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I'd add another twenty for Hyun from my poker account, let's sign him.
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Come on Nazgul, let's see all these players just drop the S from their ID.
1.TL_Center : (Wiki)Center
2.TL_Symbol : (Wiki)Symbol
3.TL_Hyun : (Wiki)HyuN
4.TL_Ragnarok : (Wiki)RagnaroK
eh? eh?
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im glad the players have someone looking out for them ^^
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On January 09 2013 02:45 EliteSK wrote:
There's already a trade lock on eSF players going to Kespa teams, so no clue why Boss is mad about that even though I agree that it's somewhat of a power play. I don't think it's the end of the world though and probably done because the team disbanded and a fair number of players hit free agency at once, so I don't mind it.
I haven't seen GOM really steer us wrong yet, so I hope nothing goes wrong with this either.
Doesn't apply to dead teams. SKT picked up Dark.
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^^^ Iirc Slayers wasn't part of that agreement/ESF.
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On January 09 2013 09:12 Logjamming wrote:
^^^ Iirc Slayers wasn't part of that agreement/ESF.
You don't, they were part of it.
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On January 09 2013 09:13 Broodwurst wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 09:12 Logjamming wrote:
^^^ Iirc Slayers wasn't part of that agreement/ESF. You don't, they were part of it.
I don't think they were actually... wasn't ESF players being mean to Slayers players cited as one of the reasons for the team going under?
I donno if they were part of the trade freeze or not, but they weren't in the ESF itself.
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SlayerS was part of the trade lock, but they weren't ESF, and they disbanded.
Probably some weird loophole involved with that.
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On January 09 2013 09:18 Dodgin wrote:
SlayerS was part of the trade lock, but they weren't ESF, and they disbanded.
Probably some weird loophole involved with that.
they probably just went with it to avoid getting singled out by the entire Korean community and becuase the trade lock benefited them as much as everyone else
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On January 09 2013 02:47 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 01:25 Martijn wrote:I'm with the people that believe eSF should have an advisory role, I'm not sure what "preparations with negotiations" entails, but if it's limited to advice/translations, than I'm all for it. On January 08 2013 23:42 Forikorder wrote:On January 08 2013 23:31 JustPassingBy wrote:
I don't know. I would've preferred if the eSF just offered (hidden) advice to the players, with the possibility that the player can apply for representative negotiate in his stead, instead of channeling all negotiations through them. Even if they mean no harm to the players, such a move will ultimately harm the players as it makes them less easily approachable. Teams who thought of hiring them might think twice if they have to go through eSF, especially since the majority of the people probably don't know what the eSF is (what is their structure, who makes the decisions, what are the official channels). if a team doesnt know what the eSF is then they have no right trying to snag such a top player if a team didnt go through eSF then its very likely that the palyer gets a bad contract without realising it Wait, why is this "very likely"? Do you have no faith in the established progaming teams? I could understand people saying this about relatively new teams, and teams that have foul reputations. But most established teams know that what's best for the player often aligns with what's best for the team. most teams are struggling to stay afloat, any room in the budget they can make would be big aside from Liquid, EG and the Korean teams i wouldnt trust the other teams to play 100% fair and its extremely likely that EG and TL wont be picking up many of them we already know teams tried to fast talk crank into a bad contract (though TB remained hush onw aht teams) so it wouldnt be surprising that people would see the TSL palyers as a golden opportunity since they have noone to go to for advice and help if ESF didnt step in
You're joking right? The only teams in a tough spot are the esf teams and the teams funded by private capital. The majority of the western teams are in better financial state than they ever have been.
I'm obviously not going to get into the details of our budget, but we have more money to spend than ever. Most teams are definitely NOT "struggling to stay afloat". That's nuts! Many player and sponsor contracts run out at the end of December, that's why things might have seemed unstable.
I think it's good that eSF takes an advisory role, but your arguments are pure and utter nonsense!
Edit: How are you even making this stuff up?
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On January 09 2013 19:22 Martijn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 02:47 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2013 01:25 Martijn wrote:I'm with the people that believe eSF should have an advisory role, I'm not sure what "preparations with negotiations" entails, but if it's limited to advice/translations, than I'm all for it. On January 08 2013 23:42 Forikorder wrote:On January 08 2013 23:31 JustPassingBy wrote:
I don't know. I would've preferred if the eSF just offered (hidden) advice to the players, with the possibility that the player can apply for representative negotiate in his stead, instead of channeling all negotiations through them. Even if they mean no harm to the players, such a move will ultimately harm the players as it makes them less easily approachable. Teams who thought of hiring them might think twice if they have to go through eSF, especially since the majority of the people probably don't know what the eSF is (what is their structure, who makes the decisions, what are the official channels). if a team doesnt know what the eSF is then they have no right trying to snag such a top player if a team didnt go through eSF then its very likely that the palyer gets a bad contract without realising it Wait, why is this "very likely"? Do you have no faith in the established progaming teams? I could understand people saying this about relatively new teams, and teams that have foul reputations. But most established teams know that what's best for the player often aligns with what's best for the team. most teams are struggling to stay afloat, any room in the budget they can make would be big aside from Liquid, EG and the Korean teams i wouldnt trust the other teams to play 100% fair and its extremely likely that EG and TL wont be picking up many of them we already know teams tried to fast talk crank into a bad contract (though TB remained hush onw aht teams) so it wouldnt be surprising that people would see the TSL palyers as a golden opportunity since they have noone to go to for advice and help if ESF didnt step in You're joking right? The only teams in a tough spot are the esf teams and the teams funded by private capital. The majority of the western teams are in better financial state than they ever have been. I'm obviously not going to get into the details of our budget, but we have more money to spend than ever. Most teams are definitely NOT "struggling to stay afloat". That's nuts! Many player and sponsor contracts run out at the end of December, that's why things might have seemed unstable. I think it's good that eSF takes an advisory role, but your arguments are pure and utter nonsense! Edit: How are you even making this stuff up?
i dont see how you can say that teams are in an amazing financial position when Quantic recently went broke and imploded
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On January 09 2013 09:07 Solarsail wrote:
Doesn't apply to dead teams. SKT picked up Dark.
It didn't apply for SlayerS because they weren't in the eSF. TSL on the other hand were and they were registered for the lock as a member of the eSF teams. Unless there is some weird technical reason why dead teams would change the matter im sure it still applies.
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On January 09 2013 22:33 FlukyS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 09:07 Solarsail wrote:
Doesn't apply to dead teams. SKT picked up Dark.
It didn't apply for SlayerS because they weren't in the eSF. TSL on the other hand were and they were registered for the lock as a member of the eSF teams. Unless there is some weird technical reason why dead teams would change the matter im sure it still applies.
slayers was part of the lock too
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would be awesome if eg or liquid gets hyun ;p
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On January 09 2013 22:17 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 19:22 Martijn wrote:On January 09 2013 02:47 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2013 01:25 Martijn wrote:I'm with the people that believe eSF should have an advisory role, I'm not sure what "preparations with negotiations" entails, but if it's limited to advice/translations, than I'm all for it. On January 08 2013 23:42 Forikorder wrote:On January 08 2013 23:31 JustPassingBy wrote:
I don't know. I would've preferred if the eSF just offered (hidden) advice to the players, with the possibility that the player can apply for representative negotiate in his stead, instead of channeling all negotiations through them. Even if they mean no harm to the players, such a move will ultimately harm the players as it makes them less easily approachable. Teams who thought of hiring them might think twice if they have to go through eSF, especially since the majority of the people probably don't know what the eSF is (what is their structure, who makes the decisions, what are the official channels). if a team doesnt know what the eSF is then they have no right trying to snag such a top player if a team didnt go through eSF then its very likely that the palyer gets a bad contract without realising it Wait, why is this "very likely"? Do you have no faith in the established progaming teams? I could understand people saying this about relatively new teams, and teams that have foul reputations. But most established teams know that what's best for the player often aligns with what's best for the team. most teams are struggling to stay afloat, any room in the budget they can make would be big aside from Liquid, EG and the Korean teams i wouldnt trust the other teams to play 100% fair and its extremely likely that EG and TL wont be picking up many of them we already know teams tried to fast talk crank into a bad contract (though TB remained hush onw aht teams) so it wouldnt be surprising that people would see the TSL palyers as a golden opportunity since they have noone to go to for advice and help if ESF didnt step in You're joking right? The only teams in a tough spot are the esf teams and the teams funded by private capital. The majority of the western teams are in better financial state than they ever have been. I'm obviously not going to get into the details of our budget, but we have more money to spend than ever. Most teams are definitely NOT "struggling to stay afloat". That's nuts! Many player and sponsor contracts run out at the end of December, that's why things might have seemed unstable. I think it's good that eSF takes an advisory role, but your arguments are pure and utter nonsense! Edit: How are you even making this stuff up? i dont see how you can say that teams are in an amazing financial position when Quantic recently went broke and imploded
Quantic lasted what, just 2 years? And that's 1 team. With a roster that was way too big to keep. It blows my mind where you get these arguments. The fact that their sponsor just decided one day to quit and that they had no fall-back certainly doesn't speak for financial stability.
If you look at the established teams, they're in a better spot than ever. A good number of teams resigned sponsors for 2013, a few switched.
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On January 10 2013 18:05 Martijn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 22:17 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2013 19:22 Martijn wrote:On January 09 2013 02:47 Forikorder wrote:On January 09 2013 01:25 Martijn wrote:I'm with the people that believe eSF should have an advisory role, I'm not sure what "preparations with negotiations" entails, but if it's limited to advice/translations, than I'm all for it. On January 08 2013 23:42 Forikorder wrote:On January 08 2013 23:31 JustPassingBy wrote:
I don't know. I would've preferred if the eSF just offered (hidden) advice to the players, with the possibility that the player can apply for representative negotiate in his stead, instead of channeling all negotiations through them. Even if they mean no harm to the players, such a move will ultimately harm the players as it makes them less easily approachable. Teams who thought of hiring them might think twice if they have to go through eSF, especially since the majority of the people probably don't know what the eSF is (what is their structure, who makes the decisions, what are the official channels). if a team doesnt know what the eSF is then they have no right trying to snag such a top player if a team didnt go through eSF then its very likely that the palyer gets a bad contract without realising it Wait, why is this "very likely"? Do you have no faith in the established progaming teams? I could understand people saying this about relatively new teams, and teams that have foul reputations. But most established teams know that what's best for the player often aligns with what's best for the team. most teams are struggling to stay afloat, any room in the budget they can make would be big aside from Liquid, EG and the Korean teams i wouldnt trust the other teams to play 100% fair and its extremely likely that EG and TL wont be picking up many of them we already know teams tried to fast talk crank into a bad contract (though TB remained hush onw aht teams) so it wouldnt be surprising that people would see the TSL palyers as a golden opportunity since they have noone to go to for advice and help if ESF didnt step in You're joking right? The only teams in a tough spot are the esf teams and the teams funded by private capital. The majority of the western teams are in better financial state than they ever have been. I'm obviously not going to get into the details of our budget, but we have more money to spend than ever. Most teams are definitely NOT "struggling to stay afloat". That's nuts! Many player and sponsor contracts run out at the end of December, that's why things might have seemed unstable. I think it's good that eSF takes an advisory role, but your arguments are pure and utter nonsense! Edit: How are you even making this stuff up? i dont see how you can say that teams are in an amazing financial position when Quantic recently went broke and imploded Quantic lasted what, just 2 years? And that's 1 team. With a roster that was way too big to keep. It blows my mind where you get these arguments. The fact that their sponsor just decided one day to quit and that they had no fall-back certainly doesn't speak for financial stability. If you look at the established teams, they're in a better spot than ever. A good number of teams resigned sponsors for 2013, a few switched.
The problem with Quantic was that they relied on private investors, not sponsors. Sponsored teams are way more stable. If private investors pull out, your organisation can just pack its bags. Sponsorships involve negotiations, and you'd know from before when a sponsorship agreement will come to an end, and you plan ahead accordingly, by either trying to renew, or to look for new sponsors. Unfortunately, not many organisations get the huge amount of sponsorship money required to stay operational, but those few are very stable, such as EG, SK, Mouz, Acer, Dignitas, Millenium etc. I'm presuming Western Wolves as well ^^
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Haha, I will tell you WW is 0% reliant on private capital, we depend fully on our sponsors. And we're excited about 2013.
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