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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7wXagE9.jpg) After issues arose with the first live drawing, the groups have been redone. Starting matches will be 1st vs 4th, 2nd vs 3rd (Ex. XiGua vs Astrea, uThermal vs Snute) The groups featuring Chinese players (  Jim,  XiGua, iAsonu, and MacSed) will be played in Burbank, USA. The others will be played in Cologne, Germany
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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SNSeigifried
United States1640 Posts
PiG  HappyBunny MajOrPolt JimpuCK ForGGSnute uThermalHydra ShoWTimENaNiwa SerralHuK Welmu | ||
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
Poll: Group of Death? (Vote): Kane, TargA, PiG, Happy | ||
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SNSeigifried
United States1640 Posts
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Fishriot
United States621 Posts
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On January 28 2015 07:14 argonautdice wrote: no group of desu? nope | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
On January 28 2015 07:10 Circumstance wrote: Polt, Jim, TLO, Kelazhur. My pick for group of death. Death for Kelazhur  | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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InsidiA
Canada1169 Posts
this group seems pretty tough to call | ||
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
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Spect8rCraft
649 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On January 28 2015 07:10 Circumstance wrote: Polt, Jim, TLO, Kelazhur. My pick for group of death. Nah, Polt and Jim take that easy. I rate group B much higher as the group of death. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
The viOLet, Bunny, MajOr, MaNaappears to be the death group. Anyone could get out of that. | ||
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On January 28 2015 07:23 AWalker9 wrote: https://twitter.com/NaNiwaSC2/status/560200836719321091 He never stops complaining. Never. | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On January 28 2015 07:23 AWalker9 wrote: https://twitter.com/NaNiwaSC2/status/560200836719321091 Already making excuses | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On January 28 2015 07:23 AWalker9 wrote: https://twitter.com/NaNiwaSC2/status/560200836719321091 Top 5 GM on 5 accounts? He's all of top GM?!  I think I severely underestimated Serral. He might have made it out that group of death before. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18452 Posts
I mean if they did we'd already know which group is EU and which is US right? Ffs I see plenty of forfeits incoming... | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
Neither does people about Naniwa. | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
That's because he makes it so very easy. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
Yes, because he's so concerned about his image. | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On January 28 2015 07:27 sharkie wrote: did they seriously do a redraw without considering players' positions again? I mean if they did we'd already know which group is EU and which is US right? Ffs I see plenty of forfeits incoming... What? They took into account potential visa issues. I don't see what else would be a problem? | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
Since when was complaining about things hard? | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On January 28 2015 07:23 AWalker9 wrote: https://twitter.com/NaNiwaSC2/status/560200836719321091 I can already sense the excited of the Finns | ||
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ossavi09
Germany441 Posts
edit: upps, Astrea will be playing in the US :S | ||
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sharkie
Austria18452 Posts
On January 28 2015 07:29 Thax wrote: What? They took into account potential visa issues. I don't see what else would be a problem? Kane cant travel to Europe, I am sure they did lol Suppy has exams at that time, hahaha Two forfeits are already fixed | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On January 28 2015 07:29 gruff wrote: Yes, because he's so concerned about his image. I also like how he shows respect to other players by not bothering to get their name right. | ||
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On January 28 2015 07:30 sharkie wrote: Kane cant travel to Europe, I am sure they did lol Suppy has exams at that time, hahaha Two forfeits are already fixed Why can't Kane travel to Europe? | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On January 28 2015 07:31 Ctone23 wrote: Nani just trolling guys pls No. He's really scared of the little young Finn. "Finland > Sweden" confirmed | ||
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Yakikorosu
1203 Posts
Also FireCake is down to 1 Protoss in his group instead of 3, so that group may now be somewhat watchable. And Snute only 1 toss also. Though if Blizzard could kill swarm hosts prior to those particular groups being played that would be absolutely optimal. Group B definitely closest thing to a group of death. Though I am looking forward to the last group most; that is a collection of 4 wacky, fun, aggressive players. | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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Teapea
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On January 28 2015 07:26 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Top 5 GM on 5 accounts? He's all of top GM?! I think I severely underestimated Serral. He might have made it out that group of death before. I knew he was rank 1 EU at least, so yeah.. He is that good. A bit predictable maybe, but have to see. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
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Teapea
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On January 28 2015 07:36 Thax wrote: Why can't Kane travel to Europe? He said something like you he can only be 90 days in EU every 180 days.. And he was in EU for 90 days just, and left in December. So he can't enter EU. | ||
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SaltySam
65 Posts
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
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Sharkken
Jordan141 Posts
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swag_bro
Japan782 Posts
Kane, TargA, PiG, Happy - This group was very easy in terms of who will get out of the group. I chose Kane because he is just better than the other three. The 2nd person who will make it out of this group is a little more difficult to pick. I chose PiG because I feel that he is a very great Terran. How many players can proudly say that they defeated NesTea, a three time GSL winner and the most accomplished Zerg in SC2 to date? Not many people can make that claim. I normally would pick Happy, but he is a known cheater ever since the whole stream cheating on the Russian stream thing. I used to give Happy the benefit of the doubt for not being able to reproduce his online results offline. viOLet, Bunny, MajOr, MaNa - viOLet is Korean playing against some Europeans and North Americans. Enough said. I didn't pick MajOr because he most likely will not even show up. Otherwise, I would pick him since he has winning records against top Koreans such as Polt. It was hard to pick either MaNa or Bunny, so I went with Bunny. Bunny's form has been better than MaNa's, despite his inability to beat easy opponents. Actually, with Bunny's form these days, he might actually win a PREMIER tournament. Polt, TLO, Kelazhur, Jim - Polt is clearly superior to the other three players in this group. The person who might make it in 2nd place can either be TLO or Jim. TLO is well known by the SC2 community for being inconsistent so I will go with Jim. He is consistent enough and has some weird Chinese builds to back him up. puCK, ForGG, Firecake, Sen - First place will obviously be fOrGG. The man beat Life, the WCS Finals 2014 champion, fresh off of his win. fOrGG is the best player out of any of these players right now. The next player to leave this group will be Sen. Sen is just looking too solid these days to lose to Firecake or... puCK. Astrea, Snute, uThermal, XiGua - This group is just too easy to predict. Snute and XiGua, in that order. Snute is a tournament winner and XiGua is a WCG runner up. These players' achievements simply can't be ignored. BUT I can kind of see an Astrea beating Snute AND XiGua since he, after all, managed to beat Scarlett, the best foreign Zerg in the world if it was not for her wrists. Hydra, ShoWTimE, MorroW, iAsonu - Hydra because he is Korean. Morrow is an IEM champion, and defeating Idra at that. Morrow will definitely make it out of this group. His play is too solid compared to the other foreigners. Suppy, NaNiwa, Serral, Has - NaNiwa is the best foreigner in the world right now. There is nobody else, besides Stephano, who can suddenly come out of retirement and make it to premier without practice. Naniwa truly has the SC2 gift that all other players want. Although I think fOrGG will win this WCS, I think that NaNiwa will take second place losing 3-4 by some weird SCV pull from fOrGG. Second will probably be Has. Chinese players are almost as good as Koreans therefore being better than other foreigners. HuK, Welmu, Iaguz, MacSed - Despite what people say about HuK being a washed up has been, he is still a top 5 foreigner. That is why he will make it out. 1,2 for Welmu, 3,4 for Iaguz, 5,6 for MacSed. I rolled a 2 on my dice. Welmu it is. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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rotta
5589 Posts
Naniwa vs. Serral though... :o | ||
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
it was live stream so there is no chance of being rigged right? | ||
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Taari
Germany138 Posts
#yearofastrea  Group 1: Kane, Happy, PiG, TargAGroup 2: MajOr, Bunny, MaNa, viOLetGroup 3: TLO, Polt, Jim, KelazhurGroup 4: ForGG, Sen, puCK, FireCakeGroup 5: Snute, Astrea, XiGua, uThermalGroup 6: Hydra, iAsonu, ShoWTimE, MorroWGroup 7: NaNiwa, Serral, Has, SuppyGroup 8: Welmu, HuK, MacSed, iaguz | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On January 28 2015 07:46 swag_bro wrote: My predictions: + Show Spoiler + Kane, TargA, PiG, Happy - This group was very easy in terms of who will get out of the group. I chose Kane because he is just better than the other three. The 2nd person who will make it out of this group is a little more difficult to pick. I chose PiG because I feel that he is a very great Terran. How many players can proudly say that they defeated NesTea, a three time GSL winner and the most accomplished Zerg in SC2 to date? Not many people can make that claim. I normally would pick Happy, but he is a known cheater ever since the whole stream cheating on the Russian stream thing. I used to give Happy the benefit of the doubt for not being able to reproduce his online results offline. viOLet, Bunny, MajOr, MaNa - viOLet is Korean playing against some Europeans and North Americans. Enough said. I didn't pick MajOr because he most likely will not even show up. Otherwise, I would pick him since he has winning records against top Koreans such as Polt. It was hard to pick either MaNa or Bunny, so I went with Bunny. Bunny's form has been better than MaNa's, despite his inability to beat easy opponents. Actually, with Bunny's form these days, he might actually win a PREMIER tournament. Polt, TLO, Kelazhur, Jim - Polt is clearly superior to the other three players in this group. The person who might make it in 2nd place can either be TLO or Jim. TLO is well known by the SC2 community for being inconsistent so I will go with Jim. He is consistent enough and has some weird Chinese builds to back him up. puCK, ForGG, Firecake, Sen - First place will obviously be fOrGG. The man beat Life, the WCS Finals 2014 champion, fresh off of his win. fOrGG is the best player out of any of these players right now. The next player to leave this group will be Sen. Sen is just looking too solid these days to lose to Firecake or... puCK. Astrea, Snute, uThermal, XiGua - This group is just too easy to predict. Snute and XiGua, in that order. Snute is a tournament winner and XiGua is a WCG runner up. These players' achievements simply can't be ignored. BUT I can kind of see an Astrea beating Snute AND XiGua since he, after all, managed to beat Scarlett, the best foreign Zerg in the world if it was not for her wrists. Hydra, ShoWTimE, MorroW, iAsonu - Hydra because he is Korean. Morrow is an IEM champion, and defeating Idra at that. Morrow will definitely make it out of this group. His play is too solid compared to the other foreigners. Suppy, NaNiwa, Serral, Has - NaNiwa is the best foreigner in the world right now. There is nobody else, besides Stephano, who can suddenly come out of retirement and make it to premier without practice. Naniwa truly has the SC2 gift that all other players want. Although I think fOrGG will win this WCS, I think that NaNiwa will take second place losing 3-4 by some weird SCV pull from fOrGG. Second will probably be Has. Chinese players are almost as good as Koreans therefore being better than other foreigners. HuK, Welmu, Iaguz, MacSed - Despite what people say about HuK being a washed up has been, he is still a top 5 foreigner. That is why he will make it out. 1,2 for Welmu, 3,4 for Iaguz, 5,6 for MacSed. I rolled a 2 on my dice. Welmu it is. There's so many layers of bait in there it's beautiful. "NaNiwa is the best foreigner in the world right now" is my favorite one. God bless you swag_bro. | ||
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GGuMake
United States74 Posts
Kane/Happy, Violet/Bunny, Polt/Jim, ForGG/Sen, Snute/XiGua, Hydra/Showtime, Naniwa/Serral, Iaguz/MacSeed. Z(7) T(5) P(4) | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On January 28 2015 07:46 swag_bro wrote: My predictions: Kane, TargA, PiG, Happy - This group was very easy in terms of who will get out of the group. I chose Kane because he is just better than the other three. The 2nd person who will make it out of this group is a little more difficult to pick. I chose PiG because I feel that he is a very great Terran. How many players can proudly say that they defeated NesTea, a three time GSL winner and the most accomplished Zerg in SC2 to date? Not many people can make that claim. I normally would pick Happy, but he is a known cheater ever since the whole stream cheating on the Russian stream thing. I used to give Happy the benefit of the doubt for not being able to reproduce his online results offline. viOLet, Bunny, MajOr, MaNa - viOLet is Korean playing against some Europeans and North Americans. Enough said. I didn't pick MajOr because he most likely will not even show up. Otherwise, I would pick him since he has winning records against top Koreans such as Polt. It was hard to pick either MaNa or Bunny, so I went with Bunny. Bunny's form has been better than MaNa's, despite his inability to beat easy opponents. Actually, with Bunny's form these days, he might actually win a PREMIER tournament. Polt, TLO, Kelazhur, Jim - Polt is clearly superior to the other three players in this group. The person who might make it in 2nd place can either be TLO or Jim. TLO is well known by the SC2 community for being inconsistent so I will go with Jim. He is consistent enough and has some weird Chinese builds to back him up. puCK, ForGG, Firecake, Sen - First place will obviously be fOrGG. The man beat Life, the WCS Finals 2014 champion, fresh off of his win. fOrGG is the best player out of any of these players right now. The next player to leave this group will be Sen. Sen is just looking too solid these days to lose to Firecake or... puCK. Astrea, Snute, uThermal, XiGua - This group is just too easy to predict. Snute and XiGua, in that order. Snute is a tournament winner and XiGua is a WCG runner up. These players' achievements simply can't be ignored. BUT I can kind of see an Astrea beating Snute AND XiGua since he, after all, managed to beat Scarlett, the best foreign Zerg in the world if it was not for her wrists. Hydra, ShoWTimE, MorroW, iAsonu - Hydra because he is Korean. Morrow is an IEM champion, and defeating Idra at that. Morrow will definitely make it out of this group. His play is too solid compared to the other foreigners. Suppy, NaNiwa, Serral, Has - NaNiwa is the best foreigner in the world right now. There is nobody else, besides Stephano, who can suddenly come out of retirement and make it to premier without practice. Naniwa truly has the SC2 gift that all other players want. Although I think fOrGG will win this WCS, I think that NaNiwa will take second place losing 3-4 by some weird SCV pull from fOrGG. Second will probably be Has. Chinese players are almost as good as Koreans therefore being better than other foreigners. HuK, Welmu, Iaguz, MacSed - Despite what people say about HuK being a washed up has been, he is still a top 5 foreigner. That is why he will make it out. 1,2 for Welmu, 3,4 for Iaguz, 5,6 for MacSed. I rolled a 2 on my dice. Welmu it is. I got swag_bro'd | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
I'm sad | ||
afreecaTV.Char
United States337 Posts
Excited to see how China and Taiwan performs! | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
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asongdotnet
United States1060 Posts
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AWalker9
United Kingdom7229 Posts
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
Wow so many predictions for nothing in the end. You only need this sentence : Naniwa wins WCS premier league. also why in the name of god is the first group stage being played offline ? That's retarded. regards. | ||
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LastManProductions
United States252 Posts
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
On January 28 2015 08:17 AWalker9 wrote: https://twitter.com/messioso/status/560214449340964864 https://twitter.com/messioso/status/560214909066043392 messioso is my man | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On January 28 2015 08:03 SuperHofmann wrote: https://twitter.com/EGSuppy/status/560209759778144257 https://twitter.com/EGSuppy/status/560210053211619328 I'm sad while i get his point, i think you can't commit to both fully, so he has to get his priorities straight. | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
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DARKING
Mexico674 Posts
On January 28 2015 08:26 Ragnarork wrote: Wait this will be offline? Yes. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18452 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10675 Posts
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
I agree. Competitive Starcraft is like a job. You have to sacrifice some school time (credit hours) in order to work full time. Or, alternatively, you have to sacrifice some job hours to study full time. It looks like Suppy is making a good argument as to why he should not be trying to participate in tournaments. Additionally, "punished for someone else's incompetence" is a horrible way of putting it. You could just as well say that he (initially) benefited from someone else's competence. He's clearly upset that he has to travel to participate, and I can understand that, given that he qualified for "WCS NA". However, with the new merged system, WCS NA is more or less just an American qualifier for WCS Global, which is not necessarily in America. BUT, I will say that it is very very silly to have it so that some players play in America, while others play in Europe, without any warning of which one you will get beforehand. The location of a tournament should be clear and disclosed way before "qualifiers" happen for it. People still do need to plan things. | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On January 28 2015 08:21 boxerfred wrote: while i get his point, i think you can't commit to both fully, so he has to get his priorities straight. I agree. At a certain point they have to stop taking everyone's preferences into account and just get on with things. If you know up front that you can't travel to a place and also know up front that there's a 50/50 chance that *have* to travel to that place for the tournament, I feel you maybe should've taken that into account in your decision to participate at all. It's not like any of this is a surprise. It's the same choice the Asian, Australian, and SA guys have, either travel or don't compete. That being said, I think all the practical things could've been decided a heck of a lot sooner, so players get more of a chance to organize their life around WCS is they decide to participate in it. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18452 Posts
On January 28 2015 08:36 Thax wrote: I agree. At a certain point they have to stop taking everyone's preferences into account and just get on with things. If you know up front that you can't travel to a place and also know up front that there's a 50/50 chance that *have* to travel to that place for the tournament, I feel you maybe should've taken that into account in your decision to participate at all. It's not like any of this is a surprise. It's the same choice the Asian, Australian, and SA guys have, either travel or don't compete. That being said, I think all the practical things could've been decided a heck of a lot sooner, so players get more of a chance to organize their life around WCS is they decide to participate in it. Suppy isn't going to lose anything by forfeiting. He gets his 4.5k. And WCS has suddenly a three man group, less viewers, less streamtime. This only hurts one side and its not the player's side | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On January 28 2015 08:38 sharkie wrote: Suppy isn't going to lose anything by forfeiting. He gets his 4.5k. And WCS has suddenly a three man group, less viewers, less streamtime. This only hurts one side and its not the player's side Then why is he complaining? Don't be disingenuous. Also, there's the option of replacing drop outs. | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On January 28 2015 08:40 Boucot wrote: While I understand Suppy's frustration, I think players should not be allowed to choose where they want to play, at all. WCS is the most professional SC2 western league in the world, it's not ESL's role to adapt to school schedules. The only issue they should handle is visas, that's all. Exactly. | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
On January 28 2015 08:26 Ragnarork wrote: Wait this will be offline? did you feel like it was a joke too ? It felt that way to me too ahah. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18452 Posts
On January 28 2015 08:40 Thax wrote: Then why is he complaining? Don't be disingenuous. Also, there's the option of replacing drop outs. Ehh if I were in the players' position I'd handle this exactly like ESL did. Notify of dropping out a few hours before the actual match.  Give them a taste of their own medicine. | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On January 28 2015 08:43 sharkie wrote: Ehh if I were in the players' position I'd handle this exactly like ESL did. Notify of dropping out a few hours before the actual match. Give them a taste of their own medicine. Now who's being unprofessional and disappointing viewers? I also fail to see how ESL did anything "a few hours before the match". | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On January 28 2015 08:40 Boucot wrote: While I understand Suppy's frustration, I think players should not be allowed to choose where they want to play, at all. WCS is the most professional SC2 western league in the world, it's not ESL's role to adapt to school schedules. The only issue they should handle is visas, that's all. Agree 100%. | ||
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Rehio
United States1718 Posts
On January 28 2015 08:46 Thax wrote: Now who's being unprofessional and disappointing viewers? I also fail to see how ESL did anything "a few hours before the match". Probably just referencing how rushed and disorganized this entire WCS season feels. It's like they're doing everything last minute. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18452 Posts
On January 28 2015 08:46 Thax wrote: Now who's being unprofessional and disappointing viewers? I also fail to see how ESL did anything "a few hours before the match". It wasn't to be taken literally. I am just honestly so disappointed how they work on this tournament. It's a disgrace of the esports scene. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
which is still hilarious regarding kane situation. | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On January 28 2015 08:52 Rehio wrote: Probably just referencing how rushed and disorganized this entire WCS season feels. It's like they're doing everything last minute. That I do agree with. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12267 Posts
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ReaperSC2
Finland18 Posts
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Topin
Peru10082 Posts
On January 28 2015 08:40 Boucot wrote: While I understand Suppy's frustration, I think players should not be allowed to choose where they want to play, at all. WCS is the most professional SC2 western league in the world, it's not ESL's role to adapt to school schedules. The only issue they should handle is visas, that's all. 100% this | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19267 Posts
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elfonse
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
On January 28 2015 09:32 BisuDagger wrote: Lots of TL players and in separate groups. It's perfect. spoiler : They all lose | ||
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ivancype
Brazil485 Posts
Suppy is essentially complaining he run out of luck. Because that is how he got to play in US in the first draw, luck. | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
On January 28 2015 09:53 ivancype wrote: If you enter the competition you should accept the fact that there is a chance to play in Germany or US. Yes, someone made a mistake in the first draw, ESL had to correct it and they did. Suppy is essentially complaining he run out of luck. Because that is how he got to play in US in the first draw, luck. I'm complaining because I requested NA before premier was drawn and they told me they'd try their best. I was then told that I was to play in the US studio which I was ecstatic about. Then, because someone made a mistake, they redrew and made me in EU instead. That is a mistake I had absolutely nothing to do with but now I might not be able to play at all. With WCS this year I wasn't even aware that there would be two studios until after my challenger match. Even if it was luck that I drew the U.S. studio the first time I shouldn't have to lose that because someone else made a mistake. | ||
Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On January 28 2015 09:32 BisuDagger wrote: Lots of TL players and in separate groups. It's perfect. MaNa & Bunny in group B ^^ | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On January 28 2015 09:58 Superiorwolf wrote: I'm complaining because I requested NA before premier was drawn and they told me they'd try their best. I was then told that I was to play in the US studio which I was ecstatic about. Then, because someone made a mistake, they redrew and made me in EU instead. That is a mistake I had absolutely nothing to do with but now I might not be able to play at all. With WCS this year I wasn't even aware that there would be two studios until after my challenger match. Even if it was luck that I drew the U.S. studio the first time I shouldn't have to lose that because someone else made a mistake. How do you explain that a random SC2 viewer like me was aware of that and not you ? | ||
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followZeRoX
Serbia1451 Posts
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Wijnruit
Brazil294 Posts
Happy, KaneGroup B: Bunny, MaNaGroup C: Polt, JimGroup D: ForGG, SenGroup E: Snute, uThermalGroup F: Hydra, MorroWGroup G: NaNiwa, HasGroup H: Welmu, iaguz | ||
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90ti
United States100 Posts
On January 28 2015 09:58 Superiorwolf wrote: I'm complaining because I requested NA before premier was drawn and they told me they'd try their best. I was then told that I was to play in the US studio which I was ecstatic about. Then, because someone made a mistake, they redrew and made me in EU instead. That is a mistake I had absolutely nothing to do with but now I might not be able to play at all. With WCS this year I wasn't even aware that there would be two studios until after my challenger match. Even if it was luck that I drew the U.S. studio the first time I shouldn't have to lose that because someone else made a mistake. I hope you and Kane are able to work out something with ESL, because the whole redraw in itself was unprofessional and it appears they only considered the china players in terms of travel. | ||
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
On January 28 2015 10:05 Boucot wrote: How do you explain that a random SC2 viewer like me was aware of that and not you ? Well I do see it now on the WCS 2015 announcement which I must have missed previously. Of course that is my fault but when it was announced I was still relatively inactive and very busy getting back into schoolwork after a year off so I wasn't as attentive as normal. | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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ivancype
Brazil485 Posts
On January 28 2015 09:58 Superiorwolf wrote: I'm complaining because I requested NA before premier was drawn and they told me they'd try their best. I was then told that I was to play in the US studio which I was ecstatic about. Then, because someone made a mistake, they redrew and made me in EU instead. That is a mistake I had absolutely nothing to do with but now I might not be able to play at all. With WCS this year I wasn't even aware that there would be two studios until after my challenger match. Even if it was luck that I drew the U.S. studio the first time I shouldn't have to lose that because someone else made a mistake. Blizzard announced the U.S./Germany thing the day they announced the new WCS. http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/2015-starcraft-ii-world-championship-series And I am sorry Suppy, after all these broken promises you have good reason to be sad and angry, but i still think what I said is valid. Hope this situation is fixed and you are able to play and I will cheer for you then. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
On January 28 2015 10:23 ivancype wrote: Blizzard announced the U.S./Germany thing the day they announced the new WCS. http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/2015-starcraft-ii-world-championship-series And I am sorry Suppy, after all these broken promises you have good reason to be sad and angry, but i still think what I said is valid. Hope this situation is fixed and you are able to play and I will cheer for you then. Just wanted to say that I agree with you 100%. ESL screwed up their first draw very obviously on stream (when I saw the smiley face on the back of Naniwa's card and then heard Nathanias say, "Oh I'll just ignore it," I was dumbstruck because it's SO unprofessional.) Quite simply, it is impossible to perform a fair random drawing if you have extra information about one of the cards you could draw. I would expect that kind of messed up drawing from people who don't know what they're doing, not a professional organization like ESL. Just to clarify, I don't blame Nathan, he was doing his best in a bad situation, but I do blame whoever organized that draw. Redrawing was the only correct decision under the circumstances. As for Suppy's position, I do think that he has reason to be upset. Being told that you will play in USA and then switched to Germany a day later because someone ELSE screwed up must be enormously frustrating. Nevertheless, despite the numerous organizational flaws from Blizzard and ESL (map pools, the first drawing, dates announced so late), the fact that a qualified player will play in either Germany or USA, selected by random chance, was made clear to ALL of us several weeks ago. Suppy got lucky the first draw and unlucky the second. But he knew that he might be forced to make this choice a while ago, and, quite simply, he must decide whether school or WCS is more important to him. He has to figure out how to balance the two in his life. It is a choice he must make for himself. | ||
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Koromon
United States304 Posts
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
On January 28 2015 10:47 Koromon wrote: Sick, Happy only has 1 matchup to practice for Happy was in the group with ForGG AND Polt lol, good redraw for him | ||
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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
Suppy and Kane.My predictions (without considering possible or probable travelling and Visa problems): Happy Kane > TargA PiGMajOr viOLet > Bunny MaNaPolt Jim > Kelazhur TLOForGG Sen > puCK FireCakeSnute Astrea > XiGua uThermalHydra ShoWTimE > MorroW iAsonuNaNiwa Serral > Suppy HasHuK iaguz > MacSed Welmu | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Winner: ForGG! You went from a group with Polt and two guys who actually did decent against Korean Terrans to a group with FireCake. Everyone already expects you to be one of the top finishers this season, but now you have a group that's essentially just a chance for you to show off and demand a raise from Millenium. Loser: Violet. You had some mid-level foreigners in your old group, and also Morrow. Now you have two of the best foreign Terrans and a not-too-shabby Mana, and your roommate will be practicing all three matchups. Getting moved to business class on your flight is one thing. Getting moved to business class from first class is something very different. Winner: Catz! Your loss to Kelazhur meant didn't quite make into Premier, but you don't have a teamkill anymore! Iaguz and Hydra were split up, and neither of them are with Astrea! And while Astrea is probably considered an underdog in his group, Hydra's one of the top overall players, Iaguz has only one matchup to practice, and Astrea could still surprise people, because that man has never taken a third nexus in his LIFE. Also, yet again - the dude's name is Max Angel. El Cpitain's got it good. Loser: Nazgul. Dude, how in the hell do you manage this? Liquid already HAD its requisite teamkill, now Bunny and Mana are in the same group together. Yes, it's a group stage, so theoretically they could both get out, but the other two players are Major and a Korean. Meanwhile, TLO is matched up with Top 2 players of three different regions, and while Snute's group is...sorry, hold that thought, my HTC phone is ringing. Winner: Literally every viewer! FireCake went from three ZvP opponents to one. For once, an ESL event might wind up not having unexpected delays. Loser: Germany. One of the great joys of WCS is the ability for viewers all over the world to have a local hero to cheer for, and with the ESL Studios in Cologne broadcasting four groups, this is the perfect opportunity for the German fans to support both of their own boys. So I'd imagine this conversation happened somewhere: "What? The German player was drawn into an American group? Which one? ...BOTH of them? Donnerwetter!" (Note: I had to Google the proper spelling of Donnerwetter.) This has been Winners and Losers, WCS Re-Draw Edition. | ||
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AKAvg
Brazil298 Posts
Just when I wanted to see in what kind of group a player from LA, and brazilian nonetheless, (Mexico doesn't count) got into... Hmmm Guess I can root for him, at least. | ||
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Jornada
United States223 Posts
Gonna be a crazy year for Starcraft Hype Train! | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
POLT AND FORGG ARENT IN THE SAME GROUP! | ||
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Schmied
Russian Federation3 Posts
On January 28 2015 07:46 swag_bro wrote: My predictions: Kane, TargA, PiG, Happy - This group was very easy in terms of who will get out of the group. I chose Kane because he is just better than the other three. The 2nd person who will make it out of this group is a little more difficult to pick. I chose PiG because I feel that he is a very great Terran. How many players can proudly say that they defeated NesTea, a three time GSL winner and the most accomplished Zerg in SC2 to date? Not many people can make that claim. I normally would pick Happy, but he is a known cheater ever since the whole stream cheating on the Russian stream thing. I used to give Happy the benefit of the doubt for not being able to reproduce his online results offline. viOLet, Bunny, MajOr, MaNa - viOLet is Korean playing against some Europeans and North Americans. Enough said. I didn't pick MajOr because he most likely will not even show up. Otherwise, I would pick him since he has winning records against top Koreans such as Polt. It was hard to pick either MaNa or Bunny, so I went with Bunny. Bunny's form has been better than MaNa's, despite his inability to beat easy opponents. Actually, with Bunny's form these days, he might actually win a PREMIER tournament. Polt, TLO, Kelazhur, Jim - Polt is clearly superior to the other three players in this group. The person who might make it in 2nd place can either be TLO or Jim. TLO is well known by the SC2 community for being inconsistent so I will go with Jim. He is consistent enough and has some weird Chinese builds to back him up. puCK, ForGG, Firecake, Sen - First place will obviously be fOrGG. The man beat Life, the WCS Finals 2014 champion, fresh off of his win. fOrGG is the best player out of any of these players right now. The next player to leave this group will be Sen. Sen is just looking too solid these days to lose to Firecake or... puCK. Astrea, Snute, uThermal, XiGua - This group is just too easy to predict. Snute and XiGua, in that order. Snute is a tournament winner and XiGua is a WCG runner up. These players' achievements simply can't be ignored. BUT I can kind of see an Astrea beating Snute AND XiGua since he, after all, managed to beat Scarlett, the best foreign Zerg in the world if it was not for her wrists. Hydra, ShoWTimE, MorroW, iAsonu - Hydra because he is Korean. Morrow is an IEM champion, and defeating Idra at that. Morrow will definitely make it out of this group. His play is too solid compared to the other foreigners. Suppy, NaNiwa, Serral, Has - NaNiwa is the best foreigner in the world right now. There is nobody else, besides Stephano, who can suddenly come out of retirement and make it to premier without practice. Naniwa truly has the SC2 gift that all other players want. Although I think fOrGG will win this WCS, I think that NaNiwa will take second place losing 3-4 by some weird SCV pull from fOrGG. Second will probably be Has. Chinese players are almost as good as Koreans therefore being better than other foreigners. HuK, Welmu, Iaguz, MacSed - Despite what people say about HuK being a washed up has been, he is still a top 5 foreigner. That is why he will make it out. 1,2 for Welmu, 3,4 for Iaguz, 5,6 for MacSed. I rolled a 2 on my dice. Welmu it is. Pig is Terran. Is it joke or smth else? | ||
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w3c.TruE
Czech Republic1055 Posts
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Kharnage
Australia920 Posts
GO PIG! Iaguz got the all TvP group. Dude is going to smash face. This is going to be AWESOME!!! | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
Happy / KaneBunny / MajOrPolt / JimForGG / SenSnute / XiGuaHydra / iAsonuNaNiwa / HasMacSed / HuK5  6 5  | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
Serral vs Naniwa Finland vs Sweden This is going is be guud :D | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
On January 28 2015 15:30 showstealer1829 wrote: Isn't it a little weird that the studio placements of this supposedly global (except for Korea) tourney is 7-1 EU? Did you not read the OP? All 4 groups with a Chinese player are in Burbank. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7119 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On January 28 2015 08:40 Boucot wrote: While I understand Suppy's frustration, I think players should not be allowed to choose where they want to play, at all. WCS is the most professional SC2 western league in the world, it's not ESL's role to adapt to school schedules. The only issue they should handle is visas, that's all. I would so love to see you and the horde of your apparent followers (because every second great mind in this thread feels it necessary to agree with this nonsense) trying to play SC2 on a top competitive level. You would make an opinion U-turn faster than you can say "entitled discussion hero". Seriously, this shit has to STOP. The players are not our slaves. Their sole purpose in life is not to entertain us. It is a shitty thing to require unconditional commitment even from real professional athletes without regard to the fact that they are also living and feeling people, and it's incomparably more shittier to behave this way towards people who don't get paid exorbitant amounts of money - or often almost any money at all. ESL, Blizzard, whoever - and also us as for our part in making the public opinion - should support first and foremost the ability of young players to study alongside their "gaming career", because THAT'S WHAT'S FUCKING GOOD FOR THOSE PPLAYERS. How can you even call yourself somebody's "fan" if you don't want then to have a real future when they quit playing videogames? As I already have said in the other thread, if you are willing to only watch competition between fully commited full-time professionals, get prepared to see the same like 5 people that the foreign scene is actually able to pay for over and over again. In the meanwhile, please stop behaving like an asshole towards people who work hard to entertain you while you are NOT paying them anything. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On January 28 2015 16:36 opisska wrote: I would so love to see you and the horde of your apparent followers (because every second great mind in this thread feels it necessary to agree with this nonsense) trying to play SC2 on a top competitive level. You would make an opinion U-turn faster than you can say "entitled discussion hero". Seriously, this shit has to STOP. The players are not our slaves. Their sole purpose in life is not to entertain us. It is a shitty thing to require unconditional commitment even from real professional athletes without regard to the fact that they are also living and feeling people, and it's incomparably more shittier to behave this way towards people who don't get paid exorbitant amounts of money - or often almost any money at all. ESL, Blizzard, whoever - and also us as for our part in making the public opinion - should support first and foremost the ability of young players to study alongside their "gaming career", because THAT'S WHAT'S FUCKING GOOD FOR THOSE PPLAYERS. How can you even call yourself somebody's "fan" if you don't want then to have a real future when they quit playing videogames? As I already have said in the other thread, if you are willing to only watch competition between fully commited full-time professionals, get prepared to see the same like 5 people that the foreign scene is actually able to pay for over and over again. In the meanwhile, please stop behaving like an asshole towards people who work hard to entertain you while you are NOT paying them anything. Not to mention that other sports do this all the time when scheduling. Admittedly it's harder for something like sc2 than a league where you know all the teams/players well in advance but if possible you should try to work out constraints the contestants have. Naturally there is a point where this isn't possible but if there was a way to seed suppy in NA without screwing over the draw then he should have been imo. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On January 28 2015 17:04 gruff wrote: Not to mention that other sports do this all the time when scheduling. Admittedly it's harder for something like sc2 than a league where you know all the teams/players well in advance but if possible you should try to work out constraints the contestants have. Naturally there is a point where this isn't possible but if there was a way to seed suppy in NA without screwing over the draw then he should have been imo. Yes, and we'll create a wonderful metagame, in which players can specify the studio they want to play in hopes of dodging a particular player. | ||
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klup
France612 Posts
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FireCake
151 Posts
I would have been doomed if they decide to send me in US... edit : FireCake's dream is not over yet. Nobody predicted me to win against Starbuck. I will surprise you again. | ||
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
On January 28 2015 17:35 FireCake wrote: Did they explained why they have put Mana and Happy in the pool of visa consideration and did not care about suppy visa problem? I would have been doomed if they decide to send me in US... edit : FireCake's dream is not over yet. Nobody predicted me to win against Starbuck. I will surprise you again. Actually 527 out of 1277 betters did. | ||
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tar
Germany991 Posts
On January 28 2015 13:33 Circumstance wrote: [...] Loser: Germany. One of the great joys of WCS is the ability for viewers all over the world to have a local hero to cheer for, and with the ESL Studios in Cologne broadcasting four groups, this is the perfect opportunity for the German fans to support both of their own boys. So I'd imagine this conversation happened somewhere: "What? The German player was drawn into an American group? Which one? ...BOTH of them? Donnerwetter!" (Note: I had to Google the proper spelling of Donnerwetter.) This has been Winners and Losers, WCS Re-Draw Edition. Donnerwetter! ... That's so dated, in a lovely way  | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On January 28 2015 17:35 FireCake wrote: Did they explained why they have put Mana and Happy in the pool of visa consideration and did not care about suppy visa problem? I would have been doomed if they decide to send me in US... edit : FireCake's dream is not over yet. Nobody predicted me to win against Starbuck. I will surprise you again. Suppy has no visa problems, his problems are because of studies. I think you are referring to Kane. | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On January 28 2015 07:41 Teapea wrote: He said something like you he can only be 90 days in EU every 180 days.. And he was in EU for 90 days just, and left in December. So he can't enter EU. That doesn't seem right though..? First of all, Canadians having problems with Visas to EU seems really weird, basically anyone and their grandmother can get Visas to EU. Sure, maybe not working visas, but do you really need that? Second of all, as far as I know, he was in Switzerland. Switzerland is not part of EU while Germany is. There should be different visas to Switzerland and to Germany. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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katana-0815
Germany2 Posts
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tar
Germany991 Posts
On January 28 2015 18:35 Ammanas wrote: That doesn't seem right though..? First of all, Canadians having problems with Visas to EU seems really weird, basically anyone and their grandmother can get Visas to EU. Sure, maybe not working visas, but do you really need that? Second of all, as far as I know, he was in Switzerland. Switzerland is not part of EU while Germany is. There should be different visas to Switzerland and to Germany. The usual 90 days visa can only be obtained once in 6 months and since Switzerland is part of the Schengen Agreement, it does not matter where (within the Schengen region) the visa was issued. | ||
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klup
France612 Posts
On January 28 2015 17:35 FireCake wrote: Did they explained why they have put Mana and Happy in the pool of visa consideration and did not care about suppy visa problem? I would have been doomed if they decide to send me in US... edit : FireCake's dream is not over yet. Nobody predicted me to win against Starbuck. I will surprise you again. I was talking about the dream of watching you spooning 3 protoss to death in a row with SH for the longest WCS group to date where casters should rotate to entertain us for the 10-ish hours of SH-spooning. (you should have lost in winner bracket though) I am just less confident for you to obtain a stalemate state of the game in TvZ than in TvP where you have shown us that you were the best at it. For ZvZ I have enough Stephano stream to convince me that you can stalemate for more than 2 hours. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 28 2015 17:04 gruff wrote: Not to mention that other sports do this all the time when scheduling. Admittedly it's harder for something like sc2 than a league where you know all the teams/players well in advance but if possible you should try to work out constraints the contestants have. Naturally there is a point where this isn't possible but if there was a way to seed suppy in NA without screwing over the draw then he should have been imo. I wholeheartedly agree with those two comments. I mean yes, ideally, players should be able to schedule school/professional obligations with their pro carreer. But that would require, at first, having an exact and known well in advance schedule for WCS, which Blizzard still refuses to do despite GSL doing it. How are you supposed to schedule your obligations around a tournament in which the dates are known one or two weeks before? In any "real" sport, the dates at which big tournaments happen are known several months, at least, before the competition happens. The first part of supporting a pro scene is supporting the players that are part of it. On January 28 2015 17:20 JustPassingBy wrote: Yes, and we'll create a wonderful metagame, in which players can specify the studio they want to play in hopes of dodging a particular player. Yeah, God forbid we verify the players' claims, right? | ||
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MavivaM
1535 Posts
On January 28 2015 17:35 FireCake wrote: Did they explained why they have put Mana and Happy in the pool of visa consideration and did not care about suppy visa problem? I would have been doomed if they decide to send me in US... edit : FireCake's dream is not over yet. Nobody predicted me to win against Starbuck. I will surprise you again. Please be gentle, oh mighty SH one. | ||
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Supersamu
Germany296 Posts
On January 28 2015 08:03 SuperHofmann wrote: https://twitter.com/EGSuppy/status/560209759778144257 https://twitter.com/EGSuppy/status/560210053211619328 I'm sad Is he complaining here that the first draw put him in a group that would have played in the U.S. and the second draw put him in a group that will play in Europe? I thought the first draw could have put him in a group that played in Europe as well, it was just the luck of the draw that prevented that. If so, this "complain" makes no sense and is an advocate of teaching logic in school. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12267 Posts
On January 28 2015 16:36 opisska wrote: I would so love to see you and the horde of your apparent followers (because every second great mind in this thread feels it necessary to agree with this nonsense) trying to play SC2 on a top competitive level. You would make an opinion U-turn faster than you can say "entitled discussion hero". Seriously, this shit has to STOP. The players are not our slaves. It's never been shocking to anyone that players from SEA or China had to travel to USA to play in WCS the last two years. Suddenly people from USA or Europe have to travel a bit as well and that makes us slave traders? Please consider what you're saying.... | ||
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
On January 28 2015 18:35 Ammanas wrote: That doesn't seem right though..? First of all, Canadians having problems with Visas to EU seems really weird, basically anyone and their grandmother can get Visas to EU. Sure, maybe not working visas, but do you really need that? Second of all, as far as I know, he was in Switzerland. Switzerland is not part of EU while Germany is. There should be different visas to Switzerland and to Germany. EU so complcated ~ I remember being in thailand and wanting to go to laos. Gave then 500 bath and boom instant visa :D | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On January 28 2015 07:46 swag_bro wrote: + Show Spoiler + My predictions: Kane, TargA, PiG, Happy - This group was very easy in terms of who will get out of the group. I chose Kane because he is just better than the other three. The 2nd person who will make it out of this group is a little more difficult to pick. I chose PiG because I feel that he is a very great Terran. How many players can proudly say that they defeated NesTea, a three time GSL winner and the most accomplished Zerg in SC2 to date? Not many people can make that claim. I normally would pick Happy, but he is a known cheater ever since the whole stream cheating on the Russian stream thing. I used to give Happy the benefit of the doubt for not being able to reproduce his online results offline. viOLet, Bunny, MajOr, MaNa - viOLet is Korean playing against some Europeans and North Americans. Enough said. I didn't pick MajOr because he most likely will not even show up. Otherwise, I would pick him since he has winning records against top Koreans such as Polt. It was hard to pick either MaNa or Bunny, so I went with Bunny. Bunny's form has been better than MaNa's, despite his inability to beat easy opponents. Actually, with Bunny's form these days, he might actually win a PREMIER tournament. Polt, TLO, Kelazhur, Jim - Polt is clearly superior to the other three players in this group. The person who might make it in 2nd place can either be TLO or Jim. TLO is well known by the SC2 community for being inconsistent so I will go with Jim. He is consistent enough and has some weird Chinese builds to back him up. puCK, ForGG, Firecake, Sen - First place will obviously be fOrGG. The man beat Life, the WCS Finals 2014 champion, fresh off of his win. fOrGG is the best player out of any of these players right now. The next player to leave this group will be Sen. Sen is just looking too solid these days to lose to Firecake or... puCK. Astrea, Snute, uThermal, XiGua - This group is just too easy to predict. Snute and XiGua, in that order. Snute is a tournament winner and XiGua is a WCG runner up. These players' achievements simply can't be ignored. BUT I can kind of see an Astrea beating Snute AND XiGua since he, after all, managed to beat Scarlett, the best foreign Zerg in the world if it was not for her wrists. Hydra, ShoWTimE, MorroW, iAsonu - Hydra because he is Korean. Morrow is an IEM champion, and defeating Idra at that. Morrow will definitely make it out of this group. His play is too solid compared to the other foreigners. Suppy, NaNiwa, Serral, Has - NaNiwa is the best foreigner in the world right now. There is nobody else, besides Stephano, who can suddenly come out of retirement and make it to premier without practice. Naniwa truly has the SC2 gift that all other players want. Although I think fOrGG will win this WCS, I think that NaNiwa will take second place losing 3-4 by some weird SCV pull from fOrGG. Second will probably be Has. Chinese players are almost as good as Koreans therefore being better than other foreigners. HuK, Welmu, Iaguz, MacSed - Despite what people say about HuK being a washed up has been, he is still a top 5 foreigner. That is why he will make it out. 1,2 for Welmu, 3,4 for Iaguz, 5,6 for MacSed. I rolled a 2 on my dice. Welmu it is. long live swag bro | ||
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marcussc2brasil
Brazil36 Posts
Probably, but still rooting for him! | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 28 2015 23:03 Schelim wrote: so apparently this format is completely different from last year. would someone please be so kind and shoot a guy that hasn't been following sc2 for a while now a link or something so i can see what the hell is going on? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series (basically : 2 premier leagues in Korea, GSL Code S + Naver Starcraft 2 Starleague (organized by SpoTV). WCS AM and EU merged into one WCS, with a limited amount of spots for each region ; addition of a region lock with residency requirements (visa or ForGG rule) which results in only 4 Koreans in Season 1 of WCS (Polt, ViOlet, ForGG, Hydra), to whom you can add JaeDong and StarDust next season ; Season finals for WCS are done in a real venue instead of ESL's studio). | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12267 Posts
On January 28 2015 23:07 OtherWorld wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series Btw I highly doubt we'll see a foreigner at Blizzcon. And that will be glorious. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 28 2015 23:10 Nebuchad wrote: Btw I highly doubt we'll see a foreigner at Blizzcon. And that will be glorious. Unless one foreigner does at least Ro4 in each WCS season and grabs some points from DH/IEM events, I think so too. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On January 28 2015 07:46 swag_bro wrote: My predictions: Kane, TargA, PiG, Happy - This group was very easy in terms of who will get out of the group. I chose Kane because he is just better than the other three. The 2nd person who will make it out of this group is a little more difficult to pick. I chose PiG because I feel that he is a very great Terran. How many players can proudly say that they defeated NesTea, a three time GSL winner and the most accomplished Zerg in SC2 to date? Not many people can make that claim. I normally would pick Happy, but he is a known cheater ever since the whole stream cheating on the Russian stream thing. I used to give Happy the benefit of the doubt for not being able to reproduce his online results offline. Why isn't this warned... Trolling has its limits | ||
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sharkie
Austria18452 Posts
On January 28 2015 23:10 Nebuchad wrote: Btw I highly doubt we'll see a foreigner at Blizzcon. And that will be glorious. Naniwa is back, dont be so sure. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On January 28 2015 20:20 Nebuchad wrote: It's never been shocking to anyone that players from SEA or China had to travel to USA to play in WCS the last two years. Suddenly people from USA or Europe have to travel a bit as well and that makes us slave traders? Please consider what you're saying.... Is this a TL-wide hobby now or what? I mean taking sequences from context and arguing in a completely tangential direction.I spoke against that we are entitled to require this and that from the players and that if they fail to oblige, they are not considered worthy of the majestic WCS competition, how can you drive from that the idea that I said "forcing players to travel is like slavery" is beyond me. The fact that SEA and China players have had to travel to the US is also pretty stupid, but it's kind of the reality of life. And in fact, in the past, we have seen them being repeatedly screwed over by idiotic US immigration laws and I was usually at the first page saying how idiotic that is. But I must admit that I don't see much of a solution for that, as simply the market is what it is and it is quite difficult to make it otherwise and bypassing the US soil altogether just because the country is run based on opinions of redneck morons who believe that everybody and their mother want to steal their extremely valuable corn-raising jobs or make a terrorist attack on their hay memorials is not a very profitable option. But this WCS Global nonsense is something different, it is screwing with the players on purpose to make it more "fun", it;s really nothing else, there is fucking reason not to let people play where they want beyond "uuuhhh, but I feeeeeel like doing it thiissss way and I am so fucking important". OK, then there is Ro16 that will be played on one place anyway, but that's so much more money and prestige and also it's one problem instead of two. So yes, the world is not fucking perfect, but can we at least not make it worse just because of our whim? This discussion has really disgusted me. Yes, there are some reasonable people and most of the people holding the idiotic opinion express themselves pretty moderately, but that doesn't make it less idiotic. I just can't comprehend how this place is full of the most dedicated fans of this and that players, but catering TO THE PLAYERS is seen as the second worse thing after Holocaust. The reason why this makes me so angry is that this kind of hypocrisy lurks here for years and nobody gives a shit. At the end, it's the same vomit as all this "professionalism" bullshit, when people require players to act as soulless robots, because they are offended by a farting rabbit, so hearing a teenager act like he is not a bag of artificially intelligent poop in a uniform is something totally unthinkable for them and they DEMAND action and EMAIL the sponsors and do all this self-indulging super-important shit that in fact just means that they are overgrown crybabies who need their mummy to beat the other child for them ... with absolute disregard for the fact that the actors in this whole theater are people with feelings, emotions and free will and that these are the very same people they are supposed to cheer for. TL;DR: if you ever feel like saying anything along the lines of "Player X should rather behave like Y, because me wants that", why don't you rather go outside and sodomize yourself with a traffic light, because I want that? | ||
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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On January 28 2015 23:07 OtherWorld wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series (basically : 2 premier leagues in Korea, GSL Code S + Naver Starcraft 2 Starleague (organized by SpoTV). WCS AM and EU merged into one WCS, with a limited amount of spots for each region ; addition of a region lock with residency requirements (visa or ForGG rule) which results in only 4 Koreans in Season 1 of WCS (Polt, ViOlet, ForGG, Hydra), to whom you can add JaeDong and StarDust next season ; Season finals for WCS are done in a real venue instead of ESL's studio). thanks bro, that cleared things up for me. it's kinda weird, but it's good to know | ||
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ilovegroov
357 Posts
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On January 28 2015 18:35 Ammanas wrote: That doesn't seem right though..? First of all, Canadians having problems with Visas to EU seems really weird, basically anyone and their grandmother can get Visas to EU. Sure, maybe not working visas, but do you really need that? Second of all, as far as I know, he was in Switzerland. Switzerland is not part of EU while Germany is. There should be different visas to Switzerland and to Germany. You do not know alot about Schengenraum, do you? | ||
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Wijnruit
Brazil294 Posts
On January 28 2015 23:57 Schelim wrote: thanks bro, that cleared things up for me. it's kinda weird, but it's good to know Heart will also play in WCS qualifiers next season. He is attending college in Taiwan and living there, only flying to Korea to his GSL matches. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 29 2015 00:44 Wijnruit wrote: Heart will also play in WCS qualifiers next season. He is attending college in Taiwan and living there, only flying to Korea to his GSL matches. Oh yeah I totally forgot about him. KingkOng qualifying next season is also a possibility, which would put the number of Koreans in WCS at eight. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On January 29 2015 00:53 OtherWorld wrote: Oh yeah I totally forgot about him. KingkOng qualifying next season is also a possibility, which would put the number of Koreans in WCS at eight. Besides, the possibility of TANGTANG realizing the extent of his cult outside of Korea should not be dismissed lightly | ||
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Corvuuss
Austria354 Posts
Group 1: Kane, TargA , PiG Happy Group 2: I have no idea and everyone of them could come out (but I think MaNa will be last)Group 3: Polt, TLO , Jim, Kelazhur -- But this may be because I like TLGroup 4: puCK, ForGG , FireCake, Sen Group 5: Astrea, Snute, uThermal XiGuaGroup 6: Hydra, ShoWTimE , MorroW, iAsonuGroup 7: Suppy, NaNiwa, Serral , HasGroup 8: HuK , Welmu, iaguz, MacSed -- Not sure About the finn and the chineese Players thoughAlso pls do well EU players so we can still say EU > NA 6 4 4 2 | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12267 Posts
On January 28 2015 23:37 opisska wrote: Is this a TL-wide hobby now or what? I mean taking sequences from context and arguing in a completely tangential direction.I spoke against that we are entitled to require this and that from the players and that if they fail to oblige, they are not considered worthy of the majestic WCS competition, how can you drive from that the idea that I said "forcing players to travel is like slavery" is beyond me. The fact that SEA and China players have had to travel to the US is also pretty stupid, but it's kind of the reality of life. And in fact, in the past, we have seen them being repeatedly screwed over by idiotic US immigration laws and I was usually at the first page saying how idiotic that is. But I must admit that I don't see much of a solution for that, as simply the market is what it is and it is quite difficult to make it otherwise and bypassing the US soil altogether just because the country is run based on opinions of redneck morons who believe that everybody and their mother want to steal their extremely valuable corn-raising jobs or make a terrorist attack on their hay memorials is not a very profitable option. But this WCS Global nonsense is something different, it is screwing with the players on purpose to make it more "fun", it;s really nothing else, there is fucking reason not to let people play where they want beyond "uuuhhh, but I feeeeeel like doing it thiissss way and I am so fucking important". OK, then there is Ro16 that will be played on one place anyway, but that's so much more money and prestige and also it's one problem instead of two. So yes, the world is not fucking perfect, but can we at least not make it worse just because of our whim? This discussion has really disgusted me. Yes, there are some reasonable people and most of the people holding the idiotic opinion express themselves pretty moderately, but that doesn't make it less idiotic. I just can't comprehend how this place is full of the most dedicated fans of this and that players, but catering TO THE PLAYERS is seen as the second worse thing after Holocaust. The reason why this makes me so angry is that this kind of hypocrisy lurks here for years and nobody gives a shit. At the end, it's the same vomit as all this "professionalism" bullshit, when people require players to act as soulless robots, because they are offended by a farting rabbit, so hearing a teenager act like he is not a bag of artificially intelligent poop in a uniform is something totally unthinkable for them and they DEMAND action and EMAIL the sponsors and do all this self-indulging super-important shit that in fact just means that they are overgrown crybabies who need their mummy to beat the other child for them ... with absolute disregard for the fact that the actors in this whole theater are people with feelings, emotions and free will and that these are the very same people they are supposed to cheer for. TL;DR: if you ever feel like saying anything along the lines of "Player X should rather behave like Y, because me wants that", why don't you rather go outside and sodomize yourself with a traffic light, because I want that? Dude you're jumping at me for using the words you used. If you don't want to talk about slavery, don't bring it up. The core problem with what you said isn't your choice of words, however, it's that the complaint doesn't make sense in the context of starcraft gaming. People have had to travel to play starcraft competitively for ages, mostly to Korea, Europe and America. Notice the epic double standard that when it happens to others, it's the "reality of life", but suddenly now that it happens in America and Europe it's something unbearable? Well no, it's the "reality of life" in this case as well, I'm going to keep my coherent world view on the subject and treat everyone equally, thanks. You blaming me for doing that is both sad and hilarious. | ||
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Wijnruit
Brazil294 Posts
On January 29 2015 00:53 OtherWorld wrote: Oh yeah I totally forgot about him. KingkOng qualifying next season is also a possibility, which would put the number of Koreans in WCS at eight. I would be totally ok if all eight qualify to next WCS Season. Kinda out of this discussion, but am I the only one that thinks China should have 2 spots in premier instead of 4 and Europe 16 instead of 14? In the old WCS AM Challenger Qualifiers Taiwan, China and Oceania/SEA had the same amount of spots in challenger (3), why does china have 2 more than the rest now? | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:13 Wijnruit wrote: I would be totally ok if all eight qualify to next WCS Season. Kinda out of this discussion, but am I the only one that thinks China should have 2 spots in premier instead of 4 and Europe 16 instead of 14? In the old WCS AM Challenger Qualifiers Taiwan, China and Oceania/SEA had the same amount of spots in challenger (3), why does china have 2 more than the rest now? The Chinese scene is fairly big, if anything they should get more spots in the absolute | ||
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:16 TheDwf wrote: The Chinese scene is fairly big, if anything they should get more spots in the absolute i heard the Chinese scene is big enough for their own WCS China but Blizzard dont want to give it to them? if so...maybe they deserve even more spots lol | ||
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ivancype
Brazil485 Posts
Naniwa literally against the world | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:26 mikumegurine wrote: i heard the Chinese scene is big enough for their own WCS China but Blizzard dont want to give it to them? if so...maybe they deserve even more spots lol Yeah: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GPL_2014_Season_2/Premier | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On January 28 2015 16:36 opisska wrote: I would so love to see you and the horde of your apparent followers (because every second great mind in this thread feels it necessary to agree with this nonsense) trying to play SC2 on a top competitive level. You would make an opinion U-turn faster than you can say "entitled discussion hero". Seriously, this shit has to STOP. The players are not our slaves. Their sole purpose in life is not to entertain us. It is a shitty thing to require unconditional commitment even from real professional athletes without regard to the fact that they are also living and feeling people, and it's incomparably more shittier to behave this way towards people who don't get paid exorbitant amounts of money - or often almost any money at all. ESL, Blizzard, whoever - and also us as for our part in making the public opinion - should support first and foremost the ability of young players to study alongside their "gaming career", because THAT'S WHAT'S FUCKING GOOD FOR THOSE PPLAYERS. How can you even call yourself somebody's "fan" if you don't want then to have a real future when they quit playing videogames? As I already have said in the other thread, if you are willing to only watch competition between fully commited full-time professionals, get prepared to see the same like 5 people that the foreign scene is actually able to pay for over and over again. In the meanwhile, please stop behaving like an asshole towards people who work hard to entertain you while you are NOT paying them anything. You really gotta stop making wild screeching noises while putting words in peoples mouths. Or actually read what people are saying. You're arguing against arguments no one is making. Stop. Really. | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:26 mikumegurine wrote: i heard the Chinese scene is big enough for their own WCS China but Blizzard dont want to give it to them? if so...maybe they deserve even more spots lol But it's always the same 4-5 players who manage to come out of the qualifiers for tournaments, and they don't really do any better than the other foreigners, so I don't see the point in giving them more places when those that are not qualifying now are not up to the standards of international competition. | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:28 ivancype wrote: https://twitter.com/Kelazhur/status/560468632086790144 Naniwa literally against the world Oh shit :D Kelazhur instantly became noteworthy for speaking up against the Naniwa tyranny! | ||
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ivancype
Brazil485 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:51 Ragnarork wrote: Oh shit :D Kelazhur instantly became noteworthy for speaking up against the Naniwa tyranny! Good guy Naniwa, saving eSports again, this time in Brazil /halfjk | ||
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:43 Thax wrote: But it's always the same 4-5 players who manage to come out of the qualifiers for tournaments, and they don't really do any better than the other foreigners, so I don't see the point in giving them more places when those that are not qualifying now are not up to the standards of international competition. i dunno Kev, some of those players who did not qualify this Season, are quite good such as Toodming (who is ranked 2nd best foreigner according to TLPD rankings right now) and have good results beating other foreigners EDIT: btw who is the guy who took Toodming out? oh its the 3rd best foreigner according to TLPD rankings, Jim http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/players | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:28 ivancype wrote: https://twitter.com/Kelazhur/status/560468632086790144 Naniwa literally against the world Why am I not surprised. Kelazhur just gained himself a fan though (: | ||
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Topin
Peru10082 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:28 ivancype wrote: https://twitter.com/Kelazhur/status/560468632086790144 Naniwa literally against the world hahahaha i was going to post this too xD | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On January 29 2015 02:18 mikumegurine wrote: i dunno Kev, some of those players who did not qualify this Season, are quite good such as Toodming (who is ranked 2nd best foreigner according to TLPD rankings right now) and have good results beating other foreigners EDIT: btw who is the guy who took Toodming out? oh its the 3rd best foreigner according to TLPD rankings, Jim http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/players Yes, that's why I said 4-5, and not exactly 4. Maybe I should've said 5-6. That doesn't change anything about my point. Scarlett didn't qualify either. Or Lilbow and heromarine and Nerchio, three players in the top 10 according to those rankings. Maybe NA and EU should have gotten more spots? | ||
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T0mken
Norway78 Posts
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Ctesias
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freeamount
China202 Posts
On January 29 2015 01:13 Wijnruit wrote: I would be totally ok if all eight qualify to next WCS Season. Kinda out of this discussion, but am I the only one that thinks China should have 2 spots in premier instead of 4 and Europe 16 instead of 14? In the old WCS AM Challenger Qualifiers Taiwan, China and Oceania/SEA had the same amount of spots in challenger (3), why does china have 2 more than the rest now? This is because Chinese players performed better than other players last year. They did at least as well as players from North America if you count the number of Chinese players in the premier league Ro32 and Ro16. And Chinese had only 2 spots every season in Challenger last year while North American players had 8. I think the number of Chines players in premier league Ro32 would be higher if they got more spots in Challenger last year. From this point of view, Chinese player might have got more spots this year. | ||
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sashamunguia
Mexico423 Posts
On January 28 2015 19:00 katana-0815 wrote: If someone can't compete due to personal issues (study, visa), he just should be replaced. That's the way it works in tournaments as well. My opinion Couldn't agree more | ||
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freeamount
China202 Posts
The Chinese player iAsonu is actually also studying in one of the best university in China right now. If Suppy complains, what about iAsonu? | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 29 2015 03:56 freeamount wrote: The Chinese player iAsonu is actually also studying in one of the best university in China right now. If Suppy complains, what about iAsonu? Well iAsonu has all the rights to complain if he wants to, although he got the best he could get by having his group in the USA instead of Germany (well I imagine there's less flight time and jetlag from China to the West Coast than from China to Germany right?) | ||
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ferdia
Ireland13 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
I literally cannot cheer hard enough for NaNiwa. He breathes so much emotion into this esport. Every story needs a villian, and every good team needs a rival. NaNi is just bringing it in spades. | ||
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w3c.TruE
Czech Republic1055 Posts
I think that players, who decided to compete in event like this, should have expected, that they would have to travel... I mean it's a global event. You can't expect that you will compete in your hometown, with your neighbours, for the World Championship FFS. But the biggest failure IMO is, that Blizzard or ESL haven't announced rules and seeding, before qualifications. | ||
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freeamount
China202 Posts
On January 29 2015 04:04 OtherWorld wrote: Well iAsonu has all the rights to complain if he wants to, although he got the best he could get by having his group in the USA instead of Germany (well I imagine there's less flight time and jetlag from China to the West Coast than from China to Germany right?) Just come up to point out this: The time for these three regions: China: UTC+8 all year long US Pacific: UTC-8 in winter, UTC-7 in summer Central Europe: UTC+1 in winter, UTC+2 in summer So the time differences between them China and US Pacific: 8 in winter, 9 in summer (you can also say 16 in winter, 15 in summer) China and Central Europe: 7 in winter, 6 in summer | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 29 2015 04:28 freeamount wrote: Just come up to point out this: The time for these three regions: China: UTC+8 all year long US Pacific: UTC-8 in winter, UTC-7 in summer Central Europe: UTC+1 in winter, UTC+2 in summer So the time differences between them China and US Pacific: 8 in winter, 9 in summer (you can also say 16 in winter, 15 in summer) China and Central Europe: 7 in winter, 6 in summer Oh ok. Didn't know that. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On January 29 2015 04:28 freeamount wrote: Just come up to point out this: The time for these three regions: China: UTC+8 all year long US Pacific: UTC-8 in winter, UTC-7 in summer Central Europe: UTC+1 in winter, UTC+2 in summer So the time differences between them China and US Pacific: 8 in winter, 9 in summer (you can also say 16 in winter, 15 in summer) China and Central Europe: 7 in winter, 6 in summer it is due to visa issues. It is easier for the PRCs to come to US then to Germany because they might not get a proper Visa in time for Germany/Schengenarea As happy will play in Germany, because to get a visa for EU as a Russian is far easier then for the USA. The Problem is, some players get proper regions for the visa issues, other players not. Kane has been 89 days in Switzerland with his holiday visa (schnegenareavisa). He is allowed to be 90 days in the Schengenarea for each 180 days. He can be one day here and then he will become illegal here till the 180 days are over (in late march I think ) If he is not able to optain a working visa or a special holidayvisa, he will not be able to enter the Schengenarea thus not be able to play in Europe. That the 2 local players of Germany will both play in US may annoy, but hey, the crowd will be 20 people, mostly players and managers, so who cares. For me the whole issue is the lack of communication. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4017 Posts
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movac
Canada494 Posts
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whereismymind
United Kingdom717 Posts
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Irri
Sweden41 Posts
On January 28 2015 07:41 Teapea wrote: He said something like you he can only be 90 days in EU every 180 days.. And he was in EU for 90 days just, and left in December. So he can't enter EU. Sure he can, but he will need a visa. | ||
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sagi
Finland346 Posts
I'm pretty sure this is the 90 days per 180 day period limit for schengen visa. The countdown for the 180 days starts when you enter the area. During this timeperiod you can spend maximum 90 days in the schengen area. On 181st day from your first day the counter resets and you gain 90 days more (provided you apply for another visa). If he has atleast few days left of his 90 days, I'd consider playing and exiting back to Canada from Spain (or somewhere else in southern Europe), where they to my knowledge don't really care if you stay couple days or even a week too long. I doubt you'd get into too much trouble even leaving from Germany if it's only day or two.. just say you miscalculated and get a slap on the wrist. Disclaimer: please don't break the law. | ||
digmouse
China6330 Posts
Actual groups Group A, B, G and H at Burbank, C, D, E and F at Cologne. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On January 30 2015 05:10 digmouse wrote: Actual groups Group A, B, G and H at Burbank, C, D, E and F at Cologne. Thanks man, updated everything. | ||
Jer99
Canada8157 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
On January 30 2015 05:14 The_Templar wrote: Suppy... well, I dunno how he's getting to Europe >.> invent quantum teleportation | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
make him finally put that education of his to some use. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 30 2015 05:14 The_Templar wrote: Suppy... well, I dunno how he's getting to Europe >.> Kane as well. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
Kane will just have to sneak in and sneak out without getting caught. I think someone said he has like 1 day he can spend there cause he used 89 of 90 last time he was in Europe | ||
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ossavi09
Germany441 Posts
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On January 30 2015 05:24 Shellshock wrote: Kane will just have to sneak in and sneak out without getting caught. I think someone said he has like 1 day he can spend there cause he used 89 of 90 last time he was in Europe In Germany they will ask you when your flight back is. If he cant show em a valid ticket for the next day, he wount sneak in. The Problem is, he has to get either a working, a sports or a student visa. Because he cant get a "better" holiday visa. And working visa is though in that short time, but this "work and blablabla" visa (not the real working visa, the visa MC and friends had during their time in germany) will be his best chance, he cant get a sport visa because esport in germany no sport and he cant get a student visa because no student at a german university. If he does it right he could get this work and do your stuff visa. Even if burocraty is very slow in Germany, there are often official options like "pay 60€ more and have it in 3 days". For example if we Germans need very fast a new passport, we pay up to 45€ and got it in 3 days instead of 4 weeks. Thats how we pay our bourocrats. | ||
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Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On January 30 2015 05:52 ossavi09 wrote: hope someone will update the groups on liquipedia, first vs fourth & second vs third will be the first matches for each group source? | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
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Yhamm
France7248 Posts
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MasterSmurf
Germany30 Posts
On January 28 2015 07:12 Shellshock wrote: Poll: Group of Death? (Vote): Kane, TargA, PiG, Happy Polt, TLO, Kelazhur, Jim 3rd place? lol | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On January 30 2015 08:36 MasterSmurf wrote: Polt, TLO, Kelazhur, Jim 3rd place? lol Jim and TLO both have decent hype followings so it doesn't surprise me that much | ||
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asongdotnet
United States1060 Posts
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
With this info, Bunny is in serious trouble. Majors TvT is SO much better than his. | ||
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