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I think a lot of people are just over thinking this. This is a simple statement that 4 players from TSL, with their consent, decided to become free agents through eSF. It's a simple piece of information that you may or may not find it useful. What is there to discuss?
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This is actually pretty great to see, hope these guys end up on another ESF team or a good foreign team!
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On January 08 2013 12:36 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 12:33 vthree wrote:On January 08 2013 12:28 StarStruck wrote:On January 08 2013 12:23 vthree wrote:On January 08 2013 12:18 StarStruck wrote:On January 08 2013 12:10 BigKahunaBurger wrote:On January 08 2013 12:04 StarStruck wrote:On January 08 2013 12:02 BigKahunaBurger wrote:On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.
This is clearly a power stunt. Yeah, Composing emails to every foreign team in the world that could possibly want to sponsor or pick up a player. Boy, wouldn't that be convenient. I have to agree with Josh when I say some things are better to be kept behind closed doors. ESF are flaunting their position. Literally the only argument against making it public that has been argued in this thread is that it makes them look like they're showing off. So what? They did a good thing. They're allowed to be proud of you know, helping professional gamers. Its their duty.. Whereas the positives include a show of goodwill towards the online community, greater communication and transparency between foreign and korean bases and more opportunities for korean players to get employed by advertising them on a popular SC2 site. Stop being so negative. Some of you have this ridiculous notion in your head that everything in the business needs to be transparent when in fact it's none of our bloody business. On paper this is an open block. All they did was lock up these players from being picked up by the KeSPA teams as they could have. It limits their opportunities but it looks like they're willing to accept it. And some of you have this ridiculous notion that the ONLY reason eSF is doing this is to block Kespa teams. It is not like posting here gives them the legal rights to the players. I am sure players like HyuN/Symbol (ex BW pros) have plenty of Kespa contacts if that is the way they want to go. No, and not ALL things need to be transparent. However, if there were to email this to ALL the foreigner teams, it pretty much becomes public domain anyways, does it not? Look what happened to ex-OGS players and ApeX. Do we really want a repeat of that? I said there's a possibility. Don't put words in my mouth and no it doesn't because emails are private lol. When you share it with everyone else, that's when it becomes public. " On paper this is an open block. All they did was lock up these players from being picked up by the KeSPA teams as they could have. " I am putting words in your mouth? Please read what you wrote. Yes, and things like player deals before getting finalized (private dealings) NEVER get leaked, right? If a player dealing with 2-3 teams can get leaked. What do you think if they sent an email to the 30+ foreign teams? No that's the worst case scenario. I wouldn't send an e-shot to every team in the first place. I would ask each player for a list of teams they're interested in and go from there. There's a lot of bullshit teams out there and you want them to contact some of your favorites? Hell no man.
First of all, you didn't say it was the worse case scenario. You just stated that it was an open block on Kespa. Considering at least 2 of the players on the list are ex Kespa pros, it made no sense at all. As for asking each player for their teams they are interested in, I am not sure how much the Korean pros knows about the foreign scene. HyuN and Symbol probably know more since they have been to foreign events and such. But what about someone like Center? Sure, he could talk to other players but I doubt he would have enough info to know which team he wanted to join.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On January 08 2013 12:36 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 12:33 vthree wrote:On January 08 2013 12:28 StarStruck wrote:On January 08 2013 12:23 vthree wrote:On January 08 2013 12:18 StarStruck wrote:On January 08 2013 12:10 BigKahunaBurger wrote:On January 08 2013 12:04 StarStruck wrote:On January 08 2013 12:02 BigKahunaBurger wrote:On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.
This is clearly a power stunt. Yeah, Composing emails to every foreign team in the world that could possibly want to sponsor or pick up a player. Boy, wouldn't that be convenient. I have to agree with Josh when I say some things are better to be kept behind closed doors. ESF are flaunting their position. Literally the only argument against making it public that has been argued in this thread is that it makes them look like they're showing off. So what? They did a good thing. They're allowed to be proud of you know, helping professional gamers. Its their duty.. Whereas the positives include a show of goodwill towards the online community, greater communication and transparency between foreign and korean bases and more opportunities for korean players to get employed by advertising them on a popular SC2 site. Stop being so negative. Some of you have this ridiculous notion in your head that everything in the business needs to be transparent when in fact it's none of our bloody business. On paper this is an open block. All they did was lock up these players from being picked up by the KeSPA teams as they could have. It limits their opportunities but it looks like they're willing to accept it. And some of you have this ridiculous notion that the ONLY reason eSF is doing this is to block Kespa teams. It is not like posting here gives them the legal rights to the players. I am sure players like HyuN/Symbol (ex BW pros) have plenty of Kespa contacts if that is the way they want to go. No, and not ALL things need to be transparent. However, if there were to email this to ALL the foreigner teams, it pretty much becomes public domain anyways, does it not? Look what happened to ex-OGS players and ApeX. Do we really want a repeat of that? I said there's a possibility. Don't put words in my mouth and no it doesn't because emails are private lol. When you share it with everyone else, that's when it becomes public. " On paper this is an open block. All they did was lock up these players from being picked up by the KeSPA teams as they could have. " I am putting words in your mouth? Please read what you wrote. Yes, and things like player deals before getting finalized (private dealings) NEVER get leaked, right? If a player dealing with 2-3 teams can get leaked. What do you think if they sent an email to the 30+ foreign teams? No that's the worst case scenario. I wouldn't send an e-shot to every team in the first place. I would ask each player for a list of teams they're interested in and go from there. There's a lot of bullshit teams out there and you want them to contact some of your favorites? Hell no man. I wouldn't let a player get screwed over when I'm acting as their agent.
Stop being silly bro
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On January 08 2013 12:42 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 12:36 StarStruck wrote:On January 08 2013 12:33 vthree wrote:On January 08 2013 12:28 StarStruck wrote:On January 08 2013 12:23 vthree wrote:On January 08 2013 12:18 StarStruck wrote:On January 08 2013 12:10 BigKahunaBurger wrote:On January 08 2013 12:04 StarStruck wrote:On January 08 2013 12:02 BigKahunaBurger wrote:On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.
This is clearly a power stunt. Yeah, Composing emails to every foreign team in the world that could possibly want to sponsor or pick up a player. Boy, wouldn't that be convenient. I have to agree with Josh when I say some things are better to be kept behind closed doors. ESF are flaunting their position. Literally the only argument against making it public that has been argued in this thread is that it makes them look like they're showing off. So what? They did a good thing. They're allowed to be proud of you know, helping professional gamers. Its their duty.. Whereas the positives include a show of goodwill towards the online community, greater communication and transparency between foreign and korean bases and more opportunities for korean players to get employed by advertising them on a popular SC2 site. Stop being so negative. Some of you have this ridiculous notion in your head that everything in the business needs to be transparent when in fact it's none of our bloody business. On paper this is an open block. All they did was lock up these players from being picked up by the KeSPA teams as they could have. It limits their opportunities but it looks like they're willing to accept it. And some of you have this ridiculous notion that the ONLY reason eSF is doing this is to block Kespa teams. It is not like posting here gives them the legal rights to the players. I am sure players like HyuN/Symbol (ex BW pros) have plenty of Kespa contacts if that is the way they want to go. No, and not ALL things need to be transparent. However, if there were to email this to ALL the foreigner teams, it pretty much becomes public domain anyways, does it not? Look what happened to ex-OGS players and ApeX. Do we really want a repeat of that? I said there's a possibility. Don't put words in my mouth and no it doesn't because emails are private lol. When you share it with everyone else, that's when it becomes public. " On paper this is an open block. All they did was lock up these players from being picked up by the KeSPA teams as they could have. " I am putting words in your mouth? Please read what you wrote. Yes, and things like player deals before getting finalized (private dealings) NEVER get leaked, right? If a player dealing with 2-3 teams can get leaked. What do you think if they sent an email to the 30+ foreign teams? No that's the worst case scenario. I wouldn't send an e-shot to every team in the first place. I would ask each player for a list of teams they're interested in and go from there. There's a lot of bullshit teams out there and you want them to contact some of your favorites? Hell no man. I wouldn't let a player get screwed over when I'm acting as their agent. Stop being silly bro
Welcome to professional sports brah.
On January 08 2013 12:41 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 12:36 StarStruck wrote:On January 08 2013 12:33 vthree wrote:On January 08 2013 12:28 StarStruck wrote:On January 08 2013 12:23 vthree wrote:On January 08 2013 12:18 StarStruck wrote:On January 08 2013 12:10 BigKahunaBurger wrote:On January 08 2013 12:04 StarStruck wrote:On January 08 2013 12:02 BigKahunaBurger wrote:On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.
This is clearly a power stunt. Yeah, Composing emails to every foreign team in the world that could possibly want to sponsor or pick up a player. Boy, wouldn't that be convenient. I have to agree with Josh when I say some things are better to be kept behind closed doors. ESF are flaunting their position. Literally the only argument against making it public that has been argued in this thread is that it makes them look like they're showing off. So what? They did a good thing. They're allowed to be proud of you know, helping professional gamers. Its their duty.. Whereas the positives include a show of goodwill towards the online community, greater communication and transparency between foreign and korean bases and more opportunities for korean players to get employed by advertising them on a popular SC2 site. Stop being so negative. Some of you have this ridiculous notion in your head that everything in the business needs to be transparent when in fact it's none of our bloody business. On paper this is an open block. All they did was lock up these players from being picked up by the KeSPA teams as they could have. It limits their opportunities but it looks like they're willing to accept it. And some of you have this ridiculous notion that the ONLY reason eSF is doing this is to block Kespa teams. It is not like posting here gives them the legal rights to the players. I am sure players like HyuN/Symbol (ex BW pros) have plenty of Kespa contacts if that is the way they want to go. No, and not ALL things need to be transparent. However, if there were to email this to ALL the foreigner teams, it pretty much becomes public domain anyways, does it not? Look what happened to ex-OGS players and ApeX. Do we really want a repeat of that? I said there's a possibility. Don't put words in my mouth and no it doesn't because emails are private lol. When you share it with everyone else, that's when it becomes public. " On paper this is an open block. All they did was lock up these players from being picked up by the KeSPA teams as they could have. " I am putting words in your mouth? Please read what you wrote. Yes, and things like player deals before getting finalized (private dealings) NEVER get leaked, right? If a player dealing with 2-3 teams can get leaked. What do you think if they sent an email to the 30+ foreign teams? No that's the worst case scenario. I wouldn't send an e-shot to every team in the first place. I would ask each player for a list of teams they're interested in and go from there. There's a lot of bullshit teams out there and you want them to contact some of your favorites? Hell no man. First of all, you didn't say it was the worse case scenario. You just stated that it was an open block on Kespa. Considering at least 2 of the players on the list are ex Kespa pros, it made no sense at all. As for asking each player for their teams they are interested in, I am not sure how much the Korean pros knows about the foreign scene. HyuN and Symbol probably know more since they have been to foreign events and such. But what about someone like Center? Sure, he could talk to other players but I doubt he would have enough info to know which team he wanted to join.
Well from my other post, I said to, "wait and see what happens" and the other note was implied off my re-quote from Josh. Players do talk and there's nothing stopping them from talking. I'm sure they can figure out which teams sound legit and which teams don't. There are a lot of teams that don't have the proper infrastructure setup and we've seen many guys already get screwed over.
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I find this post rather confusing. First they say any offer could be forwarded to players without being filtered, then they conclude that basically every teams need to go through this esf.juno dude???
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ROOThyun, you heard it here first folks!
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I think the answer you would get if you asked the players what teams they are interested in would be the same for almost all of them.
Whichever team offers the best contract with the best opportunities.
You don't actually know what that is until you get offers. As for the offers, you can't make a judgement on them if you can't understand what's in the contract or what the terms are.
Just look at what happened with Ganzi. Sometimes, the language barrier creates a lot of misunderstanding.
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Don't know much about Kespa, but they must have been pretty awful if people are this paranoid.
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On January 08 2013 12:43 Arceus wrote:
I find this post rather confusing. First they say any offer could be forwarded to players without being filtered, then they conclude that basically every teams need to go through this esf.juno dude???
You just answered your own question, you're just not understanding what is being said. ESF won't censor or hide any information from inquiring teams from the players, they will act as a screening process for the TSL players so another APEX situation doesn't happen again, where a shady team/manager can offer an enticing deal and not deliver. They, in short, are a safety net for the players, keeping the interests of the players in mind to further their pro-gaming careers in a stable environment.
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On January 08 2013 12:46 Brian333 wrote:
I think the answer you would get if you asked the players what teams they are interested in would be the same for almost all of them.
Whichever team offers the best contract with the best opportunities.
You don't actually know that is until you get offers. As for the offers, you can't make a judgement on them if you can't understand what's in the contract or what the terms are.
Just look at what happened with Ganzi. Sometimes, the language barrier creates a lot of misunderstanding.
From Arceus' post sounds like some people are already confused.
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Didnt the eSF players vote or ask Gom TV to represent them?
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United States32935 Posts
On January 08 2013 10:41 ROOTheognis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 10:39 warshop wrote:On January 08 2013 10:38 Fionn wrote:
I want to buy Hyun.
I chip-in 20$. I can chip in 10$. I'm a lil short this month =D
I'll throw in like $20.
$50 so far for Fionn.HyuN
at that rate we could sign him for a best of five!
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On January 08 2013 12:43 Arceus wrote:
I find this post rather confusing. First they say any offer could be forwarded to players without being filtered, then they conclude that basically every teams need to go through this esf.juno dude???
Well, teams might not know how to contact the players. What is HyuN's email? Do you go through twitter? Call him perhaps? This just gives the teams that are interested a centralized channel and make sure the message will get to the players.
Obvious, foreign teams that are pretty established in Korea, EG, TL, etc might not need this. But it will help out other teams.
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On January 08 2013 12:53 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 10:41 ROOTheognis wrote:On January 08 2013 10:39 warshop wrote:On January 08 2013 10:38 Fionn wrote:
I want to buy Hyun.
I chip-in 20$. I can chip in 10$. I'm a lil short this month =D I'll throw in like $20. $50 so far for Fionn.HyuN at that rate we could sign him for a best of five!
I'll chip in $500. Lets make it happen guys!
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On January 08 2013 12:53 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 10:41 ROOTheognis wrote:On January 08 2013 10:39 warshop wrote:On January 08 2013 10:38 Fionn wrote:
I want to buy Hyun.
I chip-in 20$. I can chip in 10$. I'm a lil short this month =D I'll throw in like $20. $50 so far for Fionn.HyuN at that rate we could sign him for a best of five!
Already chipped in $100 man do your research Waxy
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On January 08 2013 12:54 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 12:43 Arceus wrote:
I find this post rather confusing. First they say any offer could be forwarded to players without being filtered, then they conclude that basically every teams need to go through this esf.juno dude??? Well, teams might not know how to contact the players. What is HyuN's email? Do you go through twitter? Call him perhaps? This just gives the teams that are interested a centralized channel and make sure the message will get to the players. Obvious, foreign teams that are pretty established in Korea, EG, TL, etc might not need this. But it will help out other teams.
He's actually very easy his contact info compared to the other TSL players, so that's a bad example. The issue is having a really good translator. 
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I can put up 10, but being a .01% owner of the theoretical team that Hyun sighs with just doesn't seem that appealing to me right now, so that is all I can offer.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On January 08 2013 12:53 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 10:41 ROOTheognis wrote:On January 08 2013 10:39 warshop wrote:On January 08 2013 10:38 Fionn wrote:
I want to buy Hyun.
I chip-in 20$. I can chip in 10$. I'm a lil short this month =D I'll throw in like $20. $50 so far for Fionn.HyuN at that rate we could sign him for a best of five!
I'll go 50 if he can get invited back into IPL Fight Club.
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United States32935 Posts
On January 08 2013 12:56 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 12:53 Waxangel wrote:On January 08 2013 10:41 ROOTheognis wrote:On January 08 2013 10:39 warshop wrote:On January 08 2013 10:38 Fionn wrote:
I want to buy Hyun.
I chip-in 20$. I can chip in 10$. I'm a lil short this month =D I'll throw in like $20. $50 so far for Fionn.HyuN at that rate we could sign him for a best of five! Already chipped in $100 man do your research Waxy
yours was for liquid`hyun, this is for Fionn.HyuN
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