This Town Ain't Big Enough Mafia - Page 52

On February 28 2013 00:41 Snarfs wrote:
Acro, I think you making guesses at who's 3rd party when we don't have evidence of a third party is not smart.

On February 26 2013 21:49 Adam4167 wrote:
LOL YEP, that quote looks quite bad.

I really wish I was scum, it'd make post-game far more bearable.

On February 26 2013 21:15 Adam4167 wrote:


Well, I am town and you can call me whatever names you please, I give not a shit.

I cant even promise that this wont happen again if I survive this cycle.

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On February 28 2013 00:54 Acrofales wrote:

Then explain to me the town motivation for knowing what you did is anti-town:


Yet being completely and utterly willing to do it again:


Given the rest of his play, I cannot reconcile a scum mindset. Given this play I cannot reconcile a town mindset. That leaves 3P with a wincon requiring him to win X duels, participate in X duels or something. This wincon would also explain how he got all triggerhappy and jumped in before Thrawn could: he needs to get those duels done.

Is it a bulletproof case? No. He could be a townie being a stupid, egotistical, twat. However, I have no evidence from any previous games ever that Adam is a stupid, egotistical, twat (and I've played in like 4 games with him). So I'll go with something that is consistent of what I know about Adam, the player: he has some funky wincon we don't know about that will force him to disrupt this town again and again.

Anyway, answer me this: what exactly would you need as "evidence" of a 3rd party? In a game where scum numbers are unknown, scum kp is unknown and the presence of 3P is explicitly made possible in the town wincon?

On February 28 2013 00:53 zarepath wrote:


Do you think that scum would EVER say that???

On February 27 2013 23:47 Acrofales wrote:
Time for some math:



Add Zarepath to the Keirathi side of things, he claims he's just not voting because he doesn't want a lynch before all due diligence is done.

Double Lynch (3): Acro, Iamp, Oats

No vote: Alderan, Snarfs

Alderan: you have not taken a stance at all, except to fight VERY hard against a double lynch. Why are you so vague about who you think is scum?

Snarfs: your conclusion seems to be that Keirathi needs to die. Why is your vote not where your mouth is?

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Regardless, the temporary conclusion is that a double lynch is going to happen. To prevent that you're going to have to convince a minimum of 2 people:

people on the other candidate that they are voting the wrong way.
people voting for a double lynch that the other candidate is town.

Get to it. I'm happy with the outcome as it is right now. Lets see what this discussion brings us!

On February 28 2013 00:58 Snarfs wrote:

I would take more than one kill at night as a starting point.

On February 28 2013 00:59 Acrofales wrote:

He has stated, in no uncertain terms, that he KNOWS it was horribly anti-town. Why would a townie EVER say that?

On February 28 2013 01:03 zarepath wrote:
Alderan, will you vote for Keirathi then? Adam looks more town than Keirathi does.

On February 28 2013 01:05 Alderan wrote:


A townie would say that, scum wouldn't.

On February 28 2013 00:59 Acrofales wrote:

He has stated, in no uncertain terms, that he KNOWS it was horribly anti-town. Why would a townie EVER say that?

On February 28 2013 01:07 Alderan wrote:


I will vote for whoever my vote would kill.

On the one hand if we kill Adam we set a precedent that early out of line duels make you appear more scummy and thus people won't want to do them.

But then on the other hand Adam's reads have been better than Keirathi's imo.

Again, number one goal is that they both don't die.

On February 28 2013 01:07 Acrofales wrote:

A townie would say "What I did was anti-town, but I will do it again without hesitation"?

Anyway, this seems to imply you have a town read on Adam, yet are completely happy lynching him and are just waiting to hammer whoever is hammerable. Explain your town read on Keirathi, or die next cycle.

On February 28 2013 01:14 zarepath wrote:
EBWOP: Forgot that Alderan is voting for nobody right now. I still think he should vote Keirathi.

On February 28 2013 01:10 zarepath wrote:


I can't find that statement anywhere... I found a statement where he suggests people will give him a hard time post-game.

I find scum rarely do this, as they would rather just pounce on the person without actually giving them a chance to explain their behaviour, just in case the person has a reason for what they're doing, then the scum has to go find someone else to fabricate a case on. This is fake-able as scum, yes, but giving people a chance to explain themselves makes your job much harder.

On February 28 2013 01:19 Acrofales wrote:

Which means he knows he did something wrong, doesn't it? Now what did he do wrong? Well, that's in the post he quotes (quoted by me, and I quoted it from CT):


This means he knows it was wrong. AKA anti-town.

And yet, he is unrepentant and warns that he will do it again.

On February 28 2013 01:16 Alderan wrote:


I don't know who you think you are taking on the leader of the town position, because your play thus far has been so anti town it's ridiculous.

First off, I believe he's entirely too disinterested to be playing scum. It's always been my experience that scum early game are usually deliberate, you don't see a lot of afk time from when they are under pressure because it's easy enough to get your scum mates to write a couple responses you can just throw up. Just wreaks of a townie that's given up.

On the other hand he has offered absolutely nothing in the way of analysis, which is exactly why I said I would rather Adam live. It's not a complicated situation, I have townish reads on both, thus don't want both to die, if I had to chose it'd be Keirathi. The fact that we can't even choose who we want to kill because you've muddied up the waters so much with the fucking double lynch talk is absolutely asinine.