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On January 08 2013 10:27 Black Gun wrote:roflmao, esf trying to pull off a wannabe kespa regiment.  but good luck to all of them, they deserve to be on a fine team. no matter the way they find their new team.
They flat out said what they are trying to do. Don't be ignorant. These are young kids and they are helping them out in the negotiation process.
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perhaps its to get the players a more reasonable deal as they may not have been contracted via salary before. Maybe theres been issues with lower salaries or something in contracts that has made korean signed players uncomfortable
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As far as i remember juno lee aka azshara life is the guy who helped players like genius find a tean. I also know that he tweets to jessica a lot (like feiends do).
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I have a feeling Startales will pick up Symbol or Hyun, just because they lost partinG and they need to increase their zerg lineup.
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On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.
This is clearly a power stunt.
Do you have a problem with transparency?
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On January 08 2013 15:24 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 15:13 Plexa wrote:On January 08 2013 15:08 kiy0 wrote:On January 08 2013 10:35 tiMelEfT wrote:
trying to control players so hard.
User was banned for this post. I understand that this was a unreasonable comment but, really? A ban for this? Talk about moderation  Take moderation issues to website feedback, not this thread. what's happy birthday in german, you nazi
I'm afraid to laugh at this comment.
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Considering how bad some foreign endeavors have turned out for the Korean players, I´m actually glad eSF takes responsibility to make sure their players are treated well.
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Good move either way. Sure, you can still contact the players directly so what´s the butthurt? Even if it´s a power stunt, hopefully they just work for getting a good deal for the players involved. So many shitty orgs out there who would just contact hem and try t sign them.
Hope it works out well!
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On January 08 2013 16:05 docvoc wrote:
I have a feeling Startales will pick up Symbol or Hyun, just because they lost partinG and they need to increase their zerg lineup.
PartinG was a protoss so I don't know why you would come to that conclusion.
Since they just picked up Golden i'm not so sure they're still open for business, their line up has very strong zergs at the moment.
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On January 08 2013 12:36 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 12:33 vthree wrote:On January 08 2013 12:28 StarStruck wrote:On January 08 2013 12:23 vthree wrote:On January 08 2013 12:18 StarStruck wrote:On January 08 2013 12:10 BigKahunaBurger wrote:On January 08 2013 12:04 StarStruck wrote:On January 08 2013 12:02 BigKahunaBurger wrote:On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.
This is clearly a power stunt. Yeah, Composing emails to every foreign team in the world that could possibly want to sponsor or pick up a player. Boy, wouldn't that be convenient. I have to agree with Josh when I say some things are better to be kept behind closed doors. ESF are flaunting their position. Literally the only argument against making it public that has been argued in this thread is that it makes them look like they're showing off. So what? They did a good thing. They're allowed to be proud of you know, helping professional gamers. Its their duty.. Whereas the positives include a show of goodwill towards the online community, greater communication and transparency between foreign and korean bases and more opportunities for korean players to get employed by advertising them on a popular SC2 site. Stop being so negative. Some of you have this ridiculous notion in your head that everything in the business needs to be transparent when in fact it's none of our bloody business. On paper this is an open block. All they did was lock up these players from being picked up by the KeSPA teams as they could have. It limits their opportunities but it looks like they're willing to accept it. And some of you have this ridiculous notion that the ONLY reason eSF is doing this is to block Kespa teams. It is not like posting here gives them the legal rights to the players. I am sure players like HyuN/Symbol (ex BW pros) have plenty of Kespa contacts if that is the way they want to go. No, and not ALL things need to be transparent. However, if there were to email this to ALL the foreigner teams, it pretty much becomes public domain anyways, does it not? Look what happened to ex-OGS players and ApeX. Do we really want a repeat of that? I said there's a possibility. Don't put words in my mouth and no it doesn't because emails are private lol. When you share it with everyone else, that's when it becomes public. " On paper this is an open block. All they did was lock up these players from being picked up by the KeSPA teams as they could have. " I am putting words in your mouth? Please read what you wrote. Yes, and things like player deals before getting finalized (private dealings) NEVER get leaked, right? If a player dealing with 2-3 teams can get leaked. What do you think if they sent an email to the 30+ foreign teams? No that's the worst case scenario. I wouldn't send an e-shot to every team in the first place. I would ask each player for a list of teams they're interested in and go from there. There's a lot of bullshit teams out there and you want them to contact some of your favorites? Hell no man. I wouldn't let a player get screwed over when I'm acting as their agent.
And then some shady team you've never heard of contacts your player directly anyway, and your player accepts due to money and promises. This would be a horrible way to conduct business.
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Any news on where Shine and ValuE are going? Do they already have a team or are they just not relevant enough to be on the list? (Sorry I asked earlier but got no reply, been trying to look around to get info on them and can't find anything)
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Norway25712 Posts
I think it's pretty cool that eSF are doing this. With young players that have little experience in contract negotiation when it comes to joining an eSports pro-team, it's important o have someone to help them. When there's this big of a language barrier as well, it's even more important.
Don't understand all the hate, it's like some people are hell-bent on being angry at eSF for some reason
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I find the notion of naive players being taken advantage of by lecherous teams worse than anything eSF can do, so i'm fine with this.
Ideally they'd all have independent player agents, but we're not there yet. Hopefully some day.
edit: i'm surprised its only 4 players though, and Hyun should know the ropes
shows how much attention i've been paying to TSL lately
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On January 08 2013 15:31 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 10:27 Black Gun wrote:roflmao, esf trying to pull off a wannabe kespa regiment. but good luck to all of them, they deserve to be on a fine team. no matter the way they find their new team. They flat out said what they are trying to do. Don't be ignorant. These are young kids and they are helping them out in the negotiation process.
I still don't understand what they're actually doing to help them, though.
If the offers are going to be passed on to the players "unfiltered", and players still have a final say in the matter, then there's no point to having a middle man in the first place.
If they are only there to give advice to the players, I'm sure the players themselves know enough people in the pro scene to seek advice from, or eSF people could offer that advice without officially interposing themselves between the teams making the offer and the players.
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Nice to see em looking out for their player, Hyun is da bomb
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Someone pick Hyun already.
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Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
Hmmm. I don't like the way that is done at all, seems like there basically saying, if you want to buy TSL players who have no contracts and are free agents, you must talk to ESF guys and former TSL Coaches. Smells like they want to take a peice of the $$s offered :S
Very silly way to go about it, im pretty sure they could of found teams on their own if they wanted too, especially with the amount of Koreans on foreign teams for example, they would just contact eachother over facebook/IMs/Skype etc, it doesn't need all this.
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On January 08 2013 17:41 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 15:31 mrtomjones wrote:On January 08 2013 10:27 Black Gun wrote:roflmao, esf trying to pull off a wannabe kespa regiment. but good luck to all of them, they deserve to be on a fine team. no matter the way they find their new team. They flat out said what they are trying to do. Don't be ignorant. These are young kids and they are helping them out in the negotiation process. I still don't understand what they're actually doing to help them, though. If the offers are going to be passed on to the players "unfiltered", and players still have a final say in the matter, then there's no point to having a middle man in the first place. If they are only there to give advice to the players, I'm sure the players themselves know enough people in the pro scene to seek advice from, or eSF people could offer that advice without officially interposing themselves between the teams making the offer and the players.
So you are saying if you were to sign a contract with Koreans you wouldn't want a middle man? Fuck yeah you would. You can't even understand the contract.
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