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On January 28 2015 08:40 Boucot wrote:
While I understand Suppy's frustration, I think players should not be allowed to choose where they want to play, at all. WCS is the most professional SC2 western league in the world, it's not ESL's role to adapt to school schedules. The only issue they should handle is visas, that's all.
I would so love to see you and the horde of your apparent followers (because every second great mind in this thread feels it necessary to agree with this nonsense) trying to play SC2 on a top competitive level. You would make an opinion U-turn faster than you can say "entitled discussion hero". Seriously, this shit has to STOP.
The players are not our slaves. Their sole purpose in life is not to entertain us. It is a shitty thing to require unconditional commitment even from real professional athletes without regard to the fact that they are also living and feeling people, and it's incomparably more shittier to behave this way towards people who don't get paid exorbitant amounts of money - or often almost any money at all. ESL, Blizzard, whoever - and also us as for our part in making the public opinion - should support first and foremost the ability of young players to study alongside their "gaming career", because THAT'S WHAT'S FUCKING GOOD FOR THOSE PPLAYERS. How can you even call yourself somebody's "fan" if you don't want then to have a real future when they quit playing videogames?
As I already have said in the other thread, if you are willing to only watch competition between fully commited full-time professionals, get prepared to see the same like 5 people that the foreign scene is actually able to pay for over and over again. In the meanwhile, please stop behaving like an asshole towards people who work hard to entertain you while you are NOT paying them anything.
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On January 28 2015 16:36 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 08:40 Boucot wrote:
While I understand Suppy's frustration, I think players should not be allowed to choose where they want to play, at all. WCS is the most professional SC2 western league in the world, it's not ESL's role to adapt to school schedules. The only issue they should handle is visas, that's all. I would so love to see you and the horde of your apparent followers (because every second great mind in this thread feels it necessary to agree with this nonsense) trying to play SC2 on a top competitive level. You would make an opinion U-turn faster than you can say "entitled discussion hero". Seriously, this shit has to STOP. The players are not our slaves. Their sole purpose in life is not to entertain us. It is a shitty thing to require unconditional commitment even from real professional athletes without regard to the fact that they are also living and feeling people, and it's incomparably more shittier to behave this way towards people who don't get paid exorbitant amounts of money - or often almost any money at all. ESL, Blizzard, whoever - and also us as for our part in making the public opinion - should support first and foremost the ability of young players to study alongside their "gaming career", because THAT'S WHAT'S FUCKING GOOD FOR THOSE PPLAYERS. How can you even call yourself somebody's "fan" if you don't want then to have a real future when they quit playing videogames? As I already have said in the other thread, if you are willing to only watch competition between fully commited full-time professionals, get prepared to see the same like 5 people that the foreign scene is actually able to pay for over and over again. In the meanwhile, please stop behaving like an asshole towards people who work hard to entertain you while you are NOT paying them anything.
Not to mention that other sports do this all the time when scheduling. Admittedly it's harder for something like sc2 than a league where you know all the teams/players well in advance but if possible you should try to work out constraints the contestants have. Naturally there is a point where this isn't possible but if there was a way to seed suppy in NA without screwing over the draw then he should have been imo.
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On January 28 2015 17:04 gruff wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 16:36 opisska wrote:On January 28 2015 08:40 Boucot wrote:
While I understand Suppy's frustration, I think players should not be allowed to choose where they want to play, at all. WCS is the most professional SC2 western league in the world, it's not ESL's role to adapt to school schedules. The only issue they should handle is visas, that's all. I would so love to see you and the horde of your apparent followers (because every second great mind in this thread feels it necessary to agree with this nonsense) trying to play SC2 on a top competitive level. You would make an opinion U-turn faster than you can say "entitled discussion hero". Seriously, this shit has to STOP. The players are not our slaves. Their sole purpose in life is not to entertain us. It is a shitty thing to require unconditional commitment even from real professional athletes without regard to the fact that they are also living and feeling people, and it's incomparably more shittier to behave this way towards people who don't get paid exorbitant amounts of money - or often almost any money at all. ESL, Blizzard, whoever - and also us as for our part in making the public opinion - should support first and foremost the ability of young players to study alongside their "gaming career", because THAT'S WHAT'S FUCKING GOOD FOR THOSE PPLAYERS. How can you even call yourself somebody's "fan" if you don't want then to have a real future when they quit playing videogames? As I already have said in the other thread, if you are willing to only watch competition between fully commited full-time professionals, get prepared to see the same like 5 people that the foreign scene is actually able to pay for over and over again. In the meanwhile, please stop behaving like an asshole towards people who work hard to entertain you while you are NOT paying them anything. Not to mention that other sports do this all the time when scheduling. Admittedly it's harder for something like sc2 than a league where you know all the teams/players well in advance but if possible you should try to work out constraints the contestants have. Naturally there is a point where this isn't possible but if there was a way to seed suppy in NA without screwing over the draw then he should have been imo.
Yes, and we'll create a wonderful metagame, in which players can specify the studio they want to play in hopes of dodging a particular player. 
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The Firecake dream is over!
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Did they explained why they have put Mana and Happy in the pool of visa consideration and did not care about suppy visa problem?
I would have been doomed if they decide to send me in US...
edit : FireCake's dream is not over yet. Nobody predicted me to win against Starbuck.
I will surprise you again.
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On January 28 2015 17:35 FireCake wrote:
Did they explained why they have put Mana and Happy in the pool of visa consideration and did not care about suppy visa problem?
I would have been doomed if they decide to send me in US...
edit : FireCake's dream is not over yet. Nobody predicted me to win against Starbuck.
I will surprise you again.
Actually 527 out of 1277 betters did.
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On January 28 2015 13:33 Circumstance wrote:
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Loser: Germany. One of the great joys of WCS is the ability for viewers all over the world to have a local hero to cheer for, and with the ESL Studios in Cologne broadcasting four groups, this is the perfect opportunity for the German fans to support both of their own boys. So I'd imagine this conversation happened somewhere: "What? The German player was drawn into an American group? Which one? ...BOTH of them? Donnerwetter!" (Note: I had to Google the proper spelling of Donnerwetter.)
This has been Winners and Losers, WCS Re-Draw Edition.
Donnerwetter! ... That's so dated, in a lovely way 
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On January 28 2015 17:35 FireCake wrote:
Did they explained why they have put Mana and Happy in the pool of visa consideration and did not care about suppy visa problem?
I would have been doomed if they decide to send me in US...
edit : FireCake's dream is not over yet. Nobody predicted me to win against Starbuck.
I will surprise you again.
Suppy has no visa problems, his problems are because of studies. I think you are referring to Kane.
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On January 28 2015 07:41 Teapea wrote:He said something like you he can only be 90 days in EU every 180 days.. And he was in EU for 90 days just, and left in December. So he can't enter EU.
That doesn't seem right though..?
First of all, Canadians having problems with Visas to EU seems really weird, basically anyone and their grandmother can get Visas to EU. Sure, maybe not working visas, but do you really need that?
Second of all, as far as I know, he was in Switzerland. Switzerland is not part of EU while Germany is. There should be different visas to Switzerland and to Germany.
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Is Morrow back to playing Zerg?
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Hmm, fairly bland. ForGG has to carry the Terran torch
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If someone can't compete due to personal issues (study, visa), he just should be replaced. That's the way it works in tournaments as well.
My opinion
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On January 28 2015 18:35 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 07:41 Teapea wrote:On January 28 2015 07:36 Thax wrote:
Why can't Kane travel to Europe? He said something like you he can only be 90 days in EU every 180 days.. And he was in EU for 90 days just, and left in December. So he can't enter EU. That doesn't seem right though..? First of all, Canadians having problems with Visas to EU seems really weird, basically anyone and their grandmother can get Visas to EU. Sure, maybe not working visas, but do you really need that? Second of all, as far as I know, he was in Switzerland. Switzerland is not part of EU while Germany is. There should be different visas to Switzerland and to Germany.
The usual 90 days visa can only be obtained once in 6 months and since Switzerland is part of the Schengen Agreement, it does not matter where (within the Schengen region) the visa was issued.
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On January 28 2015 17:35 FireCake wrote:
Did they explained why they have put Mana and Happy in the pool of visa consideration and did not care about suppy visa problem?
I would have been doomed if they decide to send me in US...
edit : FireCake's dream is not over yet. Nobody predicted me to win against Starbuck.
I will surprise you again.
I was talking about the dream of watching you spooning 3 protoss to death in a row with SH for the longest WCS group to date where casters should rotate to entertain us for the 10-ish hours of SH-spooning. (you should have lost in winner bracket though)
I am just less confident for you to obtain a stalemate state of the game in TvZ than in TvP where you have shown us that you were the best at it. For ZvZ I have enough Stephano stream to convince me that you can stalemate for more than 2 hours.
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On January 28 2015 17:04 gruff wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 16:36 opisska wrote:On January 28 2015 08:40 Boucot wrote:
While I understand Suppy's frustration, I think players should not be allowed to choose where they want to play, at all. WCS is the most professional SC2 western league in the world, it's not ESL's role to adapt to school schedules. The only issue they should handle is visas, that's all. I would so love to see you and the horde of your apparent followers (because every second great mind in this thread feels it necessary to agree with this nonsense) trying to play SC2 on a top competitive level. You would make an opinion U-turn faster than you can say "entitled discussion hero". Seriously, this shit has to STOP. The players are not our slaves. Their sole purpose in life is not to entertain us. It is a shitty thing to require unconditional commitment even from real professional athletes without regard to the fact that they are also living and feeling people, and it's incomparably more shittier to behave this way towards people who don't get paid exorbitant amounts of money - or often almost any money at all. ESL, Blizzard, whoever - and also us as for our part in making the public opinion - should support first and foremost the ability of young players to study alongside their "gaming career", because THAT'S WHAT'S FUCKING GOOD FOR THOSE PPLAYERS. How can you even call yourself somebody's "fan" if you don't want then to have a real future when they quit playing videogames? As I already have said in the other thread, if you are willing to only watch competition between fully commited full-time professionals, get prepared to see the same like 5 people that the foreign scene is actually able to pay for over and over again. In the meanwhile, please stop behaving like an asshole towards people who work hard to entertain you while you are NOT paying them anything. Not to mention that other sports do this all the time when scheduling. Admittedly it's harder for something like sc2 than a league where you know all the teams/players well in advance but if possible you should try to work out constraints the contestants have. Naturally there is a point where this isn't possible but if there was a way to seed suppy in NA without screwing over the draw then he should have been imo.
I wholeheartedly agree with those two comments. I mean yes, ideally, players should be able to schedule school/professional obligations with their pro carreer. But that would require, at first, having an exact and known well in advance schedule for WCS, which Blizzard still refuses to do despite GSL doing it. How are you supposed to schedule your obligations around a tournament in which the dates are known one or two weeks before? In any "real" sport, the dates at which big tournaments happen are known several months, at least, before the competition happens.
The first part of supporting a pro scene is supporting the players that are part of it.
On January 28 2015 17:20 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 17:04 gruff wrote:On January 28 2015 16:36 opisska wrote:On January 28 2015 08:40 Boucot wrote:
While I understand Suppy's frustration, I think players should not be allowed to choose where they want to play, at all. WCS is the most professional SC2 western league in the world, it's not ESL's role to adapt to school schedules. The only issue they should handle is visas, that's all. I would so love to see you and the horde of your apparent followers (because every second great mind in this thread feels it necessary to agree with this nonsense) trying to play SC2 on a top competitive level. You would make an opinion U-turn faster than you can say "entitled discussion hero". Seriously, this shit has to STOP. The players are not our slaves. Their sole purpose in life is not to entertain us. It is a shitty thing to require unconditional commitment even from real professional athletes without regard to the fact that they are also living and feeling people, and it's incomparably more shittier to behave this way towards people who don't get paid exorbitant amounts of money - or often almost any money at all. ESL, Blizzard, whoever - and also us as for our part in making the public opinion - should support first and foremost the ability of young players to study alongside their "gaming career", because THAT'S WHAT'S FUCKING GOOD FOR THOSE PPLAYERS. How can you even call yourself somebody's "fan" if you don't want then to have a real future when they quit playing videogames? As I already have said in the other thread, if you are willing to only watch competition between fully commited full-time professionals, get prepared to see the same like 5 people that the foreign scene is actually able to pay for over and over again. In the meanwhile, please stop behaving like an asshole towards people who work hard to entertain you while you are NOT paying them anything. Not to mention that other sports do this all the time when scheduling. Admittedly it's harder for something like sc2 than a league where you know all the teams/players well in advance but if possible you should try to work out constraints the contestants have. Naturally there is a point where this isn't possible but if there was a way to seed suppy in NA without screwing over the draw then he should have been imo. Yes, and we'll create a wonderful metagame, in which players can specify the studio they want to play in hopes of dodging a particular player.
Yeah, God forbid we verify the players' claims, right?
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On January 28 2015 17:35 FireCake wrote:
Did they explained why they have put Mana and Happy in the pool of visa consideration and did not care about suppy visa problem?
I would have been doomed if they decide to send me in US...
edit : FireCake's dream is not over yet. Nobody predicted me to win against Starbuck.
I will surprise you again.
Please be gentle, oh mighty SH one.
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On January 28 2015 08:03 SuperHofmann wrote:
I'm sad
Is he complaining here that the first draw put him in a group that would have played in the U.S. and the second draw put him in a group that will play in Europe?
I thought the first draw could have put him in a group that played in Europe as well, it was just the luck of the draw that prevented that.
If so, this "complain" makes no sense and is an advocate of teaching logic in school.
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On January 28 2015 16:36 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 08:40 Boucot wrote:
While I understand Suppy's frustration, I think players should not be allowed to choose where they want to play, at all. WCS is the most professional SC2 western league in the world, it's not ESL's role to adapt to school schedules. The only issue they should handle is visas, that's all. I would so love to see you and the horde of your apparent followers (because every second great mind in this thread feels it necessary to agree with this nonsense) trying to play SC2 on a top competitive level. You would make an opinion U-turn faster than you can say "entitled discussion hero". Seriously, this shit has to STOP. The players are not our slaves.
It's never been shocking to anyone that players from SEA or China had to travel to USA to play in WCS the last two years. Suddenly people from USA or Europe have to travel a bit as well and that makes us slave traders? Please consider what you're saying....
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On January 28 2015 18:35 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2015 07:41 Teapea wrote:On January 28 2015 07:36 Thax wrote:
Why can't Kane travel to Europe? He said something like you he can only be 90 days in EU every 180 days.. And he was in EU for 90 days just, and left in December. So he can't enter EU. That doesn't seem right though..? First of all, Canadians having problems with Visas to EU seems really weird, basically anyone and their grandmother can get Visas to EU. Sure, maybe not working visas, but do you really need that? Second of all, as far as I know, he was in Switzerland. Switzerland is not part of EU while Germany is. There should be different visas to Switzerland and to Germany.
EU so complcated ~
I remember being in thailand and wanting to go to laos.
Gave then 500 bath and boom instant visa :D
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