a confirmed town, how is this anti-town?


woah slow down.

a) how many people are in that network? who is? and how long has this been going on.

b) if you are masoned and claim this still doesn't make you town whatsoever. Your mason buddy might be scum (even though you say it's unlikely). Even if he is town and masons you, you still could claim to get easy towncreds.

Sorry, I don't get your allignment from claiming being masoned.

a. quit fishing
b. no, unless bc is a bastard mod, the one person who initiated the neighbor network is town via flavor

like i said, we can't afford for my role to die n1 due to flavor, and im not a veteran, so i need a medic on me


a. yeah, please don't help town by providing information.

b. what? I seriously tried to understand that, but I failed.

a. i have outted my role, as a mouth of the network, so i can be protected - how is that not 100% info i know?
b. the role with which the neighbor came from is confirmed town



On February 08 2012 04:57 Bill Murray wrote:
I want everyone to answer these:
1) How were you introduced to mafia?
2) How would you describe your playstyle?
3) Are you better as mafia, or town?


RVS is overrated.
I personally prefer RQS, and having a questionnaire.

As such, I will initiate that:

I'll go first.
1) I first started here, on Teamliquid
2) I would say that I'm erratic, with unique and creative ideas
3) I am better at getting people to listen to me as mafia, but sometimes I am obvious. I would say I am better overall at being town, though, like this game, people rarely listen to me. I am actually a very good scumhunter, which is why I was kind of nervous when I got a power role.


@adam, on page 14 you voted for someone who, having not posted, was in line to be modkilled
in that post you had legit reasoning to vote kurumi
why would you vote for someone you had to have a null read on, unless he's your scumbuddy, when you may end up being stuck with that vote if you can't get back on before the deadline? (internet problems, family problems, zombie apocalypse)

wouldnt it be better to have a vote on someone you have reasoning on, regardless of when it occurs within the game?


I want thoughts as of right now on these posts and these two players.

Also layabout, stop posting your goddamn reads on every player. When you post stuff on every player in the game (like that chart) you are bound to get manipulated It's why a lot of vets say don't seed the thread with your town reads; what's it going to accomplish? If they're actually scum they'll be delighted to be called town, and if they're town then scum will kill them because too many people think they're town.

It's lose-lose for town, and it's why we play on a need-to-know basis. Throwing all your reads into the game willie nillie is going to allow scum to jump into your head and then mindfuck you by reversing all your reads.

Kurumi: what do you want?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 07 2012 23:42 GMT
#711
On February 08 2012 08:41 Tyrran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 07:43 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
At all the votes on me:
We should satisfy the neutrals town targets asap so they don't have any reason to fire randomly. You can pray they DT if you want, but It's not something I want to rely on. I still feel like someone that could kill every night might do it just because they can, and I still suspect it's more optimal than DT'ing.
I expect 2-3 groups arose to take a stance on my plan:
-Mafia to shut it down
-The townies who are targets, out of selfishness
-DocH Catwoman
But that's the last I'm going to say about it.


This is just plain bad. Why would you sacrifice 3 blue role ( one to Batman and 2 to catwoman) just to get rid of the 3rd party, not even to get rid of real scum. Just of the chance they shoot and do not DT ? On day 1 ? Why should they shoot randomly early ? Why ? How do shooting early help them satisfy their win condition ?

It doesnt.

That is just 100% scum play to get rid of town blues, how do you not realize this.

This plus the fact that I got no gut feeling on sheth means you get my vote.

##Vote Cyber_cheese


where the fuck did you come from?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 07 2012 23:43 GMT
#712
On February 08 2012 08:37 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2012 23:05 Kurumi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [snipped] +

Palmar, drop layabout to the scum list and it looks fine by me. And Toad could get to the Town section, because he is a mix of bored, drunk and honest townie at once. And he calls Batman badman for some reason. Like the hell.
Also, because it's still Day 1 I want to bring up two things:
Roles can have variations (something like paranoid doc or cop, etc)
and we have traitors here
On January 24 2012 14:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Insane inmates
You are a insane beyond belief. As such you killed a tyger security guard and decided to wear his clothes. Basically, any Detective checks on you will mark you as a Tyger Security Guard . As you are now donned in the security guards uniform, you subject other inmates to the same punishments the guards gave to you. You win with the inmates even though you hate them. You also don't realize just how insane you are and as such think you are a regular inmate.

Note:
Some names appear under 2 categories. These players will have to decide to be one or the other for their role. They are not both. Some roles might also have slight alterations to the "standard" although nothing game breaking. Not all names listed are guarenteed to be in this game, however only names listed will be in this game. Each role, much like Asylum, will have unique flavour text to make the gf style roles have more fun with the game. See Arkham Asylum for flavour text examples that I used for when you submit your role choice.

So during free time when You feel like actively lurking at least search for breadcrumbs from Traitors, if they exist.
As role variations I guess sanity cops, suiciding vigs and maybe paranoid docs (protect+rb)
Okay, enough of my setup rabble. I thought it's relevant to bring that to people so we know where are we standing. Yes, I know that discussing setup is the thing I've done the most. Oh well.
I think Palmar is getting less bored and more productive.. at least hope he does.
Also, HUGE FoS on WBG on getting the Schworz case back (First Toad then quick switch to him). This lynch is going to reach the level of absurd amazingxckd lynch got in one of the games I played. He claimed DT and was against guy who wrote nothing to defend himself and got lynched. At least gtrsrs got iGrok hung.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850&currentpage=22#432
The biggest part is pushing arguement saying
"Claiming day 1 is ok and it's by no means anti-town"
Also: Two shady people support wbg:
BillMurray (although: he voted for Kenpachi first, no reaction till now)
DoctorHelvetica
Look:
There's NO POINT in defending Kenpachi
Everyone who defends him tries to prove that claiming day 1, be it false or not is not bad and does not give any info about his alignment
THIS IS FALSE.
This is also trying to drive attention off Kenpachi. Schworz looks like new, irratiated town to me. Why? Because I was IN THE SAME FUCKING SPOT. Also, his actions make sense. Schworz is Town.

People I think are mafia:
Cyber_Cheese
DoctorHelvetica
-_-Qualis
wherebugsgo
Kenpachi

Probably Mafia:
Layabout
I haven't looked into Sheth case. Give me some time.

thinks CC is mafia
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 07:34 Kurumi wrote:
I am afraid because i have no time and my targets are not exactly the candidates Didnt look into sheth or cc too much is vote wbg if it would matter but it doesnt so i voted qualis because he is my strong scum read too

didn't look into CC much
...


ding ding ding we have a winnar

From what I could tell Kurumi hasn't been trolling.Which is strange; probably means he's scum.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 08 2012 01:23 GMT
#748
I really like a Cyber_Cheese lynch right now, actually. I've been ignoring most of his posts because I generally do that when someone posts like he does. Every game so far I've simply assumed Cyber Cheese is bad, but he's played enough to know by now not to play like this as town. Look at the post above this one : it's a running theme for CC to post absolutely spineless posts, with distinct lack of opinion and contribution.

I don't think RG should get off the hook so easily for claiming DT, but it definitely is not a good idea to kill him today when the chance is very strong that he is just really terrible.

Also I love you chaoser. He's the only one in thread so far who's had the balls to say what he thinks.

Lastly, the sheth lynch: what I don't like is how fast his wagon picked up and how literally no one has defended him. His defense of himself has been rather poor, but having only played one town game, I can see him doing this if he were town. Ofc, I was scum when he was town, so perhaps I'm biased.

I want to hear thoughts on this wagon. Palmar, Radfield, Dr. H, chaoser: what do you make of sheth receiving so many votes so quickly?

##unvote

##vote Cyber_Cheese
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 08 2012 02:27 GMT
#785
Kurumi you're starting to intrigue me.

I actually can't reconcile whether you're just trolling me or scum, since some things you've said have made like 0 sense. Particularly, your stances on cyber cheese and layabout.

On February 08 2012 10:39 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 10:37 chaoser wrote:
On February 08 2012 10:33 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm not sure I like a CC lynch. It is pretty rare for a scum to post a plan guiding town's direction and generating discussion on day one. His thoughts about RG/Hugo don't really make much sense, but are they scummy? I haven't had a chance to read Sheth though, but I'll post again in a bit. If I don't like him, I'll try to suggest an alternate candidate (likely ico or kurumi).


LSB did it in the hammer game I just played in.

On February 08 2012 10:27 Kurumi wrote:
On February 08 2012 10:24 chaoser wrote:
Oh and he never puts any pressure at all on layabout.

I would like to lynch layabout or wherebugsgo. If we manage to do that, the other one dies during the Night.
Can You help me swing the lynch?


lol no. WBG isn't even CLOSE to looking scummy to me. layabout either. I just said tunkeg is scummy to me. Those are your two choices if you're trying to get me to switch. CC or tunkeg. Take your pick.

Go Sheth. WBG is soft-defending him like he isn't.
Also, meta.
WBG is a lot more aggressive as town, a little as mafia but. He's REALLY active, like, being always on.


I'm defending Sheth because I don't think a mafia member would receive so many votes so fast with no defense at all from anyone. IMO, scum are pushing this lynch.

Can you name one person (other than me) who has proclaimed a disapproval of the Sheth lynch? There's too many people on it too fast. You claim I'm bandwagoning, yet you completely ignore the half dozen or so people who bandwagoned Sheth.

Look at Sheth's filter from Responsibility:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295384&user=62163&currentpage=2

For the first day or two Sheth literally does nothing. He apologizes a bit and the ramps up his activity later in the game (at a point after everyone else was completely inactive as well)

He received lynch attention from scum, kita. I remember because he was on my team and I recall kita and L both found sheth to be an easy push because he was the newest town player in that game (his only game as town, in fact.) I recall a short discussion in IRC and this post by kita in that game:

Well that's disappointing. I was hoping to hear a real case on someone from you GM. Are you sure you're not just trying to match your town meta by accusing me? -_-

I've been bringing up Sheth because he is the newest player and most likely to slip up from a random accusation. Go back in my history and I do this nearly every time. You accuse me of voting for someone who no one else is voting for, yet the vote was placed at the beginning of the day. Of course there wouldn't be any votes on him. That doesn't mean that is where my vote is going to stick by the end of the day. Yes, I've been prodding lurkers, but that's because its the people I find suspicious currently. I expect a lot more out of guys like Foolishness, BC and yourself.

As for the LSB lynch, I have to go back and read through the thread again. I'll comment once I'm done.


Kita straight up admitted (even in thread) that the reason he was pushing sheth was because sheth was new and likely to slip up.

This is similar to what has happened here, except people are bandwagoning him a lotmore than they did in Responsibility, because people in this game, on average, are a lot more retarded than the stacked list of names in Responsibility.

The simple fact is, right now I believe that Sheth is being pushed by mafia as an easy lynch. I strongly believe we should be getting the fuck off that train and focusing our efforts on other players.

As for the 'also, meta' part : what part of my play is consistent with scum meta?

How am I bandwagoning? How is bandwagoning part of my scum meta? (correct answers: I'm not and it isn't)

How does my inactivity make me scum and how is it part of my scum meta? (correct answers: it doesn't and it isn't)

How is "lack of aggressiveness" part of my scum meta? (correct answer: it isn't)

I've already explained my lack of activity; I've started school again and I'm more busy this semester, I've been having keyboard issues (so I don't post at school anymore) and my "lack of aggression" is just because I've been working on being less abrasive. Granted, it still comes through sometimes because I can't help but call people retarded when they just straight up do stupid shit.

On February 08 2012 10:36 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 10:34 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On February 08 2012 10:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
I really like a Cyber_Cheese lynch right now, actually. I've been ignoring most of his posts because I generally do that when someone posts like he does. Every game so far I've simply assumed Cyber Cheese is bad, but he's played enough to know by now not to play like this as town. Look at the post above this one : it's a running theme for CC to post absolutely spineless posts, with distinct lack of opinion and contribution.

I don't think RG should get off the hook so easily for claiming DT, but it definitely is not a good idea to kill him today when the chance is very strong that he is just really terrible.

Also I love you chaoser. He's the only one in thread so far who's had the balls to say what he thinks.

Lastly, the sheth lynch: what I don't like is how fast his wagon picked up and how literally no one has defended him. His defense of himself has been rather poor, but having only played one town game, I can see him doing this if he were town. Ofc, I was scum when he was town, so perhaps I'm biased.

I want to hear thoughts on this wagon. Palmar, Radfield, Dr. H, chaoser: what do you make of sheth receiving so many votes so quickly?

##unvote

##vote Cyber_Cheese

This post seems strange for two reasons.
1) You didn't tunnel anyone yet? That's all I've ever seen you do as town.
2) For someone calling me out on 'spineless posts', you don't seem to be putting much effort into the accusation.

The funny thing is he thinks You're bad and ignored Your posts and said Your posts have nothing of substance without backing it up, then soft-defends Sheth calling him New Town for no reason, because a) Sheth played a lot of RL mafia
b) Then, he is not new to the concept of mafia
wait this might be a breakthrough
I might vote Sheth.


Yes, I ignored his posts just like I did in steamship. Guess what? CC was scum in that game and I was a retard for ignoring his posts just because they were bad. Same thing happened in PYP:I until we infiltrated his team and I shot his ass.

You accuse me of calling CC bad and scum based on nothing but that's all you've done all game. You're calling me scum based on nothing, you're calling layabout scum based on nothing, and you're accusing me of being scum and saying sheth is a good lynch based on me "soft defending him" when in reality you're doing the exact same thing with cyber_cheese.

Sheth has played one game on TL as town. How is playing RL mafia in anyway indicative of the kind of play that's necessary to build up experience as town in this game?


On February 08 2012 10:57 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 10:54 chaoser wrote:
On February 08 2012 10:52 Kurumi wrote:
Yes, I'd like You to vote Sheth.


Except before you said both sheth and CC were bad lynches, aka you thought they were townie. In like the last couple of minutes. What's with the change of mind?

I looked at the voting list once again and wbg posted with soft-defense of Sheth and voted CC using bullshit reason
"He looks bad town so he must be scum"
This is a terrible argument to lynch someone on. This is called bandwagoning.


So far, you've just been playing bad.

However, this post actually makes me think you might be scum.

To everyone else, this is why:

Kurumi for a while has just been calling me scum for no reason and then later says it's meta (with no real explanation other than activity and lack of aggression; both of which are inaccurate on meta grounds and not even constructed properly to begin with)

then, he accuses me of trying to lynch CC for being bad and soft-defending Sheth. And he says this is a bad argument and that I must die.

If you think I'm scum, Kurumi, why is it that at no point have you voted me?

Why is it that you haven't built a case? You just constantly seed doubt. It's like you're trying to undermine me.


This is actually the thing that I find scummy about Kurumi, but since he's generally this useless I have no idea what to think of it atm. Also barring some crazy vote switch Kurumi has no chance of being lynched today, so I'll have to leave it till tomorrow. Basically, what's scummy here is that Kurumi constantly seeds the thread with the idea that I'm scum but doesn't strongly back it up. Most tellingly, he doesn't back it up with a vote. This suggests to me he's just trying to make me look bad and doesn't actually believe I'm scum, which would imply he is scum.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 08 2012 02:30 GMT
#786
On February 08 2012 11:03 Kurumi wrote:
Look:
My strongest scum read is WBG.
He came to the thread, made Toad case, then changed his mind and made Schworz case making two people change their vote and basically say "I agree", when the discussion on this guy was pretty much dead and irrevelant. Then he goes for CC, again weak case and bullshit argument.
No big efforts and backed up by scummy people.
Also, his case on Toad was built on basis that Toad had seen nothing wrong with DrH, while WBG does not comment himself on the case.


this is all false.

My case on Toad was based on the fact that he had no opinions, not that he saw nothing wrong with Dr. H. At no point did I actually legitimately find Dr. H to be scummy, I just used that question as bait.

How does changing my mind make me scum?

Finally and most importantly:

If I am your strongest scum read,why the fuck is your vote on sheth?

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 08 2012 02:36 GMT
#792
On February 08 2012 03:32 Kurumi wrote:
Im on a party , voting cyber cheese .



On February 08 2012 07:34 Kurumi wrote:
I am afraid because i have no time and my targets are not exactly the candidates Didnt look into sheth or cc too much is vote wbg if it would matter but it doesnt so i voted qualis because he is my strong scum read too



On February 08 2012 10:28 Kurumi wrote:
I think that neither Sheth or C_C are mafia.


On February 08 2012 10:57 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 10:54 chaoser wrote:
On February 08 2012 10:52 Kurumi wrote:
Yes, I'd like You to vote Sheth.


Except before you said both sheth and CC were bad lynches, aka you thought they were townie. In like the last couple of minutes. What's with the change of mind?

I looked at the voting list once again and wbg posted with soft-defense of Sheth and voted CC using bullshit reason
"He looks bad town so he must be scum"
This is a terrible argument to lynch someone on. This is called bandwagoning.


On February 08 2012 11:03 Kurumi wrote:
Look:
My strongest scum read is WBG.
He came to the thread, made Toad case, then changed his mind and made Schworz case making two people change their vote and basically say "I agree", when the discussion on this guy was pretty much dead and irrevelant. Then he goes for CC, again weak case and bullshit argument.
No big efforts and backed up by scummy people.

Also, his case on Toad was built on basis that Toad had seen nothing wrong with DrH, while WBG does not comment himself on the case.


fuck it, the double standards are way too much for Kurumi to be town.

1. says he's voting CC

2. 4 hours later says he didn't look into CC, would vote me if it mattered but it doesn't (wtf? so he knows a case on me would never fly?)

3. says neither sheth nor cc are mafia

4. tells people to vote sheth just because I defend him (yeah, that's a great reason to vote someone)

Oh btw Kurumi, here's a shitty meta argument for you being scum: you're not trolling

##unvote

##vote Kurumi
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