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- We should lynch every day. - no policy lynching lurkers, but if we can not find a better target, a lurker lynch is acceptable. however, as long as the first 24 hours have not passed, i will not accuse anyone of lurking - posting from a mobile sucks. - TerraNova is really eager to FoS
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On March 12 2012 02:02 phagga wrote: - We should lynch every day. - no policy lynching lurkers, but if we can not find a better target, a lurker lynch is acceptable. however, as long as the first 24 hours have not passed, i will not accuse anyone of lurking - posting from a mobile sucks. - TerraNova is really eager to FoS at least im not immediately trying to lynch him. it just makes sense that i want him to clarify and defend.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 12 2012 01:51 Seviro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 20:18 Nova_Terra wrote:
Please explain yourself. I dont like cosines play so far, his only post comes after someone accusing him of lurking. not only does he not bring anything new to the table, he confuses us and discredits others post (tofus) and calls it stupid.
Here I don't see how he is different than you about posting just after being accusiing of lurking since your first post was just after FirmTOfu called the current people in the game that hadn't post at this time Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 17:36 Nova_Terra wrote:Hey, Sorry, I was asleep for the last 8 hours and just woke up I agree with always pushing a lynch as long as there is aome evidence that shows that the person is likely to be scum. for instance lurkers, bad defenders, etc. i also agree with a no lynch as long as there is overwhelming evidence that shows lynch candidates as being townies. But I guess you're right since he didn't post at all since then, where you have. I just think that FOSing someone this early in the game (8 hour ago was early I mean) after only a single post is a bit suspicious but I do agree that he is not clear of suspicion with his one post, not worth a FOS yet though
I agree with this post, it seems NovaTerra is eager to FoS despite how early in the game it was, which seems a little suspicious. But, it is most likely just a pressure play, to get the discussion rolling, and people talking. On the other hand, cosines slip is a bit odd as well. Not defending it makes it very suspicious for sure so I would like to hear a reply from him before I commit to any FoS or further discuss what I think of him.
Also for the non-posters I would like to hear their thoughts too. Although remember this is a noobie game and probably many players first, so they might not even know the game started. They should start showing up pretty soon I would say.
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On March 12 2012 02:33 Mementoss wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 12 2012 01:51 Seviro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 20:18 Nova_Terra wrote:
Please explain yourself. I dont like cosines play so far, his only post comes after someone accusing him of lurking. not only does he not bring anything new to the table, he confuses us and discredits others post (tofus) and calls it stupid.
Here I don't see how he is different than you about posting just after being accusiing of lurking since your first post was just after FirmTOfu called the current people in the game that hadn't post at this time Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 17:36 Nova_Terra wrote:Hey, Sorry, I was asleep for the last 8 hours and just woke up I agree with always pushing a lynch as long as there is aome evidence that shows that the person is likely to be scum. for instance lurkers, bad defenders, etc. i also agree with a no lynch as long as there is overwhelming evidence that shows lynch candidates as being townies. But I guess you're right since he didn't post at all since then, where you have. I just think that FOSing someone this early in the game (8 hour ago was early I mean) after only a single post is a bit suspicious but I do agree that he is not clear of suspicion with his one post, not worth a FOS yet though I agree with this post, it seems NovaTerra is eager to FoS despite how early in the game it was, which seems a little suspicious. But, it is most likely just a pressure play, to get the discussion rolling, and people talking. On the other hand, cosines slip is a bit odd as well. Not defending it makes it very suspicious for sure so I would like to hear a reply from him before I commit to any FoS or further discuss what I think of him. Also for the non-posters I would like to hear their thoughts too. Although remember this is a noobie game and probably many players first, so they might not even know the game started. They should start showing up pretty soon I would say.
Isnt that exactly what i said? i just want him to start posting and defend himself. I dont/didnt consider FOS a big commitment, sorry if i confused anyone and made it seem like i was gonna vote him. i still think hes totally suspicious for all the things i just said.
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Just got back from church, and caught up. I was honestly hoping for a little more activity.
Of course, I don't like that we still have 3 total non-posters around. We're almost 18 hours into Day 1, so hopefully they all show up soon.
And as for the scum slip of Cosine, I'm not sure if it was a slip or an honest newbie mistake with terms. I'll have to wait on his response before I can make a decent read on the situation.
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On March 12 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
Isnt that exactly what i said? i just want him to start posting and defend himself. I dont/didnt consider FOS a big commitment, sorry if i confused anyone and made it seem like i was gonna vote him. i still think hes totally suspicious for all the things i just said.
Yeah sorry, I just thought that FOS someoned base on a single post was a bit over reacting but I understand that you were in fact just stating that he was suspicious and as the day pass I agree more and more since he didn't post since then.
Right now it's hard to make a decision though because there is many people that didn't post yet or if they did they just stated their position on the "no lynch/random lynch topics". We need more contribution to not make a mistake on our first lynch (if we decide to lynch that is)
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On March 12 2012 04:38 Janaan wrote: Just got back from church, and caught up. I was honestly hoping for a little more activity.
Of course, I don't like that we still have 3 total non-posters around. We're almost 18 hours into Day 1, so hopefully they all show up soon.
And as for the scum slip of Cosine, I'm not sure if it was a slip or an honest newbie mistake with terms. I'll have to wait on his response before I can make a decent read on the situation.
Yeah I agree, he was maybe just stating his opinion in a very bad manner. but it's been almost 12 hour since then and he didn't do anythind to defend himself nor did he post anything at all so now he is getting more and more suspicious in eyes as the time pass.
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On March 12 2012 04:48 Seviro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 04:38 Janaan wrote: Just got back from church, and caught up. I was honestly hoping for a little more activity.
Of course, I don't like that we still have 3 total non-posters around. We're almost 18 hours into Day 1, so hopefully they all show up soon.
And as for the scum slip of Cosine, I'm not sure if it was a slip or an honest newbie mistake with terms. I'll have to wait on his response before I can make a decent read on the situation. Yeah I agree, he was maybe just stating his opinion in a very bad manner. but it's been almost 12 hour since then and he didn't do anythind to defend himself nor did he post anything at all so now he is getting more and more suspicious in eyes as the time pass. Yeah. I usually don't like making judgements based on people not posting since I don't know if they have a legit reason for not being at a computer, but it is getting to be a bit long. There's not a whole lot more that can be said about it for now, though. We'll just have to wait for his answer. We can only hope it comes soon.
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On March 12 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 02:33 Mementoss wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 12 2012 01:51 Seviro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 20:18 Nova_Terra wrote:
Please explain yourself. I dont like cosines play so far, his only post comes after someone accusing him of lurking. not only does he not bring anything new to the table, he confuses us and discredits others post (tofus) and calls it stupid.
Here I don't see how he is different than you about posting just after being accusiing of lurking since your first post was just after FirmTOfu called the current people in the game that hadn't post at this time Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 17:36 Nova_Terra wrote:Hey, Sorry, I was asleep for the last 8 hours and just woke up I agree with always pushing a lynch as long as there is aome evidence that shows that the person is likely to be scum. for instance lurkers, bad defenders, etc. i also agree with a no lynch as long as there is overwhelming evidence that shows lynch candidates as being townies. But I guess you're right since he didn't post at all since then, where you have. I just think that FOSing someone this early in the game (8 hour ago was early I mean) after only a single post is a bit suspicious but I do agree that he is not clear of suspicion with his one post, not worth a FOS yet though I agree with this post, it seems NovaTerra is eager to FoS despite how early in the game it was, which seems a little suspicious. But, it is most likely just a pressure play, to get the discussion rolling, and people talking. On the other hand, cosines slip is a bit odd as well. Not defending it makes it very suspicious for sure so I would like to hear a reply from him before I commit to any FoS or further discuss what I think of him. Also for the non-posters I would like to hear their thoughts too. Although remember this is a noobie game and probably many players first, so they might not even know the game started. They should start showing up pretty soon I would say. Isnt that exactly what i said? i just want him to start posting and defend himself. I dont/didnt consider FOS a big commitment, sorry if i confused anyone and made it seem like i was gonna vote him. i still think hes totally suspicious for all the things i just said.
Re-reading I missed this quote from you "i definitely think it is worth an FOS seeing as nothing else was happening and i want him to clarify it up. its not like i voted for him yet or anything.". Which does show that what you were saying was just a pressure play. The original post however just seemed a bit more aggressive. Initially when I read over it, it just seemed like a newbie mistake, not understanding the acronym. As time goes on, without a response it is getting more suspicious. Can't really take that any further until we get a response.
Also there is another odd post that I would like to point out.
On March 11 2012 21:43 Eleanthas wrote: Ok. Just got first chance to get on computer. And I think that we should lynch lurker maybe. They are anyways pretty worthless if they don't speak.
This is his only post. To put this in context it was about an hour and a half after NovaTerras post about cosine. He comes in posts a one liner, that completely ignores the discussion at hand, cosine case, and wants to commit to lynching a lurker, rather than making a case to lynch. Lynching a lurker is a good town decision if there is no case at the end of the day, but purposing it as the correct option at the start of the day is scummy. Mafia can avoid getting lynched just by being active and letting a townie lurker die and get 2 for 1 on day 1.
Either he is just skimming the thread, or trying to take the attention off of the cosine case by just ignoring it. Also its ironic that he wants to lynch a lurker, yet he only has 2 lines above the people who didn't post anything at all. I would like to hear his opinion on the cosine case at hand.
Where my head lies right now in terms of suspicion is:
1. cosine 2. Eleanthas 3. Inferookami, Sbrubbles, koritora (aka the "lurkers")
Am interested in hearing responses from all the above. Day 1 is a tough day for town and only by being active and making topics of discussion will we be able to weed out the scum.
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On March 12 2012 06:06 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote:On March 12 2012 02:33 Mementoss wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 12 2012 01:51 Seviro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 20:18 Nova_Terra wrote:
Please explain yourself. I dont like cosines play so far, his only post comes after someone accusing him of lurking. not only does he not bring anything new to the table, he confuses us and discredits others post (tofus) and calls it stupid.
Here I don't see how he is different than you about posting just after being accusiing of lurking since your first post was just after FirmTOfu called the current people in the game that hadn't post at this time Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 17:36 Nova_Terra wrote:Hey, Sorry, I was asleep for the last 8 hours and just woke up I agree with always pushing a lynch as long as there is aome evidence that shows that the person is likely to be scum. for instance lurkers, bad defenders, etc. i also agree with a no lynch as long as there is overwhelming evidence that shows lynch candidates as being townies. But I guess you're right since he didn't post at all since then, where you have. I just think that FOSing someone this early in the game (8 hour ago was early I mean) after only a single post is a bit suspicious but I do agree that he is not clear of suspicion with his one post, not worth a FOS yet though I agree with this post, it seems NovaTerra is eager to FoS despite how early in the game it was, which seems a little suspicious. But, it is most likely just a pressure play, to get the discussion rolling, and people talking. On the other hand, cosines slip is a bit odd as well. Not defending it makes it very suspicious for sure so I would like to hear a reply from him before I commit to any FoS or further discuss what I think of him. Also for the non-posters I would like to hear their thoughts too. Although remember this is a noobie game and probably many players first, so they might not even know the game started. They should start showing up pretty soon I would say. Isnt that exactly what i said? i just want him to start posting and defend himself. I dont/didnt consider FOS a big commitment, sorry if i confused anyone and made it seem like i was gonna vote him. i still think hes totally suspicious for all the things i just said. Re-reading I missed this quote from you "i definitely think it is worth an FOS seeing as nothing else was happening and i want him to clarify it up. its not like i voted for him yet or anything.". Which does show that what you were saying was just a pressure play. The original post however just seemed a bit more aggressive. Initially when I read over it, it just seemed like a newbie mistake, not understanding the acronym. As time goes on, without a response it is getting more suspicious. Can't really take that any further until we get a response. Also there is another odd post that I would like to point out. Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 21:43 Eleanthas wrote: Ok. Just got first chance to get on computer. And I think that we should lynch lurker maybe. They are anyways pretty worthless if they don't speak. This is his only post. To put this in context it was about an hour and a half after NovaTerras post about cosine. He comes in posts a one liner, that completely ignores the discussion at hand, cosine case, and wants to commit to lynching a lurker, rather than making a case to lynch. Lynching a lurker is a good town decision if there is no case at the end of the day, but purposing it as the correct option at the start of the day is scummy. Mafia can avoid getting lynched just by being active and letting a townie lurker die and get 2 for 1 on day 1. Either he is just skimming the thread, or trying to take the attention off of the cosine case by just ignoring it. Also its ironic that he wants to lynch a lurker, yet he only has 2 lines above the people who didn't post anything at all. I would like to hear his opinion on the cosine case at hand. Where my head lies right now in terms of suspicion is: 1. cosine 2. Eleanthas 3. Inferookami, Sbrubbles, koritora (aka the "lurkers") Am interested in hearing responses from all the above. Day 1 is a tough day for town and only by being active and making topics of discussion will we be able to weed out the scum.
I was trying to make it seem to him like i was aggressive against it in hopes that he would post quickly if lurking. Also, i picked up on the Eleanthas thing as well, but didnt really want to mention that as well. i agree with your suspicion list currently.
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On March 11 2012 23:50 Nova_Terra wrote: Where cosine at.... i want him to respond to my suspicions hold your horses buddy i live in a different timezone. i think you're reading a bit too much into my post, i'll try to clarify.
when i said sometimes it's good to no lynch in lylo, i think there was some confusion. idk what terminology is used here. maybe mylo? basically i meant in a lategame situation where the town can potentially throw the game away with a mislynch, but has killed enough scum already to eat a nightkill, especially if it means town power-roles get another shot. i was talking about a very specific scenario, so maybe i shouldn't have qualified my statement at all. so let me be clear, lynch is always better than no lynch.
and i didn't post because i was called out for lurking, i posted because i was about to go to bed and that's always when i check mafia threads. the day hadn't even started last time i checked the thread. i'll be here with more frequency now that the game is going.
see sloosh's play in newbie mini mafia IV. says nothing when it doesnt matter. once the discussion gets more substantive does he appear and work the town.
idk what point you're trying to make here. i made a very general statement, and you countered with an extremely specific example, with which i'm not familiar.
hope this clarifies things. i don't know what FOS means yet, i'm going now to check all the terminology that's used in liquid mafia, but i have to say i've read your posts and i like your play, as long as you don't get tunnel vision on me. pressure is a good way to get the discussion rolling. and isn't much better to build cases on people's posts instead of the lack thereof? that was the only point i was trying to make when i called tofu's call for a lurkerlynch stupid.
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On March 12 2012 06:38 cosine wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 23:50 Nova_Terra wrote: Where cosine at.... i want him to respond to my suspicions hold your horses buddy i live in a different timezone. i think you're reading a bit too much into my post, i'll try to clarify. when i said sometimes it's good to no lynch in lylo, i think there was some confusion. idk what terminology is used here. maybe mylo? basically i meant in a lategame situation where the town can potentially throw the game away with a mislynch, but has killed enough scum already to eat a nightkill, especially if it means town power-roles get another shot. i was talking about a very specific scenario, so maybe i shouldn't have qualified my statement at all. so let me be clear, lynch is always better than no lynch. and i didn't post because i was called out for lurking, i posted because i was about to go to bed and that's always when i check mafia threads. the day hadn't even started last time i checked the thread. i'll be here with more frequency now that the game is going. Show nested quote +see sloosh's play in newbie mini mafia IV. says nothing when it doesnt matter. once the discussion gets more substantive does he appear and work the town. idk what point you're trying to make here. i made a very general statement, and you countered with an extremely specific example, with which i'm not familiar. hope this clarifies things. i don't know what FOS means yet, i'm going now to check all the terminology that's used in liquid mafia, but i have to say i've read your posts and i like your play, as long as you don't get tunnel vision on me. pressure is a good way to get the discussion rolling. and isn't much better to build cases on people's posts instead of the lack thereof? that was the only point i was trying to make when i called tofu's call for a lurkerlynch stupid.
This clarifies things substantially. Lylo: a situation where town must lynch mafia or they lose. FoS: finger of suspicion. Basically trying to get you to post to defend yourself.
The point i was trying to make about sloosh's play was that that other playstyle should not be overlooked, as it was a vexing position to be in as town.
Thanks for the compliment about liking my play, if you meant/included me in that statement. feels nice as i've been trying to justify my apparently hastily made Finger of Suspicion. Dont think that flattery will change anything on my end though. I'll be watching... I agree with building cases on peoples posts rather than the alternative, but i am confused as to why you didnt say just that. To me it came across as if you were trying to make his post seem invalid in the eyes of others by calling it stupid. in the games i have read through, this played a big part in how the town functioned around some certain players.
unrelated side note, I have a nasty trigonometry class tomorrow, might need your help cosine xD
All jokes aside, I think cosine is relatively cleared of suspicion for the most part. Next, eleanthus (or something along the lines of that): The main thing that bugged me about his post was just the "lynching lurkers maybe" thing. was wishy-washy, he presented nothing new to us and we couldnt even be sure of what his decision was. also, it slightly irked me that he totally seemed to ignore pretty much everything that had happened so far. I dont find it extremely suspicious or anything, but i want him to make a nice big post like cosine's so we can read into his thoughts so far.
Lastly, Lurkers and/or lurker lynches. In this case, if we cant get anything out of eleanthus, then he is likely to be the candidate of choice for lynching. however, in the high probability chance of him doing exactly what cosine did, and having no other major scum slips come out of anyone, we will likely be put into the situation where we have to lynch one of these three to avoid a no lynch. Can i propose that we should decide which one of these three (or eleanthus) we should lynch no less than 8 hours before the deadline? this means that there wont be any last minute scrambling that results in a no lynch, and also provides enough of a time buffer that we should all be able to get votes in on that person before the deadline. This also leaves them plenty of time to come back and post before this decision. Reasonable? okay, im out for the night, see you all in a few hours.
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On March 12 2012 06:38 cosine wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 23:50 Nova_Terra wrote: Where cosine at.... i want him to respond to my suspicions hold your horses buddy i live in a different timezone. i think you're reading a bit too much into my post, i'll try to clarify. when i said sometimes it's good to no lynch in lylo, i think there was some confusion. idk what terminology is used here. maybe mylo? basically i meant in a lategame situation where the town can potentially throw the game away with a mislynch, but has killed enough scum already to eat a nightkill, especially if it means town power-roles get another shot. i was talking about a very specific scenario, so maybe i shouldn't have qualified my statement at all. so let me be clear, lynch is always better than no lynch. and i didn't post because i was called out for lurking, i posted because i was about to go to bed and that's always when i check mafia threads. the day hadn't even started last time i checked the thread. i'll be here with more frequency now that the game is going.
That's about what I was expecting. I'm getting a newbie town read from this right now, but I still want to see more from you. What do you think about Eleanthas's post?
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I'm in agreeance to making a soft voting deadline, as a no lynch can really hurt town on day 1, and it can be hard to get enough activity to get everyone voting on the same page. 8 hours is a good soft deadline to at least put in some votes and where your standing and allows for some discussion for people whose time zones co- interact. Just to make sure of the voting deadline... is it March 13th, 1045 KST (time on top of TL)?
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I'm ok with a vote deadline, as long as people are willing to reconsider their preliminary vote if necessary. 8 hours is probably a decent deadline, any earlier and it becomes too irrelevant to the actual vote deadline, though.
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I'm slightly confused as to why having a no lynch situation is a bad idea. Wouldn't it be better to no potentially kill off one of the townies and see what the mafia decides to do on the first night?
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On March 12 2012 08:16 InfernOokami7 wrote: I'm slightly confused as to why having a no lynch situation is a bad idea. Wouldn't it be better to no potentially kill off one of the townies and see what the mafia decides to do on the first night? The idea is that you can look at the way people voted. How they voted, their reasoning, when in the day they voted, etc. and can maybe get an idea of why they voted that way. If, for instance, someone bandwagoned onto a vote without any reasoning, that could be reason for suspicion.
Also, if you no lynch, you're essentially giving up a chance to find potential mafia.
Are you in favor of a 100% no lynch day 1 strategy, or are there situations where you'd lynch on day 1?
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I'm not 100% in favor of a no lynch on day 1 as long as there is a reasonable amount of suspicion for someone. I just didn't see the point in voting to lynch someone if the reason wasn't there because instead of just giving the mafia a free pass for the night, you're giving them a 2 for 1 deal instead.
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However, I guess that loss is a little less substantial in the early rounds compared to the later rounds.
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On March 12 2012 06:38 cosine wrote:hold your horses buddy i live in a different timezone. i think you're reading a bit too much into my post, i'll try to clarify. when i said sometimes it's good to no lynch in lylo, i think there was some confusion. idk what terminology is used here. maybe mylo? basically i meant in a lategame situation where the town can potentially throw the game away with a mislynch, but has killed enough scum already to eat a nightkill, especially if it means town power-roles get another shot. i was talking about a very specific scenario, so maybe i shouldn't have qualified my statement at all. so let me be clear, lynch is always better than no lynch. and i didn't post because i was called out for lurking, i posted because i was about to go to bed and that's always when i check mafia threads. the day hadn't even started last time i checked the thread. i'll be here with more frequency now that the game is going. Show nested quote +see sloosh's play in newbie mini mafia IV. says nothing when it doesnt matter. once the discussion gets more substantive does he appear and work the town. idk what point you're trying to make here. i made a very general statement, and you countered with an extremely specific example, with which i'm not familiar. hope this clarifies things. i don't know what FOS means yet, i'm going now to check all the terminology that's used in liquid mafia, but i have to say i've read your posts and i like your play, as long as you don't get tunnel vision on me. pressure is a good way to get the discussion rolling. and isn't much better to build cases on people's posts instead of the lack thereof? that was the only point i was trying to make when i called tofu's call for a lurkerlynch stupid.
I don't see how you can know about the specific scenario you presented in such detail, and yet, not know what FOS or even LYLO stand for. Again a few lines down you say you are not familiar with another specific example, yet you made a very specific one in the first place. You're still very suspicious in my book.
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