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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19300 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:27 vesicular wrote: Unfortunately Jangbi's retirement means Bisu has no shot at SSL. Jangbi doesn't really come as a threat to Bisu. SSL is not OSL so Bisu has high chances to go far when he returns. | ||
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lord_nibbler
Germany591 Posts
KeSPA then authorize tournaments/leagues to various organizations, who could very well add an entry fee, a security deposit or any number of financial preconditions. Organizations don't change their attitude over night. KeSPA has first and foremost been in place to protect the investments of the major team sponsors. They might open their structure a bit now (because they were 'forced' to), but they sure as hell did not abandon their entire purpose. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:55 Shinta) wrote: This sucks. Now KeSPA is going to be a commoners association instead of a professional organization. Imagine if the NBA was now supposed to start taking in any team. What utter bullshit. Ofc NBA and KeSPA have there differences, but the point is that is an effort that KeSPA shouldn't have to out in. Some ideas regarding this are cool. Now GOMTV can join KeSPA and run its own league and have its own rights instead of worrying about being screwed. But at the same time, this isn't even necessarily a problem solver. Is the GSL and OSL going to keep swapping turns running WCS? In the end GOM is likely to be reduced to a side tournament organizer and mainly just a broadcasting company. KeSPA should have just stayed a professional entity. Some of eSF would have joined KeSPA soon anyways (most likely). Call me old fashioned, but I loved the ideas of having pro gamer licenses etc. making a district differentiation between semi pro gamers and PRO gamers. Being able to focus on the main stories and being able to build them up and really celebrate them instead of having to spread the love to everyone in order to give unearned "equal opportunity" and take away from the most important aspects of professional gaming. Now more progaming teams will be supported by the players organization called KeSPA, but they'll be much less significant so it won't make much of a real difference. Instead of this, a global eSPA should have been formed and KeSPA should have been on it as a member. W/e, I'm an old KeSPA fanboy. Still hope for the best for eSports, but a bit of my fire died today with this tragic event. Um what Just because they allow anyone to join doesn't mean they allow anyone with five buddies into proleague. Just because a British football team is a member of the British football association doesn't mean they play in the premier league (or whatever). Like, I could care less about this but your reaction makes no sense. Also - ppl are saying "egtl plox" but if memory serves me right, the problem wasn't the entry few but having to move all the eg players to Korea and having to dedicate so much time and effort to one league with one or two games per player per week, I doubt that changing the entry fee would change eg's economic calculation. For that team, I'm sure player time (and sponsor exposure) are much more important to use efficiently than a cash entry fee. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:27 vesicular wrote: Unfortunately Jangbi's retirement means Bisu has no shot at SSL. shots fired? | ||
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PerSe
United Kingdom550 Posts
On August 29 2013 03:27 a3den wrote: So KeSPA new dictator had his friends pass a bill so they would be relevant again ? I really really despise the way koreans do shit. wut? KeSPA is more relevant than ever due to LoL and are the only organisation capable of keeping sc2 alive in the Korean E-sports scene. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On August 29 2013 19:40 BisuDagger wrote: Jangbi doesn't really come as a threat to Bisu. SSL is not OSL so Bisu has high chances to go far when he returns. HAHAHAHAHHAHA sad that thats so true :D | ||
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RyLai
United States477 Posts
I'd really like to see how GOMTV and eSF feels about this. If they're totally in support for this, then I support it too. I'm all for unification of eSports and all (so we can finally have a true international league, one that will shit on the current WCS system), but KeSpa has been the bad guy in this for so long, I don't really know how to feel about any move they make regarding power (cause they've tried to subtly take more power before, so I'm hesitant to say this isn't the exact same thing, just disguised better). (As for the bad guys, I mean the organization, not the shackled teams and players who are under KeSpa's iron rule.) This could truly be KeSpa saying, "We're tired of fighting and arguing. Let's REALLY join forces and improve Korean eSports together." I'm really hoping it is, and not another, "Okay, we'll play along with you for now, until we've slowly taken all your power away from you through constant backstabs through agreement loopholes that you hopefully won't (but totally will) notice." | ||
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RyLai
United States477 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:55 Shinta) wrote: This sucks. Now KeSPA is going to be a commoners association instead of a professional organization. Imagine if the NBA was now supposed to start taking in any team. What utter bullshit. Ofc NBA and KeSPA have there differences, but the point is that is an effort that KeSPA shouldn't have to out in. Some ideas regarding this are cool. Now GOMTV can join KeSPA and run its own league and have its own rights instead of worrying about being screwed. But at the same time, this isn't even necessarily a problem solver. Is the GSL and OSL going to keep swapping turns running WCS? In the end GOM is likely to be reduced to a side tournament organizer and mainly just a broadcasting company. KeSPA should have just stayed a professional entity. Some of eSF would have joined KeSPA soon anyways (most likely). Call me old fashioned, but I loved the ideas of having pro gamer licenses etc. making a district differentiation between semi pro gamers and PRO gamers. Being able to focus on the main stories and being able to build them up and really celebrate them instead of having to spread the love to everyone in order to give unearned "equal opportunity" and take away from the most important aspects of professional gaming. Now more progaming teams will be supported by the players organization called KeSPA, but they'll be much less significant so it won't make much of a real difference. Instead of this, a global eSPA should have been formed and KeSPA should have been on it as a member. W/e, I'm an old KeSPA fanboy. Still hope for the best for eSports, but a bit of my fire died today with this tragic event. Uhhhh... What? The NBA IS supposed to take on any team as long as it pays up. The problem is, to pay up, you need players that are either 1) really popular, or 2) keep winning so that people will be interested enough for you to generate revenue to pay everyone with. Obviously, popularity is partially linked to results. If you never win, your popularity will eventually drop to 0, and nobody pays attention to you anymore and wouldn't pay you to watch the players. And does the distinction between pro and semi pro even matter when then semi pro is the best player in the world and consistently wins every open tournament (even with top pros in them)? On an individual level, such distinction is meaningless since it's easy to improve on such a level that you go from being a talented rookie to the top of the world (bit of an exaggeration yes, but forcing people to have licences slows down the development of the scene by bottle-necking talent at a license test (usually these tests only allow x number of people to pass each time). I mean, for this sort of 1 event test, some bad player can have an insane week, and pass, while a much better player had a bad day and gets eliminated. Then when they both become licensed pros, the better player is actually performing like a pro should, while the shitty player performs at "semi pro" level and gets shit stomped day in and day out. But hey, at least he can say he's a licensed professional. These distinctions should be allocated to who is the best x many people in the world. Those on the edge will change frequently, but those who really deserve to be there will be there more often than not, and will rise above the edge. Those who don't deserve to be there will hover around the edge for a bit, then fall off. Realistically, the bar should be below the actual number of pros you want, to account for the fluctuation on the lower end, the top actually being real pros, and the error section included being considered technical pros or those at professional level of play. There's old fashioned for the sake of good, and then there's old fashioned for the sake of elitism. Welcome to category 2. Your opinions and values will get absolutely nothing positive done. | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
There will be changes, sure. But overall i find this a good change. | ||
digmouse
China6330 Posts
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larse
1611 Posts
Rumor from the famous Chinese translator wooyeon. She posts some tweets and posts in social medias that some Korean players, coaches, and casters discuss the following stuff. First, they said SPL is delaying to next year, so that's why some players retire. But some speculate that's because of the combination of LoL SPL and thus it is delayed. A few even say SPL is canceled. Former CJ coach (the one before coach Park) expresses his disappointment in SC2. Second, Samsung Khan is recruiting a LoL team. Stork is now casting the college league (don't know if it's SC2). Third, Jaehoon said in his stream, one Zerg player will retire and Jangbi won't go to Afreeca. http://www.playsc.com/forum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=378484&extra=page=1 | ||
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digmouse
China6330 Posts
On August 30 2013 15:56 larse wrote: Rumor: SPL is delayed to next year, a Zerg player is retiring, Jangbi won't go to Afreeca, Stork is doing casting, and Samsung is recruiting a LoL team Rumor from the famous Chinese translator wooyeon. She posts some tweets and posts in social medias that some Korean players, coaches, and casters discuss the following stuff. First, they said SPL is delaying to next year, so that's why some players retire. But some speculate that's because of the combination of LoL SPL and thus it is delayed. A few even say SPL is canceled. Former CJ coach (the one before coach Park) expresses his disappointment in SC2. Second, Samsung Khan is recruiting a LoL team. Stork is now casting the college league (don't know if it's SC2). Third, Jaehoon said in his stream, one Zerg player will retire and Jangbi won't go to Afreeca. http://www.playsc.com/forum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=378484&extra=page=1 The retiring Zerg is rumored to be ZerO. While JangBi not going to SRT makes me sad, might have lost all the competitive soul in him | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
On August 30 2013 16:08 digmouse wrote: The retiring Zerg is rumored to be ZerO. While JangBi not going to SRT makes me sad, might have lost all the competitive soul in him Hey digmouse, can you do some more translation in the future from Chinese source? I was thinking about not doing it this much. I was doing it too often. | ||
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digmouse
China6330 Posts
On August 30 2013 16:09 larse wrote: Hey digmouse, can you do some more translation in the future from Chinese source? I was thinking about not doing it this much. I was doing it too often. How about me doing a "This Week in China" thingy? | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
On August 30 2013 16:12 digmouse wrote: How about me doing a "This Week in China" thingy? No no, I was talking about translating wooyeon's Korean translation, rumors, and all that. I did a lot of translation to English, but I am thinking about not doing it that often. And I hope someone can do it since sometimes on one will post them in the English speaking world. And also, not only in TL but in reddit as well. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft | ||
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digmouse
China6330 Posts
On August 30 2013 16:14 larse wrote: No no, I was talking about translating wooyeon's Korean translation, rumors, and all that. I did a lot of translation to English, but I am thinking about not doing it that often. And I hope someone can do it since sometimes on one will post them in the English speaking world. OK then I guess I'll put it as a priority. I always think TL should have someone speaking Korean that can track these things down, turns out no one is doing it, kinda surprising. DO IT WAXANGEL! | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On August 30 2013 15:56 larse wrote: Rumor: SPL is delayed to next year, a Zerg player is retiring, Jangbi won't go to Afreeca, Stork is doing casting, and Samsung is recruiting a LoL team Rumor from the famous Chinese translator wooyeon. She posts some tweets and posts in social medias that some Korean players, coaches, and casters discuss the following stuff. First, they said SPL is delaying to next year, so that's why some players retire. But some speculate that's because of the combination of LoL SPL and thus it is delayed. A few even say SPL is canceled. Former CJ coach (the one before coach Park) expresses his disappointment in SC2. Second, Samsung Khan is recruiting a LoL team. Stork is now casting the college league (don't know if it's SC2). Third, Jaehoon said in his stream, one Zerg player will retire and Jangbi won't go to Afreeca. http://www.playsc.com/forum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=378484&extra=page=1 Why is stork casting? He has cell phone games to play. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On August 30 2013 16:08 digmouse wrote: The retiring Zerg is rumored to be ZerO. While JangBi not going to SRT makes me sad, might have lost all the competitive soul in him He has a year to think about it. I'm sure he will make an appearance streaming on Afreeca, if only for old time's sake. | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
On August 30 2013 16:16 digmouse wrote: OK then I guess I'll put it as a priority. I always think TL should have someone speaking Korean that can track these things down, turns out no one is doing it, kinda surprising. DO IT WAXANGEL! Seeker is doing the post-match interview translation from Korean. But it can be much slower than wooyeon's. And all the rumors mostly come from wooyeon. So very few people post them. I posted a lot in both TL and reddit. You normally can't start a thread about some random rumor, but posting on reddit would be good idea. And there are some longer interview and news such as your thread here. Also, fewer people are translating them. But wooyeon is very likely to do it. And there's the NGA's fzy who does it in http://bbs.ngacn.cc/thread.php?fid=406 | ||
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