EPTWho is scum Acro?
What do you mean we have bigger fish to fry?
Im thinking Hapa is my strongest with Alderan close behind.
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
Who is scum Acro? What do you mean we have bigger fish to fry? Im thinking Hapa is my strongest with Alderan close behind. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17727 Posts
On February 27 2013 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Huh, Who is scum Acro? What do you mean we have bigger fish to fry? Im thinking Hapa is my strongest with Alderan close behind. I don't plan on catching the scumteam all in one go. For instance, I think Hapa looks terrible, but Hapa and Keir together doesn't make all that much sense (although a bus vote is possible, I'd have to look closer at vote timings). If Adam flips scum, it makes Thrawn look absolutely terrible, if not, then I feel Thrawn has somewhat redeemed himself from the terrible start, and on top of that, if Keir flips scum, then I don't think Thrawn is scum. Sylencia's utter refusal to give out any reads at all makes him scum unless Adam flips scum. You see where I'm going with this? Individually my reads would be Sylencia and Hapa as front runners for scum-currently-not-dueling. I am not satisfied at all with Hapa's behaviour around the lynch. I think my opinion on Sylencia is clear. He has not given a SINGLE scumread yet in the entire game. I don't agree with Cora that he should have changed his meta, because it's not nearly as easy as that. However, in NMM37 he had a read: Warbaby. He may have been completely wrong, but at least he had a read and he kept analyzing it. At mylo he actually became a bit more active and gave out some other reads. This game: 0 scumreads. | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
On February 27 2013 20:16 Acrofales wrote: I'm awake and first things first. Lets ask this again: Syl, if you think Adam and Keir are both town, who do you think is scum? At the moment, Oats to me is suspicious. He hasn't posted an original case of his own, he's mainly been using others to answer questions for him so far, and in addition being one of the major promoters of the double lynch despite seeing neither having a high chance of being scum. I have another weaker read but I'd rather wait and see what they do after tonight and see if anything transpires from it or if I'm completely wrong. On February 27 2013 20:19 Oatsmaster wrote: But keirathi hasnt done ANYTHING. I wanted to see how keirathi and Adam played the night after, apparently you didnt need to. Being dueled in a situation like this, is kinda like getting red checked when you are town. You know you are town and you would fight to not get lynched right? Apparently keirathi doesnt really care. Adam is not a loose cannon, look at Acro's previous posts. He is calm and collected in most of his games. This game however, is different. Is that difference scummy? Or not. He hasn't done anything productive, but he has posted in a way that doesn't seem likely to sound scummy. I'm not saying Adam is a loose cannon in general, but in the way he's approaching this game where he's willing to fire shots whenever without warning - I consider that a loose cannon. People can choose to play the same or differently to how they normally do. That doesn't necessarily prove anything though. If you're forced to play one type of game just because all your town games have been played that way, you'd get bored. You'd want to mix it up, whether you were scum or not. It helps you have more fun and it helps you in the future when you are scum. (tl;dr I hate metareads, they have their uses, but everyone is overusing them this game I feel) | ||
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iamperfection
United States9635 Posts
On February 27 2013 16:44 yamato77 wrote: So let me break the game down here, because I have a decent idea of what's going on. Based on the complete uselessness of both parties involved in this lynch, Adam and Keirathi, I think the likelihood of them both being town is high. Mafia in this position would be more concerned with the possibility of being lynched here, and do something about it. Neither of these players seems to be trying particularly hard to live, so by default they're probably just town. It's unfortunate that one, or perhaps both, might die in this situation, but if I had to pick one, I would pick Adam. Keirathi, I think, is the better town among the two, and could potentially be valuable to us later on if left alive. That said, at this point, it doesn't matter too much to me which one lives, because I don't think either of them is particularly useful this game. THAT said, I don't want both to die. The mere thought of a double lynch is hilariously stupid in this situation, and I don't like the idea of not choosing either of them at all. Mafia have an unprecedented ability to hide in this situation, because they don't even have to FAKE a read on a player and justify it, they can just say they think they're both worth lynching and not vote, causing a double lynch. So who is doing this? Iamperfection. I initially thought he was fairly townie, but his interest in this lynch is tremendously low. Like, I don't think he's given a read on either of these people that was longer than a sentence or deeper than "He's mafia because XX and I said so." In fact, that's basically how all of his reads have been so far, town or scum. But what is really damning, to me, is the fact that he's pushing this double lynch thing with no good logic to back it up. Acro, I can believe. Iamp is just kinda on that wagon and has pushed it without a clear motive like Acro's. If these two really are townies, like I think, then mafia is more likely to be disinterested in picking sides, and has clear motivation to want them both dead. It's the same heuristic I used to catch on to Snarfs in Nomination; mafia players don't care which townie dies, and won't spend much effort picking one. Only iamp isn't even picking one. Hilariously scummy. lol herp derp two guys not contributing........ therefore they must be town. what game you playing? adam dumped some reads after this post so at least he seems like he cares. How anyone can think kier is town at this point mind boggling. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9635 Posts
I think the mafia team has probably gotten together at this point and know they cant touch me. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
also double lynch? :D | ||
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iamperfection
United States9635 Posts
On February 27 2013 23:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol Iamp when is the last time you got mislynched? also double lynch? :D i have never been mislynched and never will | ||
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iamperfection
United States9635 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9635 Posts
On February 27 2013 16:05 Dienosore wrote: Wait, hold on... Did I read this right? Quoting this for preservation purposes. this kid is mafia by the way. quoting for preservation purposes you kidding me......... would scum oats say something like this guy is town but fuck him kill him anyways. probably not. this post looks like scum just finding something controversial and not doing anything with it. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
You did a similar thing as I recall. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17727 Posts
On February 27 2013 22:36 HiroPro wrote: Duel 1 Vote Count Adam4167 (4): yamato77, Sylencia, cDgCorazon, Dienosore Keirathi (2): thrawn2112, Hapahauli 7 votes needed to lynch. If a majority is not reached in 18 hours by 07:40 GMT (+00:00), both duelists will die. I added gonzaw and Vivax's filters in the "Important Posts" spoiler. Add Zarepath to the Keirathi side of things, he claims he's just not voting because he doesn't want a lynch before all due diligence is done. Double Lynch (3): Acro, Iamp, Oats No vote: Alderan, Snarfs Alderan: you have not taken a stance at all, except to fight VERY hard against a double lynch. Why are you so vague about who you think is scum? Snarfs: your conclusion seems to be that Keirathi needs to die. Why is your vote not where your mouth is? Regardless, the temporary conclusion is that a double lynch is going to happen. To prevent that you're going to have to convince a minimum of 2 people: people on the other candidate that they are voting the wrong way. people voting for a double lynch that the other candidate is town. Get to it. I'm happy with the outcome as it is right now. Lets see what this discussion brings us! | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 27 2013 15:03 cDgCorazon wrote: So you have a null read on him? Let's forget my meta argument for a second. Let's take a look at what he has done this game: -Lurked at multiple important points in the game (he has 13 posts when many of us have 60+) -Many of his posts are short, have no real point, and are of no value to the town -Promised scum reads but never delivered on them -Trying to fly under the radar, only brought out when someone asks for it -Sits on the middle of the fence for this lynch, showing he does not really care about the lynch It has scum written all over it. Is there anything I'm missing? The fact that you are in Australia should not have a huge impact on your ability to contribute. I've been able to have constant back and forth with Mocsta (also from Australia) in every game I've played with him. The timezones should not be an issue here. Even if you have limited time to play, you could have at least shown that you are having an interest in this scum hunt and that you should not be forced to give a read (one that's basically copying me) when one asks. You should take the initiative to look pro-town. When it comes to posts: High Quality and High Quantity= Generally Town High Quality but Low Quantity= Generally Town Low Quality but High Quantity= Scum Low Quality and Low Quantity= Scum If you are truly having a lack of time to discuss every single point, you needed to be more practice. The bolded one is what you could be doing with your limited time and what would help town. The underlined one is what you are doing, which is not helping town. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
##Vote: Keirathi I think you missed the point that I said I was also waiting to give people more time to contribute. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On February 25 2013 05:54 Keirathi wrote: Fear the 10 paces, filthy scum. I hate first post town claims. On February 26 2013 02:47 Keirathi wrote: thrawn, this is all weak as shit. iamp was your scumread and then you were possibly suspicious of Acro, and now you randomly want to have Hapa call a duel? Remember, thrawn wasn't on-board witht he "two scummy people duel" idea. He said making all those policies was pointless. So thrawn, why exactly do you want Hapa to duel? Do you think he is scum, or town? What is your ideal scenario for a duel? A strong townie vs a scum suspect? Or two scum suspects against each other?[/QUOTE] He gets on Thrawn AFTER everyone else has already. This is actually pretty late in the thread. I don't like that Keirathi's first "real" contribution is piling on top of Thrawn with everyone else and not actually contributing much, just asking Fake Interrogator Questions. On February 26 2013 10:50 Keirathi wrote: It wasn't a pointless question (and thrawn never answered it either). Thrawn came out and said "hey guys, forget all this policy stuff, its pointless. Just play!" Then, despite having no other mention of Hapa, as soon as other people start talking about him, thrawn was like "oh yea, hapa should duel tomorrow!" There's not even a read in there, since he took no stance on who *SHOULD* be dueling. It was just jumping onto thread sentiment with no thoughts towards Hapa from himself. After Thrawn again. Marv has been vocal about Thrawn's scumminess all thread, and it's basically the only thing that Keir is going after. It looks like sheeping. On February 27 2013 03:58 Keirathi wrote: I thought it was just a stupid move. Arbitrarily, I think it was scummy because he cut off all discussion about other candidates, and felt like just straight OMGUS because I was trying to get some discussion out of something I viewed as scum motivated. So was it "just a stupid move," or "scummy?" At this point everyone has declared it a very stupid move, so that's an easy sheep opinion to have, but also calling him scummy -- you either think he's scummy or stupid town. Then he had the gall to say that he dueled because I was trying to back out of a half-assed scum read? I feel like this is too emotional... phrases like "he had the gall" just seems too whiny to be substantive. And for two, what happened to his scum read of Corazon earlier on night 0? Oh right, he backed out of it because of further discussion. Hell he even went so far as to say that he wasn't a "tunnel machine" and that he pulls out of tunnels all th e time. But if I try to get some discussion about something that I view as scummy to see if I'm just being paranoid, he gets all holy roller and pulls the trigger on the duel. This isn't a case, it's whining. The situation reminds me a lot of GSL 3 (i think?). I saw something that I genuinely viewed as scummy and brought it to the thread. I took a lot of flak for it, but the difference is people were willing to discuss it with me while they were calling me scum. And as I talked it out more, and got some other perspective views, I changed my read. Why is he bringing this up? What's the motivation? He's basically saying that this is exactly like the time he was town, except only if Adam HADN'T dueled him, and if his scum read was wrong and needed to evolve. That's absolutely not a case on Adam, because in this meta reference he was wrong about his scum read, and Adam is his scum read in this case. Honestly the only connection I can see being relevant in the context of this post is the fact that he was town before. And bringing up a meta case like that, just for the sake of looking more town, in the middle of a post that is supposedly supposed to be your thoughts on Adam, seems scummy. I don't like that he doesn't make a case on Adam and is only whining about being dueled. And I also don't like that he hasn't made a case on anyone/anything else SINCE being dueled. On February 27 2013 03:48 Keirathi wrote: My reads haven't changed. I still think thrawn is likely scum because of his jumping around following thread sentiments, and I still see possible scum motivation in the Adam thing that I was trying to talk about. I'll write up some more later this evening when I get home, but I don't think an hour is enough time right now. It's been a night and he hasn't posted his reads. It's convenient that NONE of his reads have changed... but he didn't even HAVE reads on anybody other than those two people. Sure he still thinks what he thought about them, but he literally hasn't thought ANYTHING about anybody else, and hasn't even bothered to think ANYTHING since? On February 26 2013 16:03 Keirathi wrote: I'd appreciate it if someone could look at my points about Adam and give some comments other than "lol bad". Wanted people to talk about Adam, really wanted it bad. On February 26 2013 14:49 Keirathi wrote: I would be fine dueling thrawn. Why would town be fine with dueling? It's not like Keirathi even had a great case on Thrawn. Although, at the same time, why would scum be fine with dueling? Like others have said, NOT wanting to duel looks worse if you're scum. I don't know how to read this, but it's a very clear statement of intent for somebody whose ONLY read has been Thrawn, and hasn't even built a real strong case on him. ##Vote Keirathi Adam isn't scum. I just don't see the scum motivation for what he did at all. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17727 Posts
My gut is still telling me that Dieno is a town lynchbait. I have a hard time placing a scum motive in anything he has said. His thought process seems transparent. But Acro, his reads make no sense. They didn't make sense in CT either. He started with a scumread on Djodref and GK for exceedingly strange reasons + Show Spoiler [CT, with dino pic!] + On November 21 2012 17:34 Dienosore wrote: In an effort to gain your trust so that I can become the first leader, I have two solid scum reads that I feel need to be shared. Djodref: Supports sandroba, though he (weakly) nominated himself. Wants Clarity and Lamp on his team. Has asked a few times to different people what their reads are. Maybe mining for info? Said "I don't think it would be fair for the scum team not being able to kill the party members" Also, put out a hit on a town marv and town Hapa for being dangerous to the mafia. I'd say 80% sure he is scum goodkarma: Seems to be in favor of Sandroba for pres, even though he nominated himself for it. wants sandroba and promethelax on his team. Put emphasis on finding townies, not scummies, which could mean he is scum. Asked questions that feel as if they come from mafia perspective (dealing with towny death and kill immunity). Attacks back at Keirathi after he explains that we dont know HOW the scum kills by saying "scum must be able to remove it somehow" Uses distancing language "town" when talking about possible medics. I'm 70% sure he is scum. Seems to be town hunting. ![[image loading]](http://i49.tinypic.com/20zd73t.png) I even asked him if he was a BillMurray smurf at the time. As for the post you quoted, he explicitly stated Oats was on his watch-list. I don't mind him pointing out that he found that post scummy without following up, because focus is on Keir and Adam at the moment. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
I'm still way against having both of them die because having them both flip town would set us back by a giant margin. It's really Adam's fault for giving us this crappy option when it comes to the lynch, and if they both are town at least I sent a message that I'm not going to accept stupid town play. So thank you Adam. If you die because of your stupid decision you will know next time that heroes aren't welcome here. Check your cape at the door. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On February 28 2013 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Wait, Cora so what do you think about Adam saying that he would do it again? Do you think that scum would EVER say that??? | ||
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