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This sucks for WCS. Having a walkover at the LAN section just messes with the tournament. Now one group is easier than the others plus another player, Hwangsin could have participated.
I like Violet a lot but this issue is entirely down to him, so I don't feel too sorry for him. The mess is of his own making. It is his responsibility to ensure he did not overstay his previous Visa conditions.
WCS should prevent him from participating in future seasons of WCS NA until he can show he has resolved his Visa issue. Otherwise Season 3 could get messed up as well.
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I'm more surprised that violet think he could possibly get a visa this decade after overstaying. And I'm even more shocked to hear that his manager think it's somehow fixable. Maybe if he got a direct line to a congressman or something.
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This sucks for Jaedong xD
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On August 04 2013 23:09 Marchinko wrote:Well this is strange as the USA does see eSports as sport and VISA's shoudn't be a problem Show nested quote +Well, now according to Riot Games eSports manager Nick Allen (speaking to Gamespot), after a long back and forth with the government, the U.S. finally now recognizes eSports players as professional athletes, and will grant them visas under that identifier. This will dramatically streamline the process for foreign players to enter the U.S. for events, and it’s a big victory for the scene. + Show Spoiler +http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/07/14/the-u-s-now-recognizes-esports-players-as-professional-athletes/ Except it speaks only about LoL and not esports in general.
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I feel they should get visa's BEFORE round of 32.
this sort of stuff makes WCS look very noob imo
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On August 05 2013 00:08 Eggi wrote: I feel they should get visa's BEFORE round of 32.
this sort of stuff makes WCS look very noob imo if they do like your suggestion and then lost their ro32 matches. they lost alot $$ from visa fee.
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And being able to show financial support is a big part of the Visa process. They do not want people coming to the USA and becoming a burden on welfare programs or get a free ride home.
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On August 04 2013 23:44 tree.hugger wrote: This should surprise nobody. Last time the US let viOlet in, he abused his visa and overstayed. He broke the law. That's their perspective and it happens to be correct. I know online we're all one big happy family, but countries take this stuff seriously. viOlet and his management really screwed up. Honestly, viOlet should probably try to switch regions, because it's going to continue to be hard/impossible for him to get into the US for years.
My now wife got refused once at the border. They wanted more evidence of self financial support and foundation back home (bills being paid, etc) since she was not driving in her own vehicle over.
Once that flag is on it was an hour at each crossing. She also had to have set limits on her stays and they made it clear if you overstay things will harder in the future. Its been a few years now and the last couple times it has not been as bad. Now she has her green card but we have not tested re-entry yet with that.
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Is it mean to say, kinda glad Visa issues happen so we can see more Americans maybe in the league?
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On August 05 2013 00:30 HeeroFX wrote: Is it mean to say, kinda glad Visa issues happen so we can see more Americans maybe in the league? You're welcome to your opinion, but I hardly think that this is going to produce more NA players in WCS AM. It's just going to open a spot for a lesser known eSF or KeSPA player.
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Where did it say violet illegally stayed in the U.S. is that assumed, when the manager said stayed too long?
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On August 04 2013 23:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 23:21 Lonyo wrote:On August 04 2013 22:48 Spectralx wrote: Region Lock for heavens sake please. What region do you lock Chinese players into? Or Australians? Or South Africans? Or Euros in the US, or Americans in Europe? Or Koreans in Europe or the US? Saying "region lock" is the most pointless thing in the world and IMO should be something that there's a rule against. China, it has it's own scene, give it the support it deserves. Until 3 weeks ago China didn't have a HotS scene at all officially, since it hadn't been cleared and released, and we had already started this round of WCS.
As many people said initially, this whole WCS thing hasn't been fully thought through, they launched it too soon, and it's still having issues. Region locking doesn't solve those issues without a whole lot of other work as well/beforehand, so just saying "Region lock for heavens sake please" is pointless and not at all helpful.
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On August 04 2013 23:44 tree.hugger wrote: This should surprise nobody. Last time the US let viOlet in, he abused his visa and overstayed. He broke the law. That's their perspective and it happens to be correct. I know online we're all one big happy family, but countries take this stuff seriously. viOlet and his management really screwed up. Honestly, viOlet should probably try to switch regions, because it's going to continue to be hard/impossible for him to get into the US for years.
Yes but even switching regions won't help too much. For at least one season finals a year, should he qualify for it, he will be unable to attend as it will be in America. And if by some strange occurrence he makes the yearly final, which is nearly impossible without making it to a season final, he won't be able to attend that either as its at Blizzcon IIRC.
Although I don't think its a question of should switch but a matter of he should be forced too. Its pretty sad for the second time to see how drastically this changes WCS AM.
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Why don't they give hwangsin his spot? If someone fails to show up to the Ro16 due to visa or other travel issues, the 3rd place person in that Ro32 group should replace them. Walkovers are awful.
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On August 04 2013 18:31 Waxangel wrote: so violet overstayed his visa and is having trouble getting back
surprise -_-?
Never happened before...............
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Jesus Christ... But I guess Violet had this coming...
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On August 04 2013 18:12 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 18:08 VieuxSinge wrote: How come he is the only Korean with visa issues? He stayed in the US illegally for a long time in 2012 and now they're not letting him back in, his manager lied and said it would all be fixed far before ro16 season 2 but well here we are. That's probably why he left AZUBU.
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Visa problem only in USA. wcs america didnt think of it that'S amazing
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hmm if he did indeed overstay for his last visa, then it's his fault that he can't get one this time. It's definitely rough though :/ Best of luck to violet!
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sucks, but really can't be surprising given that he was technically an illegal alien living in the US..
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