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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On February 28 2013 02:14 iamperfection wrote: Kier is like confirmed scum he doesn't care about town. Anyone fearing a double town lynch is simply wrong If you are so sure about Kier then vote for him. Doing anything else is a lack of conviction | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On February 28 2013 02:25 zarepath wrote: If you are so sure about Kier then vote for him. Doing anything else is a lack of conviction I think I will kill both thank you very much | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
'I voted for that dude cause I wanted a mislynch' He pretty much 'claimed' 3P right there. Except nobody does that. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On February 28 2013 02:17 thrawn2112 wrote: why should lynch adam 1)-we're in a closed 15 player setup. it's a little expected that there might be a third party. i've personally seen people lynch 3p reads and they flip 3p 2-you can't be too certain that keir is scum. if keir flips town, the thread will probably waste time on adam until he eventually gets lynched at some point later on 3-this is an excellent example of a time when you actually need to policy lynch just to keep games playable. imagine if this happens again? every day? you've been bitching about how shitty the lynch is, so here is you chance to put a stop to it 1) "We should lynch Adam because maybe there's a 3rd party and 3rd parties have been lynched in the past." - Not only is this irrelevant, but this makes ZERO sense. And again, a key theme of 3rd parties is a pronounced survival instinct. Where on earth is Adam's survival instinct!??! The argument for Adam being a 3rd party is that he's more emotional and more cocky than usual. Lynching him for traits that make him seem more-towny is stupid. 2) "We should lynch Adam because Kei MIGHT not flip scum." - This is playing scared, and not playing rational. And I'm sure as hell opposed to lynching a player that's exhibiting townie traits and actions just because of doubt on another player. 3) I don't justify lynching my town reads on policy. I understand the need for deterrence, but this whole fiasco with Adam almost getting lynched should be deterrence in itself for him not to do stupid things again. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On February 28 2013 02:27 Oatsmaster wrote: No, what adam did was basically saying, 'I voted for that dude cause I wanted a mislynch' He pretty much 'claimed' 3P right there. Except nobody does that. So what he is just stupid? I don't think Adam is dumb when I saw what Adam did I thought it was stupid and he is not | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Im confused, you say he isnt stupid, which means he wouldnt have openly claimed 3P if he was actually 3P right? And he isnt scum, so THEREFORE HE IS TOWN. Now go lynch Keirathi. | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17991 Posts
On February 28 2013 02:33 Oatsmaster wrote: So is Adam 3P or not? Im confused, you say he isnt stupid, which means he wouldnt have openly claimed 3P if he was actually 3P right? And he isnt scum, so THEREFORE HE IS TOWN. Now go lynch Keirathi. Why would he openly claim 3P? Do you know how often claimed 3P get lynched? Almost all the time. Just look at Bastard 2: we could have lynched scum and won the game, yet we were afraid of being wrong, did the math and lynched the third party just to be absolutely sure the scum wasn't fooling around as a 3P. Look, I'm not 100% sure Adam is 3P, but it is by far the best explanation I can think of for the way he's playing. Adam is not stupid or egotistical when town (or as scum, btw). So what could possibly make him act in a stupid, egotistical manner? Some wincon that requires that. And if Adam has, for some reason, decided to act like a stupid, egotistical, twat as town, I have absolutely no qualms lynching him for that either. Townies put what they believe is best for town first. Adam is not doing that. His initial reaction was "I dueled to stroke my ego" and every explanation of his behaviour has confirmed that he knows he was not helping town with that action. So yeah. Take from that what you will. I'll believe Adam is inherently not a stupid egotistical twat and his wincon is compelling him to act that way, but that's just me seeing the good in people  | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On February 28 2013 02:12 Acrofales wrote: Scumslip? How do you know Keir is scum and not scummy looking town? Anyway, here are some reasons to want to aim at scum: 1. 3P doesn't know who is town and who is scum. Lynching someone who looks like scum covers them either way. The duel has to be believable not completely backfire and get the dueler lynched. 2. 3P survivor types just want the game to end asap (best chance of surviving). Extra wincons may require them to delay the end of the game, but lets not speculate too much about that, and just assume). There are two ways ending the game asap: landslide scum victory and landslide town victory. Most survivors are like observers: rooting for town until town derps so much that they are unsympathetic. So why NOT duel your scumread? 3. SURVIVOR. SURVIVOR. SURVIVOR. He cannot afford to be lynched himself (nor shot at night, but in this case lynch is clearly the biggest threat). Guess what gets Adam lynched? Prematurely dueling the crap out of a townie. You mentioned earlier that Adam's persona doesn't make sense for his mafia and town metas. While I understand he's acting differently, how the hell does his actions make sense for a survivor? I'd expect a great deal more timidity from him. In addition, the risk/reward of his duel makes no sense if his goal is survival-oriented. Like does this sound like something a survivor would post? On February 26 2013 21:15 Adam4167 wrote: Well, I am town and you can call me whatever names you please, I give not a shit. I cant even promise that this wont happen again if I survive this cycle. ... | ||
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Hapahauli
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On February 28 2013 03:04 thrawn2112 wrote: i wanna know what keir and adam think about a double lynch I'm sure they'll be all for it. -_- | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17991 Posts
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17991 Posts
On February 28 2013 03:20 zarepath wrote: Acro, you're not being persuasive of your argument, you're being defensive. If you really want the double-lynch you need to persuade us, not tell people "eh, go read my filter." No I don't. We're cruising for a double lynch. I don't need to persuade anybody at the moment. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17991 Posts
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
And they are in a win win situation. Two town deaths: "Oh well they played so bad, blame them, fucking noobs" One town, One scum: "SEE, SEE WE TOLD YOU, WE'RE ALL TOWN" I just don't see any evidence that someone can have as vanilla townie that suggest either are scum. Useless? Of course. Scum? I just don't see it. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On February 28 2013 03:38 Alderan wrote: God this is setting up so perfectly for scum to push double lynch. They're able to do what Thrawn did and just switch at any time, or do what Dieno is doing and say,"welll..... I don't really know, nor do I plan on contributing so Im gonna put a vote on the one with the least and hope for the best." And they are in a win win situation. Two town deaths: "Oh well they played so bad, blame them, fucking noobs" One town, One scum: "SEE, SEE WE TOLD YOU, WE'RE ALL TOWN" I just don't see any evidence that someone can have as vanilla townie that suggest either are scum. Useless? Of course. Scum? I just don't see it. maybe if you have something you want to say you should just say it. who is the scum then? | ||
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