|
On January 15 2012 03:12 Ciryandor wrote:
Whew, finally caught up after 25+ pages. Seriously. I just got home from being away all day today and had a long day at work yesterday, and people think I'm a good lynch candidate, especially for like half the mayor candidates? That's just fine and dandy, but there are other players who fit the same criterion.
Some reads on players of interest:
I honestly think GGQ has just as bad a posting history as mine, and that he has escaped scrutiny by creating an FoS on me just because I was asking why I should be believing the early candidates like Cyber_Cheese instead of Mr. Wiggles during that time.
I also can't blame Protactinium for thinking I'm bad as well with my responses, but I wouldn't vote for him just because he thinks BC is scum, and he hasn't buttressed that argument since. As far as I've read, I think BC has townie interests at heart and is in the usual situation with leading mayor candidates, having a hard time justifying what he would do with the position beyond the Day 1 lynch power, but a point against him as well is that he has not delivered his mason partner, which he had decided to reveal in one of his posts.
Also, risk.nuke being suddenly defensive after some criticism of him making a half hearted push for mayor is IMO very newbie townie play, or a scum being baited to attract others' attention to him. This should be noted as I think risk is noob town who does not know how to defend his positions properly.
Just a question, where is Kurumi? At least sandroba has posted even if he thinks I'm scummy for asking if he's running, and Palmar has said he doesn't really care now about the vote; which is uncharacteristically sour of him. I read Palmar as trolling town more than scum because of that, as he would have probably given a token "I support someone because they're worth trusting" post (as that could influence newbies/lurkers) who see people commenting at him being a veteran voting that way at the very least if he were scum.
Finally, I have to note that Bill's post that it is likely we have a scum candidate among the front-runners leads me to think we should actually do a vote-swing to a random strong candidate, and that the votes for that person should come from people who have already voted, as IMO it is more likely for scum to have delayed voting to have more influence over the result in a close race and not waste votes in a throw-away push for their candidate if a runaway win were to happen. Right now I'm torn between Proact and Sandroba in voting, because at least they're concrete in promising ONE NAME to lynch instead of being wishy-washy in getting a list of targets up, and that I think they have plans for town after Day 1 that don't need to be publicized yet.
scum
|
On January 15 2012 03:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
How does the fact that I pulled out of the elections make me more suspicious?
And did you completely ignore my plea for help regarding my mason situation? Or do you not care because now I'm suspicious? You as a former candidate go out of your way to encourage people to withdraw votes based on a lie. You can say you misread my post which potentially believable due to its length I find unlikely. If people were actively waiting for a piece of information then my large posts theoretically should be read carefully for said information. You are not like jay who has been on my nuts all game. Had you chosen to encourage people to not vote for me as I claimed mason and had solid reasons behind it then I would see you as more townlike, as it would also be discrediting another player with the same claim. By opting to instead cherry pick one candidate over the other I see an inconsistancy. I say this as you made mention before in thread that you had reservations of electing me before as my alignment with my role was not provable (minus a lynching obviously), however this issue would be near identical to another mason and had you kept with that line of thinking as two masons were in the running I would have understood. Singling me out however, via incorrect information, is why you are on my list.
sup?
first of all, I want to say sorry for saying the unvote thing. Regardless of what my read is of you, people should've unvoted you, if you didn't name your mason buddy. Which you did and therefore my statement was wront. I missed it, sorry! But it was well hidden. Normally such an anouncement is bold and on top of a post. But I guess, you have your reasons.
Then, I was not on your nuts all game long. In the beginning, I actually was your biggest stan and saying your campaign is the best. Enter your roleclaim. As I stated like a billion times the motives behind it is still unclear to me.
If you can describe me the upsides of your roleclaim, I will not think of you as scum again. Even more so, If you convince me your really town favoured, I will vote you again, since your campaign was the best and you're a good player.
But since you kind of just nourished the discussion, but never thematized the timing of the roleclaim, you're scummy to me.
The Hydra's case on you is pretty good IMO and is in line of what I believe.
I try to be constructive, not just choose a player and piss him off.
|
On January 15 2012 03:23 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:16 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 14 2012 11:39 Mattchew wrote:On January 14 2012 10:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Mattchew, what form of communication did you use with Foolishness? Would you mind sharing the logs? (Since foolishness thinks they make you look town, or that's what I'm inferring)
@Bum: I got the feeling from Cyber_Cheese that he just wanted to stir shit up all day long. A lot of his posts look to me like they're asking questions or making statements that someone could easily grab on to and start a pointless argument. Not generally conducive to a good town atmosphere. Sorry I missed this post. I pm'd him. Since theres not that much here I'll give you mostly everything.1Original Message From Foolishness: I'm still catching up, but as I've already said in the thread, Bill Murray is someone who we can keep under control2, and if he's mafia it will become apparent rather early (if for no other reason he's an incredibly active player). Yes, well, there's not much point in hiding it from you. You've never played a game with me before, I highly doubt your mafia team (assuming you're mafia of course) would authorize you to mason me day 1. If the mafia wanted to mason me, I'm sure they'd pick one of their more elite members (no offense) or someone who has played with me a lot. Especially since they would be paranoid I'd figure you out. Also remember the mafia get to choose who among them is a mason. You don't want to post that because that gives away that you're a mason. If you don't die that night you will die the next night. What other motivation would you have for saying that right before the day post unless you were in contact with me? Yeah, if you really want me to breadcrumb who you should mason with I can, but it be better for you to just go with your instinct. Easier for me to just give you a suggestion right before night ends anyways. Original Message From Mattchew: Is there any motive behind your endorsement of Bill Murray, I think him BC and Meapack are the 3 I like most (BM being purely based off your endorsement). Also, its pretty prudent that you hide if you are scum from me. I am letting you know that I do not take your word of I'm a townie without a grain of salt. What would you say to me posting "if i die foolishness is mafia" right before the day 2 post. Also, if you are to survive into day 2 would you be willing to breadcrumb with me who I should mason and have mason'd back and forth? Original Message From Foolishness: okay Since there's no point in hiding it from you I'm a townie. What you want to do for this game is Mason with the town players, or anyone who you think is town. Masoning with the mafia isn't going to help you because they can just go afk for a day and you won't be able to get any information out of them. Since there are mafia mason's you probably want to avoid masoning blue roles since they might be paranoid you're mafia. So in the future, just mason with people who are active and making sense in the thread, your standard townies. Too early for me to give you suggestions for the future. I still need to catch up in the thread though. From where I am (like page 25 lol) none of the mayor candidates look promising so far. Original Message From Mattchew:
Sup Brohan,
Its me the Town Mason.
The reason I mason'd you was because I have a strong town read on you, know that you're a vet and an extremely strong town player. Also, I wanted to mason you now as many have mentioned you tend to get killed early on in games.
So I have never played a mason before, mind telling me how you think in a game of 50 I can go about this? I only get a night/day cycle per person so I hope that I can get as much information from you and other vets early on as well on how to play this role. I am also open to suggestions about who the next person I mason is.
hit me back, just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan, this is matt Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I have to run for the evening so I'm making my post now. Original Message From Mattchew: Idk what you should say exactly, but I would try to drive home the fact that I am confirmed town, and regardless of whether or not you are scum or town, you would be saying that... I'll start writing my campaign page thing in like 20 minutes Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I can do that. Is there anything else you want me to mention in my post? Ciryandor is fine. Mapco seems like a good lynch. Chaosquo is also good. Original Message From Mattchew: Ok so I wanna run. I think the best way to start would be you announcing that I am going to run (proving that I have been pm'ing you and then both of us explaining why I am town and why I would be a good mayor. Any ideas on my stance on who to lynch, I was thinking ciryandor maybe. Original Message From Foolishness: Well yes, assuming you want to get into office claiming mason is the way to get there. And don't be worried about me. I prefer not to be in office so pick whoever you think is most pro-town (probably BC) and roll with that. It's basically a question of whether you want to claim or not. If you're going to claim you might as well run for office. Otherwise don't claim. Original Message From Mattchew: I think me claiming mason can help my campaign. It might also be the end of you lol. I think that being role block immune, mason, and confirmed town is a pretty good start for a mayor. I also want to endorse someone to run with me. I would say you but I don't know exactly how that would look. I think that endorsing meapack or BC would be the best options as long as they are actually townies. If I were to win the election I could illicit their opinions afterwords if they were to win as well. Me and a townie vet at the helm of town could be pretty powerful. Original Message From Foolishness:
Also, if you don't want to claim I can claim mason for you. Then I can breadcrumb in one of my posts that you are the real mason so you can contact people in the future.
[quote] On January 14 2012 11:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Hey mattchew, why are you ignoring me?
And don't call yourself confirmed. Didn't intentionally ignore you my apologies 1 Mostly everything? as in, this wasn't everything? 2 I blame L for noticing this. Why is Foolishness talking about controlling BM? 3 Could you add some time-stamps? 1 I double pm'd him. here are 2 that i sent out 2 I don't want to speak for him, but i think he feels anytime BM is scum he can catch him extremely quickly 3 + Show Spoiler +
fuck forgot to copy paste my extra pms and there are 3 not 2 like i said
me to him
Odds there is a second town mason? I think flamewheel likes pm's so I really don't know, but the risk of BC being mafia and a mason is scary as hell to me if he gets elected
me to him
kk I will post mine soon after
me to him
How do you feel about double lynches?
(I didn't realize that town voted in double lynches at that moment I know this now)
|
On January 15 2012 03:26 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2012 03:15 Mattchew wrote:On January 15 2012 03:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On January 15 2012 03:06 Mattchew wrote:On January 15 2012 02:54 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Not to mention, BC declared his mason status 7 hours before you did, why are you a better choice than him, if the main thing confirming you as town is how quickly you declared your role? Because my posting, my logic, and the lack of cases against me (other than slippery slope highly unlikely situations) make me far more townie than BC is. No actually they don't. Your only reason for being mayor is that you're a mason and that foolishness trusts you. Given foolishnesses actions so far it's pretty clear he's trolling so that's really not an endorsement. And as for your mason claim, you're no more confirmed than BC is and he's done a lot more than you. imma quote myself from earlier I want you to ask yourself, What are the real odds of about 13 hours after roles go out that a scum team elects me as mason over a vet, sends me at the best town player who already made a troll campaign, and comes up with a relatively elaborate plan to get me (A non-vet) into office.
Is it possible, yes. Is it 99% unlikely, yes. why? Heres a scenario for you. Mafia sees that I out myself as a mason. They see that I am attempting to fubar the use of the mason role completely. Mafia goes "FUUUUUUUUUUUUU" then thinks, wait, maybe we can use this to our advantage. Mafia concocts a scheme to use one of their newer members as a mason and get him elected via his claim. Foolishness could be a red or green and go along with it because he thinks that he can control you? Or, you are green, do this move and foolishness is red and goes "score and easier person for me to use than bm" and backs you to get you into office. Doing so would make him seem town in your eyes and would gain him a mayor who trusts him. A newbie mayor who would go to him for advice before making his own decisions -_-. Either situation you could be red or green, and it doesn't matter. A mafia team putting forth a member to get elected on a role that once elected's alignment can only be determined via death, or a town candidate who is controlled like a puppet via the mafia are both good scenarios for them. scenario is broken because i pm'd foolishness before you outed yourself. I don't see Foolishness as a strong town read. I would lean towards town if a gun was to my head but I still want to hear a lot more from him.
without timestamps we have your word to take for that. Is that likely? Yes, however, your run for mayor was timed AFTER my claim. You're role + my claim in open prompted you to think of running for mayor.
This is mafia, any situation is possible. Just because you can say "well im new do you think I would do that?" You know what? If you have a good player or players on your team as scum, a new player isn't going to be that bad as they can coach said player while using the "im new card" to explain minor mistakes.
My argument is that you are no more confirmed town than I am.
|
On January 15 2012 03:24 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:20 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Exactly how did you figure that a player who made a troll campaign for someone who hadn't even spoken yet was the most town? Can you link me to where I said this. I said I took a risk and pm'd the best town player, not the most townie person.
Your a new player right? Or relatively so? How would you know if Foolishness was the best town player in the game?
On January 15 2012 03:23 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:16 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 14 2012 11:39 Mattchew wrote:On January 14 2012 10:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Mattchew, what form of communication did you use with Foolishness? Would you mind sharing the logs? (Since foolishness thinks they make you look town, or that's what I'm inferring)
@Bum: I got the feeling from Cyber_Cheese that he just wanted to stir shit up all day long. A lot of his posts look to me like they're asking questions or making statements that someone could easily grab on to and start a pointless argument. Not generally conducive to a good town atmosphere. Sorry I missed this post. I pm'd him. Since theres not that much here I'll give you mostly everything.1Original Message From Foolishness: I'm still catching up, but as I've already said in the thread, Bill Murray is someone who we can keep under control2, and if he's mafia it will become apparent rather early (if for no other reason he's an incredibly active player). Yes, well, there's not much point in hiding it from you. You've never played a game with me before, I highly doubt your mafia team (assuming you're mafia of course) would authorize you to mason me day 1. If the mafia wanted to mason me, I'm sure they'd pick one of their more elite members (no offense) or someone who has played with me a lot. Especially since they would be paranoid I'd figure you out. Also remember the mafia get to choose who among them is a mason. You don't want to post that because that gives away that you're a mason. If you don't die that night you will die the next night. What other motivation would you have for saying that right before the day post unless you were in contact with me? Yeah, if you really want me to breadcrumb who you should mason with I can, but it be better for you to just go with your instinct. Easier for me to just give you a suggestion right before night ends anyways. Original Message From Mattchew: Is there any motive behind your endorsement of Bill Murray, I think him BC and Meapack are the 3 I like most (BM being purely based off your endorsement). Also, its pretty prudent that you hide if you are scum from me. I am letting you know that I do not take your word of I'm a townie without a grain of salt. What would you say to me posting "if i die foolishness is mafia" right before the day 2 post. Also, if you are to survive into day 2 would you be willing to breadcrumb with me who I should mason and have mason'd back and forth? Original Message From Foolishness: okay Since there's no point in hiding it from you I'm a townie. What you want to do for this game is Mason with the town players, or anyone who you think is town. Masoning with the mafia isn't going to help you because they can just go afk for a day and you won't be able to get any information out of them. Since there are mafia mason's you probably want to avoid masoning blue roles since they might be paranoid you're mafia. So in the future, just mason with people who are active and making sense in the thread, your standard townies. Too early for me to give you suggestions for the future. I still need to catch up in the thread though. From where I am (like page 25 lol) none of the mayor candidates look promising so far. Original Message From Mattchew:
Sup Brohan,
Its me the Town Mason.
The reason I mason'd you was because I have a strong town read on you, know that you're a vet and an extremely strong town player. Also, I wanted to mason you now as many have mentioned you tend to get killed early on in games.
So I have never played a mason before, mind telling me how you think in a game of 50 I can go about this? I only get a night/day cycle per person so I hope that I can get as much information from you and other vets early on as well on how to play this role. I am also open to suggestions about who the next person I mason is.
hit me back, just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan, this is matt Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I have to run for the evening so I'm making my post now. Original Message From Mattchew: Idk what you should say exactly, but I would try to drive home the fact that I am confirmed town, and regardless of whether or not you are scum or town, you would be saying that... I'll start writing my campaign page thing in like 20 minutes Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I can do that. Is there anything else you want me to mention in my post? Ciryandor is fine. Mapco seems like a good lynch. Chaosquo is also good. Original Message From Mattchew: Ok so I wanna run. I think the best way to start would be you announcing that I am going to run (proving that I have been pm'ing you and then both of us explaining why I am town and why I would be a good mayor. Any ideas on my stance on who to lynch, I was thinking ciryandor maybe. Original Message From Foolishness: Well yes, assuming you want to get into office claiming mason is the way to get there. And don't be worried about me. I prefer not to be in office so pick whoever you think is most pro-town (probably BC) and roll with that. It's basically a question of whether you want to claim or not. If you're going to claim you might as well run for office. Otherwise don't claim. Original Message From Mattchew: I think me claiming mason can help my campaign. It might also be the end of you lol. I think that being role block immune, mason, and confirmed town is a pretty good start for a mayor. I also want to endorse someone to run with me. I would say you but I don't know exactly how that would look. I think that endorsing meapack or BC would be the best options as long as they are actually townies. If I were to win the election I could illicit their opinions afterwords if they were to win as well. Me and a townie vet at the helm of town could be pretty powerful. Original Message From Foolishness:
Also, if you don't want to claim I can claim mason for you. Then I can breadcrumb in one of my posts that you are the real mason so you can contact people in the future.
[quote] On January 14 2012 11:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Hey mattchew, why are you ignoring me?
And don't call yourself confirmed. Didn't intentionally ignore you my apologies 1 Mostly everything? as in, this wasn't everything? 2 I blame L for noticing this. Why is Foolishness talking about controlling BM? 3 Could you add some time-stamps? 1 I double pm'd him. here are 2 that i sent out 2 I don't want to speak for him, but i think he feels anytime BM is scum he can catch him extremely quickly 3 + Show Spoiler +
On August 12 2011 06:10 flamewheel wrote:Cheating:Cheating includes (but is not limited to): - Posting screenshots of your inbox.
...
|
On January 15 2012 03:05 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 02:52 Jitsu wrote:RE: Mattchew/Mayor, ect. ect. There are a few reasons, at least in my own mind. What's the motivation for pushing a player that isn't as a vaunted scumhunter as others? You said it yourself - they have the protection and the auto-lynch ability thing. In fact, you yourself have said before that you want a Veteran in office so that they can use their abilities to push a strong lynch candidate through: + Show Spoiler +On January 14 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:/confirmed Thoughts: (stealing format from EchelonTee) kitaman I don't think that this is a bad campaign post and I actually liked what he said except for how he isn't the best town player. He just seems a little to passive and I don't think that he is the best person to vote for. bumatlarge-(also made a post here) If this was a smaller game or if we all knew each other and were all vets I would say his list of to-do's for blues was scummy. But this is a huge game, with a lot of new players that might be getting roles they have never had before. I don't like the "mason me!" but I do think that this is helpful to town. Other than the list his campaign is cookie cutter. Not getting my vote for mayor. Wiggles You want to play the game first and worry about being mayor second. Thats fine and good but will not earn my vote. CCScum play is bad = vote me mayor. No thanks. Foolishness (for BM)I would like this a lot if there was evidence to support this. Would like to see some games from BM as town or where Foolishness caught on to him early, or both, and by or both I mean please link both examples. risk.nukeAnother campaign starting with I am not a very good town. BMSeems pro-town. Still want evidence from him or foolishness on previous games because that seems to be the base of their campaign BCHe is the best candidate in my opinion. Strong leadership, confidence and experience. sandroba"I get shot early alot and Im decent at scum hunting." It will be great to have you on the town team and if you do well scum hunting hopefully you get a medic. But this isn't the leader I want with 3 votes or a jailing ability. VEI think I still want a vet in office. Sorry, maybe I end up looking stupid but keeping someone who is proven to be better than others for town alive is a priority for me.MeapakThe second strongest candidate behind BC. Proven vet and already active. He is also honest, he says "i want the protection". I feel like scum would shy away from saying something like this. It makes sense. With the amount of experience that could possibly roll into an elected, protected position, you would want someone that is, equally, a good scumhunter and analytically strong player. But than you run for the position as well. And you even say yourself that you are not the strongest town player. I think that plays into the part on how you could be Foolishness's puppet. Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from you gaining the Mayor position over an experienced town player? I could. The three reasons you explained that you wanted Mayor position were pretty meak, in my opinion. You are correct, having an experienced scum hunter townie is the best for office. However, every experienced candidate running has had cases made against them. I am a better candidate to vote for because I am less risk to flip scum. Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from an experienced scum vet gaining the mayor position over a town player.
The bolded portion is a flat out lie as well as a cloaked kingmaker.
You're now my lynch target if elected.
|
note I didn't see the spoilered screenshot with timestamps, I correct myself on that point. You still did run for election after my claim based on your role.
|
On January 15 2012 03:33 L wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:05 Mattchew wrote:On January 15 2012 02:52 Jitsu wrote:RE: Mattchew/Mayor, ect. ect. There are a few reasons, at least in my own mind. What's the motivation for pushing a player that isn't as a vaunted scumhunter as others? You said it yourself - they have the protection and the auto-lynch ability thing. In fact, you yourself have said before that you want a Veteran in office so that they can use their abilities to push a strong lynch candidate through: + Show Spoiler +On January 14 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:/confirmed Thoughts: (stealing format from EchelonTee) kitaman I don't think that this is a bad campaign post and I actually liked what he said except for how he isn't the best town player. He just seems a little to passive and I don't think that he is the best person to vote for. bumatlarge-(also made a post here) If this was a smaller game or if we all knew each other and were all vets I would say his list of to-do's for blues was scummy. But this is a huge game, with a lot of new players that might be getting roles they have never had before. I don't like the "mason me!" but I do think that this is helpful to town. Other than the list his campaign is cookie cutter. Not getting my vote for mayor. Wiggles You want to play the game first and worry about being mayor second. Thats fine and good but will not earn my vote. CCScum play is bad = vote me mayor. No thanks. Foolishness (for BM)I would like this a lot if there was evidence to support this. Would like to see some games from BM as town or where Foolishness caught on to him early, or both, and by or both I mean please link both examples. risk.nukeAnother campaign starting with I am not a very good town. BMSeems pro-town. Still want evidence from him or foolishness on previous games because that seems to be the base of their campaign BCHe is the best candidate in my opinion. Strong leadership, confidence and experience. sandroba"I get shot early alot and Im decent at scum hunting." It will be great to have you on the town team and if you do well scum hunting hopefully you get a medic. But this isn't the leader I want with 3 votes or a jailing ability. VEI think I still want a vet in office. Sorry, maybe I end up looking stupid but keeping someone who is proven to be better than others for town alive is a priority for me.MeapakThe second strongest candidate behind BC. Proven vet and already active. He is also honest, he says "i want the protection". I feel like scum would shy away from saying something like this. It makes sense. With the amount of experience that could possibly roll into an elected, protected position, you would want someone that is, equally, a good scumhunter and analytically strong player. But than you run for the position as well. And you even say yourself that you are not the strongest town player. I think that plays into the part on how you could be Foolishness's puppet. Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from you gaining the Mayor position over an experienced town player? I could. The three reasons you explained that you wanted Mayor position were pretty meak, in my opinion. You are correct, having an experienced scum hunter townie is the best for office. However, every experienced candidate running has had cases made against them. I am a better candidate to vote for because I am less risk to flip scum. Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from an experienced scum vet gaining the mayor position over a town player. The bolded portion is a flat out lie as well as a cloaked kingmaker. You're now my lynch target if elected.
what is a cloaked kingmaker?
and how is that a lie.
|
On January 15 2012 02:29 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 02:17 risk.nuke wrote:He made some bad posts and then disappears, agree. It's odd, but some people have to do stuff on the weekend. He's def a candidate though - Jay I just realised this. Look at my posthistory and tell me if you would describe it as "I made some bad posts". SCUM for softdefending me without seeing my filter. I don't know, if I should respond to that. L had a point and called me out for a reason. I like to clarify things then. And it is important to do so. But your accusation is clearly OMGUS. I didn't even really accuse you and said you might be busy during the weekend. Who are you to tell me that I didn't look into your filter and that I don't keep a spreadsheet? That's just not right. Also, notice how I said bad, not scummy. So a) you're campaign "always a townie" was just. well, bad. I didn't like it, it felt generic, it was badly formated and it lacked a solid gameplan. b) calling out rgSchworz because he didn't like your campaign either in a very agressive and condescending way. again, not even really scummy. just bad. All in all yeah, I think you are one candidate to look out for. After this post even more. Although, and I repeat myself here, I don't even think you're scummy, but you seem scummy, because your posts lack quality.
What omgus are you speaking of? Try to get into my head as I am getting into his head. He is doing a typical scum-move, softdefend the townie, In itself it's not a scummy move. Scum loves to do this but townies do this to and that is not what I am reacting on. Here is the thing. Jay refered to my posts as bad. Which to anyone who looks at them could see they are clearly not bad. They are few but there isn't a single irrelevant/bad post in there. So why would anyone call them bad? Well they wouldn't. So why would Jay defend me without reading my filter. Well because he is scum and therefor know I am town and unluckily assumed that the reason I was looked at was a bad post. He was beeing uncarefull and made a scumslip. And Jay haven't accused me so how can It be omgus. Look at the mass contradictions in his followup post. "I wasn't accusing you, but this is omgus" and "I don't think you're scum but you're scummy" <--- WHAT?
He is also bringing up rgSchwors which makes no sense unless perhaps feels it's more pro-town to ignore attacks on you.
I was just arguing/discussion with rhSchwors when he attacked my candidacy which is the natural thing to do. He's just trying hard to make me look bad.
On January 15 2012 02:32 Mattchew wrote:
yay for risk.nuke and jayjay tunneling one another because they disagree
mattchew, he might be tunneling the me, but I am clearly not tunneling him with one post. Why on earth did you make a post like that for because it's purpose seemed to be to minimize, lessen and prevent discussion of this. Which seems incredibly biased.
If I'm elected I'll lynch Jay, I support BC for the election stronger then before because of jay's efforts against him.
|
On January 15 2012 03:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:24 Mattchew wrote:On January 15 2012 03:20 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Exactly how did you figure that a player who made a troll campaign for someone who hadn't even spoken yet was the most town? Can you link me to where I said this. I said I took a risk and pm'd the best town player, not the most townie person. Your a new player right? Or relatively so? How would you know if Foolishness was the best town player in the game? Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:23 Mattchew wrote:On January 15 2012 03:16 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 14 2012 11:39 Mattchew wrote:On January 14 2012 10:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Mattchew, what form of communication did you use with Foolishness? Would you mind sharing the logs? (Since foolishness thinks they make you look town, or that's what I'm inferring)
@Bum: I got the feeling from Cyber_Cheese that he just wanted to stir shit up all day long. A lot of his posts look to me like they're asking questions or making statements that someone could easily grab on to and start a pointless argument. Not generally conducive to a good town atmosphere. Sorry I missed this post. I pm'd him. Since theres not that much here I'll give you mostly everything.1Original Message From Foolishness: I'm still catching up, but as I've already said in the thread, Bill Murray is someone who we can keep under control2, and if he's mafia it will become apparent rather early (if for no other reason he's an incredibly active player). Yes, well, there's not much point in hiding it from you. You've never played a game with me before, I highly doubt your mafia team (assuming you're mafia of course) would authorize you to mason me day 1. If the mafia wanted to mason me, I'm sure they'd pick one of their more elite members (no offense) or someone who has played with me a lot. Especially since they would be paranoid I'd figure you out. Also remember the mafia get to choose who among them is a mason. You don't want to post that because that gives away that you're a mason. If you don't die that night you will die the next night. What other motivation would you have for saying that right before the day post unless you were in contact with me? Yeah, if you really want me to breadcrumb who you should mason with I can, but it be better for you to just go with your instinct. Easier for me to just give you a suggestion right before night ends anyways. Original Message From Mattchew: Is there any motive behind your endorsement of Bill Murray, I think him BC and Meapack are the 3 I like most (BM being purely based off your endorsement). Also, its pretty prudent that you hide if you are scum from me. I am letting you know that I do not take your word of I'm a townie without a grain of salt. What would you say to me posting "if i die foolishness is mafia" right before the day 2 post. Also, if you are to survive into day 2 would you be willing to breadcrumb with me who I should mason and have mason'd back and forth? Original Message From Foolishness: okay Since there's no point in hiding it from you I'm a townie. What you want to do for this game is Mason with the town players, or anyone who you think is town. Masoning with the mafia isn't going to help you because they can just go afk for a day and you won't be able to get any information out of them. Since there are mafia mason's you probably want to avoid masoning blue roles since they might be paranoid you're mafia. So in the future, just mason with people who are active and making sense in the thread, your standard townies. Too early for me to give you suggestions for the future. I still need to catch up in the thread though. From where I am (like page 25 lol) none of the mayor candidates look promising so far. Original Message From Mattchew:
Sup Brohan,
Its me the Town Mason.
The reason I mason'd you was because I have a strong town read on you, know that you're a vet and an extremely strong town player. Also, I wanted to mason you now as many have mentioned you tend to get killed early on in games.
So I have never played a mason before, mind telling me how you think in a game of 50 I can go about this? I only get a night/day cycle per person so I hope that I can get as much information from you and other vets early on as well on how to play this role. I am also open to suggestions about who the next person I mason is.
hit me back, just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan, this is matt Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I have to run for the evening so I'm making my post now. Original Message From Mattchew: Idk what you should say exactly, but I would try to drive home the fact that I am confirmed town, and regardless of whether or not you are scum or town, you would be saying that... I'll start writing my campaign page thing in like 20 minutes Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I can do that. Is there anything else you want me to mention in my post? Ciryandor is fine. Mapco seems like a good lynch. Chaosquo is also good. Original Message From Mattchew: Ok so I wanna run. I think the best way to start would be you announcing that I am going to run (proving that I have been pm'ing you and then both of us explaining why I am town and why I would be a good mayor. Any ideas on my stance on who to lynch, I was thinking ciryandor maybe. Original Message From Foolishness: Well yes, assuming you want to get into office claiming mason is the way to get there. And don't be worried about me. I prefer not to be in office so pick whoever you think is most pro-town (probably BC) and roll with that. It's basically a question of whether you want to claim or not. If you're going to claim you might as well run for office. Otherwise don't claim. Original Message From Mattchew:
I think me claiming mason can help my campaign. It might also be the end of you lol. I think that being role block immune, mason, and confirmed town is a pretty good start for a mayor. I also want to endorse someone to run with me. I would say you but I don't know exactly how that would look. I think that endorsing meapack or BC would be the best options as long as they are actually townies. If I were to win the election I could illicit their opinions afterwords if they were to win as well. Me and a townie vet at the helm of town could be pretty powerful.
[quote] On January 14 2012 11:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Hey mattchew, why are you ignoring me?
And don't call yourself confirmed. Didn't intentionally ignore you my apologies 1 Mostly everything? as in, this wasn't everything? 2 I blame L for noticing this. Why is Foolishness talking about controlling BM? 3 Could you add some time-stamps? 1 I double pm'd him. here are 2 that i sent out 2 I don't want to speak for him, but i think he feels anytime BM is scum he can catch him extremely quickly 3 + Show Spoiler + Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 06:10 flamewheel wrote:Cheating:Cheating includes (but is not limited to): - Posting screenshots of your inbox.
...
I gotta agree here. This is cheating 
|
On January 15 2012 03:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:24 Mattchew wrote:On January 15 2012 03:20 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Exactly how did you figure that a player who made a troll campaign for someone who hadn't even spoken yet was the most town? Can you link me to where I said this. I said I took a risk and pm'd the best town player, not the most townie person. Your a new player right? Or relatively so? How would you know if Foolishness was the best town player in the game? Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:23 Mattchew wrote:On January 15 2012 03:16 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 14 2012 11:39 Mattchew wrote:On January 14 2012 10:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Mattchew, what form of communication did you use with Foolishness? Would you mind sharing the logs? (Since foolishness thinks they make you look town, or that's what I'm inferring)
@Bum: I got the feeling from Cyber_Cheese that he just wanted to stir shit up all day long. A lot of his posts look to me like they're asking questions or making statements that someone could easily grab on to and start a pointless argument. Not generally conducive to a good town atmosphere. Sorry I missed this post. I pm'd him. Since theres not that much here I'll give you mostly everything.1Original Message From Foolishness: I'm still catching up, but as I've already said in the thread, Bill Murray is someone who we can keep under control2, and if he's mafia it will become apparent rather early (if for no other reason he's an incredibly active player). Yes, well, there's not much point in hiding it from you. You've never played a game with me before, I highly doubt your mafia team (assuming you're mafia of course) would authorize you to mason me day 1. If the mafia wanted to mason me, I'm sure they'd pick one of their more elite members (no offense) or someone who has played with me a lot. Especially since they would be paranoid I'd figure you out. Also remember the mafia get to choose who among them is a mason. You don't want to post that because that gives away that you're a mason. If you don't die that night you will die the next night. What other motivation would you have for saying that right before the day post unless you were in contact with me? Yeah, if you really want me to breadcrumb who you should mason with I can, but it be better for you to just go with your instinct. Easier for me to just give you a suggestion right before night ends anyways. Original Message From Mattchew: Is there any motive behind your endorsement of Bill Murray, I think him BC and Meapack are the 3 I like most (BM being purely based off your endorsement). Also, its pretty prudent that you hide if you are scum from me. I am letting you know that I do not take your word of I'm a townie without a grain of salt. What would you say to me posting "if i die foolishness is mafia" right before the day 2 post. Also, if you are to survive into day 2 would you be willing to breadcrumb with me who I should mason and have mason'd back and forth? Original Message From Foolishness: okay Since there's no point in hiding it from you I'm a townie. What you want to do for this game is Mason with the town players, or anyone who you think is town. Masoning with the mafia isn't going to help you because they can just go afk for a day and you won't be able to get any information out of them. Since there are mafia mason's you probably want to avoid masoning blue roles since they might be paranoid you're mafia. So in the future, just mason with people who are active and making sense in the thread, your standard townies. Too early for me to give you suggestions for the future. I still need to catch up in the thread though. From where I am (like page 25 lol) none of the mayor candidates look promising so far. Original Message From Mattchew:
Sup Brohan,
Its me the Town Mason.
The reason I mason'd you was because I have a strong town read on you, know that you're a vet and an extremely strong town player. Also, I wanted to mason you now as many have mentioned you tend to get killed early on in games.
So I have never played a mason before, mind telling me how you think in a game of 50 I can go about this? I only get a night/day cycle per person so I hope that I can get as much information from you and other vets early on as well on how to play this role. I am also open to suggestions about who the next person I mason is.
hit me back, just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan, this is matt Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I have to run for the evening so I'm making my post now. Original Message From Mattchew: Idk what you should say exactly, but I would try to drive home the fact that I am confirmed town, and regardless of whether or not you are scum or town, you would be saying that... I'll start writing my campaign page thing in like 20 minutes Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I can do that. Is there anything else you want me to mention in my post? Ciryandor is fine. Mapco seems like a good lynch. Chaosquo is also good. Original Message From Mattchew: Ok so I wanna run. I think the best way to start would be you announcing that I am going to run (proving that I have been pm'ing you and then both of us explaining why I am town and why I would be a good mayor. Any ideas on my stance on who to lynch, I was thinking ciryandor maybe. Original Message From Foolishness: Well yes, assuming you want to get into office claiming mason is the way to get there. And don't be worried about me. I prefer not to be in office so pick whoever you think is most pro-town (probably BC) and roll with that. It's basically a question of whether you want to claim or not. If you're going to claim you might as well run for office. Otherwise don't claim. Original Message From Mattchew:
I think me claiming mason can help my campaign. It might also be the end of you lol. I think that being role block immune, mason, and confirmed town is a pretty good start for a mayor. I also want to endorse someone to run with me. I would say you but I don't know exactly how that would look. I think that endorsing meapack or BC would be the best options as long as they are actually townies. If I were to win the election I could illicit their opinions afterwords if they were to win as well. Me and a townie vet at the helm of town could be pretty powerful.
[quote] On January 14 2012 11:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Hey mattchew, why are you ignoring me?
And don't call yourself confirmed. Didn't intentionally ignore you my apologies 1 Mostly everything? as in, this wasn't everything? 2 I blame L for noticing this. Why is Foolishness talking about controlling BM? 3 Could you add some time-stamps? 1 I double pm'd him. here are 2 that i sent out 2 I don't want to speak for him, but i think he feels anytime BM is scum he can catch him extremely quickly 3 + Show Spoiler + Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 06:10 flamewheel wrote:Cheating:Cheating includes (but is not limited to): - Posting screenshots of your inbox.
...
shit.
When I read that I thought it meant actually messages (particularly role pms)
sorry. I will probably be modkilled, which I deserve.
|
On January 15 2012 03:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:24 Mattchew wrote:On January 15 2012 03:20 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Exactly how did you figure that a player who made a troll campaign for someone who hadn't even spoken yet was the most town? Can you link me to where I said this. I said I took a risk and pm'd the best town player, not the most townie person. Your a new player right? Or relatively so? How would you know if Foolishness was the best town player in the game?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302727
|
On January 15 2012 03:34 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:33 L wrote:On January 15 2012 03:05 Mattchew wrote:On January 15 2012 02:52 Jitsu wrote:RE: Mattchew/Mayor, ect. ect. There are a few reasons, at least in my own mind. What's the motivation for pushing a player that isn't as a vaunted scumhunter as others? You said it yourself - they have the protection and the auto-lynch ability thing. In fact, you yourself have said before that you want a Veteran in office so that they can use their abilities to push a strong lynch candidate through: + Show Spoiler +On January 14 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:/confirmed Thoughts: (stealing format from EchelonTee) kitaman I don't think that this is a bad campaign post and I actually liked what he said except for how he isn't the best town player. He just seems a little to passive and I don't think that he is the best person to vote for. bumatlarge-(also made a post here) If this was a smaller game or if we all knew each other and were all vets I would say his list of to-do's for blues was scummy. But this is a huge game, with a lot of new players that might be getting roles they have never had before. I don't like the "mason me!" but I do think that this is helpful to town. Other than the list his campaign is cookie cutter. Not getting my vote for mayor. Wiggles You want to play the game first and worry about being mayor second. Thats fine and good but will not earn my vote. CCScum play is bad = vote me mayor. No thanks. Foolishness (for BM)I would like this a lot if there was evidence to support this. Would like to see some games from BM as town or where Foolishness caught on to him early, or both, and by or both I mean please link both examples. risk.nukeAnother campaign starting with I am not a very good town. BMSeems pro-town. Still want evidence from him or foolishness on previous games because that seems to be the base of their campaign BCHe is the best candidate in my opinion. Strong leadership, confidence and experience. sandroba"I get shot early alot and Im decent at scum hunting." It will be great to have you on the town team and if you do well scum hunting hopefully you get a medic. But this isn't the leader I want with 3 votes or a jailing ability. VEI think I still want a vet in office. Sorry, maybe I end up looking stupid but keeping someone who is proven to be better than others for town alive is a priority for me.MeapakThe second strongest candidate behind BC. Proven vet and already active. He is also honest, he says "i want the protection". I feel like scum would shy away from saying something like this. It makes sense. With the amount of experience that could possibly roll into an elected, protected position, you would want someone that is, equally, a good scumhunter and analytically strong player. But than you run for the position as well. And you even say yourself that you are not the strongest town player. I think that plays into the part on how you could be Foolishness's puppet. Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from you gaining the Mayor position over an experienced town player? I could. The three reasons you explained that you wanted Mayor position were pretty meak, in my opinion. You are correct, having an experienced scum hunter townie is the best for office. However, every experienced candidate running has had cases made against them. I am a better candidate to vote for because I am less risk to flip scum. Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from an experienced scum vet gaining the mayor position over a town player. The bolded portion is a flat out lie as well as a cloaked kingmaker. You're now my lynch target if elected. what is a cloaked kingmaker? and how is that a lie.
A cute word for mafia.
|
On January 15 2012 03:35 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 02:29 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 15 2012 02:17 risk.nuke wrote:He made some bad posts and then disappears, agree. It's odd, but some people have to do stuff on the weekend. He's def a candidate though - Jay I just realised this. Look at my posthistory and tell me if you would describe it as "I made some bad posts". SCUM for softdefending me without seeing my filter. I don't know, if I should respond to that. L had a point and called me out for a reason. I like to clarify things then. And it is important to do so. But your accusation is clearly OMGUS. I didn't even really accuse you and said you might be busy during the weekend. Who are you to tell me that I didn't look into your filter and that I don't keep a spreadsheet? That's just not right. Also, notice how I said bad, not scummy. So a) you're campaign "always a townie" was just. well, bad. I didn't like it, it felt generic, it was badly formated and it lacked a solid gameplan. b) calling out rgSchworz because he didn't like your campaign either in a very agressive and condescending way. again, not even really scummy. just bad. All in all yeah, I think you are one candidate to look out for. After this post even more. Although, and I repeat myself here, I don't even think you're scummy, but you seem scummy, because your posts lack quality. What omgus are you speaking of? Try to get into my head as I am getting into his head. He is doing a typical scum-move, softdefend the townie, In itself it's not a scummy move. Scum loves to do this but townies do this to and that is not what I am reacting on. Here is the thing. Jay refered to my posts as bad. Which to anyone who looks at them could see they are clearly not bad. They are few but there isn't a single irrelevant/bad post in there. So why would anyone call them bad? Well they wouldn't. So why would Jay defend me without reading my filter. Well because he is scum and therefor know I am town and unluckily assumed that the reason I was looked at was a bad post. He was beeing uncarefull and made a scumslip. And Jay haven't accused me so how can It be omgus. Look at the mass contradictions in his followup post. "I wasn't accusing you, but this is omgus" and "I don't think you're scum but you're scummy" <--- WHAT? He is also bringing up rgSchwors which makes no sense unless perhaps feels it's more pro-town to ignore attacks on you. I was just arguing/discussion with rhSchwors when he attacked my candidacy which is the natural thing to do. He's just trying hard to make me look bad. Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 02:32 Mattchew wrote:
yay for risk.nuke and jayjay tunneling one another because they disagree mattchew, he might be tunneling the me, but I am clearly not tunneling him with one post. Why on earth did you make a post like that for because it's purpose seemed to be to minimize, lessen and prevent discussion of this. Which seems incredibly biased.
If I'm elected I'll lynch Jay, I support BC for the election stronger then before because of jay's efforts against him.
I most certainly accused you. "He's def a candidate though" is what you call defending? Maybe you weren't as good of a lawyer.
And saying I'm scum is pretty much tunneling. And just because I think your posts are bad? Of course, you think they're good, but there may be differen opinions.
Finally, please format your posts a little better.
|
In future, just repost the old quoted stuff and add time-stamps in manually. Yes it's easier to fake and doesn't add much, but the possibility to catch something feigned incorrectly exsists.
|
On January 15 2012 03:39 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
In future, just repost the old quoted stuff and add time-stamps in manually. Yes it's easier to fake and doesn't add much, but the possibility to catch something feigned incorrectly exsists.
I don't want to derail the thread but you are right I should have done that.
|
On January 15 2012 03:29 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2012 03:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
How does the fact that I pulled out of the elections make me more suspicious?
And did you completely ignore my plea for help regarding my mason situation? Or do you not care because now I'm suspicious? You as a former candidate go out of your way to encourage people to withdraw votes based on a lie. You can say you misread my post which potentially believable due to its length I find unlikely. If people were actively waiting for a piece of information then my large posts theoretically should be read carefully for said information. You are not like jay who has been on my nuts all game. Had you chosen to encourage people to not vote for me as I claimed mason and had solid reasons behind it then I would see you as more townlike, as it would also be discrediting another player with the same claim. By opting to instead cherry pick one candidate over the other I see an inconsistancy. I say this as you made mention before in thread that you had reservations of electing me before as my alignment with my role was not provable (minus a lynching obviously), however this issue would be near identical to another mason and had you kept with that line of thinking as two masons were in the running I would have understood. Singling me out however, via incorrect information, is why you are on my list. sup? first of all, I want to say sorry for saying the unvote thing. Regardless of what my read is of you, people should've unvoted you, if you didn't name your mason buddy. Which you did and therefore my statement was wront. I missed it, sorry! But it was well hidden. Normally such an anouncement is bold and on top of a post. But I guess, you have your reasons. Then, I was not on your nuts all game long. In the beginning, I actually was your biggest stan and saying your campaign is the best. Enter your roleclaim. As I stated like a billion times the motives behind it is still unclear to me. If you can describe me the upsides of your roleclaim, I will not think of you as scum again. Even more so, If you convince me your really town favoured, I will vote you again, since your campaign was the best and you're a good player. But since you kind of just nourished the discussion, but never thematized the timing of the roleclaim, you're scummy to me. The Hydra's case on you is pretty good IMO and is in line of what I believe. I try to be constructive, not just choose a player and piss him off.
Using the phrase "has been on my nuts all game" is more or less accurate. You are really the only person who has been against me for a decent period of time. You also have said your reasons why. Do i agree with them? No. I do understand them however. If you compare what you were doing to what VE did you would understand why he is on a radar now and you are currently not.
However, as for the upsides of my claim. Look at the specific post Incog (the hydra) quoted of mine from my town analysis thread that I believe i linked in a previous post. (if i didnt i can dig it up, its also somewhere on page 4-6 i believe of the mafia forum).
I stress that most people don't use pm's correctly. In a situation where only a few specific players have access to that domain, it gives the mafia an advantage. They will have 10 people able to work on manipulating a player. You can say "i am going to look for manipulation so it won't happen" but again. Ask what I did to VE. It was subtle and vile. All I did was plant an idea that I knew he would think on and run with, and he did it in a way I knew he would. Manipulation is not obvious and a good player will know exactly how to do it without being caught. Mafia will have 10 people making sure its done right. I know that I can freely romp in pm land, but no smart mafia is going to talk to me seriously if i mason them. Why? Because i could do to them what they would do to another player. As such I had to think. How likely is it that only top players got the mason role?
Unlikely as fw rng's roles. We are also a gimped mason as we lose contact with who we target after each cycle and can never use it on them again. This is inherently not helpful to town. Why? Because a townie benefits from bouncing ideas off one another in pms. However you need the time to build up a "trust" of sorts with the person to actually get a serious discussion on reads. People will naturally always suspect you at first when mason'd or at least they should. That is not alot of time to get by the distrust and have a discussion of who x and y think is scum. Then you have to go over all those pms and see if there is a hidden agenda there. PM's in the way we traditionally use them to "bounce ideas" or find scum are used over long periods of time with people mulling over information. As your ability to get reads is so short term they are unreliable and far more useful to manipulate or mislead which takes far less effort, and is doable in a much faster span of time.
As such I opted to want to discuss the role. However, I also knew that based on my decision to heavily push this point, I would be forced to claim my role as there would be no way I would be able to hide that fact for the game while pushing heavy on its discussion. Even if I could, it could lead masons to out and out claim and would look extremely bad if I didn't while essentially outing people in thread.
As such I did right from the get go.
|
On January 15 2012 03:39 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:35 risk.nuke wrote:On January 15 2012 02:29 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 15 2012 02:17 risk.nuke wrote:He made some bad posts and then disappears, agree. It's odd, but some people have to do stuff on the weekend. He's def a candidate though - Jay I just realised this. Look at my posthistory and tell me if you would describe it as "I made some bad posts". SCUM for softdefending me without seeing my filter. I don't know, if I should respond to that. L had a point and called me out for a reason. I like to clarify things then. And it is important to do so. But your accusation is clearly OMGUS. I didn't even really accuse you and said you might be busy during the weekend. Who are you to tell me that I didn't look into your filter and that I don't keep a spreadsheet? That's just not right. Also, notice how I said bad, not scummy. So a) you're campaign "always a townie" was just. well, bad. I didn't like it, it felt generic, it was badly formated and it lacked a solid gameplan. b) calling out rgSchworz because he didn't like your campaign either in a very agressive and condescending way. again, not even really scummy. just bad. All in all yeah, I think you are one candidate to look out for. After this post even more. Although, and I repeat myself here, I don't even think you're scummy, but you seem scummy, because your posts lack quality. What omgus are you speaking of? Try to get into my head as I am getting into his head. He is doing a typical scum-move, softdefend the townie, In itself it's not a scummy move. Scum loves to do this but townies do this to and that is not what I am reacting on. Here is the thing. Jay refered to my posts as bad. Which to anyone who looks at them could see they are clearly not bad. They are few but there isn't a single irrelevant/bad post in there. So why would anyone call them bad? Well they wouldn't. So why would Jay defend me without reading my filter. Well because he is scum and therefor know I am town and unluckily assumed that the reason I was looked at was a bad post. He was beeing uncarefull and made a scumslip. And Jay haven't accused me so how can It be omgus. Look at the mass contradictions in his followup post. "I wasn't accusing you, but this is omgus" and "I don't think you're scum but you're scummy" <--- WHAT? He is also bringing up rgSchwors which makes no sense unless perhaps feels it's more pro-town to ignore attacks on you. I was just arguing/discussion with rhSchwors when he attacked my candidacy which is the natural thing to do. He's just trying hard to make me look bad. On January 15 2012 02:32 Mattchew wrote:
yay for risk.nuke and jayjay tunneling one another because they disagree mattchew, he might be tunneling the me, but I am clearly not tunneling him with one post. Why on earth did you make a post like that for because it's purpose seemed to be to minimize, lessen and prevent discussion of this. Which seems incredibly biased.
If I'm elected I'll lynch Jay, I support BC for the election stronger then before because of jay's efforts against him. I most certainly accused you. "He's def a candidate though" is what you call defending? Maybe you weren't as good of a lawyer. And saying I'm scum is pretty much tunneling. And just because I think your posts are bad? Of course, you think they're good, but there may be differen opinions. Finally, please format your posts a little better.
The formating of that post is fine, another attempts to make me look bad on irrelevant matters and it is a scummove because townies need to be unbiased and openminded, that is why tunneling is bad to begin with. Jay you are scum, you know it, I know it. But for you to help me convince my fellow town of this please let's discuss what matters. You may begin with pointing out which of my posts were bad.
|
Mattchew was walking to the post office to send a letter to his friend. He also had his bundle of campaign posters in his bag ready to post around the town. All of a sudden, he noticed a large shadow directly above him. Before he could look up to see what it was, he was crushed under the massive weight of the object. As a crowd gathered 'round to look at the book that fell from the sky, they knew that the Fates had taken matters into their own hands.
Mattchew the Mason has been modkilled.
+ Show Spoiler +Seriously though, guys. Everyone go back and read the rules right now. Ignorance will not be tolerated.
|
On January 15 2012 03:46 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:39 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 15 2012 03:35 risk.nuke wrote:On January 15 2012 02:29 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 15 2012 02:17 risk.nuke wrote:He made some bad posts and then disappears, agree. It's odd, but some people have to do stuff on the weekend. He's def a candidate though - Jay I just realised this. Look at my posthistory and tell me if you would describe it as "I made some bad posts". SCUM for softdefending me without seeing my filter. I don't know, if I should respond to that. L had a point and called me out for a reason. I like to clarify things then. And it is important to do so. But your accusation is clearly OMGUS. I didn't even really accuse you and said you might be busy during the weekend. Who are you to tell me that I didn't look into your filter and that I don't keep a spreadsheet? That's just not right. Also, notice how I said bad, not scummy. So a) you're campaign "always a townie" was just. well, bad. I didn't like it, it felt generic, it was badly formated and it lacked a solid gameplan. b) calling out rgSchworz because he didn't like your campaign either in a very agressive and condescending way. again, not even really scummy. just bad. All in all yeah, I think you are one candidate to look out for. After this post even more. Although, and I repeat myself here, I don't even think you're scummy, but you seem scummy, because your posts lack quality. What omgus are you speaking of? Try to get into my head as I am getting into his head. He is doing a typical scum-move, softdefend the townie, In itself it's not a scummy move. Scum loves to do this but townies do this to and that is not what I am reacting on. Here is the thing. Jay refered to my posts as bad. Which to anyone who looks at them could see they are clearly not bad. They are few but there isn't a single irrelevant/bad post in there. So why would anyone call them bad? Well they wouldn't. So why would Jay defend me without reading my filter. Well because he is scum and therefor know I am town and unluckily assumed that the reason I was looked at was a bad post. He was beeing uncarefull and made a scumslip. And Jay haven't accused me so how can It be omgus. Look at the mass contradictions in his followup post. "I wasn't accusing you, but this is omgus" and "I don't think you're scum but you're scummy" <--- WHAT? He is also bringing up rgSchwors which makes no sense unless perhaps feels it's more pro-town to ignore attacks on you. I was just arguing/discussion with rhSchwors when he attacked my candidacy which is the natural thing to do. He's just trying hard to make me look bad. On January 15 2012 02:32 Mattchew wrote:
yay for risk.nuke and jayjay tunneling one another because they disagree mattchew, he might be tunneling the me, but I am clearly not tunneling him with one post. Why on earth did you make a post like that for because it's purpose seemed to be to minimize, lessen and prevent discussion of this. Which seems incredibly biased.
If I'm elected I'll lynch Jay, I support BC for the election stronger then before because of jay's efforts against him. I most certainly accused you. "He's def a candidate though" is what you call defending? Maybe you weren't as good of a lawyer. And saying I'm scum is pretty much tunneling. And just because I think your posts are bad? Of course, you think they're good, but there may be differen opinions. Finally, please format your posts a little better. The formating of that post is fine, another attempts to make me look bad on irrelevant matters and it is a scummove because townies need to be unbiased and openminded, that is why tunneling is bad to begin with. Jay you are scum, you know it, I know it. But for you to help me convince my fellow town of this please let's discuss what matters. You may begin with pointing out which of my posts were bad.
oh boy. This is my last response to you. Our little feud is getting town nowhere.
Here you go with bad posts:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=76576&user=76576
Campaign, generic horrible structured, lack of game plan.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=29#573
Condescending one liner, no content to discuss. random spam
oh and most recently:
On January 15 2012 02:17 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +He made some bad posts and then disappears, agree. It's odd, but some people have to do stuff on the weekend. He's def a candidate though - Jay I just realised this. Look at my posthistory and tell me if you would describe it as "I made some bad posts". SCUM for softdefending me without seeing my filter.
Didn't even read a single line. I say you are def a lynch candidate and you respond that I scummishly softdefending? If you quote a single line, please read it properly. It's funny that I'm not even on BCs scum list, even though I made a lot of points against him. That's because I put a lot of effort into a lot of posts which try to help town.
other than that formating does actually matter. Because a good post is well structured and not a single wall of text. I'm not trying to make you look bad, your posts do by itself. You fail to add content, you don't read posts properly and your posting style is not good either.
so there's that, if you answer, be warned, I won't answer, because I'm done with you, not in a OMGUS way, but a do whatever you want way. BC I'll answer you later on, have to think about it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BYLTQ.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.goldenlaurel.com/images/KTH/Web-Rule-Book-Cover.gif)
