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Major Shift in KeSPA Structure: Open to All - Page 2

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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 28 2013 08:19 GMT
#21
On August 28 2013 17:18 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 17:13 Talin wrote:
It's good for the next Proleague season I guess, but it's not good that a stable system is basically disintegrating piece by piece. It just undermines the level of seriousness and prestige that Proleague had if teams can just come and go season by season.

But I guess you have to make up the numbers somehow.

If theres one thing you can be sure of KeSPA, thats professionalism (although it can go absurd at times). Also I think they will still keep "core" members aka chaebols like Samsung
Im sick of those partnership team bullshit. Hope this move marks the end of that


Uh, I don't see how. Will be easier to join Proleague, doesn't mean that partnership teams like EGTL or AxiomAcer couldn't do it as well.

Not even gonna ask why you'd dislike them in the first place. Probably just hate fun
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 28 2013 08:21 GMT
#22
ah this will make things interesting, would be good to see a bigger proleague
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Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
August 28 2013 08:23 GMT
#23
This chairman did a lot of things in less than one year, much better than any American politicians.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 28 2013 08:23 GMT
#24
Hopefully no one goes apeshit trying to sabotage for the other part. If everything works out, this might (will) mean that we'll get something like 10 teams in Proleague again, and that's really something to strive for, at least in my limited perspective.
AdministratorBreak the chains
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
August 28 2013 08:24 GMT
#25
Incoming unified PL with GoM broadcasting
(Hopefully)
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France902 Posts
August 28 2013 08:24 GMT
#26
I wish my govermnent would pass an "eSports Promotion Bill" too hhehehe, South Korea is really a unique country in this regard.

So, does it mean more unified league for SC2 ? Don't know if this is a good thing or not. A unified system would bring more power and ressources, but I feel competition is always better for the viewer/consumer.
Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
August 28 2013 08:26 GMT
#27
On August 28 2013 17:18 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 17:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
But what do Kespa fanboys do now that everybody is Kespa

do they just cheer for everybody?

They reveal their true selves as bw elitists.


That's a given, we BW elitists never hide.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
August 28 2013 08:26 GMT
#28
On August 28 2013 17:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 17:18 Arceus wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:13 Talin wrote:
It's good for the next Proleague season I guess, but it's not good that a stable system is basically disintegrating piece by piece. It just undermines the level of seriousness and prestige that Proleague had if teams can just come and go season by season.

But I guess you have to make up the numbers somehow.

If theres one thing you can be sure of KeSPA, thats professionalism (although it can go absurd at times). Also I think they will still keep "core" members aka chaebols like Samsung
Im sick of those partnership team bullshit. Hope this move marks the end of that


Uh, I don't see how. Will be easier to join Proleague, doesn't mean that partnership teams like EGTL or AxiomAcer couldn't do it as well.

Not even gonna ask why you'd dislike them in the first place. Probably just hate fun

Easier to join KeSPA as a Korean organization imo
Those teams are basically last resort filler teams. They come and go and not fully commit. They cant stand on their own feet (not enough players, foreign commitment etc). Will you put the sustainability of your league in that kind of team if it's not for desperate situation?
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 08:34:06
August 28 2013 08:32 GMT
#29
On August 28 2013 17:26 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 17:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:18 Arceus wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:13 Talin wrote:
It's good for the next Proleague season I guess, but it's not good that a stable system is basically disintegrating piece by piece. It just undermines the level of seriousness and prestige that Proleague had if teams can just come and go season by season.

But I guess you have to make up the numbers somehow.

If theres one thing you can be sure of KeSPA, thats professionalism (although it can go absurd at times). Also I think they will still keep "core" members aka chaebols like Samsung
Im sick of those partnership team bullshit. Hope this move marks the end of that


Uh, I don't see how. Will be easier to join Proleague, doesn't mean that partnership teams like EGTL or AxiomAcer couldn't do it as well.

Not even gonna ask why you'd dislike them in the first place. Probably just hate fun

Easier to join KeSPA as a Korean organization imo
Those teams are basically last resort filler teams. They come and go and not fully commit. They cant stand on their own feet (not enough players, foreign commitment etc). Will you put the sustainability of your league in that kind of team if it's not for desperate situation?


Keep in mind though that Team 8 was also a last resort filler team consisting of players from different teams that, and the team was unable to stand on its own for 2 full seasons of Proleague.
AdministratorBreak the chains
Clarityxo
Profile Joined April 2011
Scotland174 Posts
August 28 2013 08:34 GMT
#30
Very interesting, I look forward to see how it develops.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6331 Posts
August 28 2013 08:36 GMT
#31
On August 28 2013 17:32 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 17:26 Arceus wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:18 Arceus wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:13 Talin wrote:
It's good for the next Proleague season I guess, but it's not good that a stable system is basically disintegrating piece by piece. It just undermines the level of seriousness and prestige that Proleague had if teams can just come and go season by season.

But I guess you have to make up the numbers somehow.

If theres one thing you can be sure of KeSPA, thats professionalism (although it can go absurd at times). Also I think they will still keep "core" members aka chaebols like Samsung
Im sick of those partnership team bullshit. Hope this move marks the end of that


Uh, I don't see how. Will be easier to join Proleague, doesn't mean that partnership teams like EGTL or AxiomAcer couldn't do it as well.

Not even gonna ask why you'd dislike them in the first place. Probably just hate fun

Easier to join KeSPA as a Korean organization imo
Those teams are basically last resort filler teams. They come and go and not fully commit. They cant stand on their own feet (not enough players, foreign commitment etc). Will you put the sustainability of your league in that kind of team if it's not for desperate situation?


Keep in mind though that Team 8 was also a last resort filler team consisting of players from different teams that, and the team was unable to stand on its own for 2 full seasons of Proleague.

I think you mean "was able"?
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
August 28 2013 08:36 GMT
#32
Did they really have a choice ? Unless they wanted to run a 6-team Proleague, of course.

Thanks for the translation
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Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3692 Posts
August 28 2013 08:39 GMT
#33
On August 28 2013 17:05 pmp10 wrote:
So is this good or bad?


Primarily good if you want starcraft to do well in korea.

Really happy to see this announcement, PL should be sick next season and I expect less drama to come from kespa in the future.
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 08:41:15
August 28 2013 08:39 GMT
#34
This has the potential to be great and awesome, but I remain viciously pessimistic.

If all of the teams become KeSPA, and then it lasts even 2 years without some sort incredible drama surfacing, I will be amazed. Either in SC2, LoL, or both.
Sjokola
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands800 Posts
August 28 2013 08:39 GMT
#35
Could go either way. Hopefully some unification, but could be a big blow to Gom and Esf.
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
August 28 2013 08:40 GMT
#36
This is VERY interesting because the shift is done because of the decline that KeSPA have.
With a power restructure like this they can maintain the main governing body AND expand much larger.

Imo this is a very good change especially for the eSport in Korea.
(SC2 can actually jump on the huge LoL hype even more)
The curse is real
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
August 28 2013 08:40 GMT
#37
this sounds really good to me but i am pretty much a noob and dont know shit.
looking forward to see how this is going.
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
August 28 2013 08:40 GMT
#38
Does this mean, I am part of KeSPA too?
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
August 28 2013 08:41 GMT
#39
On August 28 2013 17:32 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 17:26 Arceus wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:19 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:18 Arceus wrote:
On August 28 2013 17:13 Talin wrote:
It's good for the next Proleague season I guess, but it's not good that a stable system is basically disintegrating piece by piece. It just undermines the level of seriousness and prestige that Proleague had if teams can just come and go season by season.

But I guess you have to make up the numbers somehow.

If theres one thing you can be sure of KeSPA, thats professionalism (although it can go absurd at times). Also I think they will still keep "core" members aka chaebols like Samsung
Im sick of those partnership team bullshit. Hope this move marks the end of that


Uh, I don't see how. Will be easier to join Proleague, doesn't mean that partnership teams like EGTL or AxiomAcer couldn't do it as well.

Not even gonna ask why you'd dislike them in the first place. Probably just hate fun

Easier to join KeSPA as a Korean organization imo
Those teams are basically last resort filler teams. They come and go and not fully commit. They cant stand on their own feet (not enough players, foreign commitment etc). Will you put the sustainability of your league in that kind of team if it's not for desperate situation?


Keep in mind though that Team 8 was also a last resort filler team consisting of players from different teams that, and the team was unable to stand on its own for 2 full seasons of Proleague.


Team 8 is a special case. When 3 (!) big teams dissolved, you oughta do something for 1.the fans 2.the players(many) 3.your league
Oh and they were operated by KeSPA so they didnt go anywhere. Dunno why you bring out this example lol
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
August 28 2013 08:42 GMT
#40
Any info on this "esports promotion bill" ?
starleague forever
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