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On February 28 2013 01:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Iamp, why is adam a 3p? I see know way kier can be town and acro is completely right about adams actions. They where so stupid and adam knows it the 3p argument makes a lot of sense.
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On February 28 2013 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah ok your only reason is that he would do it again.
What if I told you that maybe he was joking, that he didnt mean it? Do you know how suspicious that looks? He couldve just acted all apologetic but no, he didnt. What does this mean? That he is a stupid townie probably.
Haha, look, I'm laughing:
On February 27 2013 12:29 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 12:24 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2013 12:20 Adam4167 wrote:On February 27 2013 12:18 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2013 12:03 Adam4167 wrote:On February 27 2013 11:57 Dienosore wrote:On February 27 2013 11:45 thrawn2112 wrote: dienosoe let's walk though that summary of kei's play
Here are your main points about keir, taken from that bottom paragraph:
"Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile"
"The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn"
"Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything."
Those things are not suspicious? wtf
They are only suspect because of how boring and mundane they are. It either means he is scum trying to blend in or is just a low impact towny. Right now, because of my read on Adam and the assumption that scum wont duel themselves so early in the game, I'm left with the conclusion that Keir is town. So by your logic, a scum Adam, that was under zero pressure, not in danger of being lynched at all, decides to call a duel on a semi-lurker and put himself up for a lynch as a result? When my alternative, as scum, would have been to sit back and let everyone else go at it and stay out of the limelight. Think about why I am doing this and what my alternatives were. There's only one smart answer and a stack of dumb ones. I've said it a dozen times now. I'll ask again: are you 3rd party? No. Then why can you not promise you won't pull such a stunt again? On February 26 2013 21:15 Adam4167 wrote:On February 26 2013 19:23 Acrofales wrote:
Adam: if you're town, you're a selfish douche who is not playing in town's best interest. I will reevaluate you, but I really feel like policy lynching you for playing like this. I will now fight my instincts, because I don't think policy lyncing idiots is a good idea, but that's the way I feel right now. Well, I am town and you can call me whatever names you please, I give not a shit. I cant even promise that this wont happen again if I survive this cycle. <snip> You have owned up to it being an anti-town move already. If you know that, why are you not able to promise you won't do it again? Because I don't have faith in the 'lets force two other people to duel' policy. Are we really going to go through all this again?
But more importantly, if that's what you think, why are you double-lynching?
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On February 28 2013 01:55 Acrofales wrote: I had said about 5 times that I thought Adam was 3P, yet you didn't read it. Are you sure you're town?
I didn't seriously think that you were willing to lynch based on that possibility.
And if I don't seem super town to you, perhaps I'm a 4P...
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On February 28 2013 01:58 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 01:51 Acrofales wrote: His playstyle makes no sense as either alignment. People don't play with labels on their heads reading "SCUM" or "TOWN," and they do not always play optimally or ideally, especially in weird formats like this one. I don't think you can declare someone 3P just because they don't play exactly according to your definition of what an ideal town or scum would do. adam isnt stupid he can make a lot of sense when he wants to. 3p fits his actions a lot.
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On February 28 2013 01:55 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 01:49 zarepath wrote: Adam MAY be an evil 3P, and that's based on speculation. I'm not entirely against mentioning the possibility, but potentially mislynching two townies Day 1, the day we have the least amount of information, BASED on the possibility of a third party when the OP doesn't even mention any specific third party roles, is idiotic.
Do you know what's even more idiotic? Complaining about how awful Adam's early duel was, how much info/work it lost for town, etc., and then declaring a policy duel against anybody who asks you for your reads. That makes you just as anti-town as Adam if you were to fulfill that -- that would be two days in a row that town is robbed of deciding, together, who needs to be up for lynch. You think town can survive that? That's a HORRIBLE policy, and it's honestly just as bad as your horrible double-lynch. Nowhere do I say I will duel them the second I can. Anyway, you know how townies can avoid getting policy lynched? By doing what townies should do and reading the thread. You realize that not reading the thread is a sign you are not trying to figure the game out? Guess who isn't trying to figure the game out? Yeah, that's right! ScumI had said about 5 times that I thought Adam was 3P, yet you didn't read it. Are you sure you're town?
Stop fucking theory crafting about some bull shit 3rd party at the expense of the town.
Thrawn that was absolutely the scummiest thing that has been posted in this game.
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if we kill adam too, nobody will dare to shoot early from now on
his desire to duel seems to have some sort of win-con type motivation. it's not like he and keir were really going at each other at the time. keir was not pushing adam veyy hard. adam volunteered to duel keir in my place... way before enough people had commented on the original idea of thrawn vs keir
if you look at the circumstances, the motivation for a townie to do what he did doesn't seem to be there.
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##Vote: Keirathi.
How stupid of adam is that to post if he was not town. Utterly pointless. As town, he is pissed off at the way his duel has been basically said as bad.
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Thrawn, but that is just speculation that he is a 3P. You are basing your read on an IMAGINARY role that is not confirmed, and you are willing to potentially mislynch TWO townies for it.
Thrawn, you've called Keirathi scummy, Adam scummy, and suddenly you agree with this 3P theory that you haven't commented at all on previously, just conveniently in time to prevent a Keirathi single lynch and in time to clinch a double-lynch. This looks really bad for you, and I cannot see the town motivation for double lynching on a day when town didn't even get to pick who went up for lynch and there is virtually no possibility that they are both scum.
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On February 28 2013 02:02 thrawn2112 wrote: if we kill adam too, nobody will dare to shoot early from now on
Policy is a horrible reason to potentially mislynch twice on Day 1
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On February 28 2013 02:02 thrawn2112 wrote: his desire to duel seems to have some sort of win-con type motivation.
Sorry to clutter the thread, but I keep finding things like this.
EVERY action from ANY player has some sort of win-con type motivation -- everyone is trying to win.
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conquer your fears and double lynch
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Conquer your stupidity and KISS?
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On February 28 2013 01:58 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 01:44 Acrofales wrote:Oh, dafuq. What is it with you people and your lack of reading comprehensionAdam is an evil 3P who cares jack shit about the wellbeing of this town Keirathi is evil scum who needs to die Both must die. I will duel the next person who asks for my reads on adam and keir, because I hereby declare a policy lynch on people not reading the thread. Acro, if adam is an evil 3P who doesnt care about town, why did he duel scum and not scummy looking town? Its not like he didnt have plenty of options
Scumslip? How do you know Keir is scum and not scummy looking town?
Anyway, here are some reasons to want to aim at scum:
1. 3P doesn't know who is town and who is scum. Lynching someone who looks like scum covers them either way. The duel has to be believable not completely backfire and get the dueler lynched. 2. 3P survivor types just want the game to end asap (best chance of surviving). Extra wincons may require them to delay the end of the game, but lets not speculate too much about that, and just assume). There are two ways ending the game asap: landslide scum victory and landslide town victory. Most survivors are like observers: rooting for town until town derps so much that they are unsympathetic. So why NOT duel your scumread? 3. SURVIVOR. SURVIVOR. SURVIVOR. He cannot afford to be lynched himself (nor shot at night, but in this case lynch is clearly the biggest threat). Guess what gets Adam lynched? Prematurely dueling the crap out of a townie.
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Gah school has been busier than expected. I'll have a lot of free time starting tomorrow though, so I'll have much more time to devote to the game.
First things first, I'm very comfortable with my vote on Kei right now. He keeps promising he'll return, and never returns. It doesn't look like he cares much about the town, and hanging him is the best option.
Secondly, don't fucking double-lynch.
Acro is pushing the idea that Adam is a 3rd party, and I have NO CLUE how that makes sense. Firstly, we don't even know if there's a 3rd party in this game. Secondly, 3rd party mechanics put a heavy emphasis on survival (Serial Killer, Survivor, etc), and Adam's actions do not show a survival instinct at all.
Unless Adam's win-con literally is "If you win a duel, you win the game" - his actions only make sense from a town perspective. I've already stated why several times (too attention-whorey, looks like an emotional response, etc), and I'm not willing to put all my eggs in the 3rd party basket.
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On February 28 2013 02:02 Oatsmaster wrote: ##Vote: Keirathi.
How stupid of adam is that to post if he was not town. Utterly pointless. As town, he is pissed off at the way his duel has been basically said as bad.
Answer please :D
On February 28 2013 01:44 Acrofales wrote:
Keirathi is evil scum who needs to die
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scumslip.
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Kier is like confirmed scum he doesn't care about town. Anyone fearing a double town lynch is simply wrong
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why should lynch adam
-we're in a closed 15 player setup. it's a little expected that there might be a third party. i've personally seen people lynch 3p reads and they flip 3p
-you can't be too certain that keir is scum. if keir flips town, the thread will probably waste time on adam until he eventually gets lynched at some point later on
-this is an excellent example of a time when you actually need to policy lynch just to keep games playable. imagine if this happens again? every day? you've been bitching about how shitty the lynch is, so here is you chance to put a stop to it
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Duel 1 Vote Count
Adam4167 (4): yamato77, Sylencia, cDgCorazon, Dienosore Keirathi (5): Oatsmaster, Alderan, zarepath, Hapahauli, Snarfs
7 votes needed to lynch. If a majority is not reached by 07:40 GMT (+00:00), both duelists will die.
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Actually thrawn you too, why did Adam basically claim 3P as Acro said instead of playing more like what a townie looks like?
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On February 28 2013 02:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Actually thrawn you too, why did Adam basically claim 3P as Acro said instead of playing more like what a townie looks like? Your asking impossible questions.
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