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On March 17 2012 15:28 gonzaw wrote:Mmm, Just one more thing I noticed from the OP: Show nested quote +This is a Closed setup :D However there will be full role reveal upon death, so at least that’s something. It says it reveals the role, but doesn't say it reveals the alignment. So VE could have been RED, but his alignment didn't flip. I guess we can only confirm this with the next flips though.
The OP shows the role PMs containing faction color, so it just means that VE was black. We don't actually know if there's reds, or italics, or whatever other factions might exist in the game. We can assume there's another scum team though, no matter the color, simply because a sleeper cell team of four people is pretty underpowered in a big themed game like this.
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On March 17 2012 15:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 15:14 gonzaw wrote:On March 17 2012 14:38 Velinath wrote:On March 17 2012 14:35 sinani206 wrote:
Also, I want to give Wheatley to Drazerk, as he is pretty much confirmed town.
What's your reasoning here? A random before-any-posting dayvig shot doesn't really mean a lot - with a game with as many unique rules (and factions!) as this one, I don't see how we can confirm anyone town this early. Cool, do you have anything to say regarding Drazerk's comments? Here: On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote:
I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.
##Elect: Velinath On March 17 2012 10:11 Drazerk wrote:On March 17 2012 10:08 Maverick32x wrote:On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote:
I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.
##Elect: Velinath Geez, you really posted that rather quickly after he put his hat in there... I know you said that you'd like us to trust you.. but that's asking a lot.. I do appreciate Velinath's accountability though, more so than Gonzaw's... Honestly that was just bad timing as you can see I have been posting rapidly all game I chose to vote for Velinath for something he had already done and wanted myself to be the one to propose him. On March 17 2012 10:19 Drazerk wrote:On March 17 2012 10:17 Blazinghand wrote:On March 17 2012 10:11 Drazerk wrote:On March 17 2012 10:08 Maverick32x wrote:On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote:
I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.
##Elect: Velinath Geez, you really posted that rather quickly after he put his hat in there... I know you said that you'd like us to trust you.. but that's asking a lot.. I do appreciate Velinath's accountability though, more so than Gonzaw's... Honestly that was just bad timing as you can see I have been posting rapidly all game I chose to vote for Velinath for something he had already done and wanted myself to be the one to propose him. ...and.... we NEED to trust you? Come on, man, you can play better than this. So trigger happy, so poorly explained, on both your shot and your Elect vote. ;_; Let's get some serious cases here. Look, I promised to lower taxes, raise spending,a nd balance the budget. What's your case for Veli? Like a real case. I know he is the same as me or a DT. Either way I am certain he is not scum and so gets my vote and I want you to vote for him. No, don't tell me if you are Day-DT and checked him or not, I don't care. Just tell me if he's bullshitting or not, or if you have no idea what he's talking about. Lanaina, sinani, Zephird, what do you think about Blazinghand? And what do you think about Midnight? Any other thoughts/reads from you guys are welcomed @Grack: Do you really need lemons? Do they have something to do with your role, or are you just having some fun? On March 17 2012 15:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 17 2012 14:57 sinani206 wrote:On March 17 2012 14:39 Zephirdd wrote:On March 17 2012 14:35 sinani206 wrote:
Nice shot, Drazerk.
On to business.
I move we wait on the Kenpachi thing until we see if anyone else relates to the whole GLaDOS thing.
I would be willing to do what Kenpachi says if we can get some more information.
Also, I want to give Wheatley to Drazerk, as he is pretty much confirmed town.
(BTW mods, it's spelled Wheatley)
And Zephirdd is looking pretty scummy right now.
>agrees with my train of thought and then calls me scum >wants to leave the "mayor" role to the one person that said he didnt want it; plus the one person that did a very very questionable move shooting someone 1 hour into the day(even though he gave decent reasoning) You're fine sinani. OK first of all you're scum. Second of all, you're contradicting yourself by saying that he gave decent reasoning. It was a good shot and he almost definitely wouldn't have shot that early as scum and then claimed. He claimed after the flip, and not before. He didn't say, "I'm shooting VE", and then shot VE. Instead, he shot VE, then claimed after the flip. That is, he claimed only after we knew he killed an anti-town player. If he's scum and VE flipped town, there's no way he'd have claimed. If he's town, maybe, maybe not. Either way, he claimed after the flip, and that makes the fact of claiming the shot a null tell. To call him confirmed town for claiming is either jumping to conclusions, or trying to push a scumbuddy's status. So what do you think about the other things Drazerk did? For instance his "Don't vote me" thing, or the "I know Vel is town" statement, or him giving you an item? Also, Wiggles, anything else to contribute? @Kenpachi: Please stop spamming All of his actions are riding off of cryptic hints about his role, and that instantly makes me distrust it, same as for Kenpachi's claim. He only says to vote for him, or it might hurt the town. Then he says I'm not the same as him, but this other guy is the same as him or a DT, but we don't even know what he is, or what it means to be the same as him. Voting for the person he wants, only works if you actually believe everything he's saying for sure, and completely trust him. I don't, so I'm going to make my own read and vote for a person I think is town, and who I think is capable enough to use a power role without blowing up the town. I haven't received any notifications about him giving me an item. Can you link where he said that?
On March 17 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:21 Bluelightz wrote:
My eyes O_O, I think that Wiggles is town and trustable for the elections, vote for the wiggul cause! Wiggles is someone who should never win the election for several reasons 1) If he is scum we are screwed and there is no coming back 2) If he is town and it turns bad we are also screwed 3) I used an item on Wiggles and know he is not the same as me which makes me hesitant for anyone to vote for him without an excellent argument
In fact, he used an item on you, not gave you one. I thought you would get notified of it as well though
So, do you think Drazerk could have pulled all those "cryptic hints" as scum? Do you think he could have faked them?
On March 17 2012 15:31 Kenpachi wrote:
^ you're dumb. he flipped as a member of the Sleeper Cell. We can imply that hes part of the 3rd party because Sleeper Cell is a concept unfitting for a standard Mafia.
Is this game "standard Mafia"?
If you can tell me how a party whose win condition is "You have to outnumber the remaining players", that's not Cultst, is 3rd party; then I'm all ears.
Also, to Kenpachi/Drazerk:
If you are town, and have some cryptic/hidden thing about your role, then it will be best if you don't even mention it, since it will cause more confusion.
So either fully expand on it, giving us all the info; or just don't say anything, unless there's a (good) plan behind it.
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Blazinghand
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On March 17 2012 11:07 gonzaw wrote:
I get a bad feeling out of Blazinghand, specially with his cockyness.
This is because you are not very bright.
On March 17 2012 11:07 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:08 Blazinghand wrote:On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote:
I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.
##Elect: Velinath Why should we trust you? What reasons do you possibly have? My thoughts on you are "dayvig with poor trigger discipline" but I don't see how that qualifies you to make some sort of decision like this. Simply asking for people's trust without anything to back it up is completely meaningless, it doesn't add anything to your vote. ##Elect: blzinghandIf elected, I will lower taxes, raise spending, and balance the budget. Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:17 Blazinghand wrote:On March 17 2012 10:11 Drazerk wrote:On March 17 2012 10:08 Maverick32x wrote:On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote:
I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.
##Elect: Velinath Geez, you really posted that rather quickly after he put his hat in there... I know you said that you'd like us to trust you.. but that's asking a lot.. I do appreciate Velinath's accountability though, more so than Gonzaw's... Honestly that was just bad timing as you can see I have been posting rapidly all game I chose to vote for Velinath for something he had already done and wanted myself to be the one to propose him. ...and.... we NEED to trust you? Come on, man, you can play better than this. So trigger happy, so poorly explained, on both your shot and your Elect vote. ;_; Let's get some serious cases here. Look, I promised to lower taxes, raise spending,a nd balance the budget. What's your case for Veli? Like a real case. Do you think Drazerk is town or scum? What do you mean by "you can play better than this"? Are you assuming he's town? If so, why wouldn't you trust him on something that happens to be based on his role or actions with his items?
If Drazerk is town, that post will encourage him to play better. If he is scum, it puts pressure on him to be more helpful, which he does not want to do. This sort of post is the kind of thing I, and many players, use against someone who is suspicious but on whom we are unsure. By encouraging Drazerk to make a legitimate case for Veli, I caused him to make more definitive statements. Unfortunately, Drazerk is terrible and has... soft claimed... some kind of... Day alignment/role DT / Vigi or something. But yeah this should have been fairly obvious.
Now I guess the question is, where do you, gonzaw, stand on me? I see a lot of questions, and no statements.
In fact, I'm gonna break down the least useful investigative narrative I've ever seen in my nine long years playing TL Mafia here for you:
On March 17 2012 11:14 gonzaw wrote:
Also people, what do you guys think about Blazinghand, Wiggles and Drazerk?
On March 17 2012 15:14 gonzaw wrote:
Lanaina, sinani, Zephird, what do you think about Blazinghand?
And what do you think about Midnight?
Any other thoughts/reads from you guys are welcomed
On March 17 2012 15:21 gonzaw wrote:
Kay.
You know, I expect people to state their reasons whenever they say "I think X is town/scum", that way we don't waste thread space by asking you for them.
Either way, why do you think BH is town?
Things Gonzaw has done:
1) Asked for reads
2) Been indirect about it
3) Not stated what he thinks
So here's what I gotta say to you Gonzaw:
Maybe you don't like how I post. Maybe you can go sit on a carrot. If you think this isn't how a town player plays, well, sucks to be you I guess. If you really want to be helpful and want to interact me in this game, it doesn't matter whether or not my particular attitude is to your liking. I honestly don't care.
You just have to
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Blazinghand
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On March 17 2012 15:26 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 15:21 gonzaw wrote:On March 17 2012 15:18 Lanaia wrote:On March 17 2012 15:14 gonzaw wrote:
Lanaina, sinani, Zephird, what do you think about Blazinghand?
And what do you think about Midnight?
Any other thoughts/reads from you guys are welcomed
I have to reread midnight as he didn't stand out that well in my mind. Blazinghand I think is town. Kay. You know, I expect people to state their reasons whenever they say "I think X is town/scum", that way we don't waste thread space by asking you for them. Either way, why do you think BH is town? I didn't think it mattered as much when I think he's town, but... From what I've seen of him town in the past... Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:09 Blazinghand wrote:On March 17 2012 10:08 Maverick32x wrote:On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote:
I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory.
##Elect: Velinath Geez, you really posted that rather quickly after he put his hat in there... I know you said that you'd like us to trust you.. but that's asking a lot.. I do appreciate Velinath's accountability though, more so than Gonzaw's... Anybody who thinks seriously about electing Gonzaw should take some time to seriously consider what they're doing with their lives. Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:18 Blazinghand wrote:On March 17 2012 10:13 Jayjay54 wrote:
I agree. gonzaw is not a good candidate.
also, self voting is as stupid as it could be and should be ruled out in any mafia game as it basically undermines the purpose of an election on day 1: give information to town. Oh waht should I unvote? Look I think it's pretty clear that *I* am the best candidate. The other candidates seem pretty underwhelming to me, and Drazerk is about as useful as a bowling ball in a swimming pool at the moment. You should elect me. These things seem to be typical of him. He, from what I've seen, watches his mouth more as town, and I'm not getting that vibe from these posts.
1) you've never played a game with me as scum, so you have no idea what you're talking about
2) I'm an asshole in literally every game I play.
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its not standard mafia game. i was referring to the team set up (language sucks) and Wiggles nailed it in his post.
I cant give more info than i get the superpower if the conditions are met and the restrictions are followed (or ill be modkilled).
so srs vote glados. i dont see how it could hurt town at all. What more could i offer? oh i have an item. ill give it to the election winner regardless of who it is if i reach majority for killing GLaDOS.
nothing else i can do except get trust. But im more than capable of using analysis when im town and focused.
But thats all words, the sooner we kill GLaDOS, the better for town itll become. I am indeed BEGGING for you guys to comply to my wish but if i cant get majority, there is no loss involved because im completely town oriented.
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BH lets be assholes together. we will conquer town with the self proclaimed 3rd party
Blazing Kenpachi Party. our motto would be familiar to the Italian guy you know and love
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Me ne frego
Our Win condition? we win with town
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and we kill GLaDOS. That is the main point our party would advocate if my selfless begging gets us nowhere
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 17 2012 15:48 Kenpachi wrote:
its not standard mafia game. i was referring to the team set up (language sucks) and Wiggles nailed it in his post.
I cant give more info than i get the superpower if the conditions are met and the restrictions are followed (or ill be modkilled).
so srs vote glados. i dont see how it could hurt town at all. What more could i offer? oh i have an item. ill give it to the election winner regardless of who it is if i reach majority for killing GLaDOS.
nothing else i can do except get trust. But im more than capable of using analysis when im town and focused.
But thats all words, the sooner we kill GLaDOS, the better for town itll become. I am indeed BEGGING for you guys to comply to my wish but if i cant get majority, there is no loss involved because im completely town oriented.
Right, but imagine instead of Kenpachi you're blzinghand, and you're seeing this Kenpachi guy saying this. now as blzinghand you're a sexy beast
+ Show Spoiler +
Now you look over and see Kenpachi and you dont know what hes doing, maybe he's a secret mafia scum mafiascum and has a special power he needs town to activate him. So you want to wait and see if he does town things. he is not sexy, suave, and debonair like you
instead of just doing what he says cause you don't understnad, you wait and see if he seems town. there's not much to go on now
Does this make sense?
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On March 17 2012 15:28 gonzaw wrote:Mmm, Just one more thing I noticed from the OP: Show nested quote +This is a Closed setup :D However there will be full role reveal upon death, so at least that’s something. It says it reveals the role, but doesn't say it reveals the alignment. So VE could have been RED, but his alignment didn't flip. I guess we can only confirm this with the next flips though.
Alignment is included in flip.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 17 2012 15:51 Kenpachi wrote:BH lets be assholes together. we will conquer town with the self proclaimed 3rd party Blazing Kenpachi Party. our motto would be familiar to the Italian guy you know and love Me ne fregoOur Win condition? we win with town
I take it all back
##vote: glados
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 17 2012 10:01 GreYMisT wrote:
Remember to post your votes in the voting annex.
Where is the voting annex
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On March 17 2012 15:45 Blazinghand wrote:
If Drazerk is town, that post will encourage him to play better. If he is scum, it puts pressure on him to be more helpful, which he does not want to do. This sort of post is the kind of thing I, and many players, use against someone who is suspicious but on whom we are unsure. By encouraging Drazerk to make a legitimate case for Veli, I caused him to make more definitive statements. Unfortunately, Drazerk is terrible and has... soft claimed... some kind of... Day alignment/role DT / Vigi or something. But yeah this should have been fairly obvious.
Didn't sound like it from the way you worded it though.
"Pleading" someone to step up their game doens't seem like an efficient way of pressuring him, but well, you have your methods.
Now I guess the question is, where do you, gonzaw, stand on me? I see a lot of questions, and no statements.
After Lanaia pointed it out, I checked Resistance 2 again, and your attitude this game is different from that one, so I'll let it pass.
Your aggresive play just reminded me of the play of other veterans of TL in previous games as scum, but now that I see it it's just you being an asshole, which I guess is a townie trait.
You are null to me now, and I'd want you to make more contributions instead of being that overly-aggresive (which can work in the right situations), and paint people suspicious without directly stating so, like this:
Things Gonzaw has done:
1) Asked for reads
2) Been indirect about it
3) Not stated what he thinks
So, does that make me suspicious or just "not bright"? You should probably clarify things.
Also I think you missed that post with my reads, go check it.
Maybe you don't like how I post. Maybe you can go sit on a carrot. If you think this isn't how a town player plays, well, sucks to be you I guess. If you really want to be helpful and want to interact me in this game, it doesn't matter whether or not my particular attitude is to your liking. I honestly don't care.
Did I hit a nerve?
Dude, I don't care.
I just want to figure out if you are town or scum, and if you are town try to make you not clog shit up to make the thread easier to read.
@Kenpachi:
Until someone comes out and gives us ANY info about what GLaDOS is in this game, I doubt anybody will follow that.
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thats a shallow way to view my hidden beauty. You should know that there isnt anything town to do at this very moment in time. you must be very patient and trustful on the ones you believe have innate potential. We would make the ultimate team to carry this town to victory. I have been very patient and trustful towards you, as i am waiting for you to contribute the exact same thing you want from me. so hearts to me and hearts to you, lets carry this game with our combined might.
Blazing Kenpachi Party
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 17 2012 15:58 gonzaw wrote:
So, does that make me suspicious or just "not bright"? You should probably clarify things.
Also I think you missed that post with my reads, go check it.
I'm gonna go with "not bright"
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On March 17 2012 15:57 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 10:01 GreYMisT wrote:
Remember to post your votes in the voting annex. Where is the voting annex
Voting Annex
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On March 17 2012 15:56 GreYMisT wrote:
Alignment is included in flip.
Nevermind.
Anyways, "scum" or "3rd party", we need to kill them, so it doesn't make any difference
On March 17 2012 16:02 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 15:58 gonzaw wrote:
So, does that make me suspicious or just "not bright"? You should probably clarify things.
Also I think you missed that post with my reads, go check it.
I'm gonna go with "not bright"
See? We are getting somewhere now.
Now that this misunderstanding is settled BH, let me do that "ask for reads" routine and.....ask for your reads:
What do you think about Wiggles?
And what about Midnight? You probed him with a question, but never dwelled back on it, so I guess his answer satisfied you perhaps?
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Thanks! I got confused in the OP because the thing is underlined, but not hyperlinked.
On March 09 2012 15:36 GreYMisT wrote:Voting rules: 1. Voting is done in a separate thread. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will
Also, ##vote Cyber_Cheese
I've done a 37-game survey of Cyber_Cheese games, and over the course of the last 17 years in 95% of cases where he was scum I voted him like this. I recommend him as D1 lynch.
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Wauw, wake up and start reading the thread. Instant dayvig.
And VE 3rd party again lol.
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Just wanted to clarify when I said we know that a third party is in the game, i.e. the sleeper cell, I should have said that this game is multi-factional. That is what I meant. As third-party suggest one lone person trying to win by themselves, so I was mistaken by saying that.
Regardless of Drazerk's motivations for the vig shot, town is in a good spot and has more information. His reasoning behind the shot is sound.
I am going to vote Dirk Hardpec until he posts something and stops lurking.
Also I like Velinath for Wheatley right now. Everyone voting themselves aren't really helping much.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
My win con has changed - Velinath for Wheatley is now a horrific thing and we must not let it happen.
Also do NOT let kenpachi get super powers why on earth would you even help him do that.
##unelect: Velinath
##elect: Blazinghand
Also I now need an item so if you give me one I will love you forever.
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