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On August 30 2013 06:13 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 06:11 marvellosity wrote:
Hey all, weird shit going on. A few things before I forget
Hapa - what do you think of debears' comments on the 'scumcity' post from Onegu? Also (and genuine question I'd like answered) how are you feeling in general about this game so far?
rayn, I said to remind me to comment on that post of yours after Tutan came back, so anyways. It was about him mentioning Oats at the start of the post and rescinding it at the end of the post. You seemed to be quite suspicious of that but to me it seems like a natural flow of consciousness. I don't see how that can be seen as anything worse than null, and is probably a towntell.
Hopeless, if you are indeed town then this tunnel is the worst thing in the history of the universe. marv, you are the only one to come remotely close to commenting on my actual reasons for voting TK. Hapa has taken the same reason I call TK scum to call TK town. You essentially agree with Hapa. He is currently trying to round-about his way to explaining that to me, but i simply disagree with you two about the implications of changing your mind so suddenly.
Tell me what 'town' TK would/should have done? Or why what he didn't couldn't come from town? Or both indeed :p
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As far as secondary reads go, I can't say I have any strong ones right now. I have a group of people I'm leaning town on, and a group of people I think are null/lynch-bait.
For example, Onegu and Syl are pretty lynch-baity types.
Onegu seems like he's trying to contribute, but for whatever reason it's coming across as awkward. He's definetely +1'ing a lot of posts, but I really don't think that's malicious. Gut-read town on him.
Sylencia I get some scum-vibes from. He's always pretty lurky, but I'm used to him being more forceful/articulate with his reads. So when I see something like this...
On August 29 2013 16:30 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 16:21 sciberbia wrote:
Of course you can ask me who I think is mafia. I'm a little disappointed because there isn't much to go on yet, but my best guesses at mafia would be sn0_man, yourself, and yamato, in that order.
1) sn0_man for being in the thread for hours without doing anything relevant at all. And making some weird comment about being content with his vote on me, but then unvoting me for no reason.
2) Yourself for making some imo poor scumhunting attempts -- see above. Not sure how much of that is due to alchohol and how much due to your alignment though.
3) And yamato for being in the thread but avoiding engaging in discussion. Also I don't understand why marv is his strongest scumread for being useless when there is a whole handful of players who are as of yet equally useless.
I'd appreciate it if sylencia/tofu/yamato/anyone would chime in with agree/disagree on these three. Sn0, not really - reading his second post makes it look like he skimmed the thread, unvoted and went off to sleep or something. If he was around for hours I would've expected more than 2 posts there. debears - Agreed, mainly so far just due to the fact he's pushing on a lynch based on an exaggerated statement - at least I assume it was exaggerated. Given the rest of the post I'm quoting, maybe it's not but I saw it as being exaggerated. yamato - He's not avoiding discussion (I think), I just think his read on marv is weak.
It sets off some alarm bells. None of these are really... reads. Maybe the debears one could be considered a read, but he even back-tracks on himself and discredits himself while making it.
Also, after seemingly defending Sn0 above, he turns around and comes back finding Sn0 suspicious for the same reasons that he disagreed with Scib on:
On August 29 2013 21:44 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 29 2013 21:28 Sylencia wrote:On August 29 2013 21:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At this point i really don't see anyone being mafia other than FT, Sylencia and Tutankoopa.
Who's your top scumread(s) marv? How do you end up having a scum read on me literally every game on D1? Pretty much because if i am mafia you are pretty easy to attack, or if i am town you in my opinion comment on stuff i find irrelevant at that time. This game basically PoE atm. What's PoE, and what a brave self-incriminating sentence if you were scum. Too bad I don't see anything really different to your P4 play  That said, Sn0 is on the list for the same reason as FT. They both read, then both post crap a few hours later with the implication that they've read everything and then leave.
In Sn0's case he says he finds himself satisfied with his vote, meaning he found something scummy with scrib, but then unvotes saying it was utter bs and leaves.
That's a really huge shift in tone from the previous posts. In his previous post, he passively and wishy-washily disagrees with Sciberia on his Sn0 read, then all of a sudden in this post, basically mimic's Scib's logic and seemingly finds Sn0 to be a strong scum-read.
On a seperate note, Yamato falls into this null category for me right now. His early-game posting gave me town-vibes initially (sarcastic, fearless - more of a meta-thing). However he's done very little this game other than a) antagonize marv and b) make this terrible post about myself/marv and only being concerned about our allignments.
Really he just hasn't done anything this game. I'm leaning scum, but we'll see what he comes up with when he gets back.
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EBWOP *what he did, sorry
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On August 30 2013 06:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv i can understand the thought process as i said. I do not understand why people write posts before being fully caught up on thread? that makes zero sense to me because they base their posts on misinformation (or rather lack of all information). I asked Tutankoopa about it and he did not answer me. That's what's suspicious to me regarding the post you and i were talking about.
2 scenarios.
Example 1: A player has X read on Z player. He has not read the thread. He reads the thread changes his mind and then makes a post about how he used to have X read, but now he doesn't.
Example 2: What I did.
How are those functionally any different? You're getting the same information from me in either case.
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On August 30 2013 06:19 Tutankoopa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 06:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv i can understand the thought process as i said. I do not understand why people write posts before being fully caught up on thread? that makes zero sense to me because they base their posts on misinformation (or rather lack of all information). I asked Tutankoopa about it and he did not answer me. That's what's suspicious to me regarding the post you and i were talking about. 2 scenarios. Example 1: A player has X read on Z player. He has not read the thread. He reads the thread changes his mind and then makes a post about how he used to have X read, but now he doesn't. Example 2: What I did. How are those functionally any different? You're getting the same information from me in either case.
I (or anyone in my opinion) do not need to know what your read on X was 5 minutes or 3 hours ago if you have not posted in that timeframe. What matters is what you think of that said player X now and why. If i do not understand your thought process i ask you about it. I think Hopeless is right in saying your reads post was a big pile of nothing and i do not understand why you felt the need to tell what your read on Oats was before you caught up. So what if you thought he was scum then, who cares? It matter what you think of him now.
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....coming from the guy who posts his every goddamn thought. Seriously rayn?
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@hopeless1der
1) What was your genuine read on TK after his very first post of the game in which he voted rayn? Null, slightly scummy, scummy?
2) Why is the following not a plausible explanation for TK's actions:
First TK votes rayn for no reason cuz random bullshit phase. Then TK sees rayn doing some pretty confusing shit so asks him to explain. Then TK realizes that rayn is probably town for drawing attention and that his questions to rayn are going nowhere, so he retracts his vote and moves on with his life.
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On August 30 2013 06:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 06:13 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 30 2013 06:11 marvellosity wrote:
Hey all, weird shit going on. A few things before I forget
Hapa - what do you think of debears' comments on the 'scumcity' post from Onegu? Also (and genuine question I'd like answered) how are you feeling in general about this game so far?
rayn, I said to remind me to comment on that post of yours after Tutan came back, so anyways. It was about him mentioning Oats at the start of the post and rescinding it at the end of the post. You seemed to be quite suspicious of that but to me it seems like a natural flow of consciousness. I don't see how that can be seen as anything worse than null, and is probably a towntell.
Hopeless, if you are indeed town then this tunnel is the worst thing in the history of the universe. marv, you are the only one to come remotely close to commenting on my actual reasons for voting TK. Hapa has taken the same reason I call TK scum to call TK town. You essentially agree with Hapa. He is currently trying to round-about his way to explaining that to me, but i simply disagree with you two about the implications of changing your mind so suddenly. Tell me what 'town' TK would/should have done? Or why what he didn't couldn't come from town? Or both indeed :p
Town anyone should have followed through with the questions to rayn instead of citing "this is stupid" and jumping ship with their vote in tow. If he'd have allowed for even one more post from rayn before unvoting I probably wouldnt be here, but I interpret his actions as being scared to have his vote parked, lest someone (me...) think he was serious about wanting to lynch rayn. That's a wholly scum motivated thought process based on thread context at the time of his unvote imo.
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On August 30 2013 06:11 marvellosity wrote:
Hey all, weird shit going on. A few things before I forget
Hapa - what do you think of debears' comments on the 'scumcity' post from Onegu? Also (and genuine question I'd like answered) how are you feeling in general about this game so far?
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I don't think that post by debears (on Onegu) says much. I do like the fact that he was willing to substantiate some other of his reads while stuck in a mad-tunnel on Sciberia, but I think the content could come from scum or town debears.
As far as his game goes, he seems aggressive right now, which is good. Looking back on his Sciberia tunnel, there seems to be a "madness" about it that I associate with a town mindset. He's constantly peppering scib with questions, and while he's stubborn as a mule about it, he's constantly trying to figure out scib's allignment and even gets pissed when scib ignores him.
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On August 30 2013 06:24 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 06:16 marvellosity wrote:On August 30 2013 06:13 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 30 2013 06:11 marvellosity wrote:
Hey all, weird shit going on. A few things before I forget
Hapa - what do you think of debears' comments on the 'scumcity' post from Onegu? Also (and genuine question I'd like answered) how are you feeling in general about this game so far?
rayn, I said to remind me to comment on that post of yours after Tutan came back, so anyways. It was about him mentioning Oats at the start of the post and rescinding it at the end of the post. You seemed to be quite suspicious of that but to me it seems like a natural flow of consciousness. I don't see how that can be seen as anything worse than null, and is probably a towntell.
Hopeless, if you are indeed town then this tunnel is the worst thing in the history of the universe. marv, you are the only one to come remotely close to commenting on my actual reasons for voting TK. Hapa has taken the same reason I call TK scum to call TK town. You essentially agree with Hapa. He is currently trying to round-about his way to explaining that to me, but i simply disagree with you two about the implications of changing your mind so suddenly. Tell me what 'town' TK would/should have done? Or why what he didn't couldn't come from town? Or both indeed :p Town anyone should have followed through with the questions to rayn instead of citing "this is stupid" and jumping ship with their vote in tow. If he'd have allowed for even one more post from rayn before unvoting I probably wouldnt be here, but I interpret his actions as being scared to have his vote parked, lest someone (me...) think he was serious about wanting to lynch rayn. That's a wholly scum motivated thought process based on thread context at the time of his unvote imo.
? you think the vote was serious enough in the first place to warrant needing more posts to unvote? Why make the vote in the first place if he was then going to be scared to leave it parked? Do you think the type of player who'll jump on to a silly policy vote is scared to remove his vote? Has his play seemed scared to you?
I'm barraging you with questions because I want to know if you can understand the really obvious alternative.
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On August 30 2013 06:25 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 06:11 marvellosity wrote:
Hey all, weird shit going on. A few things before I forget
Hapa - what do you think of debears' comments on the 'scumcity' post from Onegu? Also (and genuine question I'd like answered) how are you feeling in general about this game so far?
... I don't think that post by debears (on Onegu) says much. I do like the fact that he was willing to substantiate some other of his reads while stuck in a mad-tunnel on Sciberia, but I think the content could come from scum or town debears. As far as his game goes, he seems aggressive right now, which is good. Looking back on his Sciberia tunnel, there seems to be a "madness" about it that I associate with a town mindset. He's constantly peppering scib with questions, and while he's stubborn as a mule about it, he's constantly trying to figure out scib's allignment and even gets pissed when scib ignores him.
Not his game, this game, I was after your general feelings about how the game as a whole has gone so far.
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On August 30 2013 06:24 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 06:16 marvellosity wrote:On August 30 2013 06:13 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 30 2013 06:11 marvellosity wrote:
Hey all, weird shit going on. A few things before I forget
Hapa - what do you think of debears' comments on the 'scumcity' post from Onegu? Also (and genuine question I'd like answered) how are you feeling in general about this game so far?
rayn, I said to remind me to comment on that post of yours after Tutan came back, so anyways. It was about him mentioning Oats at the start of the post and rescinding it at the end of the post. You seemed to be quite suspicious of that but to me it seems like a natural flow of consciousness. I don't see how that can be seen as anything worse than null, and is probably a towntell.
Hopeless, if you are indeed town then this tunnel is the worst thing in the history of the universe. marv, you are the only one to come remotely close to commenting on my actual reasons for voting TK. Hapa has taken the same reason I call TK scum to call TK town. You essentially agree with Hapa. He is currently trying to round-about his way to explaining that to me, but i simply disagree with you two about the implications of changing your mind so suddenly. Tell me what 'town' TK would/should have done? Or why what he didn't couldn't come from town? Or both indeed :p Town anyone should have followed through with the questions to rayn instead of citing "this is stupid" and jumping ship with their vote in tow. If he'd have allowed for even one more post from rayn before unvoting I probably wouldnt be here, but I interpret his actions as being scared to have his vote parked, lest someone (me...) think he was serious about wanting to lynch rayn. That's a wholly scum motivated thought process based on thread context at the time of his unvote imo.
Thing is, I really don't understand how that's a scum-motivated thought process. Where is the scum-motivation in literally giving up a free tunnel? It's just as easy for scum to sit there and keep tunneling Rayn, but instead it seems like he realized a mistake and backed off.
Though you seem incessantly stubborn on this point, so I'm not sure how much you can be convinced off of it.
Do you have any scum-reads other than TK?
Why are you not asking TK any questions? Are you 100% certain he's scum? Because you're acting like it.
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On August 30 2013 06:24 sciberbia wrote:
@hopeless1der
1) What was your genuine read on TK after his very first post of the game in which he voted rayn? Null, slightly scummy, scummy?
2) Why is the following not a plausible explanation for TK's actions:
First TK votes rayn for no reason cuz random bullshit phase. Then TK sees rayn doing some pretty confusing shit so asks him to explain. Then TK realizes that rayn is probably town for drawing attention and that his questions to rayn are going nowhere, so he retracts his vote and moves on with his life.
1) null
2) without knowing who TK is, I cannot know his preference for spam at the time of his questions. They seemed reasonable questions to ask (from either alignment, as noted by scib you earlier. The retraction would have been okay if he'd elaborated any more than this, but instead it feels like hes trying to sweep things under the rug and hoping people stop asking questions.
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On August 30 2013 06:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 06:25 Hapahauli wrote:On August 30 2013 06:11 marvellosity wrote:
Hey all, weird shit going on. A few things before I forget
Hapa - what do you think of debears' comments on the 'scumcity' post from Onegu? Also (and genuine question I'd like answered) how are you feeling in general about this game so far?
... I don't think that post by debears (on Onegu) says much. I do like the fact that he was willing to substantiate some other of his reads while stuck in a mad-tunnel on Sciberia, but I think the content could come from scum or town debears. As far as his game goes, he seems aggressive right now, which is good. Looking back on his Sciberia tunnel, there seems to be a "madness" about it that I associate with a town mindset. He's constantly peppering scib with questions, and while he's stubborn as a mule about it, he's constantly trying to figure out scib's allignment and even gets pissed when scib ignores him. Not his game, this game, I was after your general feelings about how the game as a whole has gone so far.
Not the best town-atmosphere in the world, but it's OK for now. Atleast discussion is happening, even if there's more bickering than I'd like. It's within the realm of a normal early D1, and this game will be won or lost in the work done in the next 72-96 hours or so.
I will say that I am *very* worried about how this town can function with some of its vocal, calmer members get killed early on.
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@ Marv
Can you comment on this Hopeless thing?
Also, comments on my Syl/Onegu/Yamato thoughts from above would be appreciated.
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On August 30 2013 06:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 06:24 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 30 2013 06:16 marvellosity wrote:On August 30 2013 06:13 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 30 2013 06:11 marvellosity wrote:
Hey all, weird shit going on. A few things before I forget
Hapa - what do you think of debears' comments on the 'scumcity' post from Onegu? Also (and genuine question I'd like answered) how are you feeling in general about this game so far?
rayn, I said to remind me to comment on that post of yours after Tutan came back, so anyways. It was about him mentioning Oats at the start of the post and rescinding it at the end of the post. You seemed to be quite suspicious of that but to me it seems like a natural flow of consciousness. I don't see how that can be seen as anything worse than null, and is probably a towntell.
Hopeless, if you are indeed town then this tunnel is the worst thing in the history of the universe. marv, you are the only one to come remotely close to commenting on my actual reasons for voting TK. Hapa has taken the same reason I call TK scum to call TK town. You essentially agree with Hapa. He is currently trying to round-about his way to explaining that to me, but i simply disagree with you two about the implications of changing your mind so suddenly. Tell me what 'town' TK would/should have done? Or why what he didn't couldn't come from town? Or both indeed :p Town anyone should have followed through with the questions to rayn instead of citing "this is stupid" and jumping ship with their vote in tow. If he'd have allowed for even one more post from rayn before unvoting I probably wouldnt be here, but I interpret his actions as being scared to have his vote parked, lest someone (me...) think he was serious about wanting to lynch rayn. That's a wholly scum motivated thought process based on thread context at the time of his unvote imo. ? you think the vote was serious enough in the first place to warrant needing more posts to unvote? Why make the vote in the first place if he was then going to be scared to leave it parked? Do you think the type of player who'll jump on to a silly policy vote is scared to remove his vote? Has his play seemed scared to you? I'm barraging you with questions because I want to know if you can understand the really obvious alternative.
I think I address this in my response to scib.
@Hapa
Rayn and Oats have already asked/brought up concerns I had, so I would have been parroting them if I asked more questions. I'm not 100% convinced, but he's my strongest read. I don't have legit scumreads formed on anyone else yet. Mostly lurkers bothering me and debears being silly. I figure I'm in a similar boat to your feelings on him. Maybe not so strong as you.
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On August 30 2013 06:33 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Marv
Can you comment on this Hopeless thing?
Also, comments on my Syl/Onegu/Yamato thoughts from above would be appreciated.
In short, I'm more suspicious of Onegu than you (I agreed with debears that i wasn't a fan of that onegu post), but as others have mentioned he has lynchbait written all over him
yamato we'll see, his big post on you/me was full of logic fail (hapa can read marv, hapa is reading marv differently than me, hapa is suspicious), but in a way it's egotistical enough to come from town. if he doesn't do much else he's gonna look worse super fast.
Gonna look into syl now, i owed rayn a read of him earlier.
still in process on hopeless as you should be able to tell???
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On August 30 2013 06:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
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@Hapa
Rayn and Oats have already asked/brought up concerns I had, so I would have been parroting them if I asked more questions. I'm not 100% convinced, but he's my strongest read. I don't have legit scumreads formed on anyone else yet. Mostly lurkers bothering me and debears being silly. I figure I'm in a similar boat to your feelings on him. Maybe not so strong as you.
Well now's the time to ask him some questions since you and TK are both in the thread. Give the guy something specific to respond to, and we can go from there.
This lack of communication on both sides isn't helping anyone.
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Hell can anyone comment on my Syl case above? I'm starting to agree with myself more and more :3
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On August 30 2013 06:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Hell can anyone comment on my Syl case above? I'm starting to agree with myself more and more :3
I'm stuck in his filter currently, I think I'm being dumb because I'm finding it tremendously difficult to work out how he's hopped around, even with his own explanations
I have written down that I think the post you quoted in your case looks worse as a standalone than in context - he was asked specifically to comment on those 3 players, and I can understand not being that decisive when talking about players you were asked to talk about
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