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On January 28 2015 07:46 swag_bro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +My predictions:
Kane, TargA, PiG, Happy - This group was very easy in terms of who will get out of the group. I chose Kane because he is just better than the other three. The 2nd person who will make it out of this group is a little more difficult to pick. I chose PiG because I feel that he is a very great Terran. How many players can proudly say that they defeated NesTea, a three time GSL winner and the most accomplished Zerg in SC2 to date? Not many people can make that claim. I normally would pick Happy, but he is a known cheater ever since the whole stream cheating on the Russian stream thing. I used to give Happy the benefit of the doubt for not being able to reproduce his online results offline.
viOLet, Bunny, MajOr, MaNa - viOLet is Korean playing against some Europeans and North Americans. Enough said. I didn't pick MajOr because he most likely will not even show up. Otherwise, I would pick him since he has winning records against top Koreans such as Polt. It was hard to pick either MaNa or Bunny, so I went with Bunny. Bunny's form has been better than MaNa's, despite his inability to beat easy opponents. Actually, with Bunny's form these days, he might actually win a PREMIER tournament.
Polt, TLO, Kelazhur, Jim - Polt is clearly superior to the other three players in this group. The person who might make it in 2nd place can either be TLO or Jim. TLO is well known by the SC2 community for being inconsistent so I will go with Jim. He is consistent enough and has some weird Chinese builds to back him up.
puCK, ForGG, Firecake, Sen - First place will obviously be fOrGG. The man beat Life, the WCS Finals 2014 champion, fresh off of his win. fOrGG is the best player out of any of these players right now. The next player to leave this group will be Sen. Sen is just looking too solid these days to lose to Firecake or... puCK.
Astrea, Snute, uThermal, XiGua - This group is just too easy to predict. Snute and XiGua, in that order. Snute is a tournament winner and XiGua is a WCG runner up. These players' achievements simply can't be ignored. BUT I can kind of see an Astrea beating Snute AND XiGua since he, after all, managed to beat Scarlett, the best foreign Zerg in the world if it was not for her wrists.
Hydra, ShoWTimE, MorroW, iAsonu - Hydra because he is Korean. Morrow is an IEM champion, and defeating Idra at that. Morrow will definitely make it out of this group. His play is too solid compared to the other foreigners.
Suppy, NaNiwa, Serral, Has - NaNiwa is the best foreigner in the world right now. There is nobody else, besides Stephano, who can suddenly come out of retirement and make it to premier without practice. Naniwa truly has the SC2 gift that all other players want. Although I think fOrGG will win this WCS, I think that NaNiwa will take second place losing 3-4 by some weird SCV pull from fOrGG. Second will probably be Has. Chinese players are almost as good as Koreans therefore being better than other foreigners.
HuK, Welmu, Iaguz, MacSed - Despite what people say about HuK being a washed up has been, he is still a top 5 foreigner. That is why he will make it out. 1,2 for Welmu, 3,4 for Iaguz, 5,6 for MacSed. I rolled a 2 on my dice. Welmu it is.
long live swag bro
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On January 28 2015 07:15 argonautdice wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 07:10 Circumstance wrote:
Polt, Jim, TLO, Kelazhur. My pick for group of death. Death for Kelazhur 
Probably, but still rooting for him!
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so apparently this format is completely different from last year. would someone please be so kind and shoot a guy that hasn't been following sc2 for a while now a link or something so i can see what the hell is going on?
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On January 28 2015 23:03 Schelim wrote:
so apparently this format is completely different from last year. would someone please be so kind and shoot a guy that hasn't been following sc2 for a while now a link or something so i can see what the hell is going on?
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series
(basically : 2 premier leagues in Korea, GSL Code S + Naver Starcraft 2 Starleague (organized by SpoTV). WCS AM and EU merged into one WCS, with a limited amount of spots for each region ; addition of a region lock with residency requirements (visa or ForGG rule) which results in only 4 Koreans in Season 1 of WCS (Polt, ViOlet, ForGG, Hydra), to whom you can add JaeDong and StarDust next season ; Season finals for WCS are done in a real venue instead of ESL's studio).
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Btw I highly doubt we'll see a foreigner at Blizzcon.
And that will be glorious.
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On January 28 2015 23:10 Nebuchad wrote:Btw I highly doubt we'll see a foreigner at Blizzcon. And that will be glorious.
Unless one foreigner does at least Ro4 in each WCS season and grabs some points from DH/IEM events, I think so too.
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On January 28 2015 07:46 swag_bro wrote:
My predictions:
Kane, TargA, PiG, Happy - This group was very easy in terms of who will get out of the group. I chose Kane because he is just better than the other three. The 2nd person who will make it out of this group is a little more difficult to pick. I chose PiG because I feel that he is a very great Terran. How many players can proudly say that they defeated NesTea, a three time GSL winner and the most accomplished Zerg in SC2 to date? Not many people can make that claim. I normally would pick Happy, but he is a known cheater ever since the whole stream cheating on the Russian stream thing. I used to give Happy the benefit of the doubt for not being able to reproduce his online results offline.
Why isn't this warned... Trolling has its limits
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On January 28 2015 23:10 Nebuchad wrote:Btw I highly doubt we'll see a foreigner at Blizzcon. And that will be glorious.
Naniwa is back, dont be so sure.
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On January 28 2015 20:20 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 16:36 opisska wrote:On January 28 2015 08:40 Boucot wrote:
While I understand Suppy's frustration, I think players should not be allowed to choose where they want to play, at all. WCS is the most professional SC2 western league in the world, it's not ESL's role to adapt to school schedules. The only issue they should handle is visas, that's all. I would so love to see you and the horde of your apparent followers (because every second great mind in this thread feels it necessary to agree with this nonsense) trying to play SC2 on a top competitive level. You would make an opinion U-turn faster than you can say "entitled discussion hero". Seriously, this shit has to STOP. The players are not our slaves. It's never been shocking to anyone that players from SEA or China had to travel to USA to play in WCS the last two years. Suddenly people from USA or Europe have to travel a bit as well and that makes us slave traders? Please consider what you're saying....
Is this a TL-wide hobby now or what? I mean taking sequences from context and arguing in a completely tangential direction.I spoke against that we are entitled to require this and that from the players and that if they fail to oblige, they are not considered worthy of the majestic WCS competition, how can you drive from that the idea that I said "forcing players to travel is like slavery" is beyond me.
The fact that SEA and China players have had to travel to the US is also pretty stupid, but it's kind of the reality of life. And in fact, in the past, we have seen them being repeatedly screwed over by idiotic US immigration laws and I was usually at the first page saying how idiotic that is. But I must admit that I don't see much of a solution for that, as simply the market is what it is and it is quite difficult to make it otherwise and bypassing the US soil altogether just because the country is run based on opinions of redneck morons who believe that everybody and their mother want to steal their extremely valuable corn-raising jobs or make a terrorist attack on their hay memorials is not a very profitable option.
But this WCS Global nonsense is something different, it is screwing with the players on purpose to make it more "fun", it;s really nothing else, there is fucking reason not to let people play where they want beyond "uuuhhh, but I feeeeeel like doing it thiissss way and I am so fucking important". OK, then there is Ro16 that will be played on one place anyway, but that's so much more money and prestige and also it's one problem instead of two. So yes, the world is not fucking perfect, but can we at least not make it worse just because of our whim?
This discussion has really disgusted me. Yes, there are some reasonable people and most of the people holding the idiotic opinion express themselves pretty moderately, but that doesn't make it less idiotic. I just can't comprehend how this place is full of the most dedicated fans of this and that players, but catering TO THE PLAYERS is seen as the second worse thing after Holocaust. The reason why this makes me so angry is that this kind of hypocrisy lurks here for years and nobody gives a shit.
At the end, it's the same vomit as all this "professionalism" bullshit, when people require players to act as soulless robots, because they are offended by a farting rabbit, so hearing a teenager act like he is not a bag of artificially intelligent poop in a uniform is something totally unthinkable for them and they DEMAND action and EMAIL the sponsors and do all this self-indulging super-important shit that in fact just means that they are overgrown crybabies who need their mummy to beat the other child for them ... with absolute disregard for the fact that the actors in this whole theater are people with feelings, emotions and free will and that these are the very same people they are supposed to cheer for.
TL;DR: if you ever feel like saying anything along the lines of "Player X should rather behave like Y, because me wants that", why don't you rather go outside and sodomize yourself with a traffic light, because I want that?
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I kind of had the impression that they try to minimize traveling. Thats really sucky now for a few players.
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On January 28 2015 23:07 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 23:03 Schelim wrote:
so apparently this format is completely different from last year. would someone please be so kind and shoot a guy that hasn't been following sc2 for a while now a link or something so i can see what the hell is going on? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series(basically : 2 premier leagues in Korea, GSL Code S + Naver Starcraft 2 Starleague (organized by SpoTV). WCS AM and EU merged into one WCS, with a limited amount of spots for each region ; addition of a region lock with residency requirements (visa or ForGG rule) which results in only 4 Koreans in Season 1 of WCS (Polt, ViOlet, ForGG, Hydra), to whom you can add JaeDong and StarDust next season ; Season finals for WCS are done in a real venue instead of ESL's studio).
thanks bro, that cleared things up for me. it's kinda weird, but it's good to know 
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Maybe the correct solution would have been a bigger challenger league and only Ro16 Premier. Or alternatively retain the old system and force players to play from the correct region.
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On January 28 2015 18:35 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 07:41 Teapea wrote:On January 28 2015 07:36 Thax wrote:
Why can't Kane travel to Europe? He said something like you he can only be 90 days in EU every 180 days.. And he was in EU for 90 days just, and left in December. So he can't enter EU. That doesn't seem right though..? First of all, Canadians having problems with Visas to EU seems really weird, basically anyone and their grandmother can get Visas to EU. Sure, maybe not working visas, but do you really need that? Second of all, as far as I know, he was in Switzerland. Switzerland is not part of EU while Germany is. There should be different visas to Switzerland and to Germany.
You do not know alot about Schengenraum, do you?
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On January 28 2015 23:57 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 23:07 OtherWorld wrote:On January 28 2015 23:03 Schelim wrote:
so apparently this format is completely different from last year. would someone please be so kind and shoot a guy that hasn't been following sc2 for a while now a link or something so i can see what the hell is going on? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series(basically : 2 premier leagues in Korea, GSL Code S + Naver Starcraft 2 Starleague (organized by SpoTV). WCS AM and EU merged into one WCS, with a limited amount of spots for each region ; addition of a region lock with residency requirements (visa or ForGG rule) which results in only 4 Koreans in Season 1 of WCS (Polt, ViOlet, ForGG, Hydra), to whom you can add JaeDong and StarDust next season ; Season finals for WCS are done in a real venue instead of ESL's studio). thanks bro, that cleared things up for me. it's kinda weird, but it's good to know
Heart will also play in WCS qualifiers next season. He is attending college in Taiwan and living there, only flying to Korea to his GSL matches.
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On January 29 2015 00:44 Wijnruit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 23:57 Schelim wrote:On January 28 2015 23:07 OtherWorld wrote:On January 28 2015 23:03 Schelim wrote:
so apparently this format is completely different from last year. would someone please be so kind and shoot a guy that hasn't been following sc2 for a while now a link or something so i can see what the hell is going on? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series(basically : 2 premier leagues in Korea, GSL Code S + Naver Starcraft 2 Starleague (organized by SpoTV). WCS AM and EU merged into one WCS, with a limited amount of spots for each region ; addition of a region lock with residency requirements (visa or ForGG rule) which results in only 4 Koreans in Season 1 of WCS (Polt, ViOlet, ForGG, Hydra), to whom you can add JaeDong and StarDust next season ; Season finals for WCS are done in a real venue instead of ESL's studio). thanks bro, that cleared things up for me. it's kinda weird, but it's good to know Heart will also play in WCS qualifiers next season. He is attending college in Taiwan and living there, only flying to Korea to his GSL matches.
Oh yeah I totally forgot about him. KingkOng qualifying next season is also a possibility, which would put the number of Koreans in WCS at eight.
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On January 29 2015 00:53 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 00:44 Wijnruit wrote:On January 28 2015 23:57 Schelim wrote:On January 28 2015 23:07 OtherWorld wrote:On January 28 2015 23:03 Schelim wrote:
so apparently this format is completely different from last year. would someone please be so kind and shoot a guy that hasn't been following sc2 for a while now a link or something so i can see what the hell is going on? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series(basically : 2 premier leagues in Korea, GSL Code S + Naver Starcraft 2 Starleague (organized by SpoTV). WCS AM and EU merged into one WCS, with a limited amount of spots for each region ; addition of a region lock with residency requirements (visa or ForGG rule) which results in only 4 Koreans in Season 1 of WCS (Polt, ViOlet, ForGG, Hydra), to whom you can add JaeDong and StarDust next season ; Season finals for WCS are done in a real venue instead of ESL's studio). thanks bro, that cleared things up for me. it's kinda weird, but it's good to know Heart will also play in WCS qualifiers next season. He is attending college in Taiwan and living there, only flying to Korea to his GSL matches. Oh yeah I totally forgot about him. KingkOng qualifying next season is also a possibility, which would put the number of Koreans in WCS at eight.
Besides, the possibility of TANGTANG realizing the extent of his cult outside of Korea should not be dismissed lightly
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Mehehe time for MY predictions:
Group 1:  Kane, TargA , PiG  Happy
Group 2: I have no idea and everyone of them could come out (but I think  MaNa will be last)
Group 3: Polt, TLO , Jim, Kelazhur -- But this may be because I like TL
Group 4: puCK, ForGG , FireCake, Sen
Group 5: Astrea, Snute, uThermal XiGua
Group 6: Hydra, ShoWTimE , MorroW, iAsonu
Group 7: Suppy, NaNiwa, Serral , Has
Group 8: HuK , Welmu, iaguz, MacSed -- Not sure About the finn and the chineese Players though
Also pls do well EU players so we can still say EU > NA 
6  4  4 2
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On January 28 2015 23:37 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 20:20 Nebuchad wrote:On January 28 2015 16:36 opisska wrote:On January 28 2015 08:40 Boucot wrote:
While I understand Suppy's frustration, I think players should not be allowed to choose where they want to play, at all. WCS is the most professional SC2 western league in the world, it's not ESL's role to adapt to school schedules. The only issue they should handle is visas, that's all. I would so love to see you and the horde of your apparent followers (because every second great mind in this thread feels it necessary to agree with this nonsense) trying to play SC2 on a top competitive level. You would make an opinion U-turn faster than you can say "entitled discussion hero". Seriously, this shit has to STOP. The players are not our slaves. It's never been shocking to anyone that players from SEA or China had to travel to USA to play in WCS the last two years. Suddenly people from USA or Europe have to travel a bit as well and that makes us slave traders? Please consider what you're saying.... Is this a TL-wide hobby now or what? I mean taking sequences from context and arguing in a completely tangential direction.I spoke against that we are entitled to require this and that from the players and that if they fail to oblige, they are not considered worthy of the majestic WCS competition, how can you drive from that the idea that I said "forcing players to travel is like slavery" is beyond me. The fact that SEA and China players have had to travel to the US is also pretty stupid, but it's kind of the reality of life. And in fact, in the past, we have seen them being repeatedly screwed over by idiotic US immigration laws and I was usually at the first page saying how idiotic that is. But I must admit that I don't see much of a solution for that, as simply the market is what it is and it is quite difficult to make it otherwise and bypassing the US soil altogether just because the country is run based on opinions of redneck morons who believe that everybody and their mother want to steal their extremely valuable corn-raising jobs or make a terrorist attack on their hay memorials is not a very profitable option. But this WCS Global nonsense is something different, it is screwing with the players on purpose to make it more "fun", it;s really nothing else, there is fucking reason not to let people play where they want beyond "uuuhhh, but I feeeeeel like doing it thiissss way and I am so fucking important". OK, then there is Ro16 that will be played on one place anyway, but that's so much more money and prestige and also it's one problem instead of two. So yes, the world is not fucking perfect, but can we at least not make it worse just because of our whim? This discussion has really disgusted me. Yes, there are some reasonable people and most of the people holding the idiotic opinion express themselves pretty moderately, but that doesn't make it less idiotic. I just can't comprehend how this place is full of the most dedicated fans of this and that players, but catering TO THE PLAYERS is seen as the second worse thing after Holocaust. The reason why this makes me so angry is that this kind of hypocrisy lurks here for years and nobody gives a shit. At the end, it's the same vomit as all this "professionalism" bullshit, when people require players to act as soulless robots, because they are offended by a farting rabbit, so hearing a teenager act like he is not a bag of artificially intelligent poop in a uniform is something totally unthinkable for them and they DEMAND action and EMAIL the sponsors and do all this self-indulging super-important shit that in fact just means that they are overgrown crybabies who need their mummy to beat the other child for them ... with absolute disregard for the fact that the actors in this whole theater are people with feelings, emotions and free will and that these are the very same people they are supposed to cheer for. TL;DR: if you ever feel like saying anything along the lines of "Player X should rather behave like Y, because me wants that", why don't you rather go outside and sodomize yourself with a traffic light, because I want that?
Dude you're jumping at me for using the words you used. If you don't want to talk about slavery, don't bring it up. The core problem with what you said isn't your choice of words, however, it's that the complaint doesn't make sense in the context of starcraft gaming. People have had to travel to play starcraft competitively for ages, mostly to Korea, Europe and America. Notice the epic double standard that when it happens to others, it's the "reality of life", but suddenly now that it happens in America and Europe it's something unbearable? Well no, it's the "reality of life" in this case as well, I'm going to keep my coherent world view on the subject and treat everyone equally, thanks. You blaming me for doing that is both sad and hilarious.
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On January 29 2015 00:53 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2015 00:44 Wijnruit wrote:On January 28 2015 23:57 Schelim wrote:On January 28 2015 23:07 OtherWorld wrote:On January 28 2015 23:03 Schelim wrote:
so apparently this format is completely different from last year. would someone please be so kind and shoot a guy that hasn't been following sc2 for a while now a link or something so i can see what the hell is going on? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series(basically : 2 premier leagues in Korea, GSL Code S + Naver Starcraft 2 Starleague (organized by SpoTV). WCS AM and EU merged into one WCS, with a limited amount of spots for each region ; addition of a region lock with residency requirements (visa or ForGG rule) which results in only 4 Koreans in Season 1 of WCS (Polt, ViOlet, ForGG, Hydra), to whom you can add JaeDong and StarDust next season ; Season finals for WCS are done in a real venue instead of ESL's studio). thanks bro, that cleared things up for me. it's kinda weird, but it's good to know Heart will also play in WCS qualifiers next season. He is attending college in Taiwan and living there, only flying to Korea to his GSL matches. Oh yeah I totally forgot about him. KingkOng qualifying next season is also a possibility, which would put the number of Koreans in WCS at eight.
I would be totally ok if all eight qualify to next WCS Season. Kinda out of this discussion, but am I the only one that thinks China should have 2 spots in premier instead of 4 and Europe 16 instead of 14? In the old WCS AM Challenger Qualifiers Taiwan, China and Oceania/SEA had the same amount of spots in challenger (3), why does china have 2 more than the rest now?
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