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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 24 2012 19:50 GMT
#4361
I tend to agree with VE. You're getting lynched today BrownBear.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
January 24 2012 19:50 GMT
#4362
Can we play nice, BB and VE? Please? I hate it when the postgame turns into an insult-fest.

Don't make me attack the thread with candy colored ponies!
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
January 24 2012 19:54 GMT
#4363
hooooly crap GM Banling, grats

And yes, I'm done. ggz
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hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
January 24 2012 19:54 GMT
#4364
So I thought that my case on sandro was good, but most people here seems to have thought that it was bad. Its been apparent to me for a while that the weakest part of my game is my presentation. Like, my reads are often good lately( I have been obvs lots of games lately, like in responsibility mafia, I guessed that sillo was mafia night 1 and kita was mafia day 3), but I have a difficult time making well constructed posts that push my agenda. What should I have done differently In regards to pushing sandro?
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 24 2012 20:44 GMT
#4365
@Hiro: That's tough. I don't think there was much real evidence against Sandroba except general post quality, as he was effectively playing solo and calling players as he saw them. I suppose you could have dug up his (town) Mini Mafia X game for comparison, as the distinction is striking.
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
January 24 2012 21:00 GMT
#4366
yeah, that would have been a good idea to compare his town play as well. In my attempt to paint him red, I forgot to talk about the whole picture. too much tunnel vision on my part. thanks for the feedback
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 24 2012 21:22 GMT
#4367
What did I even do?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
January 24 2012 21:30 GMT
#4368
On January 25 2012 06:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
What did I even do?

Apparently nothing, I can't find the post I thought I saw BB quote with you saying something mean. Oh well, never mind, everyone should play nice ^_^
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 24 2012 21:32 GMT
#4369
On January 25 2012 06:30 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 06:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
What did I even do?

Apparently nothing, I can't find the post I thought I saw BB quote with you saying something mean. Oh well, never mind, everyone should play nice ^_^


That hammer's made you twitchy. :D
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
January 24 2012 21:38 GMT
#4370
On January 24 2012 23:38 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 23:34 L wrote:
Annnnd back on hiatus.

You're safe. I only had 1 bullet.

Full retard team is scarier than bullets.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 21:40:31
January 24 2012 21:39 GMT
#4371
On January 25 2012 05:44 jaj22 wrote:
@Hiro: That's tough. I don't think there was much real evidence against Sandroba except general post quality, as he was effectively playing solo and calling players as he saw them. I suppose you could have dug up his (town) Mini Mafia X game for comparison, as the distinction is striking.


I still think his trolling is a sign for mafia beause imo he starts doing that a lot as mafia when he wants to say something and needs to conceil the fact that he basicly has nothing.
I mean when he was asked to stop bullshitting around and explain his thought on cyri and why he thinks he's mafia he refused to do so and said "well because he's ugly and smells".
I really think town sandroba would have posted a couple of lines to explain his thought, at least when directly asked, but apperently everyone else thought it's fine
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 24 2012 21:55 GMT
#4372
I was wondering if someone would make the argument "Sandroba only gets drunk when he rolls scum"
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 24 2012 22:17 GMT
#4373
On January 25 2012 06:39 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 05:44 jaj22 wrote:
@Hiro: That's tough. I don't think there was much real evidence against Sandroba except general post quality, as he was effectively playing solo and calling players as he saw them. I suppose you could have dug up his (town) Mini Mafia X game for comparison, as the distinction is striking.


I still think his trolling is a sign for mafia beause imo he starts doing that a lot as mafia when he wants to say something and needs to conceil the fact that he basicly has nothing.
I mean when he was asked to stop bullshitting around and explain his thought on cyri and why he thinks he's mafia he refused to do so and said "well because he's ugly and smells".
I really think town sandroba would have posted a couple of lines to explain his thought, at least when directly asked, but apperently everyone else thought it's fine


but then again, palmar was pretty much the same and only the fact that he tried that last game as town as well made me wonder :p
So I guess I had a lucky day with my reads, could have been the other way around as well.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 22:32:25
January 24 2012 22:17 GMT
#4374
On January 24 2012 13:51 bumatlarge wrote:
Call me crazy, but this was the last post of a VETERAN PLAYER WHO HAPPENS TO BE A DETECTIVE.

Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 06:26 Protactinium wrote:
On January 21 2012 17:33 Foolishness wrote:
Mafia list has to be something like:

Meapak, Munk-E, Bill Murray, evantrees, BrownBear, Kenpachi.

Substitute in glurio, Opz, EchelonTee, vaderseven, Slardar for the ones that flip town.

On January 21 2012 17:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Foolishness amend the list please. I strongly believe atm WBG has a high chance of flipping red.

I would place glurio higher on your list. I also believe that based on play, opz is far more likely to be red.


Disagree here.

I don't see why Meapak is a strong case yet. I'm sticking with

Bill Murray
OpZ
bumatlarge

Don't see wbg either. His play fits his town play more than mafia even if he is wrong a lot.

Then go on to inactives.

I don't think Kenpachi is red based on L's statements suggesting that Kurumi shot Ciryandor. I'm going to guess that L truly did think Kurumi would shoot Kenpachi, and thus didn't roleblock him that night, but it backfired (nobody else claimed the Ciryandor shot). L also was pushing Kenpachi strangely, so it doesn't fit strongly in my book.

evantrees feels town to me for his earlier response to my accusation. It feels pretty spontaneous and unplanned.

Everyone else is fair game.

Bill Murray dies tomorrow, and we vote for double lynch. OpZ and bumatlarge die the next day.


gee i wonder if this should impact who i think is scum...


Missed this earlier but pretty lol. After incog hands the town every mafia its killed and flips detective (even if he is noob dt), he gives a 3/3 mafia list and a bunch of innocents correctly and is immediately double shot afterwards. Instead of just listening to him, town proceeds to ignore it and focus on wild conspiracy theories while the mafia was trying to lynch its own players lol.

Also Hiro your case was quite good. I think it could've been a little more convincing if you had used mafia 48 as additional evidence as well as a game where he was town. Something like pointing out the contrast between sandroba's day 1 and day 2 behavior in both games and showing the incongruence of his play as mafia versus how he plays as town. Basically the thing with cases is that most of the time you have to add in additional reinforcement to convince people that didn't factor in to you making your decision. But your posts were very pro town and I can't conceive how people thought you were suspicious. Probably would've been more optimal to just say cyber was town though and not give his role. That only helps the town.
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hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 22:56:41
January 24 2012 22:19 GMT
#4375
I have a hunch that Sandro was not actually drunk when he typed this (though I do think he was drunk during day 1):

On January 20 2012 13:18 sandroba wrote:
`Holy fucking shit gotta read 30+ pages drunk. Be back in a while after I finish.

On January 20 2012 13:44 sandroba wrote:
Holy fucking shigt toadstem every post you make you call me mafia at lest 7 times wtf is wrong with you. I nddv to crash i'll read every \\tihionh tp,prow


This seemed like he was acting to me, but I might be wrong? Mind clarifying this for me sandro?

Edit: Thanks Ver for the feedback!
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 24 2012 22:53 GMT
#4376
On January 25 2012 07:17 Ver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 13:51 bumatlarge wrote:
Call me crazy, but this was the last post of a VETERAN PLAYER WHO HAPPENS TO BE A DETECTIVE.

On January 22 2012 06:26 Protactinium wrote:
On January 21 2012 17:33 Foolishness wrote:
Mafia list has to be something like:

Meapak, Munk-E, Bill Murray, evantrees, BrownBear, Kenpachi.

Substitute in glurio, Opz, EchelonTee, vaderseven, Slardar for the ones that flip town.

On January 21 2012 17:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Foolishness amend the list please. I strongly believe atm WBG has a high chance of flipping red.

I would place glurio higher on your list. I also believe that based on play, opz is far more likely to be red.


Disagree here.

I don't see why Meapak is a strong case yet. I'm sticking with

Bill Murray
OpZ
bumatlarge

Don't see wbg either. His play fits his town play more than mafia even if he is wrong a lot.

Then go on to inactives.

I don't think Kenpachi is red based on L's statements suggesting that Kurumi shot Ciryandor. I'm going to guess that L truly did think Kurumi would shoot Kenpachi, and thus didn't roleblock him that night, but it backfired (nobody else claimed the Ciryandor shot). L also was pushing Kenpachi strangely, so it doesn't fit strongly in my book.

evantrees feels town to me for his earlier response to my accusation. It feels pretty spontaneous and unplanned.

Everyone else is fair game.

Bill Murray dies tomorrow, and we vote for double lynch. OpZ and bumatlarge die the next day.


gee i wonder if this should impact who i think is scum...


Missed this earlier but pretty lol. After incog hands the town every mafia its killed and flips detective (even if he is noob dt), he gives a 3/3 mafia list and a bunch of innocents correctly and is immediately double shot afterwards. Instead of just listening to him, town proceeds to ignore it and focus on wild conspiracy theories while the mafia was trying to lynch its own players lol.

Also Hiro your case was quite good. I think it could've been a little more convincing if you had used mafia 48 as additional evidence as well as a game where he was town. Something like pointing out the contrast between sandroba's day 1 and day 2 behavior in both games and showing the incongruence of his play as mafia versus how he plays as town. Basically the thing with cases is that most of the time you have to add in additional reinforcement to convince people that didn't factor in to you making your decision. But your posts were very pro town and I can't conceive how people thought you were suspicious. Probably would've been more optimal to just say cyber was town though and not give his role. That only helps the town.

Only if he had said it from the get-go IMO.
I figured he meant me about halfway through day 4, and knew he was going to reveal me as medic, I just wanted to see it come out correctly to be sure of him.
I was tossing up whether to disagree with him, and push him for lynch before revealing day 5, or whether to full claim night 4 like I did, and then I realised mafia would know it was the truth.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 24 2012 22:58 GMT
#4377
On January 25 2012 07:17 Ver wrote:
Missed this earlier but pretty lol. After incog hands the town every mafia its killed and flips detective (even if he is noob dt), he gives a 3/3 mafia list and a bunch of innocents correctly and is immediately double shot afterwards. Instead of just listening to him, town proceeds to ignore it and focus on wild conspiracy theories while the mafia was trying to lynch its own players lol.

I thought I should probably try to break that up but we were lynching Bill anyway and I was kinda enjoying the conspiracy theories

On January 25 2012 07:17 Ver wrote:
But your posts were very pro town and I can't conceive how people thought you were suspicious.

Jumping straight into a case like that just didn't look anything like what I've seen before from Hiro, although I don't think I've seen his more recent games. I immediately marked him down as DT or scumcoached.

hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
January 24 2012 23:04 GMT
#4378
Have we played in a game together before jaj22? where you the one that said earlier that you enjoyed my play in MiniMafia X? I remember thinking that ether you were making fun of me or you did not read that game closely because I played teribad that game haha

nice reads from you this game btw
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
January 24 2012 23:23 GMT
#4379
On January 25 2012 08:04 hiro protagonist wrote:
Have we played in a game together before jaj22? where you the one that said earlier that you enjoyed my play in MiniMafia X? I remember thinking that ether you were making fun of me or you did not read that game closely because I played teribad that game haha

nice reads from you this game btw


No, that was me

Your play wasnt as bad as the scum team made it out to be.

Only reason I even suspected you was because of Erandorr and his meta (which is proving to be inaccurate anyway, last 2 games hes gone totally missing as town).


Echelon, I knew you weren't scum this game. I think you said it best last game: "I'm going to be a little lost when I roll town without teammates to help me". Your play fit the bill, but I wouldn't take much away from being lost in this choas, it was a mess.

BM, you still never answered my question on page 78... Were you trying to breadcrumb those two names as your bodyguards as i suspected? By that point I was already heavily suspicious of you, if you acknowledged that question in any form, I was viging kingjames that night, and after he flipped non-BG, I was coming after you.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 24 2012 23:27 GMT
#4380
On January 25 2012 06:38 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 23:38 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 24 2012 23:34 L wrote:
Annnnd back on hiatus.

You're safe. I only had 1 bullet.

Full retard team is scarier than bullets.

I fell you pain man. Playing scum is hard enough but getting stuck with people that don't care or don't get it is extremely frustrating. Winning as the bad guys requires a team effort.


On January 25 2012 07:17 Ver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 13:51 bumatlarge wrote:
Call me crazy, but this was the last post of a VETERAN PLAYER WHO HAPPENS TO BE A DETECTIVE.

On January 22 2012 06:26 Protactinium wrote:
On January 21 2012 17:33 Foolishness wrote:
Mafia list has to be something like:

Meapak, Munk-E, Bill Murray, evantrees, BrownBear, Kenpachi.

Substitute in glurio, Opz, EchelonTee, vaderseven, Slardar for the ones that flip town.

On January 21 2012 17:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Foolishness amend the list please. I strongly believe atm WBG has a high chance of flipping red.

I would place glurio higher on your list. I also believe that based on play, opz is far more likely to be red.


Disagree here.

I don't see why Meapak is a strong case yet. I'm sticking with

Bill Murray
OpZ
bumatlarge

Don't see wbg either. His play fits his town play more than mafia even if he is wrong a lot.

Then go on to inactives.

I don't think Kenpachi is red based on L's statements suggesting that Kurumi shot Ciryandor. I'm going to guess that L truly did think Kurumi would shoot Kenpachi, and thus didn't roleblock him that night, but it backfired (nobody else claimed the Ciryandor shot). L also was pushing Kenpachi strangely, so it doesn't fit strongly in my book.

evantrees feels town to me for his earlier response to my accusation. It feels pretty spontaneous and unplanned.

Everyone else is fair game.

Bill Murray dies tomorrow, and we vote for double lynch. OpZ and bumatlarge die the next day.


gee i wonder if this should impact who i think is scum...


Missed this earlier but pretty lol. After incog hands the town every mafia its killed and flips detective (even if he is noob dt), he gives a 3/3 mafia list and a bunch of innocents correctly and is immediately double shot afterwards. Instead of just listening to him, town proceeds to ignore it and focus on wild conspiracy theories while the mafia was trying to lynch its own players lol.

Also Hiro your case was quite good. I think it could've been a little more convincing if you had used mafia 48 as additional evidence as well as a game where he was town. Something like pointing out the contrast between sandroba's day 1 and day 2 behavior in both games and showing the incongruence of his play as mafia versus how he plays as town. Basically the thing with cases is that most of the time you have to add in additional reinforcement to convince people that didn't factor in to you making your decision. But your posts were very pro town and I can't conceive how people thought you were suspicious. Probably would've been more optimal to just say cyber was town though and not give his role. That only helps the town.

I had written a 10,000 word essay directed at Ph3nom to try to explain to him why he was wrong. Every other word was "suck" or "fuck" so I just deleted it and went to bed.
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