On January 08 2013 12:43 Arceus wrote: I find this post rather confusing. First they say any offer could be forwarded to players without being filtered, then they conclude that basically every teams need to go through this esf.juno dude???
Well, teams might not know how to contact the players. What is HyuN's email? Do you go through twitter? Call him perhaps? This just gives the teams that are interested a centralized channel and make sure the message will get to the players.
Obvious, foreign teams that are pretty established in Korea, EG, TL, etc might not need this. But it will help out other teams.
I was asking that, say I wanna sign Hyun, should I contact one of him/eSF OR only eSF exclusively?
It's hard to tell from OP's words but judging from the TLDR, eSF gains exclusitivity to these players' transfering.
Wasn't this the entire fucking point of the ESF? To protect player interests? ESF is run by Gom..Gom hasn't shown to have done anything shady with the ESF power so far. Why are people always trying to cause drama over something. It says right in the OP, all offers will go unfiltered. Plus, now these players will actually know what they're signing instead of having no-name teams screwing over naive Korean players that don't know better.
On January 08 2013 13:21 rj rl wrote: Fuck i love this community: - kespa says "hey if you want flash on your dreamhack you've gotta contact us first" and everyone is OMG screw you kespa y u no let players breathe free blabla; - esf says "if you want to sign one of these you've gotta contact us first" and suddenly it's OMG it's so nice, helping them young inexperienced boys to keep afloat blabla. i mean seriously the fuck is this
It is because Kespa has a bad past history with things like this.
It is similar to Flash getting hyped every time he wins a game (This is the FIRST time a terran have tech switch to BC in TvT, Flash with the meta game change!!!). The hype is because it is Flash and his previous history in BW.
We have seen many eSF --> foreigner team transfers so the experience with eSF has been better. Not saying eSF is flawless (Slayers incident) but the 'trust' level is slightly higher.
I'd say both organizations have things against them, lol. There were a number of incidents and who's to say it won't happen again? Flash not being able to go to DH is a totally different scenario, so I don't know why he brought it up at all.
i dont remember the ESF doing as many shady douche moves as KeSPA though KeSPA were complete hard asses who wanted nothing more then complete control over everything and to show just how much control they had
ESF has been pretty civil and friendly
I was asking that, say I wanna sign Hyun, should I contact one of him/eSF OR only eSF exclusively?
It's hard to tell from OP's words but judging from the TLDR, eSF gains exclusitivity to these players' transfering.
there basically acting as lawyers for the TSL players so youd contact ESF then ESF goes to the palyers to deliver the message and make sure they understand what you said then they bring you there reply this way no mistranslations or unclear concepts
If you can translate a contract into Korean, and have sources to confirm your legitimacy, I'm sure you can contact directly (or at least cc)
On January 08 2013 13:44 Treetop wrote: Wasn't this the entire fucking point of the ESF? To protect player interests? ESF is run by Gom..Gom hasn't shown to have done anything shady with the ESF power so far. Why are people always trying to cause drama over something. It says right in the OP, all offers will go unfiltered. Plus, now these players will actually know what they're signing instead of having no-name teams screwing over naive Korean players that don't know better.
Only a couple of hardcore pro-kespa trolls are trying to start trouble.
On January 08 2013 13:21 rj rl wrote: Fuck i love this community: - kespa says "hey if you want flash on your dreamhack you've gotta contact us first" and everyone is OMG screw you kespa y u no let players breathe free blabla; - esf says "if you want to sign one of these you've gotta contact us first" and suddenly it's OMG it's so nice, helping them young inexperienced boys to keep afloat blabla. i mean seriously the fuck is this
It is because Kespa has a bad past history with things like this.
It is similar to Flash getting hyped every time he wins a game (This is the FIRST time a terran have tech switch to BC in TvT, Flash with the meta game change!!!). The hype is because it is Flash and his previous history in BW.
We have seen many eSF --> foreigner team transfers so the experience with eSF has been better. Not saying eSF is flawless (Slayers incident) but the 'trust' level is slightly higher.
I'd say both organizations have things against them, lol. There were a number of incidents and who's to say it won't happen again? Flash not being able to go to DH is a totally different scenario, so I don't know why he brought it up at all.
i dont remember the ESF doing as many shady douche moves as KeSPA though KeSPA were complete hard asses who wanted nothing more then complete control over everything and to show just how much control they had
ESF has been pretty civil and friendly
I was asking that, say I wanna sign Hyun, should I contact one of him/eSF OR only eSF exclusively?
It's hard to tell from OP's words but judging from the TLDR, eSF gains exclusitivity to these players' transfering.
there basically acting as lawyers for the TSL players so youd contact ESF then ESF goes to the palyers to deliver the message and make sure they understand what you said then they bring you there reply this way no mistranslations or unclear concepts
If you can translate a contract into Korean, and have sources to confirm your legitimacy, I'm sure you can contact directly (or at least cc)
when crank was still teamless and TB brought him to MLG he said that there were teams trying to fast talk him into a contract ESF has to be in the equation or people will abuse the TSL palyers lack of experience to trick them into a bad contract they'll regret
On January 08 2013 13:21 rj rl wrote: Fuck i love this community: - kespa says "hey if you want flash on your dreamhack you've gotta contact us first" and everyone is OMG screw you kespa y u no let players breathe free blabla; - esf says "if you want to sign one of these you've gotta contact us first" and suddenly it's OMG it's so nice, helping them young inexperienced boys to keep afloat blabla. i mean seriously the fuck is this
Nice try.
Assisting players in finding new teams is a completely different scenario.
dude and you think this is an assistance just because of the op? You know there are some things besides words, and if you see mcdonalds states it's food is healthy i recommend you to doubt a little. Basically beyond the esf statement is a simple fact: every contact goes through us, and it is exactly the same approach as the one kespa have shown before, yet ridiculous amount of drama/conspiracy was put into it immediately.
On January 08 2013 13:21 rj rl wrote: Fuck i love this community: - kespa says "hey if you want flash on your dreamhack you've gotta contact us first" and everyone is OMG screw you kespa y u no let players breathe free blabla; - esf says "if you want to sign one of these you've gotta contact us first" and suddenly it's OMG it's so nice, helping them young inexperienced boys to keep afloat blabla. i mean seriously the fuck is this
It is because Kespa has a bad past history with things like this.
It is similar to Flash getting hyped every time he wins a game (This is the FIRST time a terran have tech switch to BC in TvT, Flash with the meta game change!!!). The hype is because it is Flash and his previous history in BW.
We have seen many eSF --> foreigner team transfers so the experience with eSF has been better. Not saying eSF is flawless (Slayers incident) but the 'trust' level is slightly higher.
rofl talking about "trust" in eSF. remember Coach Lee incident, Startale coach incident, Slayers incident etc? incident everywhere. Similarity? theres always someone apologizing for false information in the end.
On January 08 2013 13:21 rj rl wrote: Fuck i love this community: - kespa says "hey if you want flash on your dreamhack you've gotta contact us first" and everyone is OMG screw you kespa y u no let players breathe free blabla; - esf says "if you want to sign one of these you've gotta contact us first" and suddenly it's OMG it's so nice, helping them young inexperienced boys to keep afloat blabla. i mean seriously the fuck is this
Nice try.
Assisting players in finding new teams is a completely different scenario.
dude and you think this is an assistance just because of the op? You know there are some things besides words, and if you see mcdonalds states it's food is healthy i recommend you to doubt a little. Basically beyond the esf statement is a simple fact: every contact goes through us, and it is exactly the same approach as the one kespa have shown before, yet ridiculous amount of drama/conspiracy was put into it immediately.
show me where mcdonalds saids a big mac is healthy
you really think the TSL players are experienced and skilled enough to negotiate a fair contract on there owns when they cant even understand the people there talking to? (most likely there going to get picked up by foreign teams)
On January 08 2013 13:21 rj rl wrote: Fuck i love this community: - kespa says "hey if you want flash on your dreamhack you've gotta contact us first" and everyone is OMG screw you kespa y u no let players breathe free blabla; - esf says "if you want to sign one of these you've gotta contact us first" and suddenly it's OMG it's so nice, helping them young inexperienced boys to keep afloat blabla. i mean seriously the fuck is this
It is because Kespa has a bad past history with things like this.
It is similar to Flash getting hyped every time he wins a game (This is the FIRST time a terran have tech switch to BC in TvT, Flash with the meta game change!!!). The hype is because it is Flash and his previous history in BW.
We have seen many eSF --> foreigner team transfers so the experience with eSF has been better. Not saying eSF is flawless (Slayers incident) but the 'trust' level is slightly higher.
I'd say both organizations have things against them, lol. There were a number of incidents and who's to say it won't happen again? Flash not being able to go to DH is a totally different scenario, so I don't know why he brought it up at all.
i dont remember the ESF doing as many shady douche moves as KeSPA though KeSPA were complete hard asses who wanted nothing more then complete control over everything and to show just how much control they had
ESF has been pretty civil and friendly
I was asking that, say I wanna sign Hyun, should I contact one of him/eSF OR only eSF exclusively?
It's hard to tell from OP's words but judging from the TLDR, eSF gains exclusitivity to these players' transfering.
there basically acting as lawyers for the TSL players so youd contact ESF then ESF goes to the palyers to deliver the message and make sure they understand what you said then they bring you there reply this way no mistranslations or unclear concepts
If by "everything" you mean the priorities of the players contracted with its affiliated teams, sure.
If by "civil and friendly" you mean being the proxy control organization of Blizzard (and that worked so well in Korea) or stirring shit with the circle-jerk hive mind, go ahead.
GOM is as power hungry as KeSPA. Difference is that GOM likes to play victim with the SC2-only crowd.
On January 08 2013 13:21 rj rl wrote: Fuck i love this community: - kespa says "hey if you want flash on your dreamhack you've gotta contact us first" and everyone is OMG screw you kespa y u no let players breathe free blabla; - esf says "if you want to sign one of these you've gotta contact us first" and suddenly it's OMG it's so nice, helping them young inexperienced boys to keep afloat blabla. i mean seriously the fuck is this
It is because Kespa has a bad past history with things like this.
It is similar to Flash getting hyped every time he wins a game (This is the FIRST time a terran have tech switch to BC in TvT, Flash with the meta game change!!!). The hype is because it is Flash and his previous history in BW.
We have seen many eSF --> foreigner team transfers so the experience with eSF has been better. Not saying eSF is flawless (Slayers incident) but the 'trust' level is slightly higher.
I'd say both organizations have things against them, lol. There were a number of incidents and who's to say it won't happen again? Flash not being able to go to DH is a totally different scenario, so I don't know why he brought it up at all.
i dont remember the ESF doing as many shady douche moves as KeSPA though KeSPA were complete hard asses who wanted nothing more then complete control over everything and to show just how much control they had
ESF has been pretty civil and friendly
I was asking that, say I wanna sign Hyun, should I contact one of him/eSF OR only eSF exclusively?
It's hard to tell from OP's words but judging from the TLDR, eSF gains exclusitivity to these players' transfering.
there basically acting as lawyers for the TSL players so youd contact ESF then ESF goes to the palyers to deliver the message and make sure they understand what you said then they bring you there reply this way no mistranslations or unclear concepts
If by "everything" you mean the priorities of the players contracted with its affiliated teams, sure.
If by "civil and friendly" you mean being the proxy control organization of Blizzard (and that worked so well in Korea) or stirring shit with the circle-jerk hive mind, go ahead.
GOM is as power hungry as KeSPA. Difference is that GOM likes to play victim with the SC2-only crowd.
usually when people make such claims they provide a source, or at least give some explanation to specific incidents
EPT
