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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
August 28 2013 09:13 GMT
#61
On August 28 2013 18:08 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 17:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
But what do Kespa fanboys do now that everybody is Kespa

do they just cheer for everybody?



And ESF fans? Will they cheer for... nobody?

There are no ESF fans, only anti kespa peeps.
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
August 28 2013 09:14 GMT
#62
i think Kespa and other sc2 broadcasters in South Korea are running out of steam and interest in sc2. It's easier to outsource the streaming to other companies and to get new teams by opening the league rather than founding Team9. To me it reveals the decline of south korean sc2.
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Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
August 28 2013 09:16 GMT
#63
On August 28 2013 18:14 Cele wrote:
i think Kespa and other sc2 broadcasters in South Korea are running out of steam and interest in sc2. It's easier to outsource the streaming to other companies and to get new teams by opening the league rather than founding Team9. To me it reveals the decline of south korean sc2.


Decline implies there ever was a peak.
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
August 28 2013 09:17 GMT
#64
On August 28 2013 18:14 Cele wrote:
To me it reveals the decline of south korean sc2.


more like the outstanding growth of Korean LoL
these reforms are needed if they want the LoL Proleague to work out
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Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
August 28 2013 09:18 GMT
#65
On August 28 2013 18:14 Cele wrote:
i think Kespa and other sc2 broadcasters in South Korea are running out of steam and interest in sc2. It's easier to outsource the streaming to other companies and to get new teams by opening the league rather than founding Team9. To me it reveals the decline of south korean sc2.


That's for sure, the only place sc2 is hot is Europe. I feel LoL is rescuing sc2 in Korea right now.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9174 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 09:20:16
August 28 2013 09:18 GMT
#66
On August 28 2013 18:08 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 17:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
But what do Kespa fanboys do now that everybody is Kespa

do they just cheer for everybody?



And ESF fans? Will they cheer for... nobody?

They were only ever useful labels for those who preferred GSL`s 1st generation players/teams (ESF) or those who followed the BW stars (Kespa). I don`t think many rooted for the governing organisations themselves. It`s all pretty mixed now anyway so this move should be good to bring the korean scene under 1 roof.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 28 2013 09:18 GMT
#67
On August 28 2013 18:16 Eury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 18:14 Cele wrote:
i think Kespa and other sc2 broadcasters in South Korea are running out of steam and interest in sc2. It's easier to outsource the streaming to other companies and to get new teams by opening the league rather than founding Team9. To me it reveals the decline of south korean sc2.


Decline implies there ever was a peak.

of course there's a peak lolwat
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Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
August 28 2013 09:19 GMT
#68
On August 28 2013 18:18 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 18:16 Eury wrote:
On August 28 2013 18:14 Cele wrote:
i think Kespa and other sc2 broadcasters in South Korea are running out of steam and interest in sc2. It's easier to outsource the streaming to other companies and to get new teams by opening the league rather than founding Team9. To me it reveals the decline of south korean sc2.


Decline implies there ever was a peak.

of course there's a peak lolwat


Felt more like it was a downward slope into the abyss.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
August 28 2013 09:20 GMT
#69
On August 28 2013 18:14 Cele wrote:
i think Kespa and other sc2 broadcasters in South Korea are running out of steam and interest in sc2. It's easier to outsource the streaming to other companies and to get new teams by opening the league rather than founding Team9. To me it reveals the decline of south korean sc2.

You realize this is about waaay more then just sc2 right?
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
August 28 2013 09:22 GMT
#70
Good for kespa
Bad for esf
Good for korean esport

Shortened: kespa will rule them all.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 28 2013 09:25 GMT
#71
On August 28 2013 18:19 Eury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 18:18 opterown wrote:
On August 28 2013 18:16 Eury wrote:
On August 28 2013 18:14 Cele wrote:
i think Kespa and other sc2 broadcasters in South Korea are running out of steam and interest in sc2. It's easier to outsource the streaming to other companies and to get new teams by opening the league rather than founding Team9. To me it reveals the decline of south korean sc2.


Decline implies there ever was a peak.

of course there's a peak lolwat


Felt more like it was a downward slope into the abyss.


>_>

Can't believe this forum still exists considering how dead a game we are
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
August 28 2013 09:26 GMT
#72
On August 28 2013 18:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 18:19 Eury wrote:
On August 28 2013 18:18 opterown wrote:
On August 28 2013 18:16 Eury wrote:
On August 28 2013 18:14 Cele wrote:
i think Kespa and other sc2 broadcasters in South Korea are running out of steam and interest in sc2. It's easier to outsource the streaming to other companies and to get new teams by opening the league rather than founding Team9. To me it reveals the decline of south korean sc2.


Decline implies there ever was a peak.

of course there's a peak lolwat


Felt more like it was a downward slope into the abyss.


>_>

Can't believe this forum still exists considering how dead a game we are

There's a difference between being dead and lacking popularity.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
August 28 2013 09:31 GMT
#73
Well... I hope Blizzard can intervene as the moderator. Now, good thing about KeSPA is that it does try to keep the Korean SC2 eSports scene working, however, KeSPA is notorious for monopolizing the eSports market.
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9174 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 09:35:15
August 28 2013 09:32 GMT
#74
On August 28 2013 18:14 Cele wrote:
i think Kespa and other sc2 broadcasters in South Korea are running out of steam and interest in sc2. It's easier to outsource the streaming to other companies and to get new teams by opening the league rather than founding Team9. To me it reveals the decline of south korean sc2.

Kespa`s not a broadcaster and have always outsourced/used partners, like OGN, MBC, SPOtv and GOM. New teams with actual sponsors are also better than running another version of T8 out of existing sponsor`s pockets. Making up crap just to fit with your doomsday perspective doesn`t make it true.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
August 28 2013 09:32 GMT
#75
GSTLPL super league do want
macncheezeplz
Profile Joined June 2011
United States93 Posts
August 28 2013 09:34 GMT
#76
Purely from a spectator perspective, I have no problem Kespa taking over all ESF teams, YET if that happens what would happen to GOM's production? I feel GOM brings the most solid and consistent stream in SC2, I wouldn't want to see that disappear.
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
August 28 2013 09:36 GMT
#77
So basically everyone will be unified under Kespa?

Everyone is kespa now, except a few foreign teams in korea.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
August 28 2013 09:39 GMT
#78
I don't understand why some people are overly negative regarding this news.

Basically KeSPA when it was originally founded had the goal of unifying and supporting the eSports scene in all of South Korea, and providing fair opportunities to pro gamers as well as protecting their interests.

When KeSPA became stubborn and refused to recognize SC2 and other titles as eSports then they failed in their original goals, they stopped serving the people and where serving their own interests. The joining fee also didn't help one damn bit. This new move meant to return KeSPA to its original goal of serving the people, protecting and supporting the players, the teams and the sponsoring companies. KeSPA doesn't lose much of its regulating power, its just that now all eSports teams in South Korea can join it and have a say in the decisions being made.

This does however mean that the eSF in its current iteration no longer makes sense to exist, when all the GSTL teams and GOM join KeSPA then they will become part of it and will be involved in the decisions, so the need for eSF becomes null, but the interests of GOM and the current eSF are still being protected, which is a good thing.

This overall is just great news, its a shinning step forward for Korea and, again is one of the reasons why they are still vastly ahead of the westerners in terms of acceptance and support for eSports.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
PerSe
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom550 Posts
August 28 2013 09:43 GMT
#79
On August 28 2013 18:34 macncheezeplz wrote:
Purely from a spectator perspective, I have no problem Kespa taking over all ESF teams, YET if that happens what would happen to GOM's production? I feel GOM brings the most solid and consistent stream in SC2, I wouldn't want to see that disappear.


GOM's production definitely wouldn't disappear under the structural changes. What you have to understand is that guys like OGN, GOMTV etc. are primarily broadcasting organisations, unlike Kespa which is basically a e-sports governing body. Kespa will be working in tandem with broadcasters.
SystemXN
Profile Joined December 2011
China105 Posts
August 28 2013 09:46 GMT
#80
This shift mainly focus on LoL imo. KeSPA urge to make all Korean LoL teams under their control. SC2 is not their main interest.
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