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Major Shift in KeSPA Structure: Open to All - Page 3

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UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
August 28 2013 08:42 GMT
#41
On August 28 2013 17:09 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 17:07 Gamegene wrote:
wow. GOMTV and eSF have some difficult choices to make.


Seeing as MVP and LG-IM both want to be in the LoL Proleague, it seems natural they'll join without hesitation.

Prime is making a LoL team as well, so that could also interest them.


Heh maybe Prime solely announced tryouts in anticipation of this
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
August 28 2013 08:43 GMT
#42
Yessss. Hopefully we're one step closer to a super team league.
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zenkicker
Profile Joined December 2008
257 Posts
August 28 2013 08:46 GMT
#43
Since STX is dead and there will be only a few teams in GSTL and SPL, I think its about time to unify KeSPA and eSF players.
I you cant beat them, join them.
Maxilicious
Profile Joined May 2011
221 Posts
August 28 2013 08:48 GMT
#44
An integrated team league may become a reality next season.
http://terrancraft.com/
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 08:52:28
August 28 2013 08:49 GMT
#45
On August 28 2013 17:36 digmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 17:32 Zealously wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:26 Arceus wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:18 Arceus wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:13 Talin wrote:
It's good for the next Proleague season I guess, but it's not good that a stable system is basically disintegrating piece by piece. It just undermines the level of seriousness and prestige that Proleague had if teams can just come and go season by season.

But I guess you have to make up the numbers somehow.

If theres one thing you can be sure of KeSPA, thats professionalism (although it can go absurd at times). Also I think they will still keep "core" members aka chaebols like Samsung
Im sick of those partnership team bullshit. Hope this move marks the end of that


Uh, I don't see how. Will be easier to join Proleague, doesn't mean that partnership teams like EGTL or AxiomAcer couldn't do it as well.

Not even gonna ask why you'd dislike them in the first place. Probably just hate fun

Easier to join KeSPA as a Korean organization imo
Those teams are basically last resort filler teams. They come and go and not fully commit. They cant stand on their own feet (not enough players, foreign commitment etc). Will you put the sustainability of your league in that kind of team if it's not for desperate situation?


Keep in mind though that Team 8 was also a last resort filler team consisting of players from different teams that, and the team was unable to stand on its own for 2 full seasons of Proleague.

I think you mean "was able"?


Financially no, Team 8 was not able to stand on its own until Jin Air stepped up to sponsor the team - the team wouldn't have existed without KeSPA's support.

On August 28 2013 17:41 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 17:32 Zealously wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:26 Arceus wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:18 Arceus wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:13 Talin wrote:
It's good for the next Proleague season I guess, but it's not good that a stable system is basically disintegrating piece by piece. It just undermines the level of seriousness and prestige that Proleague had if teams can just come and go season by season.

But I guess you have to make up the numbers somehow.

If theres one thing you can be sure of KeSPA, thats professionalism (although it can go absurd at times). Also I think they will still keep "core" members aka chaebols like Samsung
Im sick of those partnership team bullshit. Hope this move marks the end of that


Uh, I don't see how. Will be easier to join Proleague, doesn't mean that partnership teams like EGTL or AxiomAcer couldn't do it as well.

Not even gonna ask why you'd dislike them in the first place. Probably just hate fun

Easier to join KeSPA as a Korean organization imo
Those teams are basically last resort filler teams. They come and go and not fully commit. They cant stand on their own feet (not enough players, foreign commitment etc). Will you put the sustainability of your league in that kind of team if it's not for desperate situation?


Keep in mind though that Team 8 was also a last resort filler team consisting of players from different teams that, and the team was unable to stand on its own for 2 full seasons of Proleague.


Team 8 is a special case. When 3 (!) big teams dissolved, you oughta do something for 1.the fans 2.the players(many) 3.your league
Oh and they were operated by KeSPA so they didnt go anywhere. Dunno why you bring out this example lol


I'm just saying that just because your team is A) Not KeSPA and B) a partnership team, it doesn't mean you can't both stand on your own (without the governing organisation having to step in and help you out) and stick around. Axiom-Acer is a fairly good example of this - everything I've read seems to indicate that they intended on sticking around for more seasons of GSTL (which may not happen in light of KeSPA's structural changes), and EG-Liquid dropped out of Proleague because they were more interested in starting their own league (although lacking ROI also played a part). I mean sure there have been partnership fiascos but let's not say all team partnerships are like that.
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Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
August 28 2013 08:49 GMT
#46
Hmm does this mean anything for WCS?
TheSayo182
Profile Joined September 2012
Italy243 Posts
August 28 2013 08:55 GMT
#47
samsung - sk telecom - kt rolster - woongjin - cj entus - air jin
IM - startale - mvp - prime - FXO - Azubu?

12 teams league? gooood!

with maybe AX-acer and EGTL?

a 14 teams proleague will be sick! gogogo make it please!
"Remember: Probes & Pylons and when behind Dark Shrine!"
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16004 Posts
August 28 2013 08:57 GMT
#48
IMO. This is the best news the SC2 community could've hoped for.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
August 28 2013 08:59 GMT
#49
I just hope the MLG-KeSPA exclusivity crap doesn't put them in control of all koreans not on foreign teams.

Very leery of what KeSPA is pulling here, but I welcome unification rather than division.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5676 Posts
August 28 2013 09:00 GMT
#50
Hopefully Kespa can make this happen for the next season of Proleague without much delays .
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8332 Posts
August 28 2013 09:00 GMT
#51
On August 28 2013 17:49 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 17:36 digmouse wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:32 Zealously wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:26 Arceus wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:18 Arceus wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:13 Talin wrote:
It's good for the next Proleague season I guess, but it's not good that a stable system is basically disintegrating piece by piece. It just undermines the level of seriousness and prestige that Proleague had if teams can just come and go season by season.

But I guess you have to make up the numbers somehow.

If theres one thing you can be sure of KeSPA, thats professionalism (although it can go absurd at times). Also I think they will still keep "core" members aka chaebols like Samsung
Im sick of those partnership team bullshit. Hope this move marks the end of that


Uh, I don't see how. Will be easier to join Proleague, doesn't mean that partnership teams like EGTL or AxiomAcer couldn't do it as well.

Not even gonna ask why you'd dislike them in the first place. Probably just hate fun

Easier to join KeSPA as a Korean organization imo
Those teams are basically last resort filler teams. They come and go and not fully commit. They cant stand on their own feet (not enough players, foreign commitment etc). Will you put the sustainability of your league in that kind of team if it's not for desperate situation?


Keep in mind though that Team 8 was also a last resort filler team consisting of players from different teams that, and the team was unable to stand on its own for 2 full seasons of Proleague.

I think you mean "was able"?


Financially no, Team 8 was not able to stand on its own until Jin Air stepped up to sponsor the team - the team wouldn't have existed without KeSPA's support.

Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 17:41 Arceus wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:32 Zealously wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:26 Arceus wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:18 Arceus wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:13 Talin wrote:
It's good for the next Proleague season I guess, but it's not good that a stable system is basically disintegrating piece by piece. It just undermines the level of seriousness and prestige that Proleague had if teams can just come and go season by season.

But I guess you have to make up the numbers somehow.

If theres one thing you can be sure of KeSPA, thats professionalism (although it can go absurd at times). Also I think they will still keep "core" members aka chaebols like Samsung
Im sick of those partnership team bullshit. Hope this move marks the end of that


Uh, I don't see how. Will be easier to join Proleague, doesn't mean that partnership teams like EGTL or AxiomAcer couldn't do it as well.

Not even gonna ask why you'd dislike them in the first place. Probably just hate fun

Easier to join KeSPA as a Korean organization imo
Those teams are basically last resort filler teams. They come and go and not fully commit. They cant stand on their own feet (not enough players, foreign commitment etc). Will you put the sustainability of your league in that kind of team if it's not for desperate situation?


Keep in mind though that Team 8 was also a last resort filler team consisting of players from different teams that, and the team was unable to stand on its own for 2 full seasons of Proleague.


Team 8 is a special case. When 3 (!) big teams dissolved, you oughta do something for 1.the fans 2.the players(many) 3.your league
Oh and they were operated by KeSPA so they didnt go anywhere. Dunno why you bring out this example lol


I'm just saying that just because your team is A) Not KeSPA and B) a partnership team, it doesn't mean you can't both stand on your own (without the governing organisation having to step in and help you out) and stick around. Axiom-Acer is a fairly good example of this - everything I've read seems to indicate that they intended on sticking around for more seasons of GSTL (which may not happen in light of KeSPA's structural changes), and EG-Liquid dropped out of Proleague because they were more interested in starting their own league (although lacking ROI also played a part). I mean sure there have been partnership fiascos but let's not say all team partnerships are like that.


The thing is you cant control their interest since they are not domestic and they are not even one team (but two). Maybe you should answer this again: is you are organizer, will you put the sustainability of your product in those teams?
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
August 28 2013 09:03 GMT
#52
This is my prediction of the FUTURE:

OGN stops producing for SC2 except for a once/twice a year OSL, and instead hands all production over to GOMTV. That includes Proleague. OGN will just rebroadcast the games on TV and they split the profit. OGN then focuses on producing for LoL only

GOMTV becomes a board member of Kespa. ESF as we know it dissolves, everyone is now under Kespa, but with GOMTV as their main content producer for SC2, there should be no worries about former ESF teams being bullied out of the system.

Next Proleague has 12 teams. KT, SKT, WJ, Khan, Jin Air, CJ, IM, ST, MVP, AxA, FXO and Prime/EGTL.

Next next Proleague reduced to 10 teams. KT, SKT, Khan, Jin Air, CJ, IM, ST, MVP, FXO and AxA/Prime/EGTL/Clauf.

Chaebol sponsors a former ESF team. Possibly two chaebols and two teams.

GSL formally becomes the one and only WCS KR, and OSL is now only a 'special tournament'. We get another GOM-run special tournament like the Super Tournament for WCS offseason.
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Krogan
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden375 Posts
August 28 2013 09:03 GMT
#53
So are there no changes to Kespas rules about not allowing their teams to participate in any other team league but theirs?
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
August 28 2013 09:05 GMT
#54
I think it's really hard to call this good or bad either way at this point, It represents a step towards what KeSPA should have been in the first place, but it's might be hugely destabilizing to the existing KeSPA teams and competition and with less cooperation between KeSPA and Broadcasters it might have a run on effect with less competitions in Korea and subsequently less sponsors for the teams.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
August 28 2013 09:08 GMT
#55
i'd love to see a huge team league
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Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
August 28 2013 09:08 GMT
#56
On August 28 2013 17:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
But what do Kespa fanboys do now that everybody is Kespa

do they just cheer for everybody?



And ESF fans? Will they cheer for... nobody?
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 09:10:29
August 28 2013 09:10 GMT
#57
lol wrong thread. >.>
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
theking1
Profile Joined June 2013
Romania658 Posts
August 28 2013 09:10 GMT
#58
this is actually good news.More teams in ogn means better viewership for sc2 teams.And the sooner esf and kespa teams merge the better.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 28 2013 09:11 GMT
#59
A much needed step. Looking forward what the next few months will bring!
RiZu
Profile Joined February 2012
Singapore5715 Posts
August 28 2013 09:11 GMT
#60
This is just awesome!
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