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On January 28 2015 08:46 Thax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 08:43 sharkie wrote:On January 28 2015 08:40 Thax wrote:On January 28 2015 08:38 sharkie wrote:On January 28 2015 08:36 Thax wrote:On January 28 2015 08:21 boxerfred wrote:On January 28 2015 08:03 SuperHofmann wrote:
I'm sad while i get his point, i think you can't commit to both fully, so he has to get his priorities straight. I agree. At a certain point they have to stop taking everyone's preferences into account and just get on with things. If you know up front that you can't travel to a place and also know up front that there's a 50/50 chance that *have* to travel to that place for the tournament, I feel you maybe should've taken that into account in your decision to participate at all. It's not like any of this is a surprise. It's the same choice the Asian, Australian, and SA guys have, either travel or don't compete. That being said, I think all the practical things could've been decided a heck of a lot sooner, so players get more of a chance to organize their life around WCS is they decide to participate in it. Suppy isn't going to lose anything by forfeiting. He gets his 4.5k. And WCS has suddenly a three man group, less viewers, less streamtime. This only hurts one side and its not the player's side Then why is he complaining? Don't be disingenuous. Also, there's the option of replacing drop outs. Ehh if I were in the players' position I'd handle this exactly like ESL did. Notify of dropping out a few hours before the actual match. Give them a taste of their own medicine. Now who's being unprofessional and disappointing viewers? I also fail to see how ESL did anything "a few hours before the match".
Probably just referencing how rushed and disorganized this entire WCS season feels. It's like they're doing everything last minute.
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On January 28 2015 08:46 Thax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 08:43 sharkie wrote:On January 28 2015 08:40 Thax wrote:On January 28 2015 08:38 sharkie wrote:On January 28 2015 08:36 Thax wrote:On January 28 2015 08:21 boxerfred wrote:while i get his point, i think you can't commit to both fully, so he has to get his priorities straight. I agree. At a certain point they have to stop taking everyone's preferences into account and just get on with things. If you know up front that you can't travel to a place and also know up front that there's a 50/50 chance that *have* to travel to that place for the tournament, I feel you maybe should've taken that into account in your decision to participate at all. It's not like any of this is a surprise. It's the same choice the Asian, Australian, and SA guys have, either travel or don't compete. That being said, I think all the practical things could've been decided a heck of a lot sooner, so players get more of a chance to organize their life around WCS is they decide to participate in it. Suppy isn't going to lose anything by forfeiting. He gets his 4.5k. And WCS has suddenly a three man group, less viewers, less streamtime. This only hurts one side and its not the player's side Then why is he complaining? Don't be disingenuous. Also, there's the option of replacing drop outs. Ehh if I were in the players' position I'd handle this exactly like ESL did. Notify of dropping out a few hours before the actual match. Give them a taste of their own medicine. Now who's being unprofessional and disappointing viewers? I also fail to see how ESL did anything "a few hours before the match".
It wasn't to be taken literally. I am just honestly so disappointed how they work on this tournament. It's a disgrace of the esports scene.
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On January 28 2015 08:51 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 08:40 Boucot wrote: While I understand Suppy's frustration, I think players should not be allowed to choose where they want to play, at all. WCS is the most professional SC2 western league in the world, it's not ESL's role to adapt to school schedules. The only issue they should handle is visas, that's all. Agree 100%.
which is still hilarious regarding kane situation.
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On January 28 2015 08:52 Rehio wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 08:46 Thax wrote:On January 28 2015 08:43 sharkie wrote:On January 28 2015 08:40 Thax wrote:On January 28 2015 08:38 sharkie wrote:On January 28 2015 08:36 Thax wrote:On January 28 2015 08:21 boxerfred wrote:while i get his point, i think you can't commit to both fully, so he has to get his priorities straight. I agree. At a certain point they have to stop taking everyone's preferences into account and just get on with things. If you know up front that you can't travel to a place and also know up front that there's a 50/50 chance that *have* to travel to that place for the tournament, I feel you maybe should've taken that into account in your decision to participate at all. It's not like any of this is a surprise. It's the same choice the Asian, Australian, and SA guys have, either travel or don't compete. That being said, I think all the practical things could've been decided a heck of a lot sooner, so players get more of a chance to organize their life around WCS is they decide to participate in it. Suppy isn't going to lose anything by forfeiting. He gets his 4.5k. And WCS has suddenly a three man group, less viewers, less streamtime. This only hurts one side and its not the player's side Then why is he complaining? Don't be disingenuous. Also, there's the option of replacing drop outs. Ehh if I were in the players' position I'd handle this exactly like ESL did. Notify of dropping out a few hours before the actual match. Give them a taste of their own medicine. Now who's being unprofessional and disappointing viewers? I also fail to see how ESL did anything "a few hours before the match". Probably just referencing how rushed and disorganized this entire WCS season feels. It's like they're doing everything last minute.
That I do agree with.
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Iaguz must enjoy this new draw very much
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God I am so pissed at these groups... All my favorites have been chucked into two groups and all the Korean farmers except for Violet get piss-easy groups with a free ticket to ro16... Yuck.
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On January 28 2015 08:40 Boucot wrote: While I understand Suppy's frustration, I think players should not be allowed to choose where they want to play, at all. WCS is the most professional SC2 western league in the world, it's not ESL's role to adapt to school schedules. The only issue they should handle is visas, that's all. 100% this
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Bisutopia19047 Posts
Lots of TL players and in separate groups. It's perfect.
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Real question is will major show up
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On January 28 2015 09:32 BisuDagger wrote: Lots of TL players and in separate groups. It's perfect.
spoiler : They all lose
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If you enter the competition you should accept the fact that there is a chance to play in Germany or US. Yes, someone made a mistake in the first draw, ESL had to correct it and they did.
Suppy is essentially complaining he run out of luck. Because that is how he got to play in US in the first draw, luck.
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On January 28 2015 09:53 ivancype wrote: If you enter the competition you should accept the fact that there is a chance to play in Germany or US. Yes, someone made a mistake in the first draw, ESL had to correct it and they did.
Suppy is essentially complaining he run out of luck. Because that is how he got to play in US in the first draw, luck. I'm complaining because I requested NA before premier was drawn and they told me they'd try their best. I was then told that I was to play in the US studio which I was ecstatic about. Then, because someone made a mistake, they redrew and made me in EU instead. That is a mistake I had absolutely nothing to do with but now I might not be able to play at all. With WCS this year I wasn't even aware that there would be two studios until after my challenger match. Even if it was luck that I drew the U.S. studio the first time I shouldn't have to lose that because someone else made a mistake.
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France7248 Posts
On January 28 2015 09:32 BisuDagger wrote: Lots of TL players and in separate groups. It's perfect. MaNa & Bunny in group B ^^
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On January 28 2015 09:58 Superiorwolf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 09:53 ivancype wrote: If you enter the competition you should accept the fact that there is a chance to play in Germany or US. Yes, someone made a mistake in the first draw, ESL had to correct it and they did.
Suppy is essentially complaining he run out of luck. Because that is how he got to play in US in the first draw, luck. I'm complaining because I requested NA before premier was drawn and they told me they'd try their best. I was then told that I was to play in the US studio which I was ecstatic about. Then, because someone made a mistake, they redrew and made me in EU instead. That is a mistake I had absolutely nothing to do with but now I might not be able to play at all. With WCS this year I wasn't even aware that there would be two studios until after my challenger match. Even if it was luck that I drew the U.S. studio the first time I shouldn't have to lose that because someone else made a mistake. How do you explain that a random SC2 viewer like me was aware of that and not you ?
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When they will publish dates?
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On January 28 2015 09:58 Superiorwolf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 09:53 ivancype wrote: If you enter the competition you should accept the fact that there is a chance to play in Germany or US. Yes, someone made a mistake in the first draw, ESL had to correct it and they did.
Suppy is essentially complaining he run out of luck. Because that is how he got to play in US in the first draw, luck. I'm complaining because I requested NA before premier was drawn and they told me they'd try their best. I was then told that I was to play in the US studio which I was ecstatic about. Then, because someone made a mistake, they redrew and made me in EU instead. That is a mistake I had absolutely nothing to do with but now I might not be able to play at all. With WCS this year I wasn't even aware that there would be two studios until after my challenger match. Even if it was luck that I drew the U.S. studio the first time I shouldn't have to lose that because someone else made a mistake.
I hope you and Kane are able to work out something with ESL, because the whole redraw in itself was unprofessional and it appears they only considered the china players in terms of travel.
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On January 28 2015 10:05 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 09:58 Superiorwolf wrote:On January 28 2015 09:53 ivancype wrote: If you enter the competition you should accept the fact that there is a chance to play in Germany or US. Yes, someone made a mistake in the first draw, ESL had to correct it and they did.
Suppy is essentially complaining he run out of luck. Because that is how he got to play in US in the first draw, luck. I'm complaining because I requested NA before premier was drawn and they told me they'd try their best. I was then told that I was to play in the US studio which I was ecstatic about. Then, because someone made a mistake, they redrew and made me in EU instead. That is a mistake I had absolutely nothing to do with but now I might not be able to play at all. With WCS this year I wasn't even aware that there would be two studios until after my challenger match. Even if it was luck that I drew the U.S. studio the first time I shouldn't have to lose that because someone else made a mistake. How do you explain that a random SC2 viewer like me was aware of that and not you ? Well I do see it now on the WCS 2015 announcement which I must have missed previously. Of course that is my fault but when it was announced I was still relatively inactive and very busy getting back into schoolwork after a year off so I wasn't as attentive as normal.
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All I can say is I hope things work out for you, Coco, no matter what comes of this.
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On January 28 2015 09:58 Superiorwolf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 09:53 ivancype wrote: If you enter the competition you should accept the fact that there is a chance to play in Germany or US. Yes, someone made a mistake in the first draw, ESL had to correct it and they did.
Suppy is essentially complaining he run out of luck. Because that is how he got to play in US in the first draw, luck. I'm complaining because I requested NA before premier was drawn and they told me they'd try their best. I was then told that I was to play in the US studio which I was ecstatic about. Then, because someone made a mistake, they redrew and made me in EU instead. That is a mistake I had absolutely nothing to do with but now I might not be able to play at all. With WCS this year I wasn't even aware that there would be two studios until after my challenger match. Even if it was luck that I drew the U.S. studio the first time I shouldn't have to lose that because someone else made a mistake.
Blizzard announced the U.S./Germany thing the day they announced the new WCS. http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/2015-starcraft-ii-world-championship-series
And I am sorry Suppy, after all these broken promises you have good reason to be sad and angry, but i still think what I said is valid. Hope this situation is fixed and you are able to play and I will cheer for you then.
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