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On January 08 2015 18:43 HaRuHi wrote: Can someone explain the mousesports logo to me? I don't see a mouse, only a magic lantern. :<
the mouse is looking to the right. The big loop is its ear outline
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This is really the matter of opinion again. The beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. Personally I think the virtus pro-logo you're praising is very uninspirational and drowns to the masses, since it looks like every other ice-hockey team logo.
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We are not talking beauty here logos are not paintings. We are talking efficiency. Brand. Your logo needs to be easily recognizable, needs to be able to fit any size etc. the complexity logo is just awful in every regard.
The virtus pro logo is really simple and I agree on the uninspirational part but it is very efficient at what it is supposed to do.
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On January 08 2015 15:48 MrBitter wrote: Cool post.
I think this is really more a discussion about logos and how your logo can help distinguish your brand.
So much more goes into brand management than just the (admittedly very important) logo.
While Virtus Pro has a killer logo, how effective or powerful is their brand? When you think out Virtus Pro, does it inspire anything more than the thought of "that's an eSports team, right?"
Liquid on the other hand is a phenomenal example of a great brand: eSports, yes, but also synonymous with high level StarCraft, with hard core gaming and gamers. Community. Competition. Some might even argue family.
Brand is the strength behind that logo. People don't see the Liquid logo and think "Oh, that's an eSports team, right?". They see the logo and think "That organization really defines what eSports is all about".
Now, tackling the question of how you create that is a different can of worms entirely. Those are very good points Ben. I kind of skirted the larger scope of things because I don't really have a good answer to that at the moment; what I could discuss was better asset management from organizations at least a little, though I do meander a little...
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On January 08 2015 18:21 Torte de Lini wrote:How do I upload a document? I can upload the full brand guide of what Clauf was if you guys want an example. It's in Korean though, so it might be a bit difficult to understand.
I agree with Mr. Bitter that I thought this was actual brand management (Team Liquid is a brand). Though I think I'm a bit more skeptical in just how recognized and synonymous TL is with eSports as a whole. Thankfully, that's improving more and more.
fuck you
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On January 08 2015 18:45 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 18:43 HaRuHi wrote: Can someone explain the mousesports logo to me? I don't see a mouse, only a magic lantern. :< the mouse is looking to the right. The big loop is its ear outline
Thank you Torte de Lini <3
Found a link where someone colored the logo + Show Spoiler +
I guess they really don't know how to draw a mouse. ^^
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On January 09 2015 03:22 RouaF wrote:We are not talking beauty here logos are not paintings. We are talking efficiency. Brand. Your logo needs to be easily recognizable, needs to be able to fit any size etc. the complexity logo is just awful in every regard. The virtus pro logo is really simple and I agree on the uninspirational part but it is very efficient at what it is supposed to do. Well.. Not all logos need to be simple or have as much parallel lines than possible. Not all logos even need to be shrinked into 1x1pixel size nor need to resemble an animal head. Not all of them needs to be simple enough to be easily printed into t-shirt. Some logos are designed not to draw attention at all. Some of them does not need to be easily re-created or used by other than the author. I agree, the complexity logo is awful looking. But so is the polar bear one too imo, but it does it's job I guess. I've never seen complexity team or the polar bear team, but if I'd have to pick one to root just by their logos, I'd go with complexity. I'd pick it just becouse the looks of it does not bring thoughts about money hungry sponsor owned team like the polar bear one does.
Just remember that not all logos are designed for competetive playing teams, and there are also cultural differences too that might affect on how "effective" the logo is. I really think that that a logo can be beatiful and complex too, and effective for it's purpose in the same time.
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Can I just comment on the irony of the "Team" in Team Liquid's logo being near-invisible on their own site?
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On January 09 2015 04:31 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 18:21 Torte de Lini wrote:How do I upload a document? I can upload the full brand guide of what Clauf was if you guys want an example. It's in Korean though, so it might be a bit difficult to understand.
I agree with Mr. Bitter that I thought this was actual brand management (Team Liquid is a brand). Though I think I'm a bit more skeptical in just how recognized and synonymous TL is with eSports as a whole. Thankfully, that's improving more and more. fuck you
cloud + roof . there's nothing right about that. lol
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On January 09 2015 10:02 WolfintheSheep wrote: Can I just comment on the irony of the "Team" in Team Liquid's logo being near-invisible on their own site?
What?
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On January 09 2015 16:39 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 10:02 WolfintheSheep wrote: Can I just comment on the irony of the "Team" in Team Liquid's logo being near-invisible on their own site? What? Yeah I don't get it :D
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On January 09 2015 04:31 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 18:21 Torte de Lini wrote:How do I upload a document? I can upload the full brand guide of what Clauf was if you guys want an example. It's in Korean though, so it might be a bit difficult to understand.
I agree with Mr. Bitter that I thought this was actual brand management (Team Liquid is a brand). Though I think I'm a bit more skeptical in just how recognized and synonymous TL is with eSports as a whole. Thankfully, that's improving more and more. fuck you
Pretty much the summation of your personality and wit in one.
I think for brand logos, it's important to have some publicly available art assets either in a downloadable press kit or something. It's always an annoyance to look for a team's logo and then have to find it without a background or poor resolution, size, etc.
On January 09 2015 10:45 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 04:31 Waxangel wrote:On January 08 2015 18:21 Torte de Lini wrote:How do I upload a document? I can upload the full brand guide of what Clauf was if you guys want an example. It's in Korean though, so it might be a bit difficult to understand.
I agree with Mr. Bitter that I thought this was actual brand management (Team Liquid is a brand). Though I think I'm a bit more skeptical in just how recognized and synonymous TL is with eSports as a whole. Thankfully, that's improving more and more. fuck you cloud + roof . there's nothing right about that. lol
I'm more specifying the logo, not the company. As a logo, I think it is simple and plays into a lot of wolfwood is mentioning.
No comment on the name evidently.
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On January 09 2015 18:21 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 16:39 GGzerG wrote:On January 09 2015 10:02 WolfintheSheep wrote: Can I just comment on the irony of the "Team" in Team Liquid's logo being near-invisible on their own site? What? Yeah I don't get it :D The TL logo used as an example in the OP. Light blue letters against a light blue background.
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Yeah, wo1fwood! This was a great article. I agree on all pointers, even on the NSH and Prime logo thing, and thank you for doing this! :D
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On January 09 2015 20:49 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 18:21 ZenithM wrote:On January 09 2015 16:39 GGzerG wrote:On January 09 2015 10:02 WolfintheSheep wrote: Can I just comment on the irony of the "Team" in Team Liquid's logo being near-invisible on their own site? What? Yeah I don't get it :D The TL logo used as an example in the OP. Light blue letters against a light blue background. I've always found this issue to be kind of amusing as part of the problem with that is that the "team" part of the logo below also would nearly unintelligible on white backgrounds, which would be problematic for print.
not official colors
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It needs black bordering.
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Pretty cool. A lot of organizations and teams are really bad at these stuff, although to be honest, i don't think that the TL logo is a big problem. Maybe on the management part its bad, however even if on the team shirts and on this page they use blue on a blue background, is totally readeably because its a totally different kind of blue. But not only the team managment and logos in general are bad, also some of their names are the worst thing ever, trough the past few days i started to analize a lot of people and team nicknames and how they manage their brand and have found that pretty much all are terrible lol, esport teams and personalities have a long way to go.
But, it blows my mind how amazingly good the nickname Day[9] is, that guys a genius.
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For bad nicknames one needs to look no further than "the boys in blue".... Now is that EG, or Liquid... I can track that idiom back to about 2011 for both organizations.
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Akin to Torte's comment... I think I have a brand book for Uconn Athletics lying around the house if anyone wants me to scan some pages in. It would be the old logo, not the fraudulent one they have now.
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i truly didn't know that making a logo was such a hard task with a lot of problems to deal with
thanks for this blog
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