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On January 29 2015 01:13 Wijnruit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 00:53 OtherWorld wrote:On January 29 2015 00:44 Wijnruit wrote:On January 28 2015 23:57 Schelim wrote:On January 28 2015 23:07 OtherWorld wrote:On January 28 2015 23:03 Schelim wrote:
so apparently this format is completely different from last year. would someone please be so kind and shoot a guy that hasn't been following sc2 for a while now a link or something so i can see what the hell is going on? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series(basically : 2 premier leagues in Korea, GSL Code S + Naver Starcraft 2 Starleague (organized by SpoTV). WCS AM and EU merged into one WCS, with a limited amount of spots for each region ; addition of a region lock with residency requirements (visa or ForGG rule) which results in only 4 Koreans in Season 1 of WCS (Polt, ViOlet, ForGG, Hydra), to whom you can add JaeDong and StarDust next season ; Season finals for WCS are done in a real venue instead of ESL's studio). thanks bro, that cleared things up for me. it's kinda weird, but it's good to know  Heart will also play in WCS qualifiers next season. He is attending college in Taiwan and living there, only flying to Korea to his GSL matches. Oh yeah I totally forgot about him. KingkOng qualifying next season is also a possibility, which would put the number of Koreans in WCS at eight. I would be totally ok if all eight qualify to next WCS Season. Kinda out of this discussion, but am I the only one that thinks China should have 2 spots in premier instead of 4 and Europe 16 instead of 14? In the old WCS AM Challenger Qualifiers Taiwan, China and Oceania/SEA had the same amount of spots in challenger (3), why does china have 2 more than the rest now?
The Chinese scene is fairly big, if anything they should get more spots in the absolute
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On January 29 2015 01:16 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 01:13 Wijnruit wrote:On January 29 2015 00:53 OtherWorld wrote:On January 29 2015 00:44 Wijnruit wrote:On January 28 2015 23:57 Schelim wrote:On January 28 2015 23:07 OtherWorld wrote:On January 28 2015 23:03 Schelim wrote:
so apparently this format is completely different from last year. would someone please be so kind and shoot a guy that hasn't been following sc2 for a while now a link or something so i can see what the hell is going on? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series(basically : 2 premier leagues in Korea, GSL Code S + Naver Starcraft 2 Starleague (organized by SpoTV). WCS AM and EU merged into one WCS, with a limited amount of spots for each region ; addition of a region lock with residency requirements (visa or ForGG rule) which results in only 4 Koreans in Season 1 of WCS (Polt, ViOlet, ForGG, Hydra), to whom you can add JaeDong and StarDust next season ; Season finals for WCS are done in a real venue instead of ESL's studio). thanks bro, that cleared things up for me. it's kinda weird, but it's good to know Heart will also play in WCS qualifiers next season. He is attending college in Taiwan and living there, only flying to Korea to his GSL matches. Oh yeah I totally forgot about him. KingkOng qualifying next season is also a possibility, which would put the number of Koreans in WCS at eight. I would be totally ok if all eight qualify to next WCS Season. Kinda out of this discussion, but am I the only one that thinks China should have 2 spots in premier instead of 4 and Europe 16 instead of 14? In the old WCS AM Challenger Qualifiers Taiwan, China and Oceania/SEA had the same amount of spots in challenger (3), why does china have 2 more than the rest now? The Chinese scene is fairly big, if anything they should get more spots in the absolute
i heard the Chinese scene is big enough for their own WCS China but Blizzard dont want to give it to them? if so...maybe they deserve even more spots lol
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Naniwa literally against the world
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On January 29 2015 01:26 mikumegurine wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 01:16 TheDwf wrote:On January 29 2015 01:13 Wijnruit wrote:On January 29 2015 00:53 OtherWorld wrote:On January 29 2015 00:44 Wijnruit wrote:On January 28 2015 23:57 Schelim wrote:On January 28 2015 23:07 OtherWorld wrote:On January 28 2015 23:03 Schelim wrote:
so apparently this format is completely different from last year. would someone please be so kind and shoot a guy that hasn't been following sc2 for a while now a link or something so i can see what the hell is going on? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series(basically : 2 premier leagues in Korea, GSL Code S + Naver Starcraft 2 Starleague (organized by SpoTV). WCS AM and EU merged into one WCS, with a limited amount of spots for each region ; addition of a region lock with residency requirements (visa or ForGG rule) which results in only 4 Koreans in Season 1 of WCS (Polt, ViOlet, ForGG, Hydra), to whom you can add JaeDong and StarDust next season ; Season finals for WCS are done in a real venue instead of ESL's studio). thanks bro, that cleared things up for me. it's kinda weird, but it's good to know Heart will also play in WCS qualifiers next season. He is attending college in Taiwan and living there, only flying to Korea to his GSL matches. Oh yeah I totally forgot about him. KingkOng qualifying next season is also a possibility, which would put the number of Koreans in WCS at eight. I would be totally ok if all eight qualify to next WCS Season. Kinda out of this discussion, but am I the only one that thinks China should have 2 spots in premier instead of 4 and Europe 16 instead of 14? In the old WCS AM Challenger Qualifiers Taiwan, China and Oceania/SEA had the same amount of spots in challenger (3), why does china have 2 more than the rest now? The Chinese scene is fairly big, if anything they should get more spots in the absolute i heard the Chinese scene is big enough for their own WCS China but Blizzard dont want to give it to them? if so...maybe they deserve even more spots lol
Yeah: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GPL_2014_Season_2/Premier
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On January 28 2015 16:36 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 08:40 Boucot wrote:
While I understand Suppy's frustration, I think players should not be allowed to choose where they want to play, at all. WCS is the most professional SC2 western league in the world, it's not ESL's role to adapt to school schedules. The only issue they should handle is visas, that's all. I would so love to see you and the horde of your apparent followers (because every second great mind in this thread feels it necessary to agree with this nonsense) trying to play SC2 on a top competitive level. You would make an opinion U-turn faster than you can say "entitled discussion hero". Seriously, this shit has to STOP. The players are not our slaves. Their sole purpose in life is not to entertain us. It is a shitty thing to require unconditional commitment even from real professional athletes without regard to the fact that they are also living and feeling people, and it's incomparably more shittier to behave this way towards people who don't get paid exorbitant amounts of money - or often almost any money at all. ESL, Blizzard, whoever - and also us as for our part in making the public opinion - should support first and foremost the ability of young players to study alongside their "gaming career", because THAT'S WHAT'S FUCKING GOOD FOR THOSE PPLAYERS. How can you even call yourself somebody's "fan" if you don't want then to have a real future when they quit playing videogames? As I already have said in the other thread, if you are willing to only watch competition between fully commited full-time professionals, get prepared to see the same like 5 people that the foreign scene is actually able to pay for over and over again. In the meanwhile, please stop behaving like an asshole towards people who work hard to entertain you while you are NOT paying them anything.
You really gotta stop making wild screeching noises while putting words in peoples mouths. Or actually read what people are saying. You're arguing against arguments no one is making. Stop. Really.
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On January 29 2015 01:26 mikumegurine wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 01:16 TheDwf wrote:On January 29 2015 01:13 Wijnruit wrote:On January 29 2015 00:53 OtherWorld wrote:On January 29 2015 00:44 Wijnruit wrote:On January 28 2015 23:57 Schelim wrote:On January 28 2015 23:07 OtherWorld wrote:On January 28 2015 23:03 Schelim wrote:
so apparently this format is completely different from last year. would someone please be so kind and shoot a guy that hasn't been following sc2 for a while now a link or something so i can see what the hell is going on? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series(basically : 2 premier leagues in Korea, GSL Code S + Naver Starcraft 2 Starleague (organized by SpoTV). WCS AM and EU merged into one WCS, with a limited amount of spots for each region ; addition of a region lock with residency requirements (visa or ForGG rule) which results in only 4 Koreans in Season 1 of WCS (Polt, ViOlet, ForGG, Hydra), to whom you can add JaeDong and StarDust next season ; Season finals for WCS are done in a real venue instead of ESL's studio). thanks bro, that cleared things up for me. it's kinda weird, but it's good to know Heart will also play in WCS qualifiers next season. He is attending college in Taiwan and living there, only flying to Korea to his GSL matches. Oh yeah I totally forgot about him. KingkOng qualifying next season is also a possibility, which would put the number of Koreans in WCS at eight. I would be totally ok if all eight qualify to next WCS Season. Kinda out of this discussion, but am I the only one that thinks China should have 2 spots in premier instead of 4 and Europe 16 instead of 14? In the old WCS AM Challenger Qualifiers Taiwan, China and Oceania/SEA had the same amount of spots in challenger (3), why does china have 2 more than the rest now? The Chinese scene is fairly big, if anything they should get more spots in the absolute i heard the Chinese scene is big enough for their own WCS China but Blizzard dont want to give it to them? if so...maybe they deserve even more spots lol
But it's always the same 4-5 players who manage to come out of the qualifiers for tournaments, and they don't really do any better than the other foreigners, so I don't see the point in giving them more places when those that are not qualifying now are not up to the standards of international competition.
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France9034 Posts
Oh shit :D
Kelazhur instantly became noteworthy for speaking up against the Naniwa tyranny!
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On January 29 2015 01:51 Ragnarork wrote:Oh shit :D Kelazhur instantly became noteworthy for speaking up against the Naniwa tyranny!
Good guy Naniwa, saving eSports again, this time in Brazil
/halfjk
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On January 29 2015 01:43 Thax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 01:26 mikumegurine wrote:On January 29 2015 01:16 TheDwf wrote:On January 29 2015 01:13 Wijnruit wrote:On January 29 2015 00:53 OtherWorld wrote:On January 29 2015 00:44 Wijnruit wrote:On January 28 2015 23:57 Schelim wrote:On January 28 2015 23:07 OtherWorld wrote:On January 28 2015 23:03 Schelim wrote:
so apparently this format is completely different from last year. would someone please be so kind and shoot a guy that hasn't been following sc2 for a while now a link or something so i can see what the hell is going on? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series(basically : 2 premier leagues in Korea, GSL Code S + Naver Starcraft 2 Starleague (organized by SpoTV). WCS AM and EU merged into one WCS, with a limited amount of spots for each region ; addition of a region lock with residency requirements (visa or ForGG rule) which results in only 4 Koreans in Season 1 of WCS (Polt, ViOlet, ForGG, Hydra), to whom you can add JaeDong and StarDust next season ; Season finals for WCS are done in a real venue instead of ESL's studio). thanks bro, that cleared things up for me. it's kinda weird, but it's good to know Heart will also play in WCS qualifiers next season. He is attending college in Taiwan and living there, only flying to Korea to his GSL matches. Oh yeah I totally forgot about him. KingkOng qualifying next season is also a possibility, which would put the number of Koreans in WCS at eight. I would be totally ok if all eight qualify to next WCS Season. Kinda out of this discussion, but am I the only one that thinks China should have 2 spots in premier instead of 4 and Europe 16 instead of 14? In the old WCS AM Challenger Qualifiers Taiwan, China and Oceania/SEA had the same amount of spots in challenger (3), why does china have 2 more than the rest now? The Chinese scene is fairly big, if anything they should get more spots in the absolute i heard the Chinese scene is big enough for their own WCS China but Blizzard dont want to give it to them? if so...maybe they deserve even more spots lol But it's always the same 4-5 players who manage to come out of the qualifiers for tournaments, and they don't really do any better than the other foreigners, so I don't see the point in giving them more places when those that are not qualifying now are not up to the standards of international competition.
i dunno Kev, some of those players who did not qualify this Season, are quite good such as Toodming (who is ranked 2nd best foreigner according to TLPD rankings right now) and have good results beating other foreigners
EDIT: btw who is the guy who took Toodming out? oh its the 3rd best foreigner according to TLPD rankings, Jim
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/players
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Why am I not surprised.
Kelazhur just gained himself a fan though (:
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hahahaha i was going to post this too xD
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On January 29 2015 02:18 mikumegurine wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 01:43 Thax wrote:On January 29 2015 01:26 mikumegurine wrote:On January 29 2015 01:16 TheDwf wrote:On January 29 2015 01:13 Wijnruit wrote:On January 29 2015 00:53 OtherWorld wrote:On January 29 2015 00:44 Wijnruit wrote:On January 28 2015 23:57 Schelim wrote:On January 28 2015 23:07 OtherWorld wrote:On January 28 2015 23:03 Schelim wrote:
so apparently this format is completely different from last year. would someone please be so kind and shoot a guy that hasn't been following sc2 for a while now a link or something so i can see what the hell is going on? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series(basically : 2 premier leagues in Korea, GSL Code S + Naver Starcraft 2 Starleague (organized by SpoTV). WCS AM and EU merged into one WCS, with a limited amount of spots for each region ; addition of a region lock with residency requirements (visa or ForGG rule) which results in only 4 Koreans in Season 1 of WCS (Polt, ViOlet, ForGG, Hydra), to whom you can add JaeDong and StarDust next season ; Season finals for WCS are done in a real venue instead of ESL's studio). thanks bro, that cleared things up for me. it's kinda weird, but it's good to know Heart will also play in WCS qualifiers next season. He is attending college in Taiwan and living there, only flying to Korea to his GSL matches. Oh yeah I totally forgot about him. KingkOng qualifying next season is also a possibility, which would put the number of Koreans in WCS at eight. I would be totally ok if all eight qualify to next WCS Season. Kinda out of this discussion, but am I the only one that thinks China should have 2 spots in premier instead of 4 and Europe 16 instead of 14? In the old WCS AM Challenger Qualifiers Taiwan, China and Oceania/SEA had the same amount of spots in challenger (3), why does china have 2 more than the rest now? The Chinese scene is fairly big, if anything they should get more spots in the absolute i heard the Chinese scene is big enough for their own WCS China but Blizzard dont want to give it to them? if so...maybe they deserve even more spots lol But it's always the same 4-5 players who manage to come out of the qualifiers for tournaments, and they don't really do any better than the other foreigners, so I don't see the point in giving them more places when those that are not qualifying now are not up to the standards of international competition. i dunno Kev, some of those players who did not qualify this Season, are quite good such as Toodming ( who is ranked 2nd best foreigner according to TLPD rankings right now) and have good results beating other foreigners EDIT: btw who is the guy who took Toodming out? oh its the 3rd best foreigner according to TLPD rankings, Jim http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/players
Yes, that's why I said 4-5, and not exactly 4. Maybe I should've said 5-6. That doesn't change anything about my point. Scarlett didn't qualify either. Or Lilbow and heromarine and Nerchio, three players in the top 10 according to those rankings. Maybe NA and EU should have gotten more spots?
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Polt please. That is all.
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On January 29 2015 01:13 Wijnruit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 00:53 OtherWorld wrote:On January 29 2015 00:44 Wijnruit wrote:On January 28 2015 23:57 Schelim wrote:On January 28 2015 23:07 OtherWorld wrote:On January 28 2015 23:03 Schelim wrote:
so apparently this format is completely different from last year. would someone please be so kind and shoot a guy that hasn't been following sc2 for a while now a link or something so i can see what the hell is going on? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series(basically : 2 premier leagues in Korea, GSL Code S + Naver Starcraft 2 Starleague (organized by SpoTV). WCS AM and EU merged into one WCS, with a limited amount of spots for each region ; addition of a region lock with residency requirements (visa or ForGG rule) which results in only 4 Koreans in Season 1 of WCS (Polt, ViOlet, ForGG, Hydra), to whom you can add JaeDong and StarDust next season ; Season finals for WCS are done in a real venue instead of ESL's studio). thanks bro, that cleared things up for me. it's kinda weird, but it's good to know Heart will also play in WCS qualifiers next season. He is attending college in Taiwan and living there, only flying to Korea to his GSL matches. Oh yeah I totally forgot about him. KingkOng qualifying next season is also a possibility, which would put the number of Koreans in WCS at eight. I would be totally ok if all eight qualify to next WCS Season. Kinda out of this discussion, but am I the only one that thinks China should have 2 spots in premier instead of 4 and Europe 16 instead of 14? In the old WCS AM Challenger Qualifiers Taiwan, China and Oceania/SEA had the same amount of spots in challenger (3), why does china have 2 more than the rest now?
This is because Chinese players performed better than other players last year. They did at least as well as players from North America if you count the number of Chinese players in the premier league Ro32 and Ro16.
And Chinese had only 2 spots every season in Challenger last year while North American players had 8. I think the number of Chines players in premier league Ro32 would be higher if they got more spots in Challenger last year. From this point of view, Chinese player might have got more spots this year.
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On January 28 2015 19:00 katana-0815 wrote:
If someone can't compete due to personal issues (study, visa), he just should be replaced. That's the way it works in tournaments as well.
My opinion
Couldn't agree more
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On January 29 2015 03:53 sashamunguia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 19:00 katana-0815 wrote:
If someone can't compete due to personal issues (study, visa), he just should be replaced. That's the way it works in tournaments as well.
My opinion Couldn't agree more
The Chinese player iAsonu is actually also studying in one of the best university in China right now. If Suppy complains, what about iAsonu?
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On January 29 2015 03:56 freeamount wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 03:53 sashamunguia wrote:On January 28 2015 19:00 katana-0815 wrote:
If someone can't compete due to personal issues (study, visa), he just should be replaced. That's the way it works in tournaments as well.
My opinion Couldn't agree more The Chinese player iAsonu is actually also studying in one of the best university in China right now. If Suppy complains, what about iAsonu?
Well iAsonu has all the rights to complain if he wants to, although he got the best he could get by having his group in the USA instead of Germany (well I imagine there's less flight time and jetlag from China to the West Coast than from China to Germany right?)
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prefer these groups xD much nicer to look at, for whatever reason, lol.
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Both Showtime and TLO playing in the USA is kinda sad I guess. I'm sure people would love to cheer for local players.
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EPT
