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RE: Mattchew/Mayor, ect. ect.
There are a few reasons, at least in my own mind. What's the motivation for pushing a player that isn't as a vaunted scumhunter as others? You said it yourself - they have the protection and the auto-lynch ability thing. In fact, you yourself have said before that you want a Veteran in office so that they can use their abilities to push a strong lynch candidate through:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 14 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:/confirmed Thoughts: (stealing format from EchelonTee) kitaman I don't think that this is a bad campaign post and I actually liked what he said except for how he isn't the best town player. He just seems a little to passive and I don't think that he is the best person to vote for. bumatlarge-(also made a post here) If this was a smaller game or if we all knew each other and were all vets I would say his list of to-do's for blues was scummy. But this is a huge game, with a lot of new players that might be getting roles they have never had before. I don't like the "mason me!" but I do think that this is helpful to town. Other than the list his campaign is cookie cutter. Not getting my vote for mayor. Wiggles You want to play the game first and worry about being mayor second. Thats fine and good but will not earn my vote. CCScum play is bad = vote me mayor. No thanks. Foolishness (for BM)I would like this a lot if there was evidence to support this. Would like to see some games from BM as town or where Foolishness caught on to him early, or both, and by or both I mean please link both examples. risk.nukeAnother campaign starting with I am not a very good town. BMSeems pro-town. Still want evidence from him or foolishness on previous games because that seems to be the base of their campaign BCHe is the best candidate in my opinion. Strong leadership, confidence and experience. sandroba"I get shot early alot and Im decent at scum hunting." It will be great to have you on the town team and if you do well scum hunting hopefully you get a medic. But this isn't the leader I want with 3 votes or a jailing ability. VEI think I still want a vet in office. Sorry, maybe I end up looking stupid but keeping someone who is proven to be better than others for town alive is a priority for me.MeapakThe second strongest candidate behind BC. Proven vet and already active. He is also honest, he says "i want the protection". I feel like scum would shy away from saying something like this.
It makes sense. With the amount of experience that could possibly roll into an elected, protected position, you would want someone that is, equally, a good scumhunter and analytically strong player.
But than you run for the position as well. And you even say yourself that you are not the strongest town player. I think that plays into the part on how you could be Foolishness's puppet.
Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from you gaining the Mayor position over an experienced town player? I could. The three reasons you explained that you wanted Mayor position were pretty meak, in my opinion.
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Not to mention, BC declared his mason status 7 hours before you did, why are you a better choice than him, if the main thing confirming you as town is how quickly you declared your role?
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^that post was aimed at Mattchew
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Hey I'm the replacement and plan to be active, sadly something came up for tonight, so I can't read up on what happened so far.
I'll do it tomorrow and post my thoughts as soon as I'm done, I do have to vote though. So I will vote for whoever has the most votes right now.
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What's strange is I read that post several times and still missed it.
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On January 15 2012 02:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Mattchew, you're still masoned with Foolishness correct? What else has been said since this post? Additionally, why did your campaign take so long to start if one of the bonuses is you being a mason who used the ability really early? You confirmed your role 8 hours before declaring your candidacy, and foolishness had also posted really early on BM's qualities.
We have not spoken since he had to "run for the evening" at 1/14/12 10:29. I don't know what to make of this.
I didn't know that I wanted to run for mayor until BC brought up the topic of masons coming forward. Originally I thought I might be the only mason which is clearly not true. When I started to realize it was not a unique role I figured I could use it in the most pro town way I could by getting an extremely likely townie into office (I am trying to stop using the word confirmed). The timing of the campaign was after some conversation with foolishness and when I had time to write a post
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to add to this, this post was near 11-12 hours ago, which if you also read the thread is written around the time I said I would be back in this game after my work shift.
For people FoSing me or telling people to unvote based on not reading my posts should be heavily scrutinized. As someone who pulled out of the elections, VE should be evenly more closely looked at.
He is now on my list of suspects.
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How does the fact that I pulled out of the elections make me more suspicious?
And did you completely ignore my plea for help regarding my mason situation? Or do you not care because now I'm suspicious?
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Gonna unvote BC, he's not been active and he hasn't produced his mason. Given the ambiguity of the situation I no longer feel comfortable voting BC. As I've already stated, I will be voting kita for mayor.
My lynch choice is still GGQ. I thought seriously about Palmar but I just could not imagine a situation with him as scum where he'd be stupid enough to post like he is.
I'd also briefly like to talk about mattchew. In no way is he confirmed. None. Instead, like everyone else, we only have his actions to judge him by. So far all he has done is use WIFOM arguments about why he's town, call himself confirmed, say he'd lynch three easy suspects, and post extremely aggressively. He hasn't done anything to help the town so I'd advise people not to vote for him.
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He masoned Sand Meapak...you're now suspicious for missing what several others have also missed. -.-
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On January 15 2012 02:52 Jitsu wrote:RE: Mattchew/Mayor, ect. ect. There are a few reasons, at least in my own mind. What's the motivation for pushing a player that isn't as a vaunted scumhunter as others? You said it yourself - they have the protection and the auto-lynch ability thing. In fact, you yourself have said before that you want a Veteran in office so that they can use their abilities to push a strong lynch candidate through: + Show Spoiler +On January 14 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:/confirmed Thoughts: (stealing format from EchelonTee) kitaman I don't think that this is a bad campaign post and I actually liked what he said except for how he isn't the best town player. He just seems a little to passive and I don't think that he is the best person to vote for. bumatlarge-(also made a post here) If this was a smaller game or if we all knew each other and were all vets I would say his list of to-do's for blues was scummy. But this is a huge game, with a lot of new players that might be getting roles they have never had before. I don't like the "mason me!" but I do think that this is helpful to town. Other than the list his campaign is cookie cutter. Not getting my vote for mayor. Wiggles You want to play the game first and worry about being mayor second. Thats fine and good but will not earn my vote. CCScum play is bad = vote me mayor. No thanks. Foolishness (for BM)I would like this a lot if there was evidence to support this. Would like to see some games from BM as town or where Foolishness caught on to him early, or both, and by or both I mean please link both examples. risk.nukeAnother campaign starting with I am not a very good town. BMSeems pro-town. Still want evidence from him or foolishness on previous games because that seems to be the base of their campaign BCHe is the best candidate in my opinion. Strong leadership, confidence and experience. sandroba"I get shot early alot and Im decent at scum hunting." It will be great to have you on the town team and if you do well scum hunting hopefully you get a medic. But this isn't the leader I want with 3 votes or a jailing ability. VEI think I still want a vet in office. Sorry, maybe I end up looking stupid but keeping someone who is proven to be better than others for town alive is a priority for me.MeapakThe second strongest candidate behind BC. Proven vet and already active. He is also honest, he says "i want the protection". I feel like scum would shy away from saying something like this. It makes sense. With the amount of experience that could possibly roll into an elected, protected position, you would want someone that is, equally, a good scumhunter and analytically strong player. But than you run for the position as well. And you even say yourself that you are not the strongest town player. I think that plays into the part on how you could be Foolishness's puppet. Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from you gaining the Mayor position over an experienced town player? I could. The three reasons you explained that you wanted Mayor position were pretty meak, in my opinion.
You are correct, having an experienced scum hunter townie is the best for office. However, every experienced candidate running has had cases made against them. I am a better candidate to vote for because I am less risk to flip scum.
Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from an experienced scum vet gaining the mayor position over a town player.
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On January 15 2012 02:54 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Not to mention, BC declared his mason status 7 hours before you did, why are you a better choice than him, if the main thing confirming you as town is how quickly you declared your role?
Because my posting, my logic, and the lack of cases against me (other than slippery slope highly unlikely situations) make me far more townie than BC is.
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Of course if Mattchew isn't elected, automatically that means that Mafia hold the position. Why didn't I think of that?
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On January 15 2012 03:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
He masoned Sand Meapak...you're now suspicious for missing what several others have also missed. -.-
He posted while I was writing on my itouch, I didn't see it. Anyway sorry for missing it earlier BC, I'll leave my vote on you since the whole "did he or didnt he" issue was the only problem I had.
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On January 15 2012 03:05 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 02:52 Jitsu wrote:RE: Mattchew/Mayor, ect. ect. There are a few reasons, at least in my own mind. What's the motivation for pushing a player that isn't as a vaunted scumhunter as others? You said it yourself - they have the protection and the auto-lynch ability thing. In fact, you yourself have said before that you want a Veteran in office so that they can use their abilities to push a strong lynch candidate through: + Show Spoiler +On January 14 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:/confirmed Thoughts: (stealing format from EchelonTee) kitaman I don't think that this is a bad campaign post and I actually liked what he said except for how he isn't the best town player. He just seems a little to passive and I don't think that he is the best person to vote for. bumatlarge-(also made a post here) If this was a smaller game or if we all knew each other and were all vets I would say his list of to-do's for blues was scummy. But this is a huge game, with a lot of new players that might be getting roles they have never had before. I don't like the "mason me!" but I do think that this is helpful to town. Other than the list his campaign is cookie cutter. Not getting my vote for mayor. Wiggles You want to play the game first and worry about being mayor second. Thats fine and good but will not earn my vote. CCScum play is bad = vote me mayor. No thanks. Foolishness (for BM)I would like this a lot if there was evidence to support this. Would like to see some games from BM as town or where Foolishness caught on to him early, or both, and by or both I mean please link both examples. risk.nukeAnother campaign starting with I am not a very good town. BMSeems pro-town. Still want evidence from him or foolishness on previous games because that seems to be the base of their campaign BCHe is the best candidate in my opinion. Strong leadership, confidence and experience. sandroba"I get shot early alot and Im decent at scum hunting." It will be great to have you on the town team and if you do well scum hunting hopefully you get a medic. But this isn't the leader I want with 3 votes or a jailing ability. VEI think I still want a vet in office. Sorry, maybe I end up looking stupid but keeping someone who is proven to be better than others for town alive is a priority for me.MeapakThe second strongest candidate behind BC. Proven vet and already active. He is also honest, he says "i want the protection". I feel like scum would shy away from saying something like this. It makes sense. With the amount of experience that could possibly roll into an elected, protected position, you would want someone that is, equally, a good scumhunter and analytically strong player. But than you run for the position as well. And you even say yourself that you are not the strongest town player. I think that plays into the part on how you could be Foolishness's puppet. Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from you gaining the Mayor position over an experienced town player? I could. The three reasons you explained that you wanted Mayor position were pretty meak, in my opinion. You are correct, having an experienced scum hunter townie is the best for office. However, every experienced candidate running has had cases made against them. I am a better candidate to vote for because I am less risk to flip scum. Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from an experienced scum vet gaining the mayor position over a town player.
You're less of a risk of flipping scum? Wouldn't you know that you were at no risk of flipping scum?
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On January 15 2012 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Gonna unvote BC, he's not been active and he hasn't produced his mason. Given the ambiguity of the situation I no longer feel comfortable voting BC. As I've already stated, I will be voting kita for mayor.
My lynch choice is still GGQ. I thought seriously about Palmar but I just could not imagine a situation with him as scum where he'd be stupid enough to post like he is.
I'd also briefly like to talk about mattchew. In no way is he confirmed. None. Instead, like everyone else, we only have his actions to judge him by. So far all he has done is use WIFOM arguments about why he's town, call himself confirmed, say he'd lynch three easy suspects, and post extremely aggressively. He hasn't done anything to help the town so I'd advise people not to vote for him.
How about posting my PMs, being transparent and using logic.
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On January 15 2012 03:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
How does the fact that I pulled out of the elections make me more suspicious?
And did you completely ignore my plea for help regarding my mason situation? Or do you not care because now I'm suspicious?
You as a former candidate go out of your way to encourage people to withdraw votes based on a lie. You can say you misread my post which potentially believable due to its length I find unlikely. If people were actively waiting for a piece of information then my large posts theoretically should be read carefully for said information. You are not like jay who has been on my nuts all game.
Had you chosen to encourage people to not vote for me as I claimed mason and had solid reasons behind it then I would see you as more townlike, as it would also be discrediting another player with the same claim. By opting to instead cherry pick one candidate over the other I see an inconsistancy. I say this as you made mention before in thread that you had reservations of electing me before as my alignment with my role was not provable (minus a lynching obviously), however this issue would be near identical to another mason and had you kept with that line of thinking as two masons were in the running I would have understood.
Singling me out however, via incorrect information, is why you are on my list.
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Good lord these things grow fast.
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On January 15 2012 03:07 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:05 Mattchew wrote:On January 15 2012 02:52 Jitsu wrote:RE: Mattchew/Mayor, ect. ect. There are a few reasons, at least in my own mind. What's the motivation for pushing a player that isn't as a vaunted scumhunter as others? You said it yourself - they have the protection and the auto-lynch ability thing. In fact, you yourself have said before that you want a Veteran in office so that they can use their abilities to push a strong lynch candidate through: + Show Spoiler +On January 14 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:/confirmed Thoughts: (stealing format from EchelonTee) kitaman I don't think that this is a bad campaign post and I actually liked what he said except for how he isn't the best town player. He just seems a little to passive and I don't think that he is the best person to vote for. bumatlarge-(also made a post here) If this was a smaller game or if we all knew each other and were all vets I would say his list of to-do's for blues was scummy. But this is a huge game, with a lot of new players that might be getting roles they have never had before. I don't like the "mason me!" but I do think that this is helpful to town. Other than the list his campaign is cookie cutter. Not getting my vote for mayor. Wiggles You want to play the game first and worry about being mayor second. Thats fine and good but will not earn my vote. CCScum play is bad = vote me mayor. No thanks. Foolishness (for BM)I would like this a lot if there was evidence to support this. Would like to see some games from BM as town or where Foolishness caught on to him early, or both, and by or both I mean please link both examples. risk.nukeAnother campaign starting with I am not a very good town. BMSeems pro-town. Still want evidence from him or foolishness on previous games because that seems to be the base of their campaign BCHe is the best candidate in my opinion. Strong leadership, confidence and experience. sandroba"I get shot early alot and Im decent at scum hunting." It will be great to have you on the town team and if you do well scum hunting hopefully you get a medic. But this isn't the leader I want with 3 votes or a jailing ability. VEI think I still want a vet in office. Sorry, maybe I end up looking stupid but keeping someone who is proven to be better than others for town alive is a priority for me.MeapakThe second strongest candidate behind BC. Proven vet and already active. He is also honest, he says "i want the protection". I feel like scum would shy away from saying something like this. It makes sense. With the amount of experience that could possibly roll into an elected, protected position, you would want someone that is, equally, a good scumhunter and analytically strong player. But than you run for the position as well. And you even say yourself that you are not the strongest town player. I think that plays into the part on how you could be Foolishness's puppet. Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from you gaining the Mayor position over an experienced town player? I could. The three reasons you explained that you wanted Mayor position were pretty meak, in my opinion. You are correct, having an experienced scum hunter townie is the best for office. However, every experienced candidate running has had cases made against them. I am a better candidate to vote for because I am less risk to flip scum. Consider this. Could you not see the benefits the mafia would glean from an experienced scum vet gaining the mayor position over a town player. You're less of a risk of flipping scum? Wouldn't you know that you were at no risk of flipping scum?
you missed the 3 words before your bolded text "to vote for". I am not speaking on me voting myself I know that I am town, I am proposing how someone else would see it, and it is true I am not confirmed, but I feel that I am logically town.
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