EPTFormer TSL members Free Agency notice from eSF - Page 12
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
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JKM
Denmark419 Posts
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florious80
United States17 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
I guess this has something to do with the one year ban of trades between KeSPA and eSF...? | ||
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EliteSK
Korea (South)251 Posts
I haven't seen GOM really steer us wrong yet, so I hope nothing goes wrong with this either. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On January 09 2013 01:25 Martijn wrote: I'm with the people that believe eSF should have an advisory role, I'm not sure what "preparations with negotiations" entails, but if it's limited to advice/translations, than I'm all for it. Wait, why is this "very likely"? Do you have no faith in the established progaming teams? I could understand people saying this about relatively new teams, and teams that have foul reputations. But most established teams know that what's best for the player often aligns with what's best for the team. most teams are struggling to stay afloat, any room in the budget they can make would be big aside from Liquid, EG and the Korean teams i wouldnt trust the other teams to play 100% fair and its extremely likely that EG and TL wont be picking up many of them we already know teams tried to fast talk crank into a bad contract (though TB remained hush onw aht teams) so it wouldnt be surprising that people would see the TSL palyers as a golden opportunity since they have noone to go to for advice and help if ESF didnt step in | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On January 09 2013 02:21 florious80 wrote: I do not understand why ESF needs to be the middle man when all of the offers will be "unfiltered" to the players. I'm in favor of ESF providing a good translator/helper for the players for negotiations when they ask for someone. If the offers truly goes through without modification, I don't see why ALL the offers must go through ESF to begin with. This is of course assuming teams knows how to contact the players in the first place. Well, they can have exam the language of the offer and convey them to players. If not ALL offer must go through, then it would be pretty dumb for shady organizations to go to them instead of directly contact players, no? They may or may not have other reason / agendas but it makes sense. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
Any news on whether the trade ban with Kespa was released for the ex-TSL players? Kinda sounds like it in OP, the way it is worded. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On January 09 2013 02:21 florious80 wrote: I do not understand why ESF needs to be the middle man when all of the offers will be "unfiltered" to the players. I'm in favor of ESF providing a good translator/helper for the players for negotiations when they ask for someone. If the offers truly goes through without modification, I don't see why ALL the offers must go through ESF to begin with. This is of course assuming teams knows how to contact the players in the first place. to ensure the translations are understandable and understood by the player so they know exactly waht there signing | ||
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Sankanyo
United States140 Posts
Hope to see more of him. | ||
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alphakennybody
35 Posts
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florious80
United States17 Posts
On January 09 2013 02:52 Forikorder wrote: to ensure the translations are understandable and understood by the player so they know exactly waht there signing They can act like an athlete's agent representing the players to accomplish that. But if a team wants to contact the player, I see no reason why they can't directly. The way I'm reading it, is that any team that is interested in a player MUST go through them. Not necessary. Don't get me wrong, I think ESF wanting to help the players get a good contract is really great and important. But the way they came across felt like they wanted some control over the deal. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On January 09 2013 03:12 florious80 wrote: They can act like an athlete's agent representing the players to accomplish that. But if a team wants to contact the player, I see no reason why they can't directly. The way I'm reading it, is that any team that is interested in a player MUST go through them. Not necessary. Don't get me wrong, I think ESF wanting to help the players get a good contract is really great and important. But the way they came across felt like they wanted some control over the deal. but if they dont go through ESF then they make a deal with the player that could be unfair it would be too easy to fast talk them with a deal that sounds good and rush them into signing ESF is only there to make sure that the player knows what what and gets a fair contract | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On January 09 2013 03:12 florious80 wrote: They can act like an athlete's agent representing the players to accomplish that. But if a team wants to contact the player, I see no reason why they can't directly. The way I'm reading it, is that any team that is interested in a player MUST go through them. Not necessary. Don't get me wrong, I think ESF wanting to help the players get a good contract is really great and important. But the way they came across felt like they wanted some control over the deal. If it's not must, then shady orgs would never go through them, which defeats the whole purpose of the process, no? | ||
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Taipoka
Brazil1224 Posts
Isnt it better if ESF had come and said: " We (ESF) are providing juridic support for the former TSL players in his negotiations ... We want to help them find the best place ... " | ||
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unix04
United States89 Posts
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
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Vul
United States685 Posts
On January 09 2013 03:12 florious80 wrote: They can act like an athlete's agent representing the players to accomplish that. But if a team wants to contact the player, I see no reason why they can't directly. The way I'm reading it, is that any team that is interested in a player MUST go through them. Not necessary. Don't get me wrong, I think ESF wanting to help the players get a good contract is really great and important. But the way they came across felt like they wanted some control over the deal. In pro sports you have contracts that are pretty standardized, in SC2 they can have all sorts of terms like streaming, paying for food and rent, certain equipment, etc. Language barriers aren't that big of a problem in sports because you have a solid idea of what you're getting and what you're giving. SC2 isn't like that and there's a very high chance of misunderstandings. Some of these SC2 players aren't even adults and might not be comfortable advocating for themselves and asking tough questions or for clarification. So it makes sense for ESF to say that there will be a process for recruiting their players--ESF must ensure that the terms of their offer is translated and understandable to the player. I don't have a problem with it if they don't overstep that role. | ||
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