On January 28 2015 09:53 ivancype wrote: If you enter the competition you should accept the fact that there is a chance to play in Germany or US. Yes, someone made a mistake in the first draw, ESL had to correct it and they did.
Suppy is essentially complaining he run out of luck. Because that is how he got to play in US in the first draw, luck.
I'm complaining because I requested NA before premier was drawn and they told me they'd try their best. I was then told that I was to play in the US studio which I was ecstatic about. Then, because someone made a mistake, they redrew and made me in EU instead. That is a mistake I had absolutely nothing to do with but now I might not be able to play at all. With WCS this year I wasn't even aware that there would be two studios until after my challenger match. Even if it was luck that I drew the U.S. studio the first time I shouldn't have to lose that because someone else made a mistake.
And I am sorry Suppy, after all these broken promises you have good reason to be sad and angry, but i still think what I said is valid. Hope this situation is fixed and you are able to play and I will cheer for you then.
Just wanted to say that I agree with you 100%. ESL screwed up their first draw very obviously on stream (when I saw the smiley face on the back of Naniwa's card and then heard Nathanias say, "Oh I'll just ignore it," I was dumbstruck because it's SO unprofessional.) Quite simply, it is impossible to perform a fair random drawing if you have extra information about one of the cards you could draw.
I would expect that kind of messed up drawing from people who don't know what they're doing, not a professional organization like ESL. Just to clarify, I don't blame Nathan, he was doing his best in a bad situation, but I do blame whoever organized that draw. Redrawing was the only correct decision under the circumstances.
As for Suppy's position, I do think that he has reason to be upset. Being told that you will play in USA and then switched to Germany a day later because someone ELSE screwed up must be enormously frustrating. Nevertheless, despite the numerous organizational flaws from Blizzard and ESL (map pools, the first drawing, dates announced so late), the fact that a qualified player will play in either Germany or USA, selected by random chance, was made clear to ALL of us several weeks ago. Suppy got lucky the first draw and unlucky the second. But he knew that he might be forced to make this choice a while ago, and, quite simply, he must decide whether school or WCS is more important to him. He has to figure out how to balance the two in his life. It is a choice he must make for himself.
I thought the previous groups were much more exciting. And more evenly distributed in skill overall. Oh well. And its a shame about Suppy and Kane. My predictions (without considering possible or probable travelling and Visa problems):
Winner: ForGG! You went from a group with Polt and two guys who actually did decent against Korean Terrans to a group with FireCake. Everyone already expects you to be one of the top finishers this season, but now you have a group that's essentially just a chance for you to show off and demand a raise from Millenium.
Loser: Violet. You had some mid-level foreigners in your old group, and also Morrow. Now you have two of the best foreign Terrans and a not-too-shabby Mana, and your roommate will be practicing all three matchups. Getting moved to business class on your flight is one thing. Getting moved to business class from first class is something very different.
Winner: Catz! Your loss to Kelazhur meant didn't quite make into Premier, but you don't have a teamkill anymore! Iaguz and Hydra were split up, and neither of them are with Astrea! And while Astrea is probably considered an underdog in his group, Hydra's one of the top overall players, Iaguz has only one matchup to practice, and Astrea could still surprise people, because that man has never taken a third nexus in his LIFE. Also, yet again - the dude's name is Max Angel. El Cpitain's got it good.
Loser: Nazgul. Dude, how in the hell do you manage this? Liquid already HAD its requisite teamkill, now Bunny and Mana are in the same group together. Yes, it's a group stage, so theoretically they could both get out, but the other two players are Major and a Korean. Meanwhile, TLO is matched up with Top 2 players of three different regions, and while Snute's group is...sorry, hold that thought, my HTC phone is ringing.
Winner: Literally every viewer! FireCake went from three ZvP opponents to one. For once, an ESL event might wind up not having unexpected delays.
Loser: Germany. One of the great joys of WCS is the ability for viewers all over the world to have a local hero to cheer for, and with the ESL Studios in Cologne broadcasting four groups, this is the perfect opportunity for the German fans to support both of their own boys. So I'd imagine this conversation happened somewhere: "What? The German player was drawn into an American group? Which one? ...BOTH of them? Donnerwetter!" (Note: I had to Google the proper spelling of Donnerwetter.)
This has been Winners and Losers, WCS Re-Draw Edition.
On January 28 2015 07:10 Circumstance wrote: Polt, Jim, TLO, Kelazhur. My pick for group of death.
Death for Kelazhur
Just when I wanted to see in what kind of group a player from LA, and brazilian nonetheless, (Mexico doesn't count) got into... Hmmm Guess I can root for him, at least.
Man this year so far full of DRAMA for Starcraft 2. Naniwa makes crazy return, People cant get visa's, Jaedong moving to America, WCS screws up first draft for premier....
On January 28 2015 07:46 swag_bro wrote: My predictions:
Kane, TargA, PiG, Happy - This group was very easy in terms of who will get out of the group. I chose Kane because he is just better than the other three. The 2nd person who will make it out of this group is a little more difficult to pick. I chose PiG because I feel that he is a very great Terran. How many players can proudly say that they defeated NesTea, a three time GSL winner and the most accomplished Zerg in SC2 to date? Not many people can make that claim. I normally would pick Happy, but he is a known cheater ever since the whole stream cheating on the Russian stream thing. I used to give Happy the benefit of the doubt for not being able to reproduce his online results offline.
viOLet, Bunny, MajOr, MaNa - viOLet is Korean playing against some Europeans and North Americans. Enough said. I didn't pick MajOr because he most likely will not even show up. Otherwise, I would pick him since he has winning records against top Koreans such as Polt. It was hard to pick either MaNa or Bunny, so I went with Bunny. Bunny's form has been better than MaNa's, despite his inability to beat easy opponents. Actually, with Bunny's form these days, he might actually win a PREMIER tournament.
Polt, TLO, Kelazhur, Jim - Polt is clearly superior to the other three players in this group. The person who might make it in 2nd place can either be TLO or Jim. TLO is well known by the SC2 community for being inconsistent so I will go with Jim. He is consistent enough and has some weird Chinese builds to back him up.
puCK, ForGG, Firecake, Sen - First place will obviously be fOrGG. The man beat Life, the WCS Finals 2014 champion, fresh off of his win. fOrGG is the best player out of any of these players right now. The next player to leave this group will be Sen. Sen is just looking too solid these days to lose to Firecake or... puCK.
Astrea, Snute, uThermal, XiGua - This group is just too easy to predict. Snute and XiGua, in that order. Snute is a tournament winner and XiGua is a WCG runner up. These players' achievements simply can't be ignored. BUT I can kind of see an Astrea beating Snute AND XiGua since he, after all, managed to beat Scarlett, the best foreign Zerg in the world if it was not for her wrists.
Hydra, ShoWTimE, MorroW, iAsonu - Hydra because he is Korean. Morrow is an IEM champion, and defeating Idra at that. Morrow will definitely make it out of this group. His play is too solid compared to the other foreigners.
Suppy, NaNiwa, Serral, Has - NaNiwa is the best foreigner in the world right now. There is nobody else, besides Stephano, who can suddenly come out of retirement and make it to premier without practice. Naniwa truly has the SC2 gift that all other players want. Although I think fOrGG will win this WCS, I think that NaNiwa will take second place losing 3-4 by some weird SCV pull from fOrGG. Second will probably be Has. Chinese players are almost as good as Koreans therefore being better than other foreigners.
HuK, Welmu, Iaguz, MacSed - Despite what people say about HuK being a washed up has been, he is still a top 5 foreigner. That is why he will make it out. 1,2 for Welmu, 3,4 for Iaguz, 5,6 for MacSed. I rolled a 2 on my dice. Welmu it is.
On January 28 2015 15:30 showstealer1829 wrote: Isn't it a little weird that the studio placements of this supposedly global (except for Korea) tourney is 7-1 EU?
Did you not read the OP? All 4 groups with a Chinese player are in Burbank.
Shit these groups really makes me sad compared to the last ones, these aren't as exciting in my opinion. I think Morrow got a really fun group so kind of hype for that but otherwise its kind of worse. Snute and Naniwas two groups are also pretty interesting but its sad that Nani is going to get wreckd by Serral.
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