EPTIs Serral a Flash of SC2?
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SiarX
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Charoisaur
Germany16006 Posts
Serral did in a scene that's a shadow of its former self with most of the other Goat contenders retired/declined/in- or just out of military | ||
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sertas
Sweden888 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45003 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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MJG
United Kingdom1322 Posts
On June 05 2024 20:23 Charoisaur wrote: The difference is: Flash did it in the most competitive period of the game where there were 100s of pros, teamhouses, infrastructure etc. Serral did in a scene that's a shadow of its former self with most of the other Goat contenders retired/declined/in- or just out of military This. I don't even need to follow BW to know that Flash's achievements are utterly remarkable. | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
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outscar
2832 Posts
I respect Serral but he will never be FlaSh even if he wins 20 more trophies. | ||
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Durnuu
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PremoBeats
532 Posts
BUT Serral is definitely a little bit too late to have competed in the most competitive era. While in my opinion there is no doubt that Flash is the GOAT of Starcraft and Serral is the GOAT of Starcraft 2, you can't compare the two, because of the era that Flash dominated in. | ||
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Agh
United States1006 Posts
The present will always hold more weight since the players are just going to be better. To reach someone like Happy(war3) or Serral(sc2)'s dominance shows extreme dedication and ability. For instance Moon always got the nod even though people like Lyn made compelling runs at times. But since Happy has cemented himself as the goat even if he stops playing or completely falls off it is very unlikely anyone would surpass him, but not impossible. Serral is probably as close as you're going to get. Sc2 is just such a brutally difficult game, the consistency he exhibits is pretty mind blowing. The only real challengers he has is Maru and someone like Life had they remained. Given the time that each game has been out relative to their dominance is a good metric to bolster the argument. Then again why ponder anything you could always just refer to a 'goat' list to get some super fried takes  | ||
Mizenhauer
United States1899 Posts
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Fighter
Korea (South)1531 Posts
(I recognize that SC2 has not really "had bonjwas," but IIRC, "bonjwa" was largely applied retroactively to Boxer, Nada, Iloveoov AFTER Savior, so... maybe not unreasonable to do some retroactive bonjwa-ing in SC?). | ||
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LukaMav
28 Posts
Serral won during the peak (skillwise) Anything before LOTV was relatively low skill (current high master , low GM at best). People need to remember casters has mentioned many times that any current diamond could win GSL in WOL User was banned for this post. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45003 Posts
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
On June 05 2024 23:01 LukaMav wrote: Probably better than Flash Serral won during the peak (skillwise) Anything before LOTV was relatively low skill (current high master , low GM at best). People need to remember casters has mentioned many times that any current diamond could win GSL in WOL This is always a silly argument. Of course players get better and better over time. The level they play at is improved over 2014, but the competition is not. We can only evaluate the performance and "skill" relative to their peers at a given time, and the dominance over their peers. Serrall might be dominant, but he is dominant over fewer players in a less competitive setting. Are his skills better than 2013? Undoubtedly. But it's not like those skills were there without the rest of the scene developing first. | ||
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Nasigil1
114 Posts
The difference in level of competition is obvious, although it's a bit unfair to Serral that he was born too late and didn't catch the golden age of Sc2. He only finished school and go full time after 2017. That being said his resume in 2018 is still pretty crazy, that was the time where most of Korean sc2 pros still played and maintained a high level. Still not quite on the level of Flash's insanity in 2010 tho. Flash also had that crazy period where he plays random and still regularly beating other top players. This shows his understanding and skill is almost a level above everyone else in the scene. Serral so far has only show dominance with Zerg. I do want to point out that Serral has one argument in his favor- he's a foreigner, therefore he never have access to all the Korean Esports infrastructure, practice environment and high level competition (I know KeSPA collapsed but what's left in Korea is still miles above everywhere else in the world). Serral only gets to practice in EU ladder and compete with EU players during his early career. How did he rise up to top of the world with much inferior practice and competition environment? I don't know. It makes no sense. Only explanation is just exquisite talent. Imagine what could have been if Serral was born in Korea and had access to all those things. Or imagine how Flash would do if he was born in Finland. That's an interesting question to consider. | ||
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Beelzebub1
1004 Posts
But, timing is everything, as people have mentioned, back when SC2 was bumping and competition was at it's absolute peak, Serral was practically a nobody. Back in the KESPA era, BW was extremely competitive, and Flash dominated HARD during the entire time. Serral is amazing, but sorry, no Flash. I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but imo BW is a substantially challenging more game to play as well, so extra points to Flash there as well. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Nirli
Bulgaria378 Posts
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