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On August 05 2013 00:58 Iodem wrote:
Why don't they give hwangsin his spot? If someone fails to show up to the Ro16 due to visa or other travel issues, the 3rd place person in that Ro32 group should replace them. Walkovers are awful.
Walkovers suck but I disagree with advancing someone that came in 3rd in their group and is eliminated due to the way the point standings work.
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He should not have been allowed to participate after season one, and he should definitely be banned from WCS NA for at least next season, if not until he can prove he has cleared up his ban from entering the USA.
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On August 04 2013 23:44 tree.hugger wrote:
This should surprise nobody. Last time the US let viOlet in, he abused his visa and overstayed. He broke the law. That's their perspective and it happens to be correct. I know online we're all one big happy family, but countries take this stuff seriously. viOlet and his management really screwed up. Honestly, viOlet should probably try to switch regions, because it's going to continue to be hard/impossible for him to get into the US for years.
Your information is just plain wrong. viOlet NEVER broke any US laws during any of his stays in the United States. "Their" perspective is that even though he did not break the law, and he was well within the technical rights to stay when and as long as he did, it was still suspicious that he stayed for the lengths of times he did. The US has the right to deny anyone at their own discretion, regardless of whether a law was actually broken or not. "Right to deny anyone service" applies to them as well as US businesses. To say viOlet broke the law without any actual facts is purely speculative and damages more than it helps. Sometimes it is better to not say anything at all.
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On August 05 2013 01:09 Clbull wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 18:12 Dodgin wrote:On August 04 2013 18:08 VieuxSinge wrote:
How come he is the only Korean with visa issues? He stayed in the US illegally for a long time in 2012 and now they're not letting him back in, his manager lied and said it would all be fixed far before ro16 season 2 but well here we are. That's probably why he left AZUBU.
I think that would have more to do with AZUBU not being sponsored anymore... 
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It has been cleared countless times by Violet's management that he did NOT overstay his visa whatsoever, and was not in the US illegally at any time. To say he was, does more harm than good.
These problems WILL continue to happen to all your favorite players, even with the best management in the world..if we simply choose to ignore it and blame the player for things like this happening.
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Sucks for them. Im from Finland and im going US soon for 9days and I dont even need VISA....
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On August 05 2013 01:27 Shellshock1122 wrote:
just change region
Can't do it until 2014. Why he didn't change after getting his visa denied for Season 1, I have no idea.
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Why do they keep letting him take up spots in WCS NA? Maybe he should play in WCS KR instead of trying to take the easy way in WCS AM. I have no sympathy for him.
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On August 05 2013 01:20 zaxx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 23:44 tree.hugger wrote:
This should surprise nobody. Last time the US let viOlet in, he abused his visa and overstayed. He broke the law. That's their perspective and it happens to be correct. I know online we're all one big happy family, but countries take this stuff seriously. viOlet and his management really screwed up. Honestly, viOlet should probably try to switch regions, because it's going to continue to be hard/impossible for him to get into the US for years. Your information is just plain wrong. viOlet NEVER broke any US laws during any of his stays in the United States. "Their" perspective is that even though he did not break the law, and he was well within the technical rights to stay when and as long as he did, it was still suspicious that he stayed for the lengths of times he did. The US has the right to deny anyone at their own discretion, regardless of whether a law was actually broken or not. "Right to deny anyone service" applies to them as well as US businesses. To say viOlet broke the law without any actual facts is purely speculative and damages more than it helps. Sometimes it is better to not say anything at all.
No, he overstayed.
I remember thinking when he was living here, "How is he staying here so long on what's probably a visa-waiver that he used to get in?". I thought he might have signed up for an educational program and changed his status, but he hadn't. His rights were to stay in the US for 3 months. He stayed far longer than that. When you overstay your status, it becomes extremely difficult to get back in the country once you leave, which is what happened to him.
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Again? Man, this is getting annoying. I'm still cheering for viOLet though!
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to be fair to blizzard, i doubt they were completely aware of how serious/hopeless violet's visa situation is.
i think the bigger issue is that this whole open region system is proving to be more of a nuisance rather than an asset.
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On August 05 2013 01:56 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2013 01:20 zaxx wrote:On August 04 2013 23:44 tree.hugger wrote:
This should surprise nobody. Last time the US let viOlet in, he abused his visa and overstayed. He broke the law. That's their perspective and it happens to be correct. I know online we're all one big happy family, but countries take this stuff seriously. viOlet and his management really screwed up. Honestly, viOlet should probably try to switch regions, because it's going to continue to be hard/impossible for him to get into the US for years. Your information is just plain wrong. viOlet NEVER broke any US laws during any of his stays in the United States. "Their" perspective is that even though he did not break the law, and he was well within the technical rights to stay when and as long as he did, it was still suspicious that he stayed for the lengths of times he did. The US has the right to deny anyone at their own discretion, regardless of whether a law was actually broken or not. "Right to deny anyone service" applies to them as well as US businesses. To say viOlet broke the law without any actual facts is purely speculative and damages more than it helps. Sometimes it is better to not say anything at all. No, he overstayed. I remember thinking when he was living here, "How is he staying here so long on what's probably a visa-waiver that he used to get in?". I thought he might have signed up for an educational program and changed his status, but he hadn't. His rights were to stay in the US for 3 months. He stayed far longer than that. When you overstay your status, it becomes extremely difficult to get back in the country once you leave, which is what happened to him.
What first hand knowledge or facts of the situation do you know? He stayed on an ESTA waiver, which allows you to stay for 3 months at a time (you are correct there). However, the time resets when you leave the country for a certain amount of time. If you do your homework, you will realize that he always had a foreign (European or otherwise) event that reset the waiver to 90 days. Going to those events for that 5-7 days allowed him to come back to the USA and stay for a brand new 90 days before resetting the waiver again. In accordance to the laws and permissions granted to the ESTA, he was within his rights to stay the lengths of time he did.
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personally speaking, the responsibility should have gone to violet or violet's managers to act professionally rather than try and unreasonably hope that the issue would be resolved in a timely manner.
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On August 05 2013 01:28 KeyHunt wrote:
These problems WILL continue to happen to all your favorite players, even with the best management in the world..if we simply choose to ignore it and blame the player for things like this happening.
But this issue is Violet's fault. How do I know? Because Violet himself says it his fault on Facebook. Also CSN Andrew (his manager) also said on Reddit that it is his and Violet's full responsibility for Violet failing to obtain the Visa. So obviously Violet is to blame for this issue, as he himself admits it.
Violet has been denied a Visa into the USA for almost 8 months now. The only fault that WCS have is allowing Violet to participate in WCS NA given that situation.
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On August 05 2013 02:05 Gamegene wrote:
personally speaking, the responsibility should have gone to violet or violet's managers to act professionally rather than try and unreasonably hope that the issue would be resolved in a timely manner.
That's very non-specific.
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On August 05 2013 02:04 zaxx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2013 01:56 sitromit wrote:On August 05 2013 01:20 zaxx wrote:On August 04 2013 23:44 tree.hugger wrote:
This should surprise nobody. Last time the US let viOlet in, he abused his visa and overstayed. He broke the law. That's their perspective and it happens to be correct. I know online we're all one big happy family, but countries take this stuff seriously. viOlet and his management really screwed up. Honestly, viOlet should probably try to switch regions, because it's going to continue to be hard/impossible for him to get into the US for years. Your information is just plain wrong. viOlet NEVER broke any US laws during any of his stays in the United States. "Their" perspective is that even though he did not break the law, and he was well within the technical rights to stay when and as long as he did, it was still suspicious that he stayed for the lengths of times he did. The US has the right to deny anyone at their own discretion, regardless of whether a law was actually broken or not. "Right to deny anyone service" applies to them as well as US businesses. To say viOlet broke the law without any actual facts is purely speculative and damages more than it helps. Sometimes it is better to not say anything at all. No, he overstayed. I remember thinking when he was living here, "How is he staying here so long on what's probably a visa-waiver that he used to get in?". I thought he might have signed up for an educational program and changed his status, but he hadn't. His rights were to stay in the US for 3 months. He stayed far longer than that. When you overstay your status, it becomes extremely difficult to get back in the country once you leave, which is what happened to him. What first hand knowledge or facts of the situation do you know? He stayed on an ESTA waiver, which allows you to stay for 3 months at a time (you are correct there). However, the time resets when you leave the country for a certain amount of time. If you do your homework, you will realize that he always had a foreign (European or otherwise) event that reset the waiver to 90 days. Going to those events for that 5-7 days allowed him to come back to the USA and stay for a brand new 90 days before resetting the waiver again. In accordance to the laws and permissions granted to the ESTA, he was within his rights to stay the lengths of time he did.
ESTA waivers are denied all the time, even ones previously issued without problem. I am curious though, where are you getting the information that ESTA waivers renew indefinitely when one leaves the US? I'm almost certain that this is not true.
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I would like to know where all these people who claim that violet overstayed his visa are getting this information from (dodgin, wax, treehugger, others). If that is true, then yes it is poor planning from management/violet. However, I have seen no evidence other than speculation based on how long he was here and what you assume his past visas were for....ie if it is speculation stop saying it like it is a fact, because it's not.
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They need to have it in the rules for WCS (and have needed it in GSL for ages it's a joke that they haven't added it) that if someone forfeits the group changes to a 3player group with round robin format. Keeping the same format and giving walkovers is so ridiculous dumb.
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T_T Early June?? D: That's so long!
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EPT
