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BigKahunaBurger
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia334 Posts
January 08 2013 03:10 GMT
#61
On January 08 2013 12:04 StarStruck wrote:


Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 12:02 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.

This is clearly a power stunt.


Yeah, Composing emails to every foreign team in the world that could possibly want to sponsor or pick up a player.

Boy, wouldn't that be convenient.

I have to agree with Josh when I say some things are better to be kept behind closed doors. ESF are flaunting their position.


Literally the only argument against making it public that has been argued in this thread is that it makes them look like they're showing off. So what? They did a good thing. They're allowed to be proud of you know, helping professional gamers. Its their duty..

Whereas the positives include a show of goodwill towards the online community, greater communication and transparency between foreign and korean bases and more opportunities for korean players to get employed by advertising them on a popular SC2 site.

Stop being so negative.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 08 2013 03:11 GMT
#62
On January 08 2013 12:06 emythrel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 11:55 FXOBoSs wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:51 LighT. wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.

This is clearly a power stunt.

Agreed, no real reason to make this public.

Post above you explains this exactly. By making it public it makes it much less drama prone, they are doing things out in the open for the community to see.

Power play by them or not, I'm glad they did this. Could potentially save a good amount of silly drama down the road imo.


Until your favourite player is prevented from joining a team such as KT or SKT1 because of silly drama. This really didnt need to be public.


Kespa and eSF have a trade lock atm anyway. So none of your favorite players will be moving from an eSF team to kespa. I assume that applies to these players too.


Considering the team disbanded nope. ESF did lock these guys up by getting their consent though to try and find them new teams. Why would they do this? So KeSPA teams cannot pick them up. It was a strategic move, but they didn't have to announce it to everybody.
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
January 08 2013 03:15 GMT
#63
What about other tsl players? Do they allready have a new team or is esf being selective here?
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 08 2013 03:15 GMT
#64
On January 08 2013 12:11 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 12:06 emythrel wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:55 FXOBoSs wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:51 LighT. wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.

This is clearly a power stunt.

Agreed, no real reason to make this public.

Post above you explains this exactly. By making it public it makes it much less drama prone, they are doing things out in the open for the community to see.

Power play by them or not, I'm glad they did this. Could potentially save a good amount of silly drama down the road imo.


Until your favourite player is prevented from joining a team such as KT or SKT1 because of silly drama. This really didnt need to be public.


Kespa and eSF have a trade lock atm anyway. So none of your favorite players will be moving from an eSF team to kespa. I assume that applies to these players too.


Considering the team disbanded nope. ESF did lock these guys up by getting their consent though to try and find them new teams. Why would they do this? So KeSPA teams cannot pick them up. It was a strategic move, but they didn't have to announce it to everybody.


Like you said, these players are not under eSF control since the team disbanded, there is NOTHING to stop Kespa teams from trying to deal with them.

I am not sure how this would be different if they had just emailed the teams themselves. It is not like it wasn't going to get leaked by someone anyways.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
January 08 2013 03:17 GMT
#65
On January 08 2013 12:15 ibo422 wrote:
What about other tsl players? Do they allready have a new team or is esf being selective here?

I'm guessing they've either found new teams, retired, or did not consent to eSF acting as an intermediary.
BigKahunaBurger
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia334 Posts
January 08 2013 03:17 GMT
#66
On January 08 2013 12:11 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 12:06 emythrel wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:55 FXOBoSs wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:51 LighT. wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.

This is clearly a power stunt.

Agreed, no real reason to make this public.

Post above you explains this exactly. By making it public it makes it much less drama prone, they are doing things out in the open for the community to see.

Power play by them or not, I'm glad they did this. Could potentially save a good amount of silly drama down the road imo.


Until your favourite player is prevented from joining a team such as KT or SKT1 because of silly drama. This really didnt need to be public.


Kespa and eSF have a trade lock atm anyway. So none of your favorite players will be moving from an eSF team to kespa. I assume that applies to these players too.


Considering the team disbanded nope. ESF did lock these guys up by getting their consent though to try and find them new teams. Why would they do this? So KeSPA teams cannot pick them up. It was a strategic move, but they didn't have to announce it to everybody.



What you're saying makes no fucking sense.

They picked them up to help them find new teams...so Kespa couldn't find them help new teams?

You do realise they said they contacted every team in Korea right? As in, presumably they told Kespa teams as well and will help them join Kespa teams if they players wish.

It's only with the understanding that most Koreans want to be on foreign teams way more than Korean teams that its unlikely we'll see Kespa pick anyone up.

Why practice 12 hours a day when you can go make easy money in the US and Europe?
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 08 2013 03:18 GMT
#67
On January 08 2013 12:10 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 12:04 StarStruck wrote:


On January 08 2013 12:02 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.

This is clearly a power stunt.


Yeah, Composing emails to every foreign team in the world that could possibly want to sponsor or pick up a player.

Boy, wouldn't that be convenient.

I have to agree with Josh when I say some things are better to be kept behind closed doors. ESF are flaunting their position.


Literally the only argument against making it public that has been argued in this thread is that it makes them look like they're showing off. So what? They did a good thing. They're allowed to be proud of you know, helping professional gamers. Its their duty..

Whereas the positives include a show of goodwill towards the online community, greater communication and transparency between foreign and korean bases and more opportunities for korean players to get employed by advertising them on a popular SC2 site.

Stop being so negative.


Some of you have this ridiculous notion in your head that everything in the business needs to be transparent when in fact it's none of our bloody business. On paper this is an open block. All they did was lock up these players from being picked up by the KeSPA teams as they could have. It limits their opportunities but it looks like they're willing to accept it.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 08 2013 03:20 GMT
#68
On January 08 2013 12:17 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 12:11 StarStruck wrote:
On January 08 2013 12:06 emythrel wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:55 FXOBoSs wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:51 LighT. wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.

This is clearly a power stunt.

Agreed, no real reason to make this public.

Post above you explains this exactly. By making it public it makes it much less drama prone, they are doing things out in the open for the community to see.

Power play by them or not, I'm glad they did this. Could potentially save a good amount of silly drama down the road imo.


Until your favourite player is prevented from joining a team such as KT or SKT1 because of silly drama. This really didnt need to be public.


Kespa and eSF have a trade lock atm anyway. So none of your favorite players will be moving from an eSF team to kespa. I assume that applies to these players too.


Considering the team disbanded nope. ESF did lock these guys up by getting their consent though to try and find them new teams. Why would they do this? So KeSPA teams cannot pick them up. It was a strategic move, but they didn't have to announce it to everybody.



What you're saying makes no fucking sense.

They picked them up to help them find new teams...so Kespa couldn't find them help new teams?

You do realise they said they contacted every team in Korea right? As in, presumably they told Kespa teams as well and will help them join Kespa teams if they players wish.

It's only with the understanding that most Koreans want to be on foreign teams way more than Korean teams that its unlikely we'll see Kespa pick anyone up.

Why practice 12 hours a day when you can go make easy money in the US and Europe?



No, I just said it. The rights to these players were not locked to ESF before this making a KeSPA team fair game when it comes to picking them up. Like I said, it limits certain opportunities. It's still an opportunity no matter how you slice it man.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
January 08 2013 03:20 GMT
#69
On January 08 2013 12:18 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 12:10 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
On January 08 2013 12:04 StarStruck wrote:


On January 08 2013 12:02 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.

This is clearly a power stunt.


Yeah, Composing emails to every foreign team in the world that could possibly want to sponsor or pick up a player.

Boy, wouldn't that be convenient.

I have to agree with Josh when I say some things are better to be kept behind closed doors. ESF are flaunting their position.


Literally the only argument against making it public that has been argued in this thread is that it makes them look like they're showing off. So what? They did a good thing. They're allowed to be proud of you know, helping professional gamers. Its their duty..

Whereas the positives include a show of goodwill towards the online community, greater communication and transparency between foreign and korean bases and more opportunities for korean players to get employed by advertising them on a popular SC2 site.

Stop being so negative.


Some of you have this ridiculous notion in your head that everything in the business needs to be transparent when in fact it's none of our bloody business. On paper this is an open block. All they did was lock up these players from being picked up by the KeSPA teams as they could have. It limits their opportunities but it looks like they're willing to accept it.


In what way does this lock up these players from KesPA teams? If any of those teams want these guys they contact esf just like any other team would.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 08 2013 03:21 GMT
#70
On January 08 2013 12:20 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 12:17 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
On January 08 2013 12:11 StarStruck wrote:
On January 08 2013 12:06 emythrel wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:55 FXOBoSs wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:51 LighT. wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.

This is clearly a power stunt.

Agreed, no real reason to make this public.

Post above you explains this exactly. By making it public it makes it much less drama prone, they are doing things out in the open for the community to see.

Power play by them or not, I'm glad they did this. Could potentially save a good amount of silly drama down the road imo.


Until your favourite player is prevented from joining a team such as KT or SKT1 because of silly drama. This really didnt need to be public.


Kespa and eSF have a trade lock atm anyway. So none of your favorite players will be moving from an eSF team to kespa. I assume that applies to these players too.


Considering the team disbanded nope. ESF did lock these guys up by getting their consent though to try and find them new teams. Why would they do this? So KeSPA teams cannot pick them up. It was a strategic move, but they didn't have to announce it to everybody.



What you're saying makes no fucking sense.

They picked them up to help them find new teams...so Kespa couldn't find them help new teams?

You do realise they said they contacted every team in Korea right? As in, presumably they told Kespa teams as well and will help them join Kespa teams if they players wish.

It's only with the understanding that most Koreans want to be on foreign teams way more than Korean teams that its unlikely we'll see Kespa pick anyone up.

Why practice 12 hours a day when you can go make easy money in the US and Europe?



No, I just said it. The rights to these players were not locked to ESF before this making a KeSPA team fair game when it comes to picking them up. Like I said, it limits certain opportunities. It's still an opportunity no matter how you slice it man.


You don't actually know if they're not going to let them join kespa teams, stop pretending you know that.
MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
January 08 2013 03:22 GMT
#71
On January 08 2013 12:11 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 12:06 emythrel wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:55 FXOBoSs wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:51 LighT. wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.

This is clearly a power stunt.

Agreed, no real reason to make this public.

Post above you explains this exactly. By making it public it makes it much less drama prone, they are doing things out in the open for the community to see.

Power play by them or not, I'm glad they did this. Could potentially save a good amount of silly drama down the road imo.


Until your favourite player is prevented from joining a team such as KT or SKT1 because of silly drama. This really didnt need to be public.


Kespa and eSF have a trade lock atm anyway. So none of your favorite players will be moving from an eSF team to kespa. I assume that applies to these players too.


Considering the team disbanded nope. ESF did lock these guys up by getting their consent though to try and find them new teams. Why would they do this? So KeSPA teams cannot pick them up. It was a strategic move, but they didn't have to announce it to everybody.


? What are you talking about. Notice some former TSL players aren't on that list? In the edit it says it's done with the TSL players consent.

I would think that ESF offered, and only these 4 players accepted, and are acting as their agency to find the most suitable team based on the player. If anything, it's to provide support to break the language misunderstandings. I wouldn't at all be surprised if none went to kespa teams, but that doesn't just mean that ESF have complete control over which teams they can go to, I don't think kespa would be looking for anyone of these players except HyuN and maybe Symbol.

It also helps teams who are looking to recruit these lower profile players like Ragnarok who are having trouble or can't contact them.

Why is it such a big deal anyways? Having someone help you bargain the best income as well as working conditions isn't the do all or end all.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 03:27:33
January 08 2013 03:23 GMT
#72
On January 08 2013 12:15 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 12:11 StarStruck wrote:
On January 08 2013 12:06 emythrel wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:55 FXOBoSs wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:51 LighT. wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.

This is clearly a power stunt.

Agreed, no real reason to make this public.

Post above you explains this exactly. By making it public it makes it much less drama prone, they are doing things out in the open for the community to see.

Power play by them or not, I'm glad they did this. Could potentially save a good amount of silly drama down the road imo.


Until your favourite player is prevented from joining a team such as KT or SKT1 because of silly drama. This really didnt need to be public.


Kespa and eSF have a trade lock atm anyway. So none of your favorite players will be moving from an eSF team to kespa. I assume that applies to these players too.


Considering the team disbanded nope. ESF did lock these guys up by getting their consent though to try and find them new teams. Why would they do this? So KeSPA teams cannot pick them up. It was a strategic move, but they didn't have to announce it to everybody.


Like you said, these players are not under eSF control since the team disbanded, there is NOTHING to stop Kespa teams from trying to deal with them.

I am not sure how this would be different if they had just emailed the teams themselves. It is not like it wasn't going to get leaked by someone anyways.


Technically they're under ESF control now with them acting as the go-to guys for any type of negotiating.

On January 08 2013 12:22 MonkSEA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 12:11 StarStruck wrote:
On January 08 2013 12:06 emythrel wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:55 FXOBoSs wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:51 LighT. wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.

This is clearly a power stunt.

Agreed, no real reason to make this public.

Post above you explains this exactly. By making it public it makes it much less drama prone, they are doing things out in the open for the community to see.

Power play by them or not, I'm glad they did this. Could potentially save a good amount of silly drama down the road imo.


Until your favourite player is prevented from joining a team such as KT or SKT1 because of silly drama. This really didnt need to be public.


Kespa and eSF have a trade lock atm anyway. So none of your favorite players will be moving from an eSF team to kespa. I assume that applies to these players too.


Considering the team disbanded nope. ESF did lock these guys up by getting their consent though to try and find them new teams. Why would they do this? So KeSPA teams cannot pick them up. It was a strategic move, but they didn't have to announce it to everybody.


? What are you talking about. Notice some former TSL players aren't on that list? In the edit it says it's done with the TSL players consent.

I would think that ESF offered, and only these 4 players accepted, and are acting as their agency to find the most suitable team based on the player. If anything, it's to provide support to break the language misunderstandings. I wouldn't at all be surprised if none went to kespa teams, but that doesn't just mean that ESF have complete control over which teams they can go to, I don't think kespa would be looking for anyone of these players except HyuN and maybe Symbol.

It also helps teams who are looking to recruit these lower profile players like Ragnarok who are having trouble or can't contact them.

Why is it such a big deal anyways? Having someone help you bargain the best income as well as working conditions isn't the do all or end all.


What do you think I just said? You might want to read all my posts in this thread again with regards to the list of TSL players. Also you alluded to the same two TSL players that I alluded to that the KeSPA teams might be interested. We're technically saying the same thing, but I'm looking at this from a more political standpoint. They agreed to it. I'm fine with that, but you have to realize that this can put certain limitations on where they can possibly go.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 08 2013 03:23 GMT
#73
On January 08 2013 12:18 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 12:10 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
On January 08 2013 12:04 StarStruck wrote:


On January 08 2013 12:02 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.

This is clearly a power stunt.


Yeah, Composing emails to every foreign team in the world that could possibly want to sponsor or pick up a player.

Boy, wouldn't that be convenient.

I have to agree with Josh when I say some things are better to be kept behind closed doors. ESF are flaunting their position.


Literally the only argument against making it public that has been argued in this thread is that it makes them look like they're showing off. So what? They did a good thing. They're allowed to be proud of you know, helping professional gamers. Its their duty..

Whereas the positives include a show of goodwill towards the online community, greater communication and transparency between foreign and korean bases and more opportunities for korean players to get employed by advertising them on a popular SC2 site.

Stop being so negative.


Some of you have this ridiculous notion in your head that everything in the business needs to be transparent when in fact it's none of our bloody business. On paper this is an open block. All they did was lock up these players from being picked up by the KeSPA teams as they could have. It limits their opportunities but it looks like they're willing to accept it.


And some of you have this ridiculous notion that the ONLY reason eSF is doing this is to block Kespa teams. It is not like posting here gives them the legal rights to the players. I am sure players like HyuN/Symbol (ex BW pros) have plenty of Kespa contacts if that is the way they want to go.

No, and not ALL things need to be transparent. However, if there were to email this to ALL the foreigner teams, it pretty much becomes public domain anyways, does it not?

Look what happened to ex-OGS players and ApeX. Do we really want a repeat of that?
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 08 2013 03:26 GMT
#74
On January 08 2013 12:23 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 12:15 vthree wrote:
On January 08 2013 12:11 StarStruck wrote:
On January 08 2013 12:06 emythrel wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:55 FXOBoSs wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:51 LighT. wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.

This is clearly a power stunt.

Agreed, no real reason to make this public.

Post above you explains this exactly. By making it public it makes it much less drama prone, they are doing things out in the open for the community to see.

Power play by them or not, I'm glad they did this. Could potentially save a good amount of silly drama down the road imo.


Until your favourite player is prevented from joining a team such as KT or SKT1 because of silly drama. This really didnt need to be public.


Kespa and eSF have a trade lock atm anyway. So none of your favorite players will be moving from an eSF team to kespa. I assume that applies to these players too.


Considering the team disbanded nope. ESF did lock these guys up by getting their consent though to try and find them new teams. Why would they do this? So KeSPA teams cannot pick them up. It was a strategic move, but they didn't have to announce it to everybody.


Like you said, these players are not under eSF control since the team disbanded, there is NOTHING to stop Kespa teams from trying to deal with them.

I am not sure how this would be different if they had just emailed the teams themselves. It is not like it wasn't going to get leaked by someone anyways.


Technically they're under ESF control now with them acting as the go-to guys for any type of negotiating.


Not really. There is still nothing eSF could do if you really wanted to contact the players directly. They cannot legally block them from signing a contract. However, due to the language barrier, it might not be that easy to try to work out deals with the players directly, so they are providing a channel for teams.
Danger Boy
Profile Joined June 2011
United States47 Posts
January 08 2013 03:27 GMT
#75
All good players. i hope they find a home soon ). [side note] TL should totally let the community buy them a player! hehe
Fun only makes dieing worse...
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 03:28:58
January 08 2013 03:28 GMT
#76
On January 08 2013 12:23 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 12:18 StarStruck wrote:
On January 08 2013 12:10 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
On January 08 2013 12:04 StarStruck wrote:


On January 08 2013 12:02 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.

This is clearly a power stunt.


Yeah, Composing emails to every foreign team in the world that could possibly want to sponsor or pick up a player.

Boy, wouldn't that be convenient.

I have to agree with Josh when I say some things are better to be kept behind closed doors. ESF are flaunting their position.


Literally the only argument against making it public that has been argued in this thread is that it makes them look like they're showing off. So what? They did a good thing. They're allowed to be proud of you know, helping professional gamers. Its their duty..

Whereas the positives include a show of goodwill towards the online community, greater communication and transparency between foreign and korean bases and more opportunities for korean players to get employed by advertising them on a popular SC2 site.

Stop being so negative.


Some of you have this ridiculous notion in your head that everything in the business needs to be transparent when in fact it's none of our bloody business. On paper this is an open block. All they did was lock up these players from being picked up by the KeSPA teams as they could have. It limits their opportunities but it looks like they're willing to accept it.


And some of you have this ridiculous notion that the ONLY reason eSF is doing this is to block Kespa teams. It is not like posting here gives them the legal rights to the players. I am sure players like HyuN/Symbol (ex BW pros) have plenty of Kespa contacts if that is the way they want to go.

No, and not ALL things need to be transparent. However, if there were to email this to ALL the foreigner teams, it pretty much becomes public domain anyways, does it not?

Look what happened to ex-OGS players and ApeX. Do we really want a repeat of that?


I said there's a possibility. Don't put words in my mouth and no it doesn't because emails are private lol. When you share it with everyone else, that's when it becomes public.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 08 2013 03:33 GMT
#77
On January 08 2013 12:28 StarStruck wrote:
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On January 08 2013 12:23 vthree wrote:
On January 08 2013 12:18 StarStruck wrote:
On January 08 2013 12:10 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
On January 08 2013 12:04 StarStruck wrote:


On January 08 2013 12:02 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.

This is clearly a power stunt.


Yeah, Composing emails to every foreign team in the world that could possibly want to sponsor or pick up a player.

Boy, wouldn't that be convenient.

I have to agree with Josh when I say some things are better to be kept behind closed doors. ESF are flaunting their position.


Literally the only argument against making it public that has been argued in this thread is that it makes them look like they're showing off. So what? They did a good thing. They're allowed to be proud of you know, helping professional gamers. Its their duty..

Whereas the positives include a show of goodwill towards the online community, greater communication and transparency between foreign and korean bases and more opportunities for korean players to get employed by advertising them on a popular SC2 site.

Stop being so negative.


Some of you have this ridiculous notion in your head that everything in the business needs to be transparent when in fact it's none of our bloody business. On paper this is an open block. All they did was lock up these players from being picked up by the KeSPA teams as they could have. It limits their opportunities but it looks like they're willing to accept it.


And some of you have this ridiculous notion that the ONLY reason eSF is doing this is to block Kespa teams. It is not like posting here gives them the legal rights to the players. I am sure players like HyuN/Symbol (ex BW pros) have plenty of Kespa contacts if that is the way they want to go.

No, and not ALL things need to be transparent. However, if there were to email this to ALL the foreigner teams, it pretty much becomes public domain anyways, does it not?

Look what happened to ex-OGS players and ApeX. Do we really want a repeat of that?


I said there's a possibility. Don't put words in my mouth and no it doesn't because emails are private lol. When you share it with everyone else, that's when it becomes public.


" On paper this is an open block. All they did was lock up these players from being picked up by the KeSPA teams as they could have. "

I am putting words in your mouth? Please read what you wrote.

Yes, and things like player deals before getting finalized (private dealings) NEVER get leaked, right? If a player dealing with 2-3 teams can get leaked. What do you think if they sent an email to the 30+ foreign teams?
Ventris
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany1226 Posts
January 08 2013 03:34 GMT
#78
20 Euros from me for the recruitment of HyuN.

Also nice from the eSF to prevent another ApeX-kind thingy.
Fearest
Profile Joined September 2011
854 Posts
January 08 2013 03:34 GMT
#79
Great move by eSF, this basically ensures that the TSL players get the best deals/contracts.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 03:38:48
January 08 2013 03:36 GMT
#80
On January 08 2013 12:33 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 12:28 StarStruck wrote:
On January 08 2013 12:23 vthree wrote:
On January 08 2013 12:18 StarStruck wrote:
On January 08 2013 12:10 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
On January 08 2013 12:04 StarStruck wrote:


On January 08 2013 12:02 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
On January 08 2013 11:42 FXOBoSs wrote:
My thoughts are that this didnt need to be made public. Rather it should have been emailed to the foreign organisations and ESF organisations.

This is clearly a power stunt.


Yeah, Composing emails to every foreign team in the world that could possibly want to sponsor or pick up a player.

Boy, wouldn't that be convenient.

I have to agree with Josh when I say some things are better to be kept behind closed doors. ESF are flaunting their position.


Literally the only argument against making it public that has been argued in this thread is that it makes them look like they're showing off. So what? They did a good thing. They're allowed to be proud of you know, helping professional gamers. Its their duty..

Whereas the positives include a show of goodwill towards the online community, greater communication and transparency between foreign and korean bases and more opportunities for korean players to get employed by advertising them on a popular SC2 site.

Stop being so negative.


Some of you have this ridiculous notion in your head that everything in the business needs to be transparent when in fact it's none of our bloody business. On paper this is an open block. All they did was lock up these players from being picked up by the KeSPA teams as they could have. It limits their opportunities but it looks like they're willing to accept it.


And some of you have this ridiculous notion that the ONLY reason eSF is doing this is to block Kespa teams. It is not like posting here gives them the legal rights to the players. I am sure players like HyuN/Symbol (ex BW pros) have plenty of Kespa contacts if that is the way they want to go.

No, and not ALL things need to be transparent. However, if there were to email this to ALL the foreigner teams, it pretty much becomes public domain anyways, does it not?

Look what happened to ex-OGS players and ApeX. Do we really want a repeat of that?


I said there's a possibility. Don't put words in my mouth and no it doesn't because emails are private lol. When you share it with everyone else, that's when it becomes public.


" On paper this is an open block. All they did was lock up these players from being picked up by the KeSPA teams as they could have. "

I am putting words in your mouth? Please read what you wrote.

Yes, and things like player deals before getting finalized (private dealings) NEVER get leaked, right? If a player dealing with 2-3 teams can get leaked. What do you think if they sent an email to the 30+ foreign teams?


No that's the worst case scenario. I wouldn't send an e-shot to every team in the first place. I would ask each player for a list of teams they're interested in and go from there. There's a lot of bullshit teams out there and you want them to contact some of your favorites? Hell no man. I wouldn't let a player get screwed over when I'm acting as their agent.
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