• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:48
CEST 20:48
KST 03:48
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE12Weekly Cups (July 20-26): Early returns on 5.0.16b8IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly4Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"9ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!42
StarCraft 2
General
Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE Weekly Cups (July 20-26): Early returns on 5.0.16b Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Terran or Protoss
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly INu's Battles#18 - Cure, herO, Rogue & ByuN
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game ASL22 General Discussion screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 2v2v2v2 Tournament [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Star Con San Diego 2026
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvT advise for noobs
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread 2026-27 Football Thread placeholder TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Games, Hormones, and "Dark" …
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7108 users

Violet forfeits WCS AM Ro16 Season 2 due to Visa Issues -…

Forum Index > SC2 General
269 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 12 13 14 Next All
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
August 04 2013 11:23 GMT
#61
On August 04 2013 20:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 20:08 Assirra wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:07 Naphal wrote:
On August 04 2013 18:49 Lonyo wrote:
On August 04 2013 18:39 Naphal wrote:
well i hope blizzard changes the policy regarding visa, at the very least for people who already had to forfeit once.

and i know it might not be fair to take it out on the players, but honestly, this is a tournament for the entertainment of the viewers, and not for the players, the players only get money because viewers are watching, and you cannot really watch walkovers, i dont know what they will do, but especially for chinese players it seems rather difficult, so they would need to do something for their sc2 scene.

on the other hand, violet already had a visa and only has problems now because he violated (<,<) the terms that came with it, so i dont really feel sorry for him.

Blizzard doesn't have a policy regarding visas.
You need a visa to get into the US if you are from certain countries. That's a US government requirement.
The only way Blizzard can "change the policy" is by not holding WCS AM in the USA, thereby changing the visa policy to the policy of the Canadian/Mexican etc government, rather than the US government.


maybe i phrased that wrong, blizzards policy (or better stance if i used that word wrong) regarding visas should be:

any player must be able to participate in the offlinematches, if a player already failed to do so once and/or his situation makes participation unlikely, he should be prevented from playing in that wcsregion.

of course i know that visas are government related and have nothing to do with a gaming company.

So you say you understand and yet still say Blizzard need to change their policy when its completely out of their hands?


He's saying Blizzard shouldn't have let viOLet compete to begin with...


well i am not a native speaker but "blizzards policy/stance REGARDING visa" as a formulation does not say they are involved with visas (not at all), but rather how they think or act based on it? or do i write fundamentally wrong english here?
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
August 04 2013 11:26 GMT
#62
On August 04 2013 18:57 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 18:48 pretender58 wrote:
Really sad to see visa issues again (and it´s always the US -.-)
But it´s good to see that Blizzard has recognised this problem and pledged to deal with it.


Tbh, it's more Violet fault than anything this time.

How you can say that this is rather Violet's fault?

"Hi guys viOLet's manager here, long story short when you spend too much time in the U.S. in the prior year, getting a VISA can be difficult."
In other words: Violet lived more in America than in South Korea at year 2012 (<- this is the prior year). Blizzard announce their WCS stuff (later) at 3rd April 2013.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 04 2013 11:26 GMT
#63
On August 04 2013 19:25 Ronski wrote:
They might aswell region lock WCS America, would decrease the amount of nasty surprises by 90%


Also the level of play
AdministratorBreak the chains
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
August 04 2013 11:34 GMT
#64
On August 04 2013 20:14 m0ck wrote:
These constant abandonment from players outside the US is the best argument for a region lock. There should be consequences for not showing up for the matches you signed up for..


No, it is not. It is a good argument for
- doing it not in the US (not likely for commercial reasons)
- players/teams doing better preparation for these matters
- extra penalisation of players who fail to obtain visas
- Blizzard lobbying for SC2 recognition as a sport.

But you want the region lock, so youtry to use it as an argument for it, even though it isn't. These are very isolated cases, there are 11 koreans in the Ro16 and 10 of them seem to make it.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
August 04 2013 11:36 GMT
#65
On August 04 2013 20:26 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 18:57 Noocta wrote:
On August 04 2013 18:48 pretender58 wrote:
Really sad to see visa issues again (and it´s always the US -.-)
But it´s good to see that Blizzard has recognised this problem and pledged to deal with it.


Tbh, it's more Violet fault than anything this time.

How you can say that this is rather Violet's fault?

"Hi guys viOLet's manager here, long story short when you spend too much time in the U.S. in the prior year, getting a VISA can be difficult."
In other words: Violet lived more in America than in South Korea at year 2012 (<- this is the prior year). Blizzard announce their WCS stuff (later) at 3rd April 2013.


On August 04 2013 18:12 Dodgin wrote:
He stayed in the US illegally for a long time in 2012 and now they're not letting him back in, his manager lied and said it would all be fixed far before ro16 season 2 but well here we are.


it's not Violet's fault but WHO ?
@taefoxy
joelee1995
Profile Joined July 2013
China2 Posts
August 04 2013 11:38 GMT
#66
still don't know how is Jim's visa going. he failed last time and he is trying again
DinosaurJones
Profile Joined February 2012
United States1000 Posts
August 04 2013 11:40 GMT
#67
So it's possible that we might have 3 walkovers on the ro16 for WCS AM? Violet cannot be there and Jim and Macsed may also not be able to make it... that's pretty bad :/
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
August 04 2013 11:42 GMT
#68
are you fucking kidding me?

poor guy really can't catch a break.

and can blizzard just call up riot already to figure out how they worked their way around this problem?
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 04 2013 11:43 GMT
#69
On August 04 2013 20:40 DinosaurJones wrote:
So it's possible that we might have 3 walkovers on the ro16 for WCS AM? Violet cannot be there and Jim and Macsed may also not be able to make it... that's pretty bad :/


Macsed got a visa though, didn't he?
AdministratorBreak the chains
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
August 04 2013 11:45 GMT
#70
On August 04 2013 20:23 Naphal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 20:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 04 2013 20:08 Assirra wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:07 Naphal wrote:
On August 04 2013 18:49 Lonyo wrote:
On August 04 2013 18:39 Naphal wrote:
well i hope blizzard changes the policy regarding visa, at the very least for people who already had to forfeit once.

and i know it might not be fair to take it out on the players, but honestly, this is a tournament for the entertainment of the viewers, and not for the players, the players only get money because viewers are watching, and you cannot really watch walkovers, i dont know what they will do, but especially for chinese players it seems rather difficult, so they would need to do something for their sc2 scene.

on the other hand, violet already had a visa and only has problems now because he violated (<,<) the terms that came with it, so i dont really feel sorry for him.

Blizzard doesn't have a policy regarding visas.
You need a visa to get into the US if you are from certain countries. That's a US government requirement.
The only way Blizzard can "change the policy" is by not holding WCS AM in the USA, thereby changing the visa policy to the policy of the Canadian/Mexican etc government, rather than the US government.


maybe i phrased that wrong, blizzards policy (or better stance if i used that word wrong) regarding visas should be:

any player must be able to participate in the offlinematches, if a player already failed to do so once and/or his situation makes participation unlikely, he should be prevented from playing in that wcsregion.

of course i know that visas are government related and have nothing to do with a gaming company.

So you say you understand and yet still say Blizzard need to change their policy when its completely out of their hands?


He's saying Blizzard shouldn't have let viOLet compete to begin with...


well i am not a native speaker but "blizzards policy/stance REGARDING visa" as a formulation does not say they are involved with visas (not at all), but rather how they think or act based on it? or do i write fundamentally wrong english here?

Nope, everything you wrote was pretty clear. The guys responding to you didn't read it thoroughly.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Amaril
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany105 Posts
August 04 2013 11:47 GMT
#71
Thats why its a terrible idea to do SC2 Events in america! All WCS NA Events should be held in Germany or Korea.
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
August 04 2013 11:47 GMT
#72
On August 04 2013 20:26 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 19:25 Ronski wrote:
They might aswell region lock WCS America, would decrease the amount of nasty surprises by 90%


Also the level of play

This. No one would watch that.
・゚✧:・゚+..。✧・゚:・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚ ゜・:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING *・゜・:・゚✧:・゚✧。゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:・゜・:・゚✧::・・:・゚・゚
Luiwtf
Profile Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-04 11:49:43
August 04 2013 11:49 GMT
#73
On August 04 2013 20:26 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 18:57 Noocta wrote:
On August 04 2013 18:48 pretender58 wrote:
Really sad to see visa issues again (and it´s always the US -.-)
But it´s good to see that Blizzard has recognised this problem and pledged to deal with it.


Tbh, it's more Violet fault than anything this time.

How you can say that this is rather Violet's fault?

"Hi guys viOLet's manager here, long story short when you spend too much time in the U.S. in the prior year, getting a VISA can be difficult."
In other words: Violet lived more in America than in South Korea at year 2012 (<- this is the prior year). Blizzard announce their WCS stuff (later) at 3rd April 2013.


How isn't that Violet's fault? He chose to compete in WCS America twice, the first time knowing he'd been in the US illegally which would mean that it's unlikely he's going to get a Visa, and the second time after already being declined a Visa a few months prior.

Assuming he did stay in the US illegally (I've read that he did a few times, but cba checking since I don't really care about Violet) this is hardly surprising or undeserved.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
August 04 2013 11:50 GMT
#74
On August 04 2013 20:47 Amaril wrote:
Thats why its a terrible idea to do SC2 Events in america! All WCS NA Events should be held in Germany or Korea.


Isn't there a minimum age requirement for competing in Germany? That's hardly ideal...
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
rename
Profile Joined February 2012
Estonia329 Posts
August 04 2013 11:51 GMT
#75
They should have mandated some sort of "be sure you dont have VISA problems before choosing WCS region" policy to begin with - but since they dont provide a region for SEA and rushed the thing so fast, the fault is on blizzard with this one.

Wonder how EG-TL and Axiom has managed to avoid all these issues.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 04 2013 11:52 GMT
#76
On August 04 2013 19:06 LittleRedBoy wrote:
Welcome to America, the most free country in the world!

You think other countries don't have visas? America just happens to be the most popular country to go to for tournaments, many European countries have issues with Russian players, for instance.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
August 04 2013 11:53 GMT
#77
Let him play the games online. The lag is punishment enough.
DinosaurJones
Profile Joined February 2012
United States1000 Posts
August 04 2013 11:54 GMT
#78
On August 04 2013 20:43 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 20:40 DinosaurJones wrote:
So it's possible that we might have 3 walkovers on the ro16 for WCS AM? Violet cannot be there and Jim and Macsed may also not be able to make it... that's pretty bad :/


Macsed got a visa though, didn't he?



Last I heard both of them were still in question. I'd be happy to be wrong though!
arie3000
Profile Joined October 2011
153 Posts
August 04 2013 11:55 GMT
#79
On August 04 2013 19:10 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 19:05 petrox wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:02 Fionn wrote:
Riot also pays their players salaries. They're basically all "employees" of Riot while they play in the LCS, getting a set amount of salary for every season they play in.


Wouldn't paying every Premier / Challenger league player a nominal sum (i.e. 1 dollar, or a peppercorn) circumvent the whole problem then?


you really think our government is that incompetent when it comes to these kinds of issues?


Well...

Joking aside, this is a pretty sad situation, and I think holding the finals next year in Canada might be an option. Alternatively, Blizz should indeed put the RO16 players on the payroll for the duration of the tournament (and not for 1$, but somewhat reasonable salary - maybe employ them in their home country so this can count as a 'work visit', which is probably easier to get.
IMHO after a dropout, #17 should get a spot, so no-one gets the advantage of a walkover, and we get to see more matches
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 04 2013 11:59 GMT
#80
On August 04 2013 20:55 arie3000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2013 19:10 Gamegene wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:05 petrox wrote:
On August 04 2013 19:02 Fionn wrote:
Riot also pays their players salaries. They're basically all "employees" of Riot while they play in the LCS, getting a set amount of salary for every season they play in.


Wouldn't paying every Premier / Challenger league player a nominal sum (i.e. 1 dollar, or a peppercorn) circumvent the whole problem then?


you really think our government is that incompetent when it comes to these kinds of issues?


Well...

Joking aside, this is a pretty sad situation, and I think holding the finals next year in Canada might be an option. Alternatively, Blizz should indeed put the RO16 players on the payroll for the duration of the tournament (and not for 1$, but somewhat reasonable salary - maybe employ them in their home country so this can count as a 'work visit', which is probably easier to get.
IMHO after a dropout, #17 should get a spot, so no-one gets the advantage of a walkover, and we get to see more matches

Work visas are super expensive. Like $5,000-$10,000 expensive. And they dont give you one for a week long event.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 12 13 14 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
18:30
Mid Season Playoffs
SteadfastSC44
Liquipedia
Patches Events
17:00
Patch Clash #9
Reynor vs Solar
ByuN vs TBD
RotterdaM1144
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1269
mouzHeroMarine 498
ProTech88
BRAT_OK 74
SteadfastSC 32
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 21132
Calm 4693
Sexy 28
IntoTheRainbow 11
Mong 1
Dota 2
Gorgc8359
League of Legends
Grubby2637
Counter-Strike
fl0m4488
pashabiceps559
x6flipin433
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0134
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu304
Other Games
FrodaN2407
Beastyqt658
XaKoH 142
QueenE62
Trikslyr41
Chillindude29
MindelVK23
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 5
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix20
• Pr0nogo 2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2952
League of Legends
• Nemesis3531
• TFBlade1231
Other Games
• imaqtpie1129
• Shiphtur414
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
5h 13m
Escore
15h 13m
CrankTV Team League
16h 13m
Big Brain Bouts
21h 13m
Spirit vs sOs
GgMaChine vs Percival
Serral vs MaxPax
OSC
1d 3h
Replay Cast
1d 5h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 9h
RSL Revival
1d 14h
ByuN vs SHIN
Solar vs Lambo
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d 16h
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
2 days
Clem vs Serral
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Summer Champion…
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-07-29
SCTL 2026 Spring
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W5
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
Acropolis #5
Escore Tournament S3: W6
Escore Tournament S3: W7
Escore Tournament S3: W8
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.