• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:56
CEST 20:56
KST 03:56
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out2RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-69SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-64
StarCraft 2
General
SC4ALL II: StarCraft 2 Player Announcement 5/8 Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out SC4ALL: II Talent Announcement! Protoss AoE skill expression August World Ranking: Clem climbs to #2
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 538 Media Blackout The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Are you ready for ASL 22? NEW HYPE VIDEO How FlaSh Nearly Forfeited MSL Finals being late
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3 Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread EVE Corporation Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Diablo 2 thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
Iain M Banks Says He Has Cancer And Months To Live US Politics Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Are High-Level Gamers more A…
TrAiDoS
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9553 users

Major Shift in KeSPA Structure: Open to All - Page 2

Forum Index > SC2 General
246 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 11 12 13 Next All
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 28 2013 08:19 GMT
#21
On August 28 2013 17:18 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 17:13 Talin wrote:
It's good for the next Proleague season I guess, but it's not good that a stable system is basically disintegrating piece by piece. It just undermines the level of seriousness and prestige that Proleague had if teams can just come and go season by season.

But I guess you have to make up the numbers somehow.

If theres one thing you can be sure of KeSPA, thats professionalism (although it can go absurd at times). Also I think they will still keep "core" members aka chaebols like Samsung
Im sick of those partnership team bullshit. Hope this move marks the end of that


Uh, I don't see how. Will be easier to join Proleague, doesn't mean that partnership teams like EGTL or AxiomAcer couldn't do it as well.

Not even gonna ask why you'd dislike them in the first place. Probably just hate fun
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 28 2013 08:21 GMT
#22
ah this will make things interesting, would be good to see a bigger proleague
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
August 28 2013 08:23 GMT
#23
This chairman did a lot of things in less than one year, much better than any American politicians.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 28 2013 08:23 GMT
#24
Hopefully no one goes apeshit trying to sabotage for the other part. If everything works out, this might (will) mean that we'll get something like 10 teams in Proleague again, and that's really something to strive for, at least in my limited perspective.
AdministratorBreak the chains
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
August 28 2013 08:24 GMT
#25
Incoming unified PL with GoM broadcasting
(Hopefully)
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France902 Posts
August 28 2013 08:24 GMT
#26
I wish my govermnent would pass an "eSports Promotion Bill" too hhehehe, South Korea is really a unique country in this regard.

So, does it mean more unified league for SC2 ? Don't know if this is a good thing or not. A unified system would bring more power and ressources, but I feel competition is always better for the viewer/consumer.
Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
August 28 2013 08:26 GMT
#27
On August 28 2013 17:18 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 17:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
But what do Kespa fanboys do now that everybody is Kespa

do they just cheer for everybody?

They reveal their true selves as bw elitists.


That's a given, we BW elitists never hide.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
August 28 2013 08:26 GMT
#28
On August 28 2013 17:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 17:18 Arceus wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:13 Talin wrote:
It's good for the next Proleague season I guess, but it's not good that a stable system is basically disintegrating piece by piece. It just undermines the level of seriousness and prestige that Proleague had if teams can just come and go season by season.

But I guess you have to make up the numbers somehow.

If theres one thing you can be sure of KeSPA, thats professionalism (although it can go absurd at times). Also I think they will still keep "core" members aka chaebols like Samsung
Im sick of those partnership team bullshit. Hope this move marks the end of that


Uh, I don't see how. Will be easier to join Proleague, doesn't mean that partnership teams like EGTL or AxiomAcer couldn't do it as well.

Not even gonna ask why you'd dislike them in the first place. Probably just hate fun

Easier to join KeSPA as a Korean organization imo
Those teams are basically last resort filler teams. They come and go and not fully commit. They cant stand on their own feet (not enough players, foreign commitment etc). Will you put the sustainability of your league in that kind of team if it's not for desperate situation?
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 08:34:06
August 28 2013 08:32 GMT
#29
On August 28 2013 17:26 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 17:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:18 Arceus wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:13 Talin wrote:
It's good for the next Proleague season I guess, but it's not good that a stable system is basically disintegrating piece by piece. It just undermines the level of seriousness and prestige that Proleague had if teams can just come and go season by season.

But I guess you have to make up the numbers somehow.

If theres one thing you can be sure of KeSPA, thats professionalism (although it can go absurd at times). Also I think they will still keep "core" members aka chaebols like Samsung
Im sick of those partnership team bullshit. Hope this move marks the end of that


Uh, I don't see how. Will be easier to join Proleague, doesn't mean that partnership teams like EGTL or AxiomAcer couldn't do it as well.

Not even gonna ask why you'd dislike them in the first place. Probably just hate fun

Easier to join KeSPA as a Korean organization imo
Those teams are basically last resort filler teams. They come and go and not fully commit. They cant stand on their own feet (not enough players, foreign commitment etc). Will you put the sustainability of your league in that kind of team if it's not for desperate situation?


Keep in mind though that Team 8 was also a last resort filler team consisting of players from different teams that, and the team was unable to stand on its own for 2 full seasons of Proleague.
AdministratorBreak the chains
Clarityxo
Profile Joined April 2011
Scotland174 Posts
August 28 2013 08:34 GMT
#30
Very interesting, I look forward to see how it develops.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6331 Posts
August 28 2013 08:36 GMT
#31
On August 28 2013 17:32 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 17:26 Arceus wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:18 Arceus wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:13 Talin wrote:
It's good for the next Proleague season I guess, but it's not good that a stable system is basically disintegrating piece by piece. It just undermines the level of seriousness and prestige that Proleague had if teams can just come and go season by season.

But I guess you have to make up the numbers somehow.

If theres one thing you can be sure of KeSPA, thats professionalism (although it can go absurd at times). Also I think they will still keep "core" members aka chaebols like Samsung
Im sick of those partnership team bullshit. Hope this move marks the end of that


Uh, I don't see how. Will be easier to join Proleague, doesn't mean that partnership teams like EGTL or AxiomAcer couldn't do it as well.

Not even gonna ask why you'd dislike them in the first place. Probably just hate fun

Easier to join KeSPA as a Korean organization imo
Those teams are basically last resort filler teams. They come and go and not fully commit. They cant stand on their own feet (not enough players, foreign commitment etc). Will you put the sustainability of your league in that kind of team if it's not for desperate situation?


Keep in mind though that Team 8 was also a last resort filler team consisting of players from different teams that, and the team was unable to stand on its own for 2 full seasons of Proleague.

I think you mean "was able"?
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
August 28 2013 08:36 GMT
#32
Did they really have a choice ? Unless they wanted to run a 6-team Proleague, of course.

Thanks for the translation
ॐ
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3703 Posts
August 28 2013 08:39 GMT
#33
On August 28 2013 17:05 pmp10 wrote:
So is this good or bad?


Primarily good if you want starcraft to do well in korea.

Really happy to see this announcement, PL should be sick next season and I expect less drama to come from kespa in the future.
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 08:41:15
August 28 2013 08:39 GMT
#34
This has the potential to be great and awesome, but I remain viciously pessimistic.

If all of the teams become KeSPA, and then it lasts even 2 years without some sort incredible drama surfacing, I will be amazed. Either in SC2, LoL, or both.
Sjokola
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands800 Posts
August 28 2013 08:39 GMT
#35
Could go either way. Hopefully some unification, but could be a big blow to Gom and Esf.
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
August 28 2013 08:40 GMT
#36
This is VERY interesting because the shift is done because of the decline that KeSPA have.
With a power restructure like this they can maintain the main governing body AND expand much larger.

Imo this is a very good change especially for the eSport in Korea.
(SC2 can actually jump on the huge LoL hype even more)
The curse is real
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
August 28 2013 08:40 GMT
#37
this sounds really good to me but i am pretty much a noob and dont know shit.
looking forward to see how this is going.
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
August 28 2013 08:40 GMT
#38
Does this mean, I am part of KeSPA too?
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
August 28 2013 08:41 GMT
#39
On August 28 2013 17:32 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 17:26 Arceus wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:18 Arceus wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:13 Talin wrote:
It's good for the next Proleague season I guess, but it's not good that a stable system is basically disintegrating piece by piece. It just undermines the level of seriousness and prestige that Proleague had if teams can just come and go season by season.

But I guess you have to make up the numbers somehow.

If theres one thing you can be sure of KeSPA, thats professionalism (although it can go absurd at times). Also I think they will still keep "core" members aka chaebols like Samsung
Im sick of those partnership team bullshit. Hope this move marks the end of that


Uh, I don't see how. Will be easier to join Proleague, doesn't mean that partnership teams like EGTL or AxiomAcer couldn't do it as well.

Not even gonna ask why you'd dislike them in the first place. Probably just hate fun

Easier to join KeSPA as a Korean organization imo
Those teams are basically last resort filler teams. They come and go and not fully commit. They cant stand on their own feet (not enough players, foreign commitment etc). Will you put the sustainability of your league in that kind of team if it's not for desperate situation?


Keep in mind though that Team 8 was also a last resort filler team consisting of players from different teams that, and the team was unable to stand on its own for 2 full seasons of Proleague.


Team 8 is a special case. When 3 (!) big teams dissolved, you oughta do something for 1.the fans 2.the players(many) 3.your league
Oh and they were operated by KeSPA so they didnt go anywhere. Dunno why you bring out this example lol
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
August 28 2013 08:42 GMT
#40
Any info on this "esports promotion bill" ?
starleague forever
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 11 12 13 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 4m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
UpATreeSC 164
BRAT_OK 105
ProTech87
MindelVK 26
JuggernautJason4
StarCraft: Brood War
Sexy 19
Dota 2
qojqva2491
XcaliburYe65
Counter-Strike
fl0m1832
pashabiceps974
shoxiejesuss3
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0150
Mew2King92
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu291
Other Games
FrodaN1659
Grubby1617
Beastyqt946
ceh9871
byalli208
TKL 202
uThermal109
White-Ra96
QueenE64
Trikslyr54
mouzStarbuck0
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV115
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 20
• Reevou 6
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV670
League of Legends
• Shiphtur1073
Counter-Strike
• Nemesis1457
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
5h 4m
Replay Cast
14h 4m
Kung Fu Cup
16h 4m
Replay Cast
1d 5h
The PondCast
1d 15h
OSC
1d 18h
Replay Cast
2 days
Escore
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
[ Show More ]
OSC
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Rush vs Hm
Bisu vs Shuttle
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
The Patches Monday
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Sharp vs Shinee
Action vs Shine
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-10
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
RSL Revival: Season 6
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W7
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
META DYMY #4
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.