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KCM Race Survival finals

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Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia424 Posts
May 30 2024 12:38 GMT
#1
If you have not seen the finals today yet between Protoss and Zerg, make an educated guess who won:

Poll: Who won?

Zerg (7)
 
64%

Protoss (4)
 
36%

11 total votes

Your vote: Who won?

(Vote): Protoss
(Vote): Zerg

j.r.r.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3117 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-05-30 15:35:10
May 30 2024 15:34 GMT
#2
Posting the lineups would make it easier for an educated guess.

Only caught the last game in which
+ Show Spoiler +
Soulkey, after falling super far behind, once again decided to do a double Hydra Den all-in bust after already going for Spire tech, like what he did to Bisu in the last ASL, and succeeded again.

What a genius move that only the best Zerg in the world can think of and pull off (twice) in the 25 years of BW history, because it requires super sharp timing, and not like any foreigner Zerg like Eon can do.


Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia424 Posts
May 30 2024 16:31 GMT
#3
On May 31 2024 00:34 TMNT wrote:
Posting the lineups would make it easier for an educated guess.

Only caught the last game in which
+ Show Spoiler +
Soulkey, after falling super far behind, once again decided to do a double Hydra Den all-in bust after already going for Spire tech, like what he did to Bisu in the last ASL, and succeeded again.

What a genius move that only the best Zerg in the world can think of and pull off (twice) in the 25 years of BW history, because it requires super sharp timing, and not like any foreigner Zerg like Eon can do.




I love your spoiler comment
j.r.r.
bochs
Profile Joined February 2022
116 Posts
May 30 2024 16:51 GMT
#4
Soulkey is a rare kind of player, a grand master of both late game iron wall defense, and early game timing aggression.
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia424 Posts
May 30 2024 19:05 GMT
#5
KCM Race Survival champions per race:

T 14
Z 11
P 4

Bonus: win/loss ratio in the finals per matchup:
TvZ 51 v 34 wins = 60%
ZvP 34 v 18 wins = 65,4%
TvP 15 v 13 wins = 53,6%
j.r.r.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1119 Posts
May 31 2024 18:46 GMT
#6
On May 31 2024 04:05 Rainalcar wrote:
KCM Race Survival champions per race:

T 14
Z 11
P 4

Bonus: win/loss ratio in the finals per matchup:
TvZ 51 v 34 wins = 60%
ZvP 34 v 18 wins = 65,4%
TvP 15 v 13 wins = 53,6%

Zvp somewhat lopsided because of specifically soma and now soulkey lol. Soma would get so many all kills(sometimes almost) in KCM over the years it was disgusting.
JDON MY SOUL!
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia424 Posts
May 31 2024 22:02 GMT
#7
On June 01 2024 03:46 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2024 04:05 Rainalcar wrote:
KCM Race Survival champions per race:

T 14
Z 11
P 4

Bonus: win/loss ratio in the finals per matchup:
TvZ 51 v 34 wins = 60%
ZvP 34 v 18 wins = 65,4%
TvP 15 v 13 wins = 53,6%

Zvp somewhat lopsided because of specifically soma and now soulkey lol. Soma would get so many all kills(sometimes almost) in KCM over the years it was disgusting.


Their stats:
Soulkey 4:1
Soma 10:3

Without them, ZvP is 20 v 14 = 58,8%
j.r.r.
bochs
Profile Joined February 2022
116 Posts
June 01 2024 05:51 GMT
#8
Soulkey performed poorly in KCM weekly matches (only won one game in total?), almost didn't make it into the playoff team, and then did much better during playoffs.

It has been a similar pattern for several KCM seasons (he didn't make it into the playoff team last season due to poor performance I believe). Anyone has a guess of the stark contrast?
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1119 Posts
June 01 2024 11:05 GMT
#9
On June 01 2024 14:51 bochs wrote:
Soulkey performed poorly in KCM weekly matches (only won one game in total?), almost didn't make it into the playoff team, and then did much better during playoffs.

It has been a similar pattern for several KCM seasons (he didn't make it into the playoff team last season due to poor performance I believe). Anyone has a guess of the stark contrast?

he shines when more is at risk. more stress more power.
JDON MY SOUL!
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria379 Posts
June 02 2024 01:17 GMT
#10
Tesagi my friends. Also SK imba.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4235 Posts
June 02 2024 12:51 GMT
#11
sickening
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia424 Posts
June 02 2024 15:04 GMT
#12
On May 31 2024 04:05 Rainalcar wrote:
KCM Race Survival champions per race:

T 14
Z 11
P 4

Bonus: win/loss ratio in the finals per matchup:
TvZ 51 v 34 wins = 60%
ZvP 34 v 18 wins = 65,4%
TvP 15 v 13 wins = 53,6%


It would be interesting to know the stats for the whole kcm, but that's too much for me.
j.r.r.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey756 Posts
June 03 2024 06:25 GMT
#13
SK vs others
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13304 Posts
June 03 2024 13:30 GMT
#14
Remember the half hearted attempts during the last ASL from some to cry that PvZ was imba against zergs.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia424 Posts
June 03 2024 16:34 GMT
#15
On June 03 2024 22:30 RowdierBob wrote:
Remember the half hearted attempts during the last ASL from some to cry that PvZ was imba against zergs.


Who could forget
j.r.r.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3117 Posts
June 03 2024 17:02 GMT
#16
On June 03 2024 22:30 RowdierBob wrote:
Remember the half hearted attempts during the last ASL from some to cry that PvZ was imba against zergs.

To be fair they were saying ZvP is getting harder than it used to be, not that it favors P.

In other words, it used to be close to 60% for Zerg, they're not happy that the last map pool makes it closer to 50%.
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
June 04 2024 21:57 GMT
#17
On June 04 2024 02:02 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2024 22:30 RowdierBob wrote:
Remember the half hearted attempts during the last ASL from some to cry that PvZ was imba against zergs.

To be fair they were saying ZvP is getting harder than it used to be, not that it favors P.

In other words, it used to be close to 60% for Zerg, they're not happy that the last map pool makes it closer to 50%.


While ZvT remains at 40%? Why would zergs be happy about 40% ZvT 50% ZvP. That's like 45% win rate. One guy is also dominating. (Soulkey) and not the other zergs. I don't see anyone except hero/Soulkey actually winning tbh
Life is just life
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8161 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-05 00:51:14
June 05 2024 00:50 GMT
#18
On June 01 2024 14:51 bochs wrote:
Soulkey performed poorly in KCM weekly matches (only won one game in total?), almost didn't make it into the playoff team, and then did much better during playoffs.

It has been a similar pattern for several KCM seasons (he didn't make it into the playoff team last season due to poor performance I believe). Anyone has a guess of the stark contrast?


This reminds me, does anyone know the criteria for lineup picking each week and during playoffs/finals? Some weeks have really lopsided teams (IE 1 team basically bring out all B-teamers while the other teams are totally stacked), and then sometimes during playoffs/finals the best players on a race aren't even playing. I assumed it was just player availability but is there some sort of league logic that qualifies certain players each week?
Free Palestine
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3117 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-05 07:47:24
June 05 2024 07:45 GMT
#19
For weekly matchups, mostly on availability.

For playoffs, on players' record after the 8 weeks (and availability too).

Zerg and Terran lineups tend to be diverse than Protoss. For example, last season it was basically 3 out of Mini Bisu Best Snow every week for Protoss. Basically that's how they finished top in the first round of the last two seasons (by fielding your A players against Terran and Zerg's A+B players).
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2593 Posts
June 05 2024 08:21 GMT
#20
Does anybody feel that the getting 3rd place / 2nd place really isn't that much of a disadvantage going into the playoffs? It's like one match to get into the finals.
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
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