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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 24 2012 17:48 wherebugsgo wrote: well, I feel like it was pretty obvious I was playing badly. Is saying that contributing anything new? IMO, not really. In terms of actual contribution to the game, as townies we have two responsibilities: 1. Find scum and kill them 2. Establish ourselves as town. I failed on #1 but I think for the most part I was okay on #2. No one really thought I was scum beyond VE, and at no point did I ever feel threatened by lynch. If you're not trying to find scum, then what are you doing? I dunno. At no point did I feel like you were actively looking for scum. That's why I was so harsh on you. It wasn't personal or anything (so sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way) but when people don't actually scumhunt, and then berate others for being wrong, it's incredibly frustrating because they can't possibly be wrong when they don't try to begin with. There's this famous hockey quote (or something like that) that says you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Anyway, big thanks to Flamewheel and jcarl for hosting! I didn't take anything personally. So don't worry about that. It's mafia, I know better. But I'll give you some advice for free, you need to expand your thinking when it comes to this game. Your style may work better when it comes to smaller games but you gotta adapt. You should note that I fit your criteria for #2 very well except for perhaps your eyes and risk.nuke, depending on how serious you guys were about shooting me if you could. You may miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take, but it's not always right to take a shot. Sometimes shots make things worse. And what if someone else is better at shooting than you are? You pass them the puck. So why the hell would I start shooting from the hip when we had strong, strong contributions from very strong and almost assuredly townie players? I wasn't mad at you just for being wrong. You were wrong, admitted as such kinda by saying people wouldn't listen to you, but then carried on again doing your own thing when there were excellent contributions from other people that were better to look into in every way. Why did you try to do your own thing so obsessively? For more comparison's sake, compare me with just about every mafia lurker and think about who was more suspicious. Who had me as mafia over opz? Or munk-E? Macpo? L? Nisani? Heck, a bunch of townies were more suspicious than I was. I believe that list includes you. Prolly not by much, though. Point is I was doing my part. You may not choose to acknowledge it but I don't mind. On the other hand you admit to playing badly but it really doesn't seem like you're trying to learn from it at all. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
My lynch was completely retarded. I mean, I guess I can relate to if BC really had no clue what he was doing, but it's just... bad. @Wherebugsgo: I don't like the fact that you are trying to call me out for playing badly. I repeatedly asked you to present a case that wasn't meta, and I explained why your case was not valid. In addition, I tried to get Protactinium into office who fingered Cyriandor, BloodyC0bbler and macpo. I also tried to get VisceraEyes into office. In addition I myself presented a case against Ciryandor and fingered sandroba and BloodyC0bbler. I can't actually see how this is any way scum motivated. The case was terrible, the decision to act on it was terrible. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On January 24 2012 17:30 evantrees wrote: QT was worth the read to me. Also happy I guessed right about bum being a mason, even if he technically got it after. from random notes Butmatlarge mason, wants to start early getting in contact with another, potentially mafia though Probably favorite post from the obs QT. "honestly I think that scum team has realized how terrible this is going and has decided to bus like everyone playing shitty on their team. God if foolishness is scum I could see him winning this game by himself" SOPA demands that you credit me or TL is going down lol | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 24 2012 15:14 Slardar wrote: Yeah, TSN Turning Point provided by none other than Jackal58. What prompted you to shoot him Jackal?  Proactinium. I read L's filter and realized that in all of his posts he actually said absolutely nothing. Boil it all down and you got "Duh". Incog apparently came to the same conclusion at about the same time I did. I was seriously considering waiting another day but I figured there was a pretty good chance I'd get lynched since I was on the same list he had L on. I also briefly considered shooting VE. But his filter wasn't anything at all like L's. So instead of shooting him I just started calling him scum. If VE was scum he would have a major meltdown around the 3rd time I fos'd him. He never did so I was pretty sure he was town. But it was still fun calling him scum. I can't believe people still thought I was scum after shooting their Godfather. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On January 14 2012 20:57 Palmar wrote: No, because you don't have a case. My play is in no way, shape, or form bad. Take away the Palmar name, and you have someone you'd probably have a town read on. This means you're not reading the game objectively, and thus it's your play that's bad, not mine. If you remove meta from a case, it should still have some merit to it. Does yours? The only possible way you're playing well right now, is if you're scum. And the fact that I provided some excellent analysis: + Show Spoiler + On January 15 2012 06:20 Palmar wrote: @Sheth: No, you don't look scummy for defending me, mafia knows my alignment, but you could also simply have come to the correct conclusion. My current read on you is null, or maybe slightly leaning town There is no real benefit in the mason thing, as the role is almost completely irrelevant this game, seeing as both sides have access to it. There is no con other than discussion about it taking up space and thought power that can be put to better use. I've basically decided to ignore the claims. I do however find it weird people are claiming on day 1. I think this game is infested with masons and jacks, and I think the sooner we realize this, the sooner we can actually start getting something done. I think Ciryandor may have screwed up in his very first post. Of all the things in that post what struck me as odd was the speculation if sandroba and I were going to run, just the way it was worded and in the context of his post, it feels like a very insecure statement. I also think BC is a good lynch, because his claim is strictly bad. However, there also exists a scenario where BC believes he's doing something good, when he isn't, and it doesn't make him scum. I'm not sure. Of other people I think VE should be treated as town if CC flips. As scum he'd have used his tunnel on me as an excuse to shoot me, I think. I'm on the fence about bugs. I think Refallen is very townie (or Cwave now). Meapak already looks like town. Kenpachi deserves a bullet, as usual. And still you think it's my play that's bad? Your scum play is excellent, but your town play is really lacking. Also, this is why mayor games suck. I would never have gotten majority lynched, because majority of people aren't stupid. BC didn't even announce he was lynching me until after he had been elected, although he hinted at it. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 24 2012 23:34 L wrote: Annnnd back on hiatus. You're safe. I only had 1 bullet. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On January 24 2012 23:35 Palmar wrote: @Bugs: Even after explaining very clearly why you had no chance of being correct (see spoilered). + Show Spoiler + On January 14 2012 20:57 Palmar wrote: No, because you don't have a case. My play is in no way, shape, or form bad. Take away the Palmar name, and you have someone you'd probably have a town read on. This means you're not reading the game objectively, and thus it's your play that's bad, not mine. If you remove meta from a case, it should still have some merit to it. Does yours? The only possible way you're playing well right now, is if you're scum. And the fact that I provided some excellent analysis: + Show Spoiler + On January 15 2012 06:20 Palmar wrote: @Sheth: No, you don't look scummy for defending me, mafia knows my alignment, but you could also simply have come to the correct conclusion. My current read on you is null, or maybe slightly leaning town There is no real benefit in the mason thing, as the role is almost completely irrelevant this game, seeing as both sides have access to it. There is no con other than discussion about it taking up space and thought power that can be put to better use. I've basically decided to ignore the claims. I do however find it weird people are claiming on day 1. I think this game is infested with masons and jacks, and I think the sooner we realize this, the sooner we can actually start getting something done. I think Ciryandor may have screwed up in his very first post. Of all the things in that post what struck me as odd was the speculation if sandroba and I were going to run, just the way it was worded and in the context of his post, it feels like a very insecure statement. I also think BC is a good lynch, because his claim is strictly bad. However, there also exists a scenario where BC believes he's doing something good, when he isn't, and it doesn't make him scum. I'm not sure. Of other people I think VE should be treated as town if CC flips. As scum he'd have used his tunnel on me as an excuse to shoot me, I think. I'm on the fence about bugs. I think Refallen is very townie (or Cwave now). Meapak already looks like town. Kenpachi deserves a bullet, as usual. And still you think it's my play that's bad? Your scum play is excellent, but your town play is really lacking. Also, this is why mayor games suck. I would never have gotten majority lynched, because majority of people aren't stupid. BC didn't even announce he was lynching me until after he had been elected, although he hinted at it. to repeat what I have said to a few people. Day 1 I got back from work 10ish minutes before the lynch and had to catch up on all the posts made from when i had left like 6 hours before or something like that. The heaviest push on you happened more or less as I left. As i was in a rush to avoid a modkill your name went down as up til I left you were pretty apathetic. Had i been able to fully catch up on the thread before the deadline I most likely wouldn't have picked you, doesn't really mean much now however lol | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
It was seriously hard work keeping up with this game, particularly as I was spending a lot of time checking up meta. Because Bum and Nisani were at the bottom of the player list I barely got around to re-reading them despite having them marked as suspicious. I never managed to post one proper analysis, because L died before I finished one on him, and my BM & OpZ posts got pre-empted. By day 3 I strongly suspected that scum morale was awful which is why I was stressing recent inactivity as a scumtell. | ||
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rgTheSchworz
Romania425 Posts
Now I can pretty much gauge how much time is needed for a mafia game. Hopefully I roll town next one, and don't get manslaughtered | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
I was aware that I wasn't having much impact on the thread, but with the time I had available i tried to do what I could, having ciryandor as my day 1 lynch target and BC as my mayor choice. I suspected Incog at first primarily because of his case against BC when it looked like the town might be ready to unite behind him. After the macpo lynch I pretty much decided to trust protact/BC/foolishness for the forseeable future. About macpo, when people wanted to lynch him for being uncertain and self-doubting in his first post, I wanted to defend him because I remember in my first game being very hesitent and having no confidence at all. Guess that's a scumtell for a reason. Mostly the game was proceeding in an acceptable manner (aside from way too much unnecessary posting), so there was no need for me to do anything drastic. I know it's important for townies to establish their innocence and I will hopefully do better at that next time, but it was actually pretty enlightening to be the target of various accusations and to be able to judge people's intent based on the way the accusations were made. I never responded to any of them, either because they were dozens of pages back when I finally caught up to the thread, or because I just didn't feel threatened. Maybe I should have been more worried but I wasn't. I've never been lynched as town and I didn't intend to start. | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On January 24 2012 19:45 Jackal58 wrote: Wow. Game is over and I'm alive. That doesn't happen unless I'm scum. GG all. Scum slip. Vig this fool. @Meapek, really liked how you broke down the roles people play in the meta-game and how they work. Really interesting. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On January 25 2012 00:35 rgTheSchworz wrote: GG, apologies to the scum team, my computer broke down before I could vote. Now I can pretty much gauge how much time is needed for a mafia game. Hopefully I roll town next one, and don't get manslaughtered Using this game to gauge how much time is needed isn't very reliable. Most games don't have 50 players. | ||
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rgTheSchworz
Romania425 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 25 2012 00:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: to repeat what I have said to a few people. Day 1 I got back from work 10ish minutes before the lynch and had to catch up on all the posts made from when i had left like 6 hours before or something like that. The heaviest push on you happened more or less as I left. As i was in a rush to avoid a modkill your name went down as up til I left you were pretty apathetic. Had i been able to fully catch up on the thread before the deadline I most likely wouldn't have picked you, doesn't really mean much now however lol Yes, by your response I figured as much. It really did seem like you genuinely just went with an easy lynch since you didn't have time to actually scumhunt. I mean, I don't care that much, it's actually a good opportunity for people to understand why meta is bad. It's bad play, and I'm certain that in hindsight you agree it was bad play, but I mean, we all fuck up. Me lynching YM in that huge-ass game wasn't much better, although I did provide a case, but that case just concluded he was being an asshole, which should have told me he's town, not the other way around. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On January 25 2012 00:55 Palmar wrote: Yes, by your response I figured as much. It really did seem like you genuinely just went with an easy lynch since you didn't have time to actually scumhunt. I mean, I don't care that much, it's actually a good opportunity for people to understand why meta is bad. It's bad play, and I'm certain that in hindsight you agree it was bad play, but I mean, we all fuck up. Me lynching YM in that huge-ass game wasn't much better, although I did provide a case, but that case just concluded he was being an asshole, which should have told me he's town, not the other way around. Essentially this. I can't believe they let BM off the hook day 3 because of his meta. Yes the bomb thing did play a part, but when the posts are 'It's BM, he could do anything', that's just stupidity. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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