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DsT-Napoleon
Profile Joined May 2013
38 Posts
August 04 2013 12:00 GMT
#81
Perhaps he shouldn't have entered in NA?
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 12:03:25
August 04 2013 12:02 GMT
#82
On August 04 2013 20:54 DinosaurJones wrote:
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On August 04 2013 20:43 Zealously wrote:
On August 04 2013 20:40 DinosaurJones wrote:
So it's possible that we might have 3 walkovers on the ro16 for WCS AM? Violet cannot be there and Jim and Macsed may also not be able to make it... that's pretty bad :/


Macsed got a visa though, didn't he?



Last I heard both of them were still in question. I'd be happy to be wrong though!


Macsed got one, Jim's still not confirmed (probably won't get one)

On August 04 2013 21:00 DsT-Napoleon wrote:
Perhaps he shouldn't have entered in NA?


It was either that or EU (which is shit latency-wise from China) - KR requires you to physically be there all season.
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Profile Joined February 2012
Estonia329 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 12:03:48
August 04 2013 12:03 GMT
#83
On August 04 2013 20:55 arie3000 wrote:
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On August 04 2013 19:10 Gamegene wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:05 petrox wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:02 Fionn wrote:
Riot also pays their players salaries. They're basically all "employees" of Riot while they play in the LCS, getting a set amount of salary for every season they play in.


Wouldn't paying every Premier / Challenger league player a nominal sum (i.e. 1 dollar, or a peppercorn) circumvent the whole problem then?


you really think our government is that incompetent when it comes to these kinds of issues?


Well...

Joking aside, this is a pretty sad situation, and I think holding the finals next year in Canada might be an option. Alternatively, Blizz should indeed put the RO16 players on the payroll for the duration of the tournament (and not for 1$, but somewhat reasonable salary - maybe employ them in their home country so this can count as a 'work visit', which is probably easier to get.
IMHO after a dropout, #17 should get a spot, so no-one gets the advantage of a walkover, and we get to see more matches


No, Canada is not an option - blizzard was pretty clear they plan to move the whole ro32 into LAN.
How people residing in korea get their visas sorted in the future is not their concern, unless they actually need one to live in a team house in US.

With chinese players blizzard has a responsibility, since they screwed the whole region over.

Amaril
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany105 Posts
August 04 2013 12:10 GMT
#84
On August 04 2013 20:50 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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On August 04 2013 20:47 Amaril wrote:
Thats why its a terrible idea to do SC2 Events in america! All WCS NA Events should be held in Germany or Korea.


Isn't there a minimum age requirement for competing in Germany? That's hardly ideal...


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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 04 2013 12:19 GMT
#85
On August 04 2013 21:03 rename wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 20:55 arie3000 wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:10 Gamegene wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:05 petrox wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:02 Fionn wrote:
Riot also pays their players salaries. They're basically all "employees" of Riot while they play in the LCS, getting a set amount of salary for every season they play in.


Wouldn't paying every Premier / Challenger league player a nominal sum (i.e. 1 dollar, or a peppercorn) circumvent the whole problem then?


you really think our government is that incompetent when it comes to these kinds of issues?


Well...

Joking aside, this is a pretty sad situation, and I think holding the finals next year in Canada might be an option. Alternatively, Blizz should indeed put the RO16 players on the payroll for the duration of the tournament (and not for 1$, but somewhat reasonable salary - maybe employ them in their home country so this can count as a 'work visit', which is probably easier to get.
IMHO after a dropout, #17 should get a spot, so no-one gets the advantage of a walkover, and we get to see more matches


No, Canada is not an option - blizzard was pretty clear they plan to move the whole ro32 into LAN.
How people residing in korea get their visas sorted in the future is not their concern, unless they actually need one to live in a team house in US.

With chinese players blizzard has a responsibility, since they screwed the whole region over.


Exactly. There is no grantees that they won't have other problems in Canada. Other players have had to deal with this problem, like Demuslim, who spent the money to get a work Visa and is on a US based team.

And really, Violet did this to himself by overstaying his visa/getting 90 visas over and over to stay in the US.
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MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
August 04 2013 12:30 GMT
#86
On August 04 2013 21:10 Amaril wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 20:50 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 04 2013 20:47 Amaril wrote:
Thats why its a terrible idea to do SC2 Events in america! All WCS NA Events should be held in Germany or Korea.


Isn't there a minimum age requirement for competing in Germany? That's hardly ideal...


16


Yeah.

I'm just saying, FlaSh and Life won the most prestigious titles of their respective games when they were 15. If I'm not mistaken Creator was also 15 when he won TSL4 and WCS KR 2012. There's other examples I'm sure. Hell you guys have HeRoMaRiNe who's been pretty good lately right? :/
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Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
August 04 2013 12:30 GMT
#87
On August 04 2013 21:00 DsT-Napoleon wrote:
Perhaps he shouldn't have entered in NA?

Perhaps Blizzard shouldn't host WCS AM in the USA.
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DinosaurJones
Profile Joined February 2012
United States1000 Posts
August 04 2013 12:35 GMT
#88
Well, at least Macsed can make it. This ro16 is having some pretty bad issues between the fire at the venue and players being unable to make it.
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
August 04 2013 12:39 GMT
#89
This VISA reflects very poorly on the tournament itself and comes to no surprise, really.
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Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
August 04 2013 12:58 GMT
#90
What kind of visa is usually required for Korean nationals?

I heard that some players from Europe and similar regions have traveled to the U.S. on the visa waiver program where you're allowed to stay up to 90 days without visa. But if I remember correctly, that program specifically states that occupational activities are not covered. Wonder how tournament competitions with prize money fit in with that.
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KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
August 04 2013 12:59 GMT
#91
On August 04 2013 21:02 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 20:54 DinosaurJones wrote:
On August 04 2013 20:43 Zealously wrote:
On August 04 2013 20:40 DinosaurJones wrote:
So it's possible that we might have 3 walkovers on the ro16 for WCS AM? Violet cannot be there and Jim and Macsed may also not be able to make it... that's pretty bad :/


Macsed got a visa though, didn't he?



Last I heard both of them were still in question. I'd be happy to be wrong though!


Macsed got one, Jim's still not confirmed (probably won't get one)

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On August 04 2013 21:00 DsT-Napoleon wrote:
Perhaps he shouldn't have entered in NA?


It was either that or EU (which is shit latency-wise from China) - KR requires you to physically be there all season.


Yet another way the KR region is markedly different from the other two. Where is the consistency? I thought that was the point of this whole abomination of a tournament.
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Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
August 04 2013 13:00 GMT
#92
On August 04 2013 18:21 Gamegene wrote:
it hurts reading about every visa issue ever since LCS cleared this problem :/


Even if they did start doing that special "sport competitor visa" or whatever it is I still think Violet would have trouble getting one. It seems that he was illegally staying in the US for a very long time, they're not going to forget that.

What I'm about to say may be incredibly unpopular, and I really do like the guy, but is it time to consider banning Violet from competing in season 3 (for AM only). That's two walkovers now, whether it was his fault or not is irrelevant. I've played in regional leagues for my local football and hockey teams and if a team ever conceded two walkovers it was instant relegation. If the guy has no chance to attend the live RO16 event then he's costing other players a spot and also making the tournament look like a complete joke.

WCS is how it is now and we have to get used to that, but come 2014 I hope Blizzard make some big changes to avoid all this mess.
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
August 04 2013 13:05 GMT
#93
On August 04 2013 18:08 VieuxSinge wrote:
How come he is the only Korean with visa issues?

I'd imagine it has something to do with him living in America for most of 2012. It still sucks that he keeps getting shut down though. Makes the worst WCS region that much worse when we can't get some of the players to come
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Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
August 04 2013 13:16 GMT
#94
On August 04 2013 21:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 21:10 Amaril wrote:
On August 04 2013 20:50 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 04 2013 20:47 Amaril wrote:
Thats why its a terrible idea to do SC2 Events in america! All WCS NA Events should be held in Germany or Korea.


Isn't there a minimum age requirement for competing in Germany? That's hardly ideal...


16


Yeah.

I'm just saying, FlaSh and Life won the most prestigious titles of their respective games when they were 15. If I'm not mistaken Creator was also 15 when he won TSL4 and WCS KR 2012. There's other examples I'm sure. Hell you guys have HeRoMaRiNe who's been pretty good lately right? :/


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(the capitalisation in his name is so stupid)
actually did compete in the challenger league qualifiers this year, so I don't know what's up with that. Maybe he did it on the knowledge that by the time season 3 comes around he would've turned 16? I think the age restriction is something to do with laws and payment of cash prizes, I don't really know.
marcjpb
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada64 Posts
August 04 2013 13:16 GMT
#95
On August 04 2013 18:31 Waxangel wrote:
so violet overstayed his visa and is having trouble getting back

surprise -_-?


If this is the case, its very poor management from his team.
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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
August 04 2013 13:17 GMT
#96
The US Government doing their best to promote the American talent pool, clearly.
Santi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Colombia466 Posts
August 04 2013 13:33 GMT
#97
On August 04 2013 18:27 opisska wrote:
Why is WCS America always in USA anyway. Isn't it supposed to mean the whole continent? Just make the offline part in any Latin American country, they let in almost everyone (sometimes you have to pay a small official fee, sometimes a small inoffical as well, but that's small change compared to the prize pool ).


Thats not really true, back in 2012 WCS Colombia Qualifers held in Bogota, Colombia, WhiteRa was going to come for TtEsports and do some marketing stuff for them at the Campus Party but his visa was denied.
Akimbo
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada105 Posts
August 04 2013 13:35 GMT
#98
hopefully Jim will be OK. Since this is the first time Jim be leaving China I believe.
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AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 13:40:27
August 04 2013 13:38 GMT
#99
Too bad to hear, but I'm not super surprised considering the US's position on overstaying your visa.

On the other hand, there has to be some sort of punishment being dolled out here by Blizzard/WCS/whatever ruling body resides over this. Qualifying for two consecutive Ro16, knocking out players, when you're not sure if you'll be able to attend the offline Ro16 and onward just doesn't seem right.

On August 04 2013 22:38 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 22:33 Santi wrote:
On August 04 2013 18:27 opisska wrote:
Why is WCS America always in USA anyway. Isn't it supposed to mean the whole continent? Just make the offline part in any Latin American country, they let in almost everyone (sometimes you have to pay a small official fee, sometimes a small inoffical as well, but that's small change compared to the prize pool ).


Thats not really true, back in 2012 WCS Colombia Qualifers held in Bogota, Colombia, WhiteRa was going to come for TtEsports and do some marketing stuff for them at the Campus Party but his visa was denied.

I love how people keep assuming that people wouldn't have visa issues in other countries. You have to ask to enter another country and they might not let you in.

I also love how people keep saying "why not host it in another country?" like it's practical and cost efficient to do so.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 13:39:53
August 04 2013 13:38 GMT
#100
On August 04 2013 22:33 Santi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 18:27 opisska wrote:
Why is WCS America always in USA anyway. Isn't it supposed to mean the whole continent? Just make the offline part in any Latin American country, they let in almost everyone (sometimes you have to pay a small official fee, sometimes a small inoffical as well, but that's small change compared to the prize pool ).


Thats not really true, back in 2012 WCS Colombia Qualifers held in Bogota, Colombia, WhiteRa was going to come for TtEsports and do some marketing stuff for them at the Campus Party but his visa was denied.

I love how people keep assuming that people wouldn't have visa issues in other countries. You have to ask to enter another country and they might not let you in.

Was Violet the one who stayed in the US because he was seeing a girl? Or is that someone else?
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