if there is anyone who can teach me to beat ling muta or even just to all in a zerg then please help.
my tag is solid.679 and i have skype but my mic is at home...i am currently staying in my dorm. but ill have that soon enough.
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leadphyc
United States99 Posts
if there is anyone who can teach me to beat ling muta or even just to all in a zerg then please help. my tag is solid.679 and i have skype but my mic is at home...i am currently staying in my dorm. but ill have that soon enough. | ||
Loanshark
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
I'm a 100% sure this is a lie, so didnt bother reading the rest (of the 1 paragraph blog, lol) | ||
Selendis
Australia509 Posts
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leadphyc
United States99 Posts
On February 06 2012 17:18 Loanshark wrote: strat forum? maybe but I feel it was more of a rant. if it should be there then please have an admin move it | ||
leadphyc
United States99 Posts
On February 06 2012 17:19 Geo.Rion wrote: " have not beaten a zerg in almost 2 weeks now and beating everything that is not zerg" I'm a 100% sure this is a lie, so didnt bother reading the rest (of the 1 paragraph blog, lol) 100% sure its a lie? im a diamond toss playing plat toss and terran because I cannot beat zerg, i always beat toss and terran because i never play them at the diamond level i only hit diamond zergs who kill me then its back to playing plat players then killing them then hitting zerg again and it is just a cycle. | ||
leadphyc
United States99 Posts
On February 06 2012 17:21 Selendis wrote: sounds like you are being outmacroed. you might want to consider learning how to 7gate and do that each game. it's a cheap and easy way to get wins back. I wanna beat them with macro its not getting out macroed i just cannot deal with muta ling which is 80% of the zergs i play. but i will try 7 gating, thats with a FFE right? | ||
Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On February 06 2012 17:24 leadphyc wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2012 17:19 Geo.Rion wrote: " have not beaten a zerg in almost 2 weeks now and beating everything that is not zerg" I'm a 100% sure this is a lie, so didnt bother reading the rest (of the 1 paragraph blog, lol) 100% sure its a lie? im a diamond toss playing plat toss and terran because I cannot beat zerg, i always beat toss and terran because i never play them at the diamond level i only hit diamond zergs who kill me then its back to playing plat players then killing them then hitting zerg again and it is just a cycle. sure you do, everyone on tl.net plays one league higher opponent all the time. go back to your match list, check the last 30 games, if there isnt a loss to T/P or a win to Zerg i'll wire you 1k dollar, okey? | ||
Bd.Snake
Australia163 Posts
You already have the resources to get better i don't get why you don't use them and just make a stupid thread like this in the time you have made this thread and refreshed waiting for your answer you could of actually done something yourself User was temp banned for this post. | ||
leadphyc
United States99 Posts
On February 06 2012 17:27 Geo.Rion wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2012 17:24 leadphyc wrote: On February 06 2012 17:19 Geo.Rion wrote: " have not beaten a zerg in almost 2 weeks now and beating everything that is not zerg" I'm a 100% sure this is a lie, so didnt bother reading the rest (of the 1 paragraph blog, lol) 100% sure its a lie? im a diamond toss playing plat toss and terran because I cannot beat zerg, i always beat toss and terran because i never play them at the diamond level i only hit diamond zergs who kill me then its back to playing plat players then killing them then hitting zerg again and it is just a cycle. sure you do, everyone on tl.net plays one league higher opponent all the time. go back to your match list, check the last 30 games, if there isnt a loss to T/P or a win to Zerg i'll wire you 1k dollar, okey? okay......this isn't the point of the post........and the last 30 games 20 were zerg and 10 were toss and terran. the point is I cannot beat zerg. they are an unsolvable mystery to me | ||
leadphyc
United States99 Posts
On February 06 2012 17:29 Bd.Snake wrote: Go watch some pvz from the gsl and stop being a whiny retard You already have the resources to get better i don't get why you don't use them and just make a stupid thread like this in the time you have made this thread and refreshed waiting for your answer you could of actually done something yourself ok people on here are getting out of hand...you think I have not done that? I am not stupid. I have been doing that. I have watched countless muta ling replay's and i just cannot get there alone. do you have to be mean about it, dont you have something better with your time to do? | ||
Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On February 06 2012 17:30 leadphyc wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2012 17:27 Geo.Rion wrote: On February 06 2012 17:24 leadphyc wrote: On February 06 2012 17:19 Geo.Rion wrote: " have not beaten a zerg in almost 2 weeks now and beating everything that is not zerg" I'm a 100% sure this is a lie, so didnt bother reading the rest (of the 1 paragraph blog, lol) 100% sure its a lie? im a diamond toss playing plat toss and terran because I cannot beat zerg, i always beat toss and terran because i never play them at the diamond level i only hit diamond zergs who kill me then its back to playing plat players then killing them then hitting zerg again and it is just a cycle. sure you do, everyone on tl.net plays one league higher opponent all the time. go back to your match list, check the last 30 games, if there isnt a loss to T/P or a win to Zerg i'll wire you 1k dollar, okey? okay......this isn't the point of the post........and the last 30 games 20 were zerg and 10 were toss and terran. the point is I cannot beat zerg. they are an unsolvable mystery to me ok, quick guide: Forge fast exp 6-7 gate + twilight or robo walk out to pressure, take third make lots of stalkers and some colo, make canons take 4th, start teching to Mothership and archons If he kills your MS+stalker+colo-archon army (which he wont) means he had liek 20 BLs anf indfestors, so have 3-4 stargate ready and chrono the shit out of voidrays to win the game My ZERG teammate does this to me with Protoss and i lose like 50% of the times (i can beat him in ZVZ, though he's better). The last game we played i lost with having 19k points mroe then he did, so yeah, poor protoss, cant beat zerg | ||
PolskaGora
United States547 Posts
I'm assuming you know how to FFE. If not, that's probably why you're losing all your PvZ's. A huge thing I realized with the FFE when I was watching Kiwikaki's stream is that you should spend almost all of your chrono on probes. Then, with the huge and disproportionate min:gas ratio you use the extra minerals to put cannons everywhere, about 4 around each base's mineral line. This prevents any super early muta pressure, you can add on more cannons if you see the zerg being extra aggressive, and you can safely transition into twilight tech from there. This extra cannon support also allows you to take a third easily. Don't forget to make at least 5 sentries as well, they're essential to stop ling surrounds and/or sudden roach tech switches. Keep +1 attack upgrade ahead for your zealots using chrono to deal with lings while getting your third up as well. Also make sure you have your Z favored, or your weakest PvZ, maps vetoed (for me that means Xel'naga, Metalopolis, and Shattered since it's hard for me to FFE on those maps but you can veto anything that is unfavorable to your playstyle). | ||
leadphyc
United States99 Posts
On February 06 2012 17:33 Geo.Rion wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2012 17:30 leadphyc wrote: On February 06 2012 17:27 Geo.Rion wrote: On February 06 2012 17:24 leadphyc wrote: On February 06 2012 17:19 Geo.Rion wrote: " have not beaten a zerg in almost 2 weeks now and beating everything that is not zerg" I'm a 100% sure this is a lie, so didnt bother reading the rest (of the 1 paragraph blog, lol) 100% sure its a lie? im a diamond toss playing plat toss and terran because I cannot beat zerg, i always beat toss and terran because i never play them at the diamond level i only hit diamond zergs who kill me then its back to playing plat players then killing them then hitting zerg again and it is just a cycle. sure you do, everyone on tl.net plays one league higher opponent all the time. go back to your match list, check the last 30 games, if there isnt a loss to T/P or a win to Zerg i'll wire you 1k dollar, okey? okay......this isn't the point of the post........and the last 30 games 20 were zerg and 10 were toss and terran. the point is I cannot beat zerg. they are an unsolvable mystery to me ok, quick guide: Forge fast exp 6-7 gate + twilight or robo walk out to pressure, take third make lots of stalkers and some colo, make canons take 4th, start teching to Mothership and archons If he kills your MS+stalker+colo-archon army (which he wont) means he had liek 20 BLs anf indfestors, so have 3-4 stargate ready and chrono the shit out of voidrays to win the game My ZERG teammate does this to me with Protoss and i lose like 50% of the times (i can beat him in ZVZ, though he's better). The last game we played i lost with having 19k points mroe then he did, so yeah, poor protoss, cant beat zerg thank you thats what I need | ||
leadphyc
United States99 Posts
On February 06 2012 17:34 PolskaGora wrote: I am also around your level, (high plat consistently playing low-mid diamond) and I consider PvZ my best match up, I have at least an 80% win rate atm. I'm assuming you know how to FFE. If not, that's probably why you're losing all your PvZ's. A huge thing I realized with the FFE when I was watching Kiwikaki's stream is that you should spend almost all of your chrono on probes. Then, with the huge and disproportionate min:gas ratio you use the extra minerals to put cannons everywhere, about 4 around each base's mineral line. This prevents any super early muta pressure, you can add on more cannons if you see the zerg being extra aggressive, and you can safely transition into twilight tech from there. This extra cannon support also allows you to take a third easily. Don't forget to make at least 5 sentries as well, they're essential to stop ling surrounds and/or sudden roach tech switches. Keep +1 attack upgrade ahead for your zealots using chrono to deal with lings while getting your third up as well. Also make sure you have your Z favored, or your weakest PvZ, maps vetoed (for me that means Xel'naga, Metalopolis, and Shattered since it's hard for me to FFE on those maps but you can veto anything that is unfavorable to your playstyle). that's pretty helpful thank you. maybe something will take with me here. | ||
Selendis
Australia509 Posts
On February 06 2012 17:25 leadphyc wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2012 17:21 Selendis wrote: sounds like you are being outmacroed. you might want to consider learning how to 7gate and do that each game. it's a cheap and easy way to get wins back. I wanna beat them with macro its not getting out macroed i just cannot deal with muta ling which is 80% of the zergs i play. but i will try 7 gating, thats with a FFE right? Well if you really want to win games against zerg with a macro game then try this: 1. Expand with your preferred expansion method. 2. Chrono as many probes as you can whilst having just enough sentries to hold off any early aggression 3. Get hallucination to use those sentries who are now high on energy to see what the zerg is up to. 4. React to what you see. If he has got a third, get more gateway units and a third, If he's massing roaches off two base then get a robo and get a collosus deathball asap. If he is getting mutas then stay on blinkstalkers until you have a decent number then get high templar with storm, one templar per mineral field and a couple of cannons. 5. Defend until you are approaching max 6.Get a few archons and collosi in your deathball and stomp him before he gets broodlords. 7. ??? 8. Profit Now obviously it isn't that easy, but ultimately your success will come down to how good you are at multitasking and managing your expansions. As for 7 gating, it doesn't matter how you expand but FFE works best because you can usually sneak out an attack upgrade before you start warping in at your proxy pylon. | ||
leadphyc
United States99 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
* FFE, get a strong economy and blink stalkers, don't build cannons but use your stalkers to defend. * When you army reaches a critical size, put about 5 cannons in each mineral line and push. * Take third while pushing. Basically, mutas can't do crap when you have enough blink stalkers in each mineral line, and zerg has to take a third to keep up with the 2 base toss. By building cannons just before you move out, you put all your early economy into an army, and with some good timing, you can hit the zerg before they have even close to enough defense to hold. At the same time, 5 cannons in each mineral line is enough to stop the base race (assuming your macro is good enough and that you're pushing before the muta count becomes ridiculous). Assuming you take down one of zergs bases and start getting your third up, you should be way ahead. | ||
leadphyc
United States99 Posts
On February 06 2012 17:53 Tobberoth wrote: Here's a tip I got from grubby casting the empire vs mousesports team game in NASL: * FFE, get a strong economy and blink stalkers, don't build cannons but use your stalkers to defend. * When you army reaches a critical size, put about 5 cannons in each mineral line and push. * Take third while pushing. Basically, mutas can't do crap when you have enough blink stalkers in each mineral line, and zerg has to take a third to keep up with the 2 base toss. By building cannons just before you move out, you put all your early economy into an army, and with some good timing, you can hit the zerg before they have even close to enough defense to hold. At the same time, 5 cannons in each mineral line is enough to stop the base race (assuming your macro is good enough and that you're pushing before the muta count becomes ridiculous). Assuming you take down one of zergs bases and start getting your third up, you should be way ahead. ill try that thnx | ||
Angel_
United States1617 Posts
2. Attach a replay or two. 3. Explain what you're ATTEMPTING to do against zerg and the things you think you screwed up and the things that you were just lost about. 4. Try to chin up. | ||
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