On January 15 2012 01:16 Mattchew wrote:On January 14 2012 17:41 GiygaS wrote:
Re: Mattchew being elected
Said already, you're not confirmed, and you're obviously a pretty bad spot if you think you're confirmed because you pmed a dude. If we could see that PM log, that story may change though (if Foolishness says a role you don't want revealed you can censor that if it's keeping you). Seriously, if you're campaign is about transparency, show us examples.
I showed PM log,
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=44#867, sorry this is really hard not to type in caps. I have been transparent, open and honest this entire game.
On January 14 2012 18:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
mkay wow a lot happened. I just wanna address the Mattchew candidacy.
This is a tough call. On one hand, it is possible that mattchew is town. But the only evidence we have of this is foolishness's word, and with foolishness's actions so far I don't put too much stalk in it. For one, I find it really odd that foolishness would out a blue role just like that, he should know better than that. Another reason is that mattchew seems way too eager to claim confirmed town. At this point in the game it's impossible to know. There's a very real possibility that scum would mason foolishness to try and find out if he's on to them. Ultimately though, trying to determine mattchew's alignment comes down to WIFOM which could get endless.
I would feel better about the whole mattchew thing if he took his position and tried to play protown with it however most of his posts since announcing his candidacy have been talking about how he is confirmed which he isn't.
Anyway at this point I still feel pretty good about BC despite protact's analysis. Other people who are making sense atm are kita and to a lesser extent WBG. I disagree with WBG that Palmar is scum, I thought I knew what Palmar was trying to do with his bad posting but if he doesn't come in and capitalize on it within the next 12 hours or so I'll be more inclined to think he's scum.
I would still love to see L post, I also want more out of GGQ who has done absolutely nothing so far, in terms of lynch I still feel very good about GGQ because I think he fits the lurking scum profile. He's been in the thread but his posts have not been protown and since I'm the only person who seriously called him out he's been able to slip into obscurity.
The only evidence you have is foolishness's word? I don't even know if foolishness is town. You should put as much into foolishness's word as anyone else who has posted like 5 times and 2 of them has been semi trolly campaign announcements.
Foolishness did not come up with outing me, I went to him with that idea. Please re-read the PMs between me and him, which I have posted unlike any other Mason claiming.
At this point in the game it's impossible to know. There's a very real possibility that scum would mason foolishness to try and find out if he's on to them.
Wanted to highlight that. I PM'd foolishness way too quick to have had any scum team plan especially one that describes whether or not he is "on to them" When I PM'd him it is unlikely there was even a majority of scum to vote me into mason and come up with this plan. The fact that mafia has to elect their mason should aid my innocence based off how quickly I PM'd.
Establishing my own innocence is pro-town and alongside scum-hunting are the most important things for all townies to do.
On January 14 2012 21:45 Jayjay54 wrote:Hi friends! Up and awake. Spending my time at a Starbucks in order to stay on track. Sorry if I cover older posts in my analysis, I was asleep.
Topics to discuss:
A) Mattchew
Let’s analyze his post.
On January 14 2012 10:46 Mattchew wrote:
I am running for Mayor.
I believe you should vote for me because I am
confirmed town. How? Let me explain.
I am a
mason who used my first "masoning" on Foolishness. In the past I have proven not great at this game both as mafia and as town. I also have not been a good listener to scum team advice when it is given to me. So the odds of a scum team picking me to be their mason is slim to none.
Not really an argument. A variance of the usual “I suck at scum”. Nothing special.Also, the fact that I pm'd arguably the best townie player in the game should prove in itself that I am town. I am not a vet or a well regarded player, why would any scum team even consider the thought of letting me either
a. (if foolishness is also scum) claim to PM one of their best players and spotlight him
or
b. (if foolishness is town) let me PM one of the best townies and maybe get myself caught.
This is logic.
This make sense. Why would mafia PM the best town player straight away? After he already started a campaign for BM. There is no real perspective for scum here. And the idea that both are scum is strange, too. The BM campaign wouldn’t make sense. There’s no chance that all 3 are scum.Why should we vote you if you are bad?A. I am confirmed town. This is by far the best reason to elect me.
Not really confirmed. But by logic he’s likely town.B. I would become a roleblock immune, mason, with either 3 votes (mayor) or a jailing ability.
Masons can’t get roleblock! They have a day action. So B is not really an issue. The townish vibes make the difference here. C. The fact that I am a mason allows me to solicit advice on my actions behind closed doors from veteran players. While I obviously will be extremely skeptical in everything they tell me, it is better than a Mayor acting purely on his own. I will not be manipulated because I will present the options and ask their opinions on them. I will not be asking broad questions, yet specific questions to leave little to no room for scum influence.
Makes sense to me. That is why the BC claim timing was so odd to me. He would have had a great chance to become mayor. What is your stance on Mayoral Issues.I will be active. I can read and respond while at work. Monday - Friday I should be on and reading from
13:30 GMT (+00:00) to
04:00 GMT (+00:00). Saturday and sunday I will be reading and responding while watching football but as the day progresses I will probably be getting more and more drunk, around
03:00 GMT (+00:00).
The standard obligatory "I suck at scum"
I currently am looking at 3 candidates for the day 1 lynch and will be open to discussion on all 3.
Those 3 are (in no particular order)
Ciryandor, Mapco, Chaosquo is also good.
The mayor downside of his post 
. I agree with WBG here, these candidates suck. Would like to see Echelot or Palmar here. Mapco is a new player, you can clearly see it. So why lynch him.I am now open for questions for the next half hour or so before company arrives at my house and I will be offline until
16:00 GMT (+00:00) That being said, before he was roleclaiming, he already posted some really townish posts to back him up like this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#605http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=31#612http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=35#682He is clearly applying logic to help town. Passionately fighting for the right townplay. Thinking ahead and providing opinions and information. I like this. A lot.
In the bigger picture, his playstyle alongside masoning foolishness doesn’t make sense as a scum play. The PM log seems consistent to other stuff they’ve been saying. E.g. foolishness attitude towards masons. It’s either well faked or real.
Foolishness would never suggest his mafia buddy BM if he were scum only to proceed and claim another scum buddy. That’s way too risky.
Therefore, I am convinced. And my townread clearly outweigh the disagreement in the lynch choices. So here it is:
##vote Mattchew + Show Spoiler +Thank you for using your brain.
On January 15 2012 00:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Other people we should't elect
Mattchew seems to have his campaign revolve heavily around his role, and is keen on WIFOM. He also seems a little bit too easily influenced, and I don't want to risk scum masons taking the mayors votes. I wouldn't be surprised if he was only running because Foolishness told him to.
Once again, resisting the urge of capslock and name calling. please, please, please, re-read my filter. I am the one who suggests to foolishness that I run, I am the one who wants to out myself as a mason, I am the one who posted me and foolishness's PM's (without even asking him) and I am the one who is running for mayor right now (foolishness has made 1 post on me).
One last note on my alignment.
I want you to ask yourself, What are the real odds of about 13 hours after roles go out that a scum team elects me as mason over a vet, sends me at the best town player who already made a troll campaign, and comes up with a relatively elaborate plan to get me (A non-vet) into office.
Is it possible, yes. Is it 99% unlikely, yes.______________________________________________________________________________________________________
Onto other topics than my innocence and people's lack of reading comprehension.
I am still campaigning on a Lynching of either Ciryandor, Mapco, or Chaosquo. They have all disappeared, posted like scummy shit and have not been pro-town at all.
Thinking palmar is scum right now is like having a really large weight pulling at the end of your fishing line. It could be that trophy catch you've been waiting for your whole life, or it most likely is a boot. That is not to say he should be let off the hook though, Palmar you have posted very little to nothing at all. We all know you can be really good at town, if you truly are town, please start posting better.
There are only 3 campaigns running that are not your standard cookie cutter mayoral campaigns.
Those 3 are
Bill Murray
BloodyCobbler
Myself
As L said we need to get voting so that this wont be hijacked.
EPT
