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On March 26 2014 17:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 17:34 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2014 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 17:26 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2014 17:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:marv please come here and stop Holyflare.  or phagga. or anyone with brain. lol, i have no idea what to think of this. like, how can someone twist everything so badly. because you put me in a fowl mood by being a dick to me instead of actually attempting to talk things through with me so of course it's made my judgement clouded because you are a twat Okay take a break for a while or read the thread again, it's not so big. You are repeatedly jumping to conclusions that are false just because you assume you know better than the person who made those posts in the first place. Everything i have said i have explained and it makes perfect sense (besides the last thrawn post but i want opinions first before i state my conclusions on that). If you are town don't jump on the first conclusion you can remotely think of, think a bit more please. You are better than this. you know what stops that? not calling things "shit logic" or "bad" and instead talking about WHY it is bad or bad logic, tell us why thrawn is mafia for that post I am sorry i genuinely wanted other people's opinions on me before being clear. I could have told you where you go wrong in the first place but that would have probably ended up in thrawn getting away with his shit.
so then you keep doing something that is scummy and call me scummy for pointing that out...? you serious bro?
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On March 26 2014 17:15 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 17:08 phagga wrote:On March 26 2014 17:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2014 16:54 phagga wrote:On March 26 2014 16:32 Holyflare wrote:
because his initial read was your FIRST POST didn't contain a smiley, none of the games you have played as mafia ever contain a smiley in your first post so then he says it's your other posts that didn't convince him that you weren't town so then it's your other posts and not only your first post and THEN he says you haven't posted an out of place smiley in any of your posts
if this was his initial read it would stated first about the smiley thing in all of your posts, not just your first post Again, you are either not reading correctly or twisting around words: Robik said "in the firsts post s, not the first post. On March 26 2014 13:33 IAmRobik wrote:Cause I do read him town off of that 1 post mostly. Having said that, none of his posts this game have made me change my opinion of him. Also, he hasn't posted a smiley emoticon in the first few posts of his, which indicates further than he's town [red] Mafia Rayn would end this post with
On March 26 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Town wins this belt.
and no, you are misreading. He says he would post a smiley emoticon after his FIRST POST and this is fucking redundant because my vote is on rayn for the reasons i have stated so many many many times That's only half his post, are you not reading the rest or what? You're the one still pushing the point with the first post and the smiley, so why is it suddenly redundant? because my vote is not on him it is on rayn for doing everything that he just did, also the fact that when i questioned robik his first response was: Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 13:13 IAmRobik wrote:On March 26 2014 13:06 Holyflare wrote:Ok, Palmar is 100% mafia for this small comment that nobody picked up on. On March 26 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Town wins this belt. On March 26 2014 08:13 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:11 thrawn2112 wrote:
witchcraft 2 My idea kinda died anyway. I just remembered that [red]rayn also did a townclaim at the beginning of titanic, and that he didn't really in foundation, but reading back I found that he opened with that unvoting plan in default suspicion, so whatever. In no way shape or form does rayn "town claim" like Palmar says flat out. It's a statement that is alignment null. He could be town, he could be mafia. Who knows? Palmar knows, that's who. ##Vote Palmar I mean...I agree that palmar is scum, but I disagree with your whole post. I took Rayn's post as a town claim, and I read him town from it (cause I'm the sick-nastiest at tone reads....and I read Rayn like a boss). This implies that his read on rayn was based on his first post and I established that the smiley stuff that he brought up later was to do with his FIRST POST and not his later posts which he only mentioned after i questioned him. Like I said, it's a lie because rayns first post never contains a smiley face. I've said this all before. Phagga, what do you think of rayns logic on thrawn? You haven't commented on any of it, only about me.
Rayn gives the following reasons for scumThrawn:
- Thrawn calls rayn scum because of rayns townrobik read
- Thrawn says rayn has a townread on Holyflare
- Thrawn does not jump to conclusions with incomplete information as town
1 and 2 are obvious, he did not know the reason for either town read. Regarding three, I don't know how thrawn plays. Since I read rayn rather town currently I am inclined to believe him that thrawn would not play that way.
When he explained his read on robik, I can follow it. Also, the discussion early on between gumshoe and Palmar would have been a good moment to try framing gumshoe, but he tried to diffuse the situation instead.
I don't like how he attacked you needlessly without giving the information you wanted, but generally he comes off as genuine to me, and I agree with him that points you brought up against him are weak and/or false.
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On March 26 2014 17:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 17:31 Holyflare wrote:thrawn you mafia bro: the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content... Rayns post is at 14:12 On March 26 2014 14:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: On March 26 2014 14:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
##unvote
##vote: rayn thrawn's vote is at 14:22 after already questioning about the content at 14:19 On March 26 2014 14:19 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn are you scumreading robik? just say it if you are so his vote came after all of that I don't get this. Can you elaborate more?
just tell me your reason that you posted a giant wall of ahahahaha's
this reason is that he said he "voted you for the tone of your post" regardless of any of the content, he did not vote until he had read the content and got you to expand on it so his initial "vote for the tone of your post" wasn't true and even if it was it would be a vote on nothing because you can't read tone without content
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On March 26 2014 17:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
lol what happened?
are you a jobber bro?
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On March 26 2014 17:40 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 17:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 17:34 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2014 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 17:26 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2014 17:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:marv please come here and stop Holyflare. or phagga. or anyone with brain. lol, i have no idea what to think of this. like, how can someone twist everything so badly. because you put me in a fowl mood by being a dick to me instead of actually attempting to talk things through with me so of course it's made my judgement clouded because you are a twat Okay take a break for a while or read the thread again, it's not so big. You are repeatedly jumping to conclusions that are false just because you assume you know better than the person who made those posts in the first place. Everything i have said i have explained and it makes perfect sense (besides the last thrawn post but i want opinions first before i state my conclusions on that). If you are town don't jump on the first conclusion you can remotely think of, think a bit more please. You are better than this. you know what stops that? not calling things "shit logic" or "bad" and instead talking about WHY it is bad or bad logic, tell us why thrawn is mafia for that post I am sorry i genuinely wanted other people's opinions on me before being clear. I could have told you where you go wrong in the first place but that would have probably ended up in thrawn getting away with his shit. so then you keep doing something that is scummy and call me scummy for pointing that out...? you serious bro?
No i don't think anything i have done is scummy. I agree it's not as townie as it could be (regarding your play in case you are town) but then again i do not know if you are town or not. I also never lied, i never said anything i did not mean to say. I said i don't care about your read on me (based on bad stuff) and i asked you to stop. I also said what i think of your conclusions (robik didn't lie, your case on me was bad and invalid, case on Palmar was bad). That's not scummy. I simply refused to contribute more until i could gain more info on the events that were going on, which i think i clearly expressed.
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On March 26 2014 17:45 Holyflare wrote:are you a jobber bro?
hmm?
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On March 26 2014 17:45 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 17:45 Holyflare wrote:On March 26 2014 17:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
lol what happened? are you a jobber bro? hmm?
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it's quite simplez are you a jobber or a heel!
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which one of those is town? i'm that one
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I mean, if i had a really strong townread on you i would have acted otherwise.
But i didn't, so this gave me the most information possible.
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On March 26 2014 17:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
which one of those is town? i'm that one
you should know if you are town! :OOOOO
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is that british slang? i'm pretty sure jobber is?
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On March 26 2014 12:39 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:26 Palmar wrote:
Also regarding genuine, no matter my alignment I would always be genuine right now. There is a reason I asked rayn the question, and that reason exists whether or not I am mafia or town. So why do you say I am not genuine? ##vote PalmarExplanation: Palmar is self-conscious mafia, so when he is writing this sentence, he feels the need to add the "or town" even though the sentence actually should end on "whether or not i am mafia" or it should read "whether i am mafia or town". It can't be both. Trust me on this one. I found our first mafia boys!
If anything you should conclude I'm town here for not proofreading my posts.
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On March 26 2014 17:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
is that british slang? i'm pretty sure jobber is?
nvm
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On March 26 2014 17:42 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 17:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 17:31 Holyflare wrote:thrawn you mafia bro: the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content... Rayns post is at 14:12 On March 26 2014 14:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: On March 26 2014 14:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
##unvote
##vote: rayn thrawn's vote is at 14:22 after already questioning about the content at 14:19 On March 26 2014 14:19 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn are you scumreading robik? just say it if you are so his vote came after all of that I don't get this. Can you elaborate more? just tell me your reason that you posted a giant wall of ahahahaha's this reason is that he said he "voted you for the tone of your post" regardless of any of the content, he did not vote until he had read the content and got you to expand on it so his initial "vote for the tone of your post" wasn't true and even if it was it would be a vote on nothing because you can't read tone without content
Yes in fact this is true. I didn't even look at when i answered his initial question.
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On March 26 2014 17:07 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 16:47 phagga wrote:On March 26 2014 16:08 thrawn2112 wrote:
lol rayn it's so funny watching you pretend like you know why i'm voting for you Why are you voting rayn? I don't see an explanation in your filter. then read it again. he's making stuff up and not making any sense. the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content... "2) My "town wins this belt" post was indeed a town claim. I was happy rolling town and i don't give a fuck who else is town because i just find two mafia and then town wins the belt. I am also amused that Robik has called my alignment correctly out three times based on my usage / usagelessness. I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative but i am really interested in seeing is so some sort of psychic or what because i have a townread on him in this game. I don't believe Robik yet, i mean, i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." -i doubt rayn doesn't care about winning the belt
Where does he say he does not care about the belt?
- "I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative" what the fuck does this even mean? if robik is scum then of course he is not "some sort of psychic" who is excellent at reading rayn. if robik is scum the robik KNOWS RAYN IS TOWN and doesn't need to try and figure out if rayn is town. like... i can't properly explain the problem I have with this quote because I don't even know what the quote is meant to say. it's just nonsense.
Ok, I think I understand what you mean here. Basically it's wrong to say "i don't think it's alignment indicative" because robik's townread on rayn could come from robik being scum, and the smiley thing could just be a thing to uphold meta and to explain his read.
-this line: "i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." WTF DOES THIS MEAN? it's the same as the earlier quote. rayn is just talking nonsense here which is the easiest way to figure out his alignment.
when I read rayn's game my first thought was "ok, rayn is being sarcastic for most if not all of this"
so I ask him to clarify if he was actually reading robik as scum
but he says all those statements are real? lol
However, he has by now explained why he reads robik as town, what do you think of his explanation?
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On March 26 2014 13:06 Holyflare wrote:Ok, Palmar is 100% mafia for this small comment that nobody picked up on. Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 08:13 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:11 thrawn2112 wrote:
witchcraft 2 My idea kinda died anyway. I just remembered that rayn also did a townclaim at the beginning of titanic, and that he didn't really in foundation, but reading back I found that he opened with that unvoting plan in default suspicion, so whatever. In no way shape or form does rayn "town claim" like Palmar says flat out. It's a statement that is alignment null. He could be town, he could be mafia. Who knows? Palmar knows, that's who. ##Vote Palmar
What have the sentences got to do with each other?
rayn does claim town, he even clarifies later that he was claiming town.
rayn claiming town doesn't say anything about his alignment.
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On March 26 2014 13:19 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 10:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:gumshoe, here is how i see it: On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else? Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other? On March 26 2014 08:38 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else? Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other? Over-explained answer could be indicative of scumshoe. He tried to over-explain shit last game (geript's PYP) as mafia and it backpedalled quite hard. He also knows i am a tunnely guy and he also knows my questions have motive behind them so therefore he knows he must answer to me. Joke is a joke, but gumshoe getting possibly scared as scum was worth a try. There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation. On March 26 2014 08:53 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:41 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 08:38 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else? Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other? Over-explained answer could be indicative of scumshoe. He tried to over-explain shit last game (geript's PYP) as mafia and it backpedalled quite hard. He also knows i am a tunnely guy and he also knows my questions have motive behind them so therefore he knows he must answer to me. Joke is a joke, but gumshoe getting possibly scared as scum was worth a try. There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation. Scum can be reasonable as well : P and this game is pretty stacked, mistakes this early on are not to be expected. I'm curious Palmer, what kind of reaction were you looking for out of Rayn, knowing farily well hed have an easy time answering your question as either alignment? If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia. On March 26 2014 08:54 Palmar wrote:
The point being that I did not see how any answer I expected could possibly have revealed anything about your alignment. Let me make myself Palmar for a second: "I don't get why you are asking gumshoe that shit. I can't think of a reason but maybe there is one. Let's see if there is a reason or not. Otherwise rayn is probably mafia. Okay he told me the reason, hmm.. seems reasonable, no need to pursue this further." Everything after that is explaining the motivation behind the original question. Now why is this not an acceptable scenario given the posts i quoted? I mean of course it's possible Palmar was just lazy scum who was not thinking at all and asked useless shit but is it more likely? I can't tell based on these relevant posts so i consider this a null-tell. So if you have some awesome evidence i have missed which proves Palmar was just making shit up for no reason please elaborate. I think you're missing gumshoe's point about this, or maybe I'm misunderstanding...either way -- MY THOUGHTS -- are that Palmar clarified that he asked the question of you to promote conversation. He then reiterated that it was just for the purpose of starting conversation... THEN he said that he ALSO did it because he thought Rayn was scummy. He just seems to be continuously contradicting himself. idk. I don't like you Palmar. PALMAR. I THINK YOU'RE SCUM.
Show me where.
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yeah i have no issues with the way rayn explained hiw town read on robik. but that explanation came when hf grilled rayn for that explanation, it was never part of rayn's intitial useless and confusing statements about robik being town where rayn had basically assumed that robik was town from the very start of that "game" post
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