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On January 25 2012 07:53 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2012 07:17 Ver wrote:On January 24 2012 13:51 bumatlarge wrote:Call me crazy, but this was the last post of a VETERAN PLAYER WHO HAPPENS TO BE A DETECTIVE. On January 22 2012 06:26 Protactinium wrote:On January 21 2012 17:33 Foolishness wrote:
Mafia list has to be something like:
Meapak, Munk-E, Bill Murray, evantrees, BrownBear, Kenpachi.
Substitute in glurio, Opz, EchelonTee, vaderseven, Slardar for the ones that flip town. On January 21 2012 17:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Foolishness amend the list please. I strongly believe atm WBG has a high chance of flipping red.
I would place glurio higher on your list. I also believe that based on play, opz is far more likely to be red. Disagree here. I don't see why Meapak is a strong case yet. I'm sticking with Bill Murray OpZ bumatlarge Don't see wbg either. His play fits his town play more than mafia even if he is wrong a lot. Then go on to inactives. I don't think Kenpachi is red based on L's statements suggesting that Kurumi shot Ciryandor. I'm going to guess that L truly did think Kurumi would shoot Kenpachi, and thus didn't roleblock him that night, but it backfired (nobody else claimed the Ciryandor shot). L also was pushing Kenpachi strangely, so it doesn't fit strongly in my book. evantrees feels town to me for his earlier response to my accusation. It feels pretty spontaneous and unplanned. Everyone else is fair game. Bill Murray dies tomorrow, and we vote for double lynch. OpZ and bumatlarge die the next day. gee i wonder if this should impact who i think is scum... Missed this earlier but pretty lol. After incog hands the town every mafia its killed and flips detective (even if he is noob dt), he gives a 3/3 mafia list and a bunch of innocents correctly and is immediately double shot afterwards. Instead of just listening to him, town proceeds to ignore it and focus on wild conspiracy theories while the mafia was trying to lynch its own players lol. Also Hiro your case was quite good. I think it could've been a little more convincing if you had used mafia 48 as additional evidence as well as a game where he was town. Something like pointing out the contrast between sandroba's day 1 and day 2 behavior in both games and showing the incongruence of his play as mafia versus how he plays as town. Basically the thing with cases is that most of the time you have to add in additional reinforcement to convince people that didn't factor in to you making your decision. But your posts were very pro town and I can't conceive how people thought you were suspicious. Probably would've been more optimal to just say cyber was town though and not give his role. That only helps the town. Only if he had said it from the get-go IMO. I figured he meant me about halfway through day 4, and knew he was going to reveal me as medic, I just wanted to see it come out correctly to be sure of him. I was tossing up whether to disagree with him, and push him for lynch before revealing day 5, or whether to full claim night 4 like I did, and then I realised mafia would know it was the truth.
Yeah that was a mistake. During day 3 BM had me covenced that he was town and I believed his hatter claim. At that point I had a strong town read on protac, and I did not want him to die. I thought risk.nuke and evantrees were scum because they came in the thread after lurking for a bit and tried to swing the votes from Sandroba to BM. I was sitting at my computer going back and forth on whether or not it would be optimal to claim at this point, and I had work in like 15 min lol. Then I decided to claim and wrote it hastily without saying that sandroba was just a goon. I realized my mistake after I had claimed that my second check came back green, when of course it was blue. I realized how this would make me look, and I decided that I would just keep that info to my self unless C_C came to a lynch.
When VE started to hammer me I decided not to respond because I did not want the thread to be derailed from the BM lynch whom I now thought was Mafia based on him saying he would not remove his bomb from protac. So I just left the thread, whitch I think was the right move. I did have a PM chat with glurio though during that time:
+ Show Spoiler +After reading opz filter he really looks scummy. He's probably my best bet for the next lynch.
If BM does flip town, which i really hope he doesn't, we do need to look into BC.
VE is weird lately, i actually had him as town most of the game, but i'm not so sure anymore.
Yes we can also talk during night.
Original Message From hiro protagonist:
I agree with BM, He needs to die. If he is somehow town at this point... I am gonna be sad
Ether way his flip will reveal a lot of info. I am like 90% sure he will flip scum at this point. His actions speech for themselves. If you look at the voting thread, over half of the people in the game had not voted yet at the half way point on day one. there is hesitancy In voting for him, as well as attempts by others to have a second lynch target up (AKA VE pushing me, OPZ pushing Meapak etc.). flipping red would make WBG, BC, foolishness, all pretty much confirmed town in my eye.
If Bill flips town (god forbid), then my initial thought about how mafia was trying to divert the lynch off Sandroba and on to BM was right.
I know you said you have been busy, but your lurkyness makes you seem scummy. If you are town, try and post a bit more. It does not have to be huge post, just some stances on issues and transparency ^__^
I will be around for most of the day, so feel free to bounce ideas off me. We can talk during the night cycle right? Lets try and bounce ideas off each other on who is scum after BM flips.
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Original Message From glurio:
I still believe BM is the best lynch for today, although it was pretty clear yesterday hes gonna get lynched he didn't use his jail ability. Lying about being a mad hatter. I just find him irritating. He has to go.
Other candidates are the always scummy looking WBG, supersoft and opz.
I'm not sure about BC and p4n. Both i had as clear town but as the game progressed they look scummier and scummier, might be just me imagining things though.
What are your thoughts?
Original Message From hiro protagonist:
Or, if IM wont work for you we can just PM.
who do you think is the best lynch today?
As you can see, he was on the right track on OPZ. So after the flip of BM I had planed to out C_C right before the day post as a medic to confirm both of us, as I felt It would be safe at that point. Things to learn for next time ^__^
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On January 25 2012 07:53 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2012 07:17 Ver wrote:On January 24 2012 13:51 bumatlarge wrote:Call me crazy, but this was the last post of a VETERAN PLAYER WHO HAPPENS TO BE A DETECTIVE. On January 22 2012 06:26 Protactinium wrote:On January 21 2012 17:33 Foolishness wrote:
Mafia list has to be something like:
Meapak, Munk-E, Bill Murray, evantrees, BrownBear, Kenpachi.
Substitute in glurio, Opz, EchelonTee, vaderseven, Slardar for the ones that flip town. On January 21 2012 17:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Foolishness amend the list please. I strongly believe atm WBG has a high chance of flipping red.
I would place glurio higher on your list. I also believe that based on play, opz is far more likely to be red. Disagree here. I don't see why Meapak is a strong case yet. I'm sticking with Bill Murray OpZ bumatlarge Don't see wbg either. His play fits his town play more than mafia even if he is wrong a lot. Then go on to inactives. I don't think Kenpachi is red based on L's statements suggesting that Kurumi shot Ciryandor. I'm going to guess that L truly did think Kurumi would shoot Kenpachi, and thus didn't roleblock him that night, but it backfired (nobody else claimed the Ciryandor shot). L also was pushing Kenpachi strangely, so it doesn't fit strongly in my book. evantrees feels town to me for his earlier response to my accusation. It feels pretty spontaneous and unplanned. Everyone else is fair game. Bill Murray dies tomorrow, and we vote for double lynch. OpZ and bumatlarge die the next day. gee i wonder if this should impact who i think is scum... Missed this earlier but pretty lol. After incog hands the town every mafia its killed and flips detective (even if he is noob dt), he gives a 3/3 mafia list and a bunch of innocents correctly and is immediately double shot afterwards. Instead of just listening to him, town proceeds to ignore it and focus on wild conspiracy theories while the mafia was trying to lynch its own players lol. Also Hiro your case was quite good. I think it could've been a little more convincing if you had used mafia 48 as additional evidence as well as a game where he was town. Something like pointing out the contrast between sandroba's day 1 and day 2 behavior in both games and showing the incongruence of his play as mafia versus how he plays as town. Basically the thing with cases is that most of the time you have to add in additional reinforcement to convince people that didn't factor in to you making your decision. But your posts were very pro town and I can't conceive how people thought you were suspicious. Probably would've been more optimal to just say cyber was town though and not give his role. That only helps the town. Only if he had said it from the get-go IMO. I figured he meant me about halfway through day 4, and knew he was going to reveal me as medic, I just wanted to see it come out correctly to be sure of him. I was tossing up whether to disagree with him, and push him for lynch before revealing day 5, or whether to full claim night 4 like I did, and then I realised mafia would know it was the truth.
yeah but noone should have asked him about the 2nd check in the first place. He clearly was town after sandroba imo and everything else he posted was clearly pro-town so I don't know why people doubted hiro at all.
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Personally I really wanted Hiro's town read because it would have been one less filter to re-read. That seemed a bit selfish though.
I didn't have any significant doubt about Hiro's claim because it made complete sense and scum seemed too disorganised to cook up anything that plausible except by blind luck.
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yeah idk. there really were only very few people who didn't look townie. If it would have been a check on people like kenpachi, slardar or glurio yeah, that would have helped but saying someone who already looks townie is townie isn't really needed, especially after all his "i won't tell people" because everyone knew it was a blue at that point.
But that's just my opinion, we had more than enough information to get 90% of people confirmed townie
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On January 25 2012 06:38 L wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 23:38 Jackal58 wrote:On January 24 2012 23:34 L wrote:
Annnnd back on hiatus. You're safe. I only had 1 bullet. Full retard team is scarier than bullets.
Come now L, you didn't even realize the game had started til day one was practically over.
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Do people feel like my vig shot on GGQ was a good or bad move.
I figured there was a good chance he would flip scum and at the very least having him gone helped to focus the town.
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On January 25 2012 10:33 vaderseven wrote:
Do people feel like my vig shot on GGQ was a good or bad move.
I figured there was a good chance he would flip scum and at the very least having him gone helped to focus the town.
It wasn't a bad move IMO. there was a lot of suspicion around him, and he would have most likely have been brought up as a lynch target from mafia, as it would have been a safe mislynch to push without getting there hands dirty. He was also a safe shot for you because he said he should be shot after defending Macpo, which meant that he was ether vanilla town, or scum using WIFOM as a defense, but he was most surly not Blue when he said that.
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Ya that was the post that made me feel it was a good move.
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On January 25 2012 07:19 hiro protagonist wrote:I have a hunch that Sandro was not actually drunk when he typed this (though I do think he was drunk during day 1): Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 13:18 sandroba wrote:
`Holy fucking shit gotta read 30+ pages drunk. Be back in a while after I finish. Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 13:44 sandroba wrote:
Holy fucking shigt toadstem every post you make you call me mafia at lest 7 times wtf is wrong with you. I nddv to crash i'll read every \\tihionh tp,prow This seemed like he was acting to me, but I might be wrong? Mind clarifying this for me sandro?  Edit: Thanks Ver for the feedback!
No he definitely was drunk, he wasn't trolling and he really was away rather than lurking. And had he been town, he would never have lynched a BG, the point was just to discourage mafia from substituting
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On January 25 2012 10:27 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2012 06:38 L wrote:On January 24 2012 23:38 Jackal58 wrote:On January 24 2012 23:34 L wrote:
Annnnd back on hiatus. You're safe. I only had 1 bullet. Full retard team is scarier than bullets. Come now L, you didn't even realize the game had started til day one was practically over.
That makes it even sadder.
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Can someone from the scum team explain why I was shot? 
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Not gonna lie to you, I considered blowing your brains out for that mason plan
Cant imagine why the scum did it though, probably blue hunting. I can only assume that's why I was shot, that and everyone minus bugs and cheese declaring how town I looked with my whopping 5 posts.
Edit: After a little bit of thought, id say they were hunting mayoral campaigners who were seeking protection of bodyguards, since they were blue. Im still impressed that Kita wasn't dead first night, that was a huge save.
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By the way guys:
On January 16 2012 19:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 18:54 rgTheSchworz wrote:On January 16 2012 16:58 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
##Vote rgTheSchworz Please explain. How could you possibly miss that four times?
I FUCKIN KNEW IT
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