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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
January 08 2013 04:42 GMT
#121
On January 08 2013 13:37 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 12:54 vthree wrote:
On January 08 2013 12:43 Arceus wrote:
I find this post rather confusing. First they say any offer could be forwarded to players without being filtered, then they conclude that basically every teams need to go through this esf.juno dude???


Well, teams might not know how to contact the players. What is HyuN's email? Do you go through twitter? Call him perhaps? This just gives the teams that are interested a centralized channel and make sure the message will get to the players.

Obvious, foreign teams that are pretty established in Korea, EG, TL, etc might not need this. But it will help out other teams.

I was asking that, say I wanna sign Hyun, should I contact one of him/eSF OR only eSF exclusively?

It's hard to tell from OP's words but judging from the TLDR, eSF gains exclusitivity to these players' transfering.

Contact eSF but also cc Hyun onto the email? :/
eronica
Profile Joined October 2012
175 Posts
January 08 2013 04:42 GMT
#122
Remember when all ogs were scammed into Apex team ? Good thing esf is into it
Sc2Corpse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States210 Posts
January 08 2013 04:42 GMT
#123
I bid 100$ on Ragnarok.
The Zombie Protoss <3
Treetop
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States140 Posts
January 08 2013 04:44 GMT
#124
Wasn't this the entire fucking point of the ESF? To protect player interests? ESF is run by Gom..Gom hasn't shown to have done anything shady with the ESF power so far. Why are people always trying to cause drama over something. It says right in the OP, all offers will go unfiltered. Plus, now these players will actually know what they're signing instead of having no-name teams screwing over naive Korean players that don't know better.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 08 2013 04:44 GMT
#125
On January 08 2013 13:39 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 13:36 StarStruck wrote:
On January 08 2013 13:29 vthree wrote:
On January 08 2013 13:21 rj rl wrote:
Fuck i love this community:
- kespa says "hey if you want flash on your dreamhack you've gotta contact us first" and everyone is OMG screw you kespa y u no let players breathe free blabla;
- esf says "if you want to sign one of these you've gotta contact us first" and suddenly it's OMG it's so nice, helping them young inexperienced boys to keep afloat blabla.
i mean seriously the fuck is this


It is because Kespa has a bad past history with things like this.

It is similar to Flash getting hyped every time he wins a game (This is the FIRST time a terran have tech switch to BC in TvT, Flash with the meta game change!!!). The hype is because it is Flash and his previous history in BW.

We have seen many eSF --> foreigner team transfers so the experience with eSF has been better. Not saying eSF is flawless (Slayers incident) but the 'trust' level is slightly higher.


I'd say both organizations have things against them, lol. There were a number of incidents and who's to say it won't happen again? Flash not being able to go to DH is a totally different scenario, so I don't know why he brought it up at all.

i dont remember the ESF doing as many shady douche moves as KeSPA though KeSPA were complete hard asses who wanted nothing more then complete control over everything and to show just how much control they had

ESF has been pretty civil and friendly

I was asking that, say I wanna sign Hyun, should I contact one of him/eSF OR only eSF exclusively?

It's hard to tell from OP's words but judging from the TLDR, eSF gains exclusitivity to these players' transfering.

there basically acting as lawyers for the TSL players so youd contact ESF then ESF goes to the palyers to deliver the message and make sure they understand what you said then they bring you there reply this way no mistranslations or unclear concepts


If you can translate a contract into Korean, and have sources to confirm your legitimacy, I'm sure you can contact directly (or at least cc)
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MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
January 08 2013 04:45 GMT
#126
On January 08 2013 13:44 Treetop wrote:
Wasn't this the entire fucking point of the ESF? To protect player interests? ESF is run by Gom..Gom hasn't shown to have done anything shady with the ESF power so far. Why are people always trying to cause drama over something. It says right in the OP, all offers will go unfiltered. Plus, now these players will actually know what they're signing instead of having no-name teams screwing over naive Korean players that don't know better.


Only a couple of hardcore pro-kespa trolls are trying to start trouble.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
January 08 2013 04:49 GMT
#127
On January 08 2013 13:44 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 13:39 Forikorder wrote:
On January 08 2013 13:36 StarStruck wrote:
On January 08 2013 13:29 vthree wrote:
On January 08 2013 13:21 rj rl wrote:
Fuck i love this community:
- kespa says "hey if you want flash on your dreamhack you've gotta contact us first" and everyone is OMG screw you kespa y u no let players breathe free blabla;
- esf says "if you want to sign one of these you've gotta contact us first" and suddenly it's OMG it's so nice, helping them young inexperienced boys to keep afloat blabla.
i mean seriously the fuck is this


It is because Kespa has a bad past history with things like this.

It is similar to Flash getting hyped every time he wins a game (This is the FIRST time a terran have tech switch to BC in TvT, Flash with the meta game change!!!). The hype is because it is Flash and his previous history in BW.

We have seen many eSF --> foreigner team transfers so the experience with eSF has been better. Not saying eSF is flawless (Slayers incident) but the 'trust' level is slightly higher.


I'd say both organizations have things against them, lol. There were a number of incidents and who's to say it won't happen again? Flash not being able to go to DH is a totally different scenario, so I don't know why he brought it up at all.

i dont remember the ESF doing as many shady douche moves as KeSPA though KeSPA were complete hard asses who wanted nothing more then complete control over everything and to show just how much control they had

ESF has been pretty civil and friendly

I was asking that, say I wanna sign Hyun, should I contact one of him/eSF OR only eSF exclusively?

It's hard to tell from OP's words but judging from the TLDR, eSF gains exclusitivity to these players' transfering.

there basically acting as lawyers for the TSL players so youd contact ESF then ESF goes to the palyers to deliver the message and make sure they understand what you said then they bring you there reply this way no mistranslations or unclear concepts


If you can translate a contract into Korean, and have sources to confirm your legitimacy, I'm sure you can contact directly (or at least cc)

when crank was still teamless and TB brought him to MLG he said that there were teams trying to fast talk him into a contract ESF has to be in the equation or people will abuse the TSL palyers lack of experience to trick them into a bad contract they'll regret

its regrettable but theres teams that will do it
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
January 08 2013 04:51 GMT
#128
Does Shine already have a new team? :O
rj rl
Profile Joined May 2012
648 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 04:54:03
January 08 2013 04:53 GMT
#129
On January 08 2013 13:41 MCXD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 13:21 rj rl wrote:
Fuck i love this community:
- kespa says "hey if you want flash on your dreamhack you've gotta contact us first" and everyone is OMG screw you kespa y u no let players breathe free blabla;
- esf says "if you want to sign one of these you've gotta contact us first" and suddenly it's OMG it's so nice, helping them young inexperienced boys to keep afloat blabla.
i mean seriously the fuck is this


Nice try.

Assisting players in finding new teams is a completely different scenario.

dude and you think this is an assistance just because of the op? You know there are some things besides words, and if you see mcdonalds states it's food is healthy i recommend you to doubt a little. Basically beyond the esf statement is a simple fact: every contact goes through us, and it is exactly the same approach as the one kespa have shown before, yet ridiculous amount of drama/conspiracy was put into it immediately.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
January 08 2013 04:53 GMT
#130
I would donate some money for one to go to Startale, but what they need right now is another front line protoss.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
January 08 2013 04:55 GMT
#131
On January 08 2013 13:29 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 13:21 rj rl wrote:
Fuck i love this community:
- kespa says "hey if you want flash on your dreamhack you've gotta contact us first" and everyone is OMG screw you kespa y u no let players breathe free blabla;
- esf says "if you want to sign one of these you've gotta contact us first" and suddenly it's OMG it's so nice, helping them young inexperienced boys to keep afloat blabla.
i mean seriously the fuck is this


It is because Kespa has a bad past history with things like this.

It is similar to Flash getting hyped every time he wins a game (This is the FIRST time a terran have tech switch to BC in TvT, Flash with the meta game change!!!). The hype is because it is Flash and his previous history in BW.

We have seen many eSF --> foreigner team transfers so the experience with eSF has been better. Not saying eSF is flawless (Slayers incident) but the 'trust' level is slightly higher.

rofl talking about "trust" in eSF. remember Coach Lee incident, Startale coach incident, Slayers incident etc? incident everywhere. Similarity? theres always someone apologizing for false information in the end.
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
January 08 2013 04:56 GMT
#132
On January 08 2013 11:24 PiQLiQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 10:38 Fionn wrote:
I want to buy Hyun.



Why is that?

SO HE CAN DRESS HIM UP LIKE POLT?

TL forum members should sponsor a player. Or reddit should do that, hey, yeah, reddit should do it! Reddit' Hyun
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
OptimusYale
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1005 Posts
January 08 2013 04:57 GMT
#133
Koreans have been fucked by foreign teams, I for one am happy that esf has decided to act as agents in the deal as long as they dont take a huge cut.

Means they wont be joining mickey mouse teams because their english isn't so great
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
January 08 2013 04:59 GMT
#134
On January 08 2013 13:53 rj rl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 13:41 MCXD wrote:
On January 08 2013 13:21 rj rl wrote:
Fuck i love this community:
- kespa says "hey if you want flash on your dreamhack you've gotta contact us first" and everyone is OMG screw you kespa y u no let players breathe free blabla;
- esf says "if you want to sign one of these you've gotta contact us first" and suddenly it's OMG it's so nice, helping them young inexperienced boys to keep afloat blabla.
i mean seriously the fuck is this


Nice try.

Assisting players in finding new teams is a completely different scenario.

dude and you think this is an assistance just because of the op? You know there are some things besides words, and if you see mcdonalds states it's food is healthy i recommend you to doubt a little. Basically beyond the esf statement is a simple fact: every contact goes through us, and it is exactly the same approach as the one kespa have shown before, yet ridiculous amount of drama/conspiracy was put into it immediately.

show me where mcdonalds saids a big mac is healthy

you really think the TSL players are experienced and skilled enough to negotiate a fair contract on there owns when they cant even understand the people there talking to? (most likely there going to get picked up by foreign teams)
VManOfMana
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States764 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 05:01:05
January 08 2013 05:00 GMT
#135
On January 08 2013 13:39 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 13:36 StarStruck wrote:
On January 08 2013 13:29 vthree wrote:
On January 08 2013 13:21 rj rl wrote:
Fuck i love this community:
- kespa says "hey if you want flash on your dreamhack you've gotta contact us first" and everyone is OMG screw you kespa y u no let players breathe free blabla;
- esf says "if you want to sign one of these you've gotta contact us first" and suddenly it's OMG it's so nice, helping them young inexperienced boys to keep afloat blabla.
i mean seriously the fuck is this


It is because Kespa has a bad past history with things like this.

It is similar to Flash getting hyped every time he wins a game (This is the FIRST time a terran have tech switch to BC in TvT, Flash with the meta game change!!!). The hype is because it is Flash and his previous history in BW.

We have seen many eSF --> foreigner team transfers so the experience with eSF has been better. Not saying eSF is flawless (Slayers incident) but the 'trust' level is slightly higher.


I'd say both organizations have things against them, lol. There were a number of incidents and who's to say it won't happen again? Flash not being able to go to DH is a totally different scenario, so I don't know why he brought it up at all.


i dont remember the ESF doing as many shady douche moves as KeSPA though KeSPA were complete hard asses who wanted nothing more then complete control over everything and to show just how much control they had

ESF has been pretty civil and friendly

I was asking that, say I wanna sign Hyun, should I contact one of him/eSF OR only eSF exclusively?

It's hard to tell from OP's words but judging from the TLDR, eSF gains exclusitivity to these players' transfering.

there basically acting as lawyers for the TSL players so youd contact ESF then ESF goes to the palyers to deliver the message and make sure they understand what you said then they bring you there reply this way no mistranslations or unclear concepts


If by "everything" you mean the priorities of the players contracted with its affiliated teams, sure.

If by "civil and friendly" you mean being the proxy control organization of Blizzard (and that worked so well in Korea) or stirring shit with the circle-jerk hive mind, go ahead.

GOM is as power hungry as KeSPA. Difference is that GOM likes to play victim with the SC2-only crowd.
Woo Jung Ho, FIGHTING! | "With the death of BW comes the death of an idea. And that idea, held by many BW fans, was that a computer game could actually outlive the Next New Game cycle. And to some extent it did." -Falling
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 05:01:04
January 08 2013 05:00 GMT
#136
On January 08 2013 10:39 warshop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 10:38 Fionn wrote:
I want to buy Hyun.



I chip-in 20$.

ill chip in 20$ too
#TheOneTrueDong
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
January 08 2013 05:02 GMT
#137
On January 08 2013 14:00 VManOfMana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 13:39 Forikorder wrote:
On January 08 2013 13:36 StarStruck wrote:
On January 08 2013 13:29 vthree wrote:
On January 08 2013 13:21 rj rl wrote:
Fuck i love this community:
- kespa says "hey if you want flash on your dreamhack you've gotta contact us first" and everyone is OMG screw you kespa y u no let players breathe free blabla;
- esf says "if you want to sign one of these you've gotta contact us first" and suddenly it's OMG it's so nice, helping them young inexperienced boys to keep afloat blabla.
i mean seriously the fuck is this


It is because Kespa has a bad past history with things like this.

It is similar to Flash getting hyped every time he wins a game (This is the FIRST time a terran have tech switch to BC in TvT, Flash with the meta game change!!!). The hype is because it is Flash and his previous history in BW.

We have seen many eSF --> foreigner team transfers so the experience with eSF has been better. Not saying eSF is flawless (Slayers incident) but the 'trust' level is slightly higher.


I'd say both organizations have things against them, lol. There were a number of incidents and who's to say it won't happen again? Flash not being able to go to DH is a totally different scenario, so I don't know why he brought it up at all.


i dont remember the ESF doing as many shady douche moves as KeSPA though KeSPA were complete hard asses who wanted nothing more then complete control over everything and to show just how much control they had

ESF has been pretty civil and friendly

I was asking that, say I wanna sign Hyun, should I contact one of him/eSF OR only eSF exclusively?

It's hard to tell from OP's words but judging from the TLDR, eSF gains exclusitivity to these players' transfering.

there basically acting as lawyers for the TSL players so youd contact ESF then ESF goes to the palyers to deliver the message and make sure they understand what you said then they bring you there reply this way no mistranslations or unclear concepts


If by "everything" you mean the priorities of the players contracted with its affiliated teams, sure.

If by "civil and friendly" you mean being the proxy control organization of Blizzard (and that worked so well in Korea) or stirring shit with the circle-jerk hive mind, go ahead.

GOM is as power hungry as KeSPA. Difference is that GOM likes to play victim with the SC2-only crowd.

usually when people make such claims they provide a source, or at least give some explanation to specific incidents
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 08 2013 05:03 GMT
#138
On January 08 2013 14:00 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 10:39 warshop wrote:
On January 08 2013 10:38 Fionn wrote:
I want to buy Hyun.



I chip-in 20$.

ill chip in 20$ too

Willing to add $50 to the Fionn.Hyun fund.
TheAppetizer
Profile Joined February 2011
United States146 Posts
January 08 2013 05:05 GMT
#139
I guess it's good that someone is looking out for them. Misunderstandings of contracts are never pretty.
PhOeniX[MinD]
Profile Joined August 2008
361 Posts
January 08 2013 05:05 GMT
#140
they are good players im sure they'll find a team soon
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