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koritora
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koritora
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5775 Posts
It's hard to read someone based on the first half of the first day. On this whole Nova Terra/Cosine discussion, the only thing that stood out to me was Nova Terra's behavior, accusing and pushing on cosine (in a somewhat impatient manner), turning defensive when he's called out on it and then forgiving cosine after his post, seeming willing to go to the next topic. Being overly aggressive is not a usual day 1 mafia trait, but quickly turning defensive if called out some something is. Still, he is being active, so time will tell whether it was just a bit of town inexperience/carelessness or something more. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5775 Posts
On March 12 2012 10:22 koritora wrote: However, to lynch a lurker is not a bad thing. It's not helping anyone in the town. As for people against lynching on the Day 1, that's where my suspicion lies. Sure, Koritora, we could single out Inferno (or whoever you're actually referring to) for not being dead set on lynching without cause, but I don't think this is scum behavior per se. The fact that he actually has an opinion and wrote a bit on it, though, is good for singling him out if he does have a scummy attitude later on. Your post, on the other hand, doesn't add anything to the discussion and doesn't even have enough content so that we can use it to analyse you later on. So, how about putting a little more effort? | ||
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cosine
313 Posts
On March 12 2012 07:16 Nova_Terra wrote: This clarifies things substantially. Lylo: a situation where town must lynch mafia or they lose. FoS: finger of suspicion. Basically trying to get you to post to defend yourself. Thanks, i was def using lylo wrong, but i had figured fos from context. still helps to know for sure. The point i was trying to make about sloosh's play was that that other playstyle should not be overlooked, as it was a vexing position to be in as town. i'm still not sure what you're trying to argue. i said i'm against day 1 lurker lynches, partially because scum have less reason to lurk day 1, and you're arguing for a day 1 lurker lynch because a scum once lurked day 1? we can't just gamble that one of the lurkers is playing sloosh's gambit, especially since we have enough activity in the thread to make real cases on people who are posting. I agree with building cases on peoples posts rather than the alternative, but i am confused as to why you didnt say just that. To me it came across as if you were trying to make his post seem invalid in the eyes of others by calling it stupid. that wasn't my intention, i'm just strongly against day 1 lurker lynches so i probably didn't word that response to tofu as well as i could have. unrelated side note, I have a nasty trigonometry class tomorrow, might need your help cosine xD if we weren't in a game together, i'd tell you to pm me. i was actually a math tutor for many years  Can i propose that we should decide which one of these three (or eleanthus) we should lynch no less than 8 hours before the deadline? this means that there wont be any last minute scrambling that results in a no lynch, and also provides enough of a time buffer that we should all be able to get votes in on that person before the deadline. This also leaves them plenty of time to come back and post before this decision. Reasonable? i'd say it's very reasonable that we start building consensus ~8 hours before deadline. On March 12 2012 07:21 Janaan wrote:That's about what I was expecting. I'm getting a newbie town read from this right now, but I still want to see more from you. What do you think about Eleanthas's post? i missed eleanthas' post before, but i don't like it at all. there's a time when town needs to start considering lurker lynches, and day 1 is definitely not it. so already i'm a bit suspicious of anyone calling for one. besides that though, i just can't help reading el's post as a scum throwing in a noncommittal 2 bits, just to post. i'd never throw down a vote off one post, but looking through the post histories now, eleanthas' is the one that's most pinging my scumdetector. if we don't hear more from him soon he's my #1 pick for today. On March 12 2012 08:40 InfernOokami7 wrote: I'm not 100% in favor of a no lynch on day 1 as long as there is a reasonable amount of suspicion for someone. I just didn't see the point in voting to lynch someone if the reason wasn't there because instead of just giving the mafia a free pass for the night, you're giving them a 2 for 1 deal instead. please follow your line of thinking through to conclusion. if we no lynch day 1, then what? the scum are given a chance to nightkill. now what's our plan for day 2? how could it be different from day 1? statistically we'd still be likely to lynch town, so do we no lynch again day 2? when does it stop? well, it would stop when the scum won the game because we never even tried to lynch them. "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take..." On March 12 2012 10:03 Gossemerr wrote:I don't see how you can know about the specific scenario you presented in such detail, and yet, not know what FOS or even LYLO stand for. Again a few lines down you say you are not familiar with another specific example, yet you made a very specific one in the first place. You're still very suspicious in my book. do you not understand the difference between a scenario and an example? my specific scenario is something that could potentially occur in any game of mafia--it's hypothetical. nova terra's example was something that accured in a single specific game of mafia that i didn't read. how could i not be unfamiliar with it? | ||
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InfernOokami7
United States7 Posts
I was under the impression that once you had cast a vote it was permanent, but looking through a previous thread I saw that you can unvote and change your decision. | ||
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ZBot
194 Posts
Current votes: Not voting: FirmTofu, Nova_Terra, Eleanthas, cosine, koritora, Gossemerr, Mementoss, Janaan, Seviro, InfernOokami7, Sbrubbles, phagga The Day deadline is at 2012-03-13 12:00:00. (That's approximately 23:59:38 from now.) | ||
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InfernOokami7
United States7 Posts
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Seviro
Canada98 Posts
On March 12 2012 11:30 cosine wrote: please follow your line of thinking through to conclusion. if we no lynch day 1, then what? the scum are given a chance to nightkill. now what's our plan for day 2? how could it be different from day 1? statistically we'd still be likely to lynch town, so do we no lynch again day 2? when does it stop? well, it would stop when the scum won the game because we never even tried to lynch them. "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take..." Yeah but even in a no lynch scenario we can have some good information since we have an active enough town. Whatever we decide we can start to see the people that seems to stand out of the group, who bangwagon, etc. I agree though that a lynch with strong argument would be a lot better but right now I don't have enough suspicion on anyone to vote someone. As for the deadline I think that it's a good idea to make clear what we decide to do some hour before the actual deadline so that we can note who vote on vote and discuss based on that. If i'm correct we have about 22 hour left of day time so I suggest that we come out with a decision in 13 to 15 hour if we want to have a bit of time before the night. P.S. I reread my first post and I want to clarify that I stated a random lynch because I was afraid to have a not very active day 1 and I wanted to make it clear that if we were to lynch someone we had to discuss it in depth. | ||
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koritora
6 Posts
On March 12 2012 10:46 Sbrubbles wrote: We have Koritora, Phagga, Elean and Inferno lurking as of this moment. Sure, Koritora, we could single out Inferno (or whoever you're actually referring to) for not being dead set on lynching without cause, but I don't think this is scum behavior per se. The fact that he actually has an opinion and wrote a bit on it, though, is good for singling him out if he does have a scummy attitude later on. Your post, on the other hand, doesn't add anything to the discussion and doesn't even have enough content so that we can use it to analyse you later on. So, how about putting a little more effort? Well it would be better to narrow the field of suspects down. I am for lurker lynching since it wouldn't effect the town, but since all the lurkers have come out of hiding, then that is not really up for discussion. Random lynchings, however, aren't really fair in nature. Suitable claims and other evidence is necessary. | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
On March 12 2012 10:45 Sbrubbles wrote: Sup guys! My first post in this game, sorry it took so late! It's hard to read someone based on the first half of the first day. On this whole Nova Terra/Cosine discussion, the only thing that stood out to me was Nova Terra's behavior, accusing and pushing on cosine (in a somewhat impatient manner), turning defensive when he's called out on it and then forgiving cosine after his post, seeming willing to go to the next topic. Being overly aggressive is not a usual day 1 mafia trait, but quickly turning defensive if called out some something is. Still, he is being active, so time will tell whether it was just a bit of town inexperience/carelessness or something more. What is your point here? I didnt accuse him, i fos'ed him. two co pletely separate things, at least in my eyes. The pyshing on him was wanting him to respond, as was the point of my fos. I also wanted other people, like yourself, to come out of their lurking and post on this. I got frustrated when they started saying Nova_Terra is extremely eager to FoS because i was like... OH Really?!?! and then they went on to use my logic to say that he was suspicious. thats why i was mad. not exactly defensive, but frustrated at the town. Then, cosine posted exactly what i had been looking for, generating intelligent discussion. if by "willing to go onto the next topic" you mean "making new ideas that help the town and dont tunnel one person" i agree. please dont discredit my posting by calling it "inexperience/carelessness or something more" especially when this is your FIRST POST. later on i will come and explain why YOUR post seems suspicious to me. for now, im thinking eleanthas. | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
On March 12 2012 10:12 koritora wrote: Riddle me this. Riddle me that. Don't lynch me unless based on fact... Not sure if making a boring rhyme or trying to get us to not lynch him for lurking. On March 12 2012 10:22 koritora wrote: However, to lynch a lurker is not a bad thing. It's not helping anyone in the town. As for people against lynching on the Day 1, that's where my suspicion lies. Okay, then from your logic, we should lynch… You, or people who don’t want to lynch day 1. Ok then. Koritora, what is your opinion on cosine and Eleanthas? On March 12 2012 10:45 Sbrubbles wrote: Sup guys! My first post in this game, sorry it took so late! It's hard to read someone based on the first half of the first day. On this whole Nova Terra/Cosine discussion, the only thing that stood out to me was Nova Terra's behavior, accusing and pushing on cosine (in a somewhat impatient manner), turning defensive when he's called out on it and then forgiving cosine after his post, seeming willing to go to the next topic. Being overly aggressive is not a usual day 1 mafia trait, but quickly turning defensive if called out some something is. Still, he is being active, so time will tell whether it was just a bit of town inexperience/carelessness or something more. I just want to point out like posts like this are scummy. Not making any “accusations” or anything. 1. Throws the blame onto others, as if I was the scummy acting one, whereas this was his first post and the point of it was to throw suspicion onto me. 2. Seemingly purposely not understanding my argument to provoke meaningless discussion 3. Discrediting posts by calling it inexperience/carelessness 4. Not wanting to actually point a finger at me or to throw enough blame that anyone would be suspicious. As you can see, these are all things that one may notice when reading a guide as to how scum should play. On March 12 2012 10:46 Sbrubbles wrote: We have Koritora, Phagga, Elean and Inferno lurking as of this moment. Sure, Koritora, we could single out Inferno (or whoever you're actually referring to) for not being dead set on lynching without cause, but I don't think this is scum behavior per se. The fact that he actually has an opinion and wrote a bit on it, though, is good for singling him out if he does have a scummy attitude later on. Your post, on the other hand, doesn't add anything to the discussion and doesn't even have enough content so that we can use it to analyse you later on. So, how about putting a little more effort? Arguably, you are contributing on close to the same level as Koritora. The main thing is that you don’t really add anything except with disagreeing with other people. To you as well, what are your thoughts on cosine and Eleanthas in particular? It seems that you ignored most of the discussion relating to this. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
I read through all the filters, and besides FirmTofu the following people are rather suspicious to me: - Eleanthas (Only posted a one liner) - koritora (not posting anything of value) - sbrubbles (only two posts in rapid succession where he basically calls out lurkers and fluff, only to disappear again). IMO, if there is a DT out there, these four would be possible check targets. What do you guys think about it? Also, if none of them adds anyhting significant in the next 6 hours, my vote will go to one of these four. Soft deadline 8 hours before is ok with me. Also, as a heads up, I generally won't be around on deadline, as it is at 3 am in my timezone. By final vote will normally be casted around 5 to 3 hours before deadline. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Filter 1.) Mementoss 2.) Janaan 3.) Gossemerr 4.) Seviro 5.) FirmTofu 6.) InfernOokami7 7.) koritora 8.) Eleanthas 9.) Sbrubbles 10.) cosine 11.) phagga 12.) Nova_Terra | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
On March 12 2012 18:33 phagga wrote: Where is FirmTofu? He posted a lurker list 5 hours into the game (which is VERY early for a lurkerlist) and has not posted since then. If we would hold him up to his own standard, he is lurking very hard. You can see his filter here I read through all the filters, and besides FirmTofu the following people are rather suspicious to me: - Eleanthas (Only posted a one liner) - koritora (not posting anything of value) - sbrubbles (only two posts in rapid succession where he basically calls out lurkers and fluff, only to disappear again). IMO, if there is a DT out there, these four would be possible check targets. What do you guys think about it? Also, if none of them adds anyhting significant in the next 6 hours, my vote will go to one of these four. Soft deadline 8 hours before is ok with me. Also, as a heads up, I generally won't be around on deadline, as it is at 3 am in my timezone. By final vote will normally be casted around 5 to 3 hours before deadline. I agree with your lynch candidates, and I think that Eleanthas should be our main target until he posts. I was also wondering about tofu, I hope he shows up and weighs in on everything. Thanks Probulous for the filters  | ||
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koritora
6 Posts
On March 12 2012 17:09 Nova_Terra wrote: Not sure if making a boring rhyme or trying to get us to not lynch him for lurking. Okay, then from your logic, we should lynch… You, or people who don’t want to lynch day 1. Ok then. Koritora, what is your opinion on cosine and Eleanthas? I just want to point out like posts like this are scummy. Not making any “accusations” or anything. 1. Throws the blame onto others, as if I was the scummy acting one, whereas this was his first post and the point of it was to throw suspicion onto me. 2. Seemingly purposely not understanding my argument to provoke meaningless discussion 3. Discrediting posts by calling it inexperience/carelessness 4. Not wanting to actually point a finger at me or to throw enough blame that anyone would be suspicious. As you can see, these are all things that one may notice when reading a guide as to how scum should play. Arguably, you are contributing on close to the same level as Koritora. The main thing is that you don’t really add anything except with disagreeing with other people. To you as well, what are your thoughts on cosine and Eleanthas in particular? It seems that you ignored most of the discussion relating to this. Well to answer your first question, the one liner is not exactly foretelling as to whether or not Eleanthas is part of the mafia or not. However, it is suspicious that he hasn't posted anything since--means to try to draw suspicion away or something. In reference to Cosine, well it's hard to read what his motives are. His words are a little contradictory in my opinion. He was all for lynching without a cause since no lynch would be bad, then a few posts later he says that people misunderstood. As for me not posting anything of value, well, my bad. Still learning the ropes of this game which is why I joined this one. Plus, It's hard to read people day 1 anyhow which is why I was for lynching the lurkers. And yes, it was a rhyme, but a truthful one. Besides the lynching of lurkers, it would not be beneficial to lynch unless some sort of evidence exists for it to occur. | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
On March 12 2012 19:56 koritora wrote: Well to answer your first question, the one liner is not exactly foretelling as to whether or not Eleanthas is part of the mafia or not. However, it is suspicious that he hasn't posted anything since--means to try to draw suspicion away or something. In reference to Cosine, well it's hard to read what his motives are. His words are a little contradictory in my opinion. He was all for lynching without a cause since no lynch would be bad, then a few posts later he says that people misunderstood. As for me not posting anything of value, well, my bad. Still learning the ropes of this game which is why I joined this one. Plus, It's hard to read people day 1 anyhow which is why I was for lynching the lurkers. And yes, it was a rhyme, but a truthful one. Besides the lynching of lurkers, it would not be beneficial to lynch unless some sort of evidence exists for it to occur. Okay, thanks for the insights. Just continue to try to post often and discuss things just like what you wrote above. It would be better if you could recommend a course of action relating to your deductions regarding certain people. I.E.How we are likely to lynch Eleanthas if he doesnt post up. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On March 12 2012 19:56 koritora wrote: Well to answer your first question, the one liner is not exactly foretelling as to whether or not Eleanthas is part of the mafia or not. However, it is suspicious that he hasn't posted anything since--means to try to draw suspicion away or something. I agree. Lynching lurkers only makes sense when they are still participating in the game (means voting every day). Else their lurking is probably related to real life issues and don't say anything about their alignement, so it's probably better to just get them modkilled/replaced. On March 12 2012 19:56 koritora wrote: In reference to Cosine, well it's hard to read what his motives are. His words are a little contradictory in my opinion. He was all for lynching without a cause since no lynch would be bad, then a few posts later he says that people misunderstood. I disagree. I read it that he does want to lynch on day 1, but does not want to lynch a lurker on day 1. I understand his position, as I had a similar one last game. So he does want to lynch every day, and is not contradicting himself IMO. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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