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Former TSL members Free Agency notice from eSF - Page 11

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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
January 08 2013 13:16 GMT
#201
Hm I hope this does what it's intended to. Could easily backfire though.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
yyz
Profile Joined January 2012
United States18 Posts
January 08 2013 13:47 GMT
#202
On January 08 2013 10:38 Fionn wrote:
I want to buy Hyun.



I have $2 I found under my couch. I'm in.
High masters Terran playing for the University of Maryland: College Park | Citius, altius, fortius.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
January 08 2013 13:56 GMT
#203
hyun will easy get a foreign team
symbol i think easy top korean team,
center SHOULD get one too because he did so well in GSL
hard for ragnarok as he is the most unknown one
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
January 08 2013 14:03 GMT
#204
I like that esf is doing this, helps avoid shady deals from unknown teams and other silly things from happening.

Also I'll help on the funding for Hyun if we can throw Symbol in there too... should be a blast.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
January 08 2013 14:11 GMT
#205
Actually I have 500€ saved up that I can spend, I would weigh in on Hyun for sure. I'd have triple that money back in no time.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
January 08 2013 14:31 GMT
#206
I don't know. I would've preferred if the eSF just offered (hidden) advice to the players, with the possibility that the player can apply for representative negotiate in his stead, instead of channeling all negotiations through them. Even if they mean no harm to the players, such a move will ultimately harm the players as it makes them less easily approachable. Teams who thought of hiring them might think twice if they have to go through eSF, especially since the majority of the people probably don't know what the eSF is (what is their structure, who makes the decisions, what are the official channels).
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
January 08 2013 14:35 GMT
#207
On January 08 2013 23:31 JustPassingBy wrote:
I don't know. I would've preferred if the eSF just offered (hidden) advice to the players, with the possibility that the player can apply for representative negotiate in his stead, instead of channeling all negotiations through them. Even if they mean no harm to the players, such a move will ultimately harm the players as it makes them less easily approachable. Teams who thought of hiring them might think twice if they have to go through eSF, especially since the majority of the people probably don't know what the eSF is (what is their structure, who makes the decisions, what are the official channels).


Isn't GOM the head of eSF now? If so it should be very easy for people to do actually since GOM has always been working with teams, other tournaments and organisations, etc. and most teams have had contact with GOM before. It could backfire but I think it's to prevent something like what happened to these ex-oGs players and so on. Just too many teams trying to quicktalk players to get them to sign bad contracts. I hope it works out well for them.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Risljaninasim
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands228 Posts
January 08 2013 14:35 GMT
#208
Axiom get on this! haha
;;
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
January 08 2013 14:42 GMT
#209
On January 08 2013 23:31 JustPassingBy wrote:
I don't know. I would've preferred if the eSF just offered (hidden) advice to the players, with the possibility that the player can apply for representative negotiate in his stead, instead of channeling all negotiations through them. Even if they mean no harm to the players, such a move will ultimately harm the players as it makes them less easily approachable. Teams who thought of hiring them might think twice if they have to go through eSF, especially since the majority of the people probably don't know what the eSF is (what is their structure, who makes the decisions, what are the official channels).

if a team doesnt know what the eSF is then they have no right trying to snag such a top player

if a team didnt go through eSF then its very likely that the palyer gets a bad contract without realising it
Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
January 08 2013 14:50 GMT
#210
I have always felt like it would be really easy to rip off Koreans if you wanted to because of the language barrier and the fact that most Koreans arent gettng paid so they have no idea what they are actually worth or whats reasonable to ask for.

I wouldnt be surprised at all if it turns out that a lot of these Koreans on foreign teams are getting paid shit compared to the foreigners.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 15:04:47
January 08 2013 15:01 GMT
#211
On January 08 2013 23:42 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 23:31 JustPassingBy wrote:
I don't know. I would've preferred if the eSF just offered (hidden) advice to the players, with the possibility that the player can apply for representative negotiate in his stead, instead of channeling all negotiations through them. Even if they mean no harm to the players, such a move will ultimately harm the players as it makes them less easily approachable. Teams who thought of hiring them might think twice if they have to go through eSF, especially since the majority of the people probably don't know what the eSF is (what is their structure, who makes the decisions, what are the official channels).

if a team doesnt know what the eSF is then they have no right trying to snag such a top player

if a team didnt go through eSF then its very likely that the palyer gets a bad contract without realising it


Well, that is certainly one opinion.

I am just saying that the eSF should not babysit the player all the time and that the players should learn a bit about something as important as contract negotiations. The best way in my opinion is a direct contact between interested team and player, with eSF offering advice to the player and possibly intervening with a representative, should the player want it (e.g. if he is a bit overextended with the whole matter)*.

edit: *and intervention should the eSF think the player is being taken advantage of, ofc.
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
January 08 2013 15:15 GMT
#212
What about the other TSL players? Did they not agree to be represented by ESL or were they signed by a Korean team before ESL made this announcement to the foreign teams?
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
January 08 2013 15:39 GMT
#213
On January 09 2013 00:15 Eufouria wrote:
What about the other TSL players? Did they not agree to be represented by ESL or were they signed by a Korean team before ESL made this announcement to the foreign teams?


I tried searching through liquipedia, couldn't find any information, I guess they are already in talks with teams and eSF is handling it? As the OP stated that all players agreed.
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
January 08 2013 15:39 GMT
#214
On January 09 2013 00:01 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 23:42 Forikorder wrote:
On January 08 2013 23:31 JustPassingBy wrote:
I don't know. I would've preferred if the eSF just offered (hidden) advice to the players, with the possibility that the player can apply for representative negotiate in his stead, instead of channeling all negotiations through them. Even if they mean no harm to the players, such a move will ultimately harm the players as it makes them less easily approachable. Teams who thought of hiring them might think twice if they have to go through eSF, especially since the majority of the people probably don't know what the eSF is (what is their structure, who makes the decisions, what are the official channels).

if a team doesnt know what the eSF is then they have no right trying to snag such a top player

if a team didnt go through eSF then its very likely that the palyer gets a bad contract without realising it


Well, that is certainly one opinion.

I am just saying that the eSF should not babysit the player all the time and that the players should learn a bit about something as important as contract negotiations. The best way in my opinion is a direct contact between interested team and player, with eSF offering advice to the player and possibly intervening with a representative, should the player want it (e.g. if he is a bit overextended with the whole matter)*.

edit: *and intervention should the eSF think the player is being taken advantage of, ofc.

i guess your jsut for the korean players getting taken advantage of and put in a terrible contract :/
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
January 08 2013 16:04 GMT
#215
On January 09 2013 00:39 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 00:01 JustPassingBy wrote:
On January 08 2013 23:42 Forikorder wrote:
On January 08 2013 23:31 JustPassingBy wrote:
I don't know. I would've preferred if the eSF just offered (hidden) advice to the players, with the possibility that the player can apply for representative negotiate in his stead, instead of channeling all negotiations through them. Even if they mean no harm to the players, such a move will ultimately harm the players as it makes them less easily approachable. Teams who thought of hiring them might think twice if they have to go through eSF, especially since the majority of the people probably don't know what the eSF is (what is their structure, who makes the decisions, what are the official channels).

if a team doesnt know what the eSF is then they have no right trying to snag such a top player

if a team didnt go through eSF then its very likely that the palyer gets a bad contract without realising it


Well, that is certainly one opinion.

I am just saying that the eSF should not babysit the player all the time and that the players should learn a bit about something as important as contract negotiations. The best way in my opinion is a direct contact between interested team and player, with eSF offering advice to the player and possibly intervening with a representative, should the player want it (e.g. if he is a bit overextended with the whole matter)*.

edit: *and intervention should the eSF think the player is being taken advantage of, ofc.

i guess your jsut for the korean players getting taken advantage of and put in a terrible contract :/


Nope, in my theoretic scenario that I proposed, I explicitly stated that I expect the eSF to intervene.
Eskiya23
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands105 Posts
January 08 2013 16:07 GMT
#216
IPL_Hyun.

Jokes aside, the ex-TSL lineup is full of GSL material, hope they find a good team.

Polt, what is on your mind ?
Wisdom. Judgement. Execution. Stream: twitch.tv/eskiyasc2 Twitter: @EskiyaSC
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 16:28:14
January 08 2013 16:25 GMT
#217
I'm with the people that believe eSF should have an advisory role, I'm not sure what "preparations with negotiations" entails, but if it's limited to advice/translations, than I'm all for it.

On January 08 2013 23:42 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 23:31 JustPassingBy wrote:
I don't know. I would've preferred if the eSF just offered (hidden) advice to the players, with the possibility that the player can apply for representative negotiate in his stead, instead of channeling all negotiations through them. Even if they mean no harm to the players, such a move will ultimately harm the players as it makes them less easily approachable. Teams who thought of hiring them might think twice if they have to go through eSF, especially since the majority of the people probably don't know what the eSF is (what is their structure, who makes the decisions, what are the official channels).

if a team doesnt know what the eSF is then they have no right trying to snag such a top player

if a team didnt go through eSF then its very likely that the palyer gets a bad contract without realising it


Wait, why is this "very likely"? Do you have no faith in the established progaming teams? I could understand people saying this about relatively new teams, and teams that have foul reputations. But most established teams know that what's best for the player often aligns with what's best for the team.
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SpurvL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden345 Posts
January 08 2013 16:29 GMT
#218
I'll chip in for Hyun aswell <3
Naniwa, ThorZaiN, SaSe, DeMusliM, White-RA... Where are my Zerg heroes?.. Stephano <3
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
January 08 2013 16:39 GMT
#219
On January 09 2013 01:07 Eskiya23 wrote:
IPL_Hyun.

Jokes aside, the ex-TSL lineup is full of GSL material, hope they find a good team.

Polt, what is on your mind ?


Polt's off to america silly
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
January 08 2013 16:59 GMT
#220
Ultimately fewer young players will be taken advantage of because of this. Way to go eSF!
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