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On January 14 2012 16:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 16:38 bumatlarge wrote:On January 14 2012 16:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 14 2012 16:30 bumatlarge wrote:On January 14 2012 16:19 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 13 2012 15:57 bumatlarge wrote:
Mason Favorite role, I kind of laugh when I see mafia masons, as they are not good at all. It's basically more work for mafia to convince people in the thread and then in PMs. Still be wary. There is a lot of mindgames in PMs, but nothing is as cool as being sure the other person is town. It's basically like a mini-game of mafia. Give each other analysis, and plan out what you will do with the other person. Better yet, mason me and we will a force to be reckoned with. On January 14 2012 04:52 bumatlarge wrote:I don't think people are understanding where BC is coming from, a town mason is more likely to just immediately get rights, but if you look at scum mason; Mason
At the beginning of every cycle, you may send a PM to me detailing who you would like to Mason with during that cycle. You may PM with that person for the full cycle. You may not choose a person you have already Masoned with for the remainder of the game. The Mafia team will have a set number of people to choose as Masons. Mafia with other roles (Roleblocker, Framer, Godfather) can double up on Mason roles. They have to pick them. Do you think mafia right off the bat is going to grab the mason role and start yapping away? I think if BC is mafia, he is doing us a favor. I think masons should claim in thread, the faster the better. It forces mafia into an awkward position, or else they can't claim at all. Why and how did your opinion completely change? Well just because I think mafia masons are bad, doesnt mean they cant be useful. I think BC's plan does a good job of stopping their use, or severely attaching scum to one another. Nice try Monsieur cheese  I'm pretty good in on-on-one situations, so I don't view mafia masons as good. But, oh yes, that is my "generic blue advice" no one needs to hear my genericly awesome mason reading powers. they'll just figure out everything I don't say on their own! Silly me. It also completely shuts down town masons, which you thought were excellent. Why are you willing to give up such an awesome protown role, where two townies could be 'a force to be reckoned with', just to cancel the abilities of the scum masons, which are 'not good at all'. Town masons claiming doesnt shut down town masons. They can get into contact with any individual they want? They are unrole-blockable, and they eventually have to release the information/analysis they find. I never say that anywhere. Did BC say that? BC was talking about ignoring PM's completely, and he's been wishy washy on whether he's keen on all the masons claiming.
Apparently I don't know how to read. Claiming doesn't turn off their abilities. BC what you smoking son?
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On January 14 2012 16:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 16:38 bumatlarge wrote:On January 14 2012 16:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 14 2012 16:30 bumatlarge wrote:On January 14 2012 16:19 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 13 2012 15:57 bumatlarge wrote:
Mason Favorite role, I kind of laugh when I see mafia masons, as they are not good at all. It's basically more work for mafia to convince people in the thread and then in PMs. Still be wary. There is a lot of mindgames in PMs, but nothing is as cool as being sure the other person is town. It's basically like a mini-game of mafia. Give each other analysis, and plan out what you will do with the other person. Better yet, mason me and we will a force to be reckoned with. On January 14 2012 04:52 bumatlarge wrote:I don't think people are understanding where BC is coming from, a town mason is more likely to just immediately get rights, but if you look at scum mason; Mason
At the beginning of every cycle, you may send a PM to me detailing who you would like to Mason with during that cycle. You may PM with that person for the full cycle. You may not choose a person you have already Masoned with for the remainder of the game. The Mafia team will have a set number of people to choose as Masons. Mafia with other roles (Roleblocker, Framer, Godfather) can double up on Mason roles. They have to pick them. Do you think mafia right off the bat is going to grab the mason role and start yapping away? I think if BC is mafia, he is doing us a favor. I think masons should claim in thread, the faster the better. It forces mafia into an awkward position, or else they can't claim at all. Why and how did your opinion completely change? Well just because I think mafia masons are bad, doesnt mean they cant be useful. I think BC's plan does a good job of stopping their use, or severely attaching scum to one another. Nice try Monsieur cheese I'm pretty good in on-on-one situations, so I don't view mafia masons as good. But, oh yes, that is my "generic blue advice" no one needs to hear my genericly awesome mason reading powers. they'll just figure out everything I don't say on their own! Silly me. It also completely shuts down town masons, which you thought were excellent. Why are you willing to give up such an awesome protown role, where two townies could be 'a force to be reckoned with', just to cancel the abilities of the scum masons, which are 'not good at all'. Town masons claiming doesnt shut down town masons. They can get into contact with any individual they want? They are unrole-blockable, and they eventually have to release the information/analysis they find. I never say that anywhere. Did BC say that? BC was talking about ignoring PM's completely, and he's been wishy washy on whether he's keen on all the masons claiming.
On January 14 2012 05:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC are you for or against a mass-mason claim? This is now the second time I've asked you. Please respond. I repeat, please respond to my query regarding the mass-mason claim. I am fine with either it, or having town just say "we ignore all pms that arent host pms" Making every mason accountable / making them useless to prevent manipulation seems the best play at the moment. making them all claim however is the optimal play, it may out the group of us, but it also prevents mafia from using their ability without being in the spotlight.
How about you read what I say and properly reflect it. I prefer ignoring pms and deciding that masons be ignored, but in the case no one agrees with that then mass claim so town knows who to heavily watch in pms. Everyone being on the same playing field is far more advantaegous than a minority playing with a different hand.
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On January 14 2012 16:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 16:26 sandroba wrote:
Alright people I want to get elected and no one is fucking voting for me. What do you want me to do so you would fucking vote? Tell me and I'll do it. I have plenty of time right now and I can post random useless shit if that's what get's you voting. Turn everything you do into about 3 paragraphs, even if it could have been a line.
I was walking down the street one day and I suddenly a foul scent hit my nose. I was like what the shit, where the fuck is this coming from? Did I just step on human fesses or what? After checking my feet and realizing it was clean I looked around and spotted a horrid looking creature that dropped 2 terrible posts in the begging of a game then was never heard of again. It was ciryandor. Protact had warned me about his unpleasant presence. Right then I decided I would rid the world of such disturbing annoyance and thus I hit him repeatedly over the head with my grandma's shoes. He finally succumbed, bored into oblivion. I felt victorious after checking my grandma's shoes and realizing a crimson taint had soaked them. Life was good. Being mayor made me proud. The whole idea of being elected to kill some random dude and being able to single handedly execute it was exciting. I stretched out my arm and an eagle landed on it. Fuck yes I'm a boss.
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On January 14 2012 16:44 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 16:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 14 2012 16:38 bumatlarge wrote:On January 14 2012 16:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 14 2012 16:30 bumatlarge wrote:On January 14 2012 16:19 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 13 2012 15:57 bumatlarge wrote:
Mason Favorite role, I kind of laugh when I see mafia masons, as they are not good at all. It's basically more work for mafia to convince people in the thread and then in PMs. Still be wary. There is a lot of mindgames in PMs, but nothing is as cool as being sure the other person is town. It's basically like a mini-game of mafia. Give each other analysis, and plan out what you will do with the other person. Better yet, mason me and we will a force to be reckoned with. On January 14 2012 04:52 bumatlarge wrote:I don't think people are understanding where BC is coming from, a town mason is more likely to just immediately get rights, but if you look at scum mason; Mason
At the beginning of every cycle, you may send a PM to me detailing who you would like to Mason with during that cycle. You may PM with that person for the full cycle. You may not choose a person you have already Masoned with for the remainder of the game. The Mafia team will have a set number of people to choose as Masons. Mafia with other roles (Roleblocker, Framer, Godfather) can double up on Mason roles. They have to pick them. Do you think mafia right off the bat is going to grab the mason role and start yapping away? I think if BC is mafia, he is doing us a favor. I think masons should claim in thread, the faster the better. It forces mafia into an awkward position, or else they can't claim at all. Why and how did your opinion completely change? Well just because I think mafia masons are bad, doesnt mean they cant be useful. I think BC's plan does a good job of stopping their use, or severely attaching scum to one another. Nice try Monsieur cheese I'm pretty good in on-on-one situations, so I don't view mafia masons as good. But, oh yes, that is my "generic blue advice" no one needs to hear my genericly awesome mason reading powers. they'll just figure out everything I don't say on their own! Silly me. It also completely shuts down town masons, which you thought were excellent. Why are you willing to give up such an awesome protown role, where two townies could be 'a force to be reckoned with', just to cancel the abilities of the scum masons, which are 'not good at all'. Town masons claiming doesnt shut down town masons. They can get into contact with any individual they want? They are unrole-blockable, and they eventually have to release the information/analysis they find. I never say that anywhere. Did BC say that? BC was talking about ignoring PM's completely, and he's been wishy washy on whether he's keen on all the masons claiming. Apparently I don't know how to read. Claiming doesn't turn off their abilities. BC what you smoking son?
It gives the mafia 2 choices. Use your mason(s) and risk being caught (as all masons would be known) or never use your power. It makes the chances of mafia being caught far higher as everyone knows which players to heavily analyze.
I prefer no one answer pms or send them unless they are to / from mods. This itself makes the role useless. If we decide "we arent going to use / participate in its use.
Its fairly straight forward.
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On January 14 2012 16:46 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 16:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 14 2012 16:26 sandroba wrote:
Alright people I want to get elected and no one is fucking voting for me. What do you want me to do so you would fucking vote? Tell me and I'll do it. I have plenty of time right now and I can post random useless shit if that's what get's you voting. Turn everything you do into about 3 paragraphs, even if it could have been a line. I was walking down the street one day and I suddenly a foul scent hit my nose. I was like what the shit, where the fuck is this coming from? Did I just step on human fesses or what? After checking my feet and realizing it was clean I looked around and spotted a horrid looking creature that dropped 2 terrible posts in the begging of a game then was never heard of again. It was ciryandor. Protact had warned me about his unpleasant presence. Right then I decided I would rid the world of such disturbing annoyance and thus I hit him repeatedly over the head with my grandma's shoes. He finally succumbed, bored into oblivion. I felt victorious after checking my grandma's shoes and realizing a crimson taint had soaked them. Life was good. Being mayor made me proud. The whole idea of being elected to kill some random dude and being able to single handedly execute it was exciting. I stretched out my arm and an eagle landed on it. Fuck yes I'm a boss.
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Mattchew the important part of elected officials is the immunity. You want to get a real power player in that spot. For reference, see the game where the mafia team used all of their KP (I think they had three) just to kill Ace because he was such a force in that game. That's the kind of player you want to have immunity. Without that immunity, the best protection is some sort of 50/50 with the town medics, and you never know how reliable they are.
Also, y'know, the day 1 lynch is often a big deal.
Anyway, I actually like your last couple of posts and you've earned my vote.
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On January 14 2012 17:01 Scamp wrote:
Mattchew the important part of elected officials is the immunity. You want to get a real power player in that spot. For reference, see the game where the mafia team used all of their KP (I think they had three) just to kill Ace because he was such a force in that game. That's the kind of player you want to have immunity. Without that immunity, the best protection is some sort of 50/50 with the town medics, and you never know how reliable they are.
Also, y'know, the day 1 lynch is often a big deal.
Anyway, I actually like your last couple of posts and you've earned my vote.
I don't dislike his last few posts either, but they seem to be fairly setup heavy, and could have easily been posted by someone on either side imo. Could you be a bit more specific? Which parts of which posts did you like?
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people who need to die:
Palmar
opz
cyber cheese
people who need to post more, and if are consistent with their current state, should die eventually:
sheth
people who are neutralish but if continue to say stupid things should die:
bumatlarge
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On January 14 2012 17:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
people who need to die:
Palmar
opz
cyber cheese
people who need to post more, and if are consistent with their current state, should die eventually:
sheth
people who are neutralish but if continue to say stupid things should die:
bumatlarge
Palmar you covered. Why opz/me/sheth/bum?
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So much shit going on, it's hard to keep track of it all (any tips for brain overload? ).
Anyway, on to current subject matter first:
Re: Palmar
All I can say is one more day. If what people are saying about him is true, he's done this before first day and "turned on" so to speak in the second day. Of course, he has also just stayed like this. Basically, there's nothing to particularly LOSE if we don't lynch him today, as we won't magically forget he's been a lazy bastard for the entire game so far when the mayor is elected now will we?
Re: Mattchew being elected
Said already, you're not confirmed, and you're obviously a pretty bad spot if you think you're confirmed because you pmed a dude. If we could see that PM log, that story may change though (if Foolishness says a role you don't want revealed you can censor that if it's keeping you). Seriously, if you're campaign is about transparency, show us examples.
Re: BC Accusations
BCs defense is pretty good on it IMO, and it does seem like he's stretching the facts a bit, especially when BC actually quoted what he said. Of course, this does give me some suspicions as I really don't know who to trust out of the two at the moment as they both have good arguments against one another. That said, proc seems a bit fuzzy for me, as he's been really inactive and just suddenly shows up and disappears again, just to cause chaos.
RE: Masons/PMs
Shut up. This whole discussion is fucking retarded, seriously. I know I was in it, but we're over this, let's pick who the fuck we should lynch, k?
Now on to some stuff I was looking at:
- Sandroba: Why is everybody trusting him so blindly while he's offering so little to the table right now? He's pushed Ciryandor, made a generic mayor post, and pushed Mason mass claim HARD (I know I agreed, but now that I think about it it doesn't really add as much transparency as I thought. Claim =/= pm logs). That's all I have to say about him :/
- Wherebugsgo:
On January 13 2012 19:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
wtf all you tryhards already have massive mayoral candidacies going?
-_-
I'll support sandro/Foolish/BC for mayor if I feel any of them are town. That'll take some reading. Which I don't feel like doing right now. Right now, I feel like playing Akali.
The rest of you: if you are voting anyone other than those three, please explain why.
Already mentioned this post but will again cause no one payed attention to it. Will gladly support no-support votes for sandroba/Foolishness/BC, but won't accept any others and says he wants support if it's another choice.
- Has also pushed an easy case on Palmar. If we do lynch Palmar and he turns out to be scum, I'm worried about WBG's alignment FOR SURE.
Overall read is pretty null, but the several instances of getting people back on track and the fact he is pure tunneling Palmar right now leads me to believe he's more town than mafia. I actually thought he was scummier until I read his filter again
Going to bed now, expecting to be at page 100 by then XP
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On January 14 2012 17:38 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 17:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
people who need to die:
Palmar
opz
cyber cheese
people who need to post more, and if are consistent with their current state, should die eventually:
sheth
people who are neutralish but if continue to say stupid things should die:
bumatlarge Palmar you covered. Why opz/me/sheth/bum?
He has covered you, look through his filter.
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Sorry nvm, everyone but CC.
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On January 14 2012 17:42 GiygaS wrote:
Sorry nvm, everyone but CC.
Alright well, Opz was there, but I don't see Sheth or Bum either.
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I'm awake
time to catch up on 15 pages :/
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Cwave is replacing Refallen.
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On January 14 2012 17:38 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 17:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
people who need to die:
Palmar
opz
cyber cheese
people who need to post more, and if are consistent with their current state, should die eventually:
sheth
people who are neutralish but if continue to say stupid things should die:
bumatlarge Palmar you covered. Why opz/me/sheth/bum?
nvm upon rereading you're not necessarily scum.
just kinda slow
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On January 14 2012 02:55 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 02:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 13 2012 18:25 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 13 2012 16:43 bumatlarge wrote:On January 13 2012 16:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 13 2012 14:36 Foolishness wrote:+ Show Spoiler [campaign post] +This is my official campaign post!It is all very simple! No, I am not running for office. My campaign is based around voting for the one and only Bill Murray! Let's face it, there are many people (L) who are going to run on the basis of lynching Bill Murray. Do we want to make such a rash decision this early in the game? Time has shown that such policy lynches are just a distraction from our true purpose of scum hunting. In order to save Bill Murray from such an easy day 1 lynch, I propose we save him by putting him in office. Now before you go on making propositions that I have just smoked a pound of weed, consider the situation our beloved Bill Murray is in. As his first game back, we know for sure he's going to be top notch. This is his chance to prove to the old members that he's changed and proved to the new members that he's a respectable player. Thus we can expect him to bust out his A+ game. He knows that if he nails a few mafia this game he'll have turned from village idiot into village hottie. Who would you rather have in office? Someone like Bill Murray who is probably spending 14 hours a day figuring out who is mafia or someone like kitaman27 or bumatlarge who will just put forth the same normal effort we'd expect from an elected official? Bill Murray is the real deal, and we know he'll be the real deal. Who knows how much effort Cyber_Cheese really wants to put in this game. Definitely not as much as Bill Murray will! A vote for Bill Murray is a vote for the town! Now what if our esteemed actor turns out to be mafia? Don't worry, as a proven scumhunter, I will dedicate enormous amounts of my time to making sure Bill Murray is indeed town. And he has a lot of games under his belt for comparison. Of course I will also be doing my usual scumhunting, so do not fret. But we can be sure that Bill Murray will be posting frequently (hopefully not too much) and will be active in his duties, especially given what I've said above. Is kitaman only going to make 2 posts a day if he gets elected in? Maybe. Will Bill Murray? No of course not. And we all know that the more someone posts the more likely their true colors show. If Bill Murray turns out to be mafia it shouldn't be long before it becomes obvious. If he's not, we got an easily confirmed innocent in office who at the very least will make the entire mafia team facepalm. And a mafia team with their palms on their faces will be unable to type. You can make the right choice! Vote Bill Murray!+ Show Spoiler + Bill Murray hasn't even posted yet. Why are you so sure you want him elected? On January 13 2012 15:08 Adam4167 wrote:
Ill be waiting for Bill Murray to show up to the thread before I even consider him or his candidacy.
So far I'm leaning towards voting for Cheese, as he is one of the few people in this game I have experience with. I am more likely to recognize his scum play if he is scum and, lets face it, he has a flaming pony as his campaign picture.
So Cheese, since you opened the game with a vote on Wiggles, and he is now also running for mayor, will you be hanging him upon your election? No, that was a joke based on his always scum reputation. I will lynch the scummiest candidate. On January 13 2012 15:09 bumatlarge wrote:On January 13 2012 15:08 Adam4167 wrote:
Ill be waiting for Bill Murray to show up to the thread before I even consider him or his candidacy.
So far I'm leaning towards voting for Cheese, as he is one of the few people in this game I have experience with. I am more likely to recognize his scum play if he is scum and, lets face it, he has a flaming pony as his campaign picture.
So Cheese, since you opened the game with a vote on Wiggles, and he is now also running for mayor, will you be hanging him upon your election? I have successfully ruled this person out as mafia. I am good at this game. Explain. On January 13 2012 14:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
A couple notes about the set-up:
Elected roles gain detection immunity. This makes it worse for us if mafia get into one of these roles, as we have no way to DT check them. It also means that the GF probably won't run for office, or if he does, he'll drop out early. Between the mayor and the sheriff, the sheriff is the one who actually has power past day 1. So, one thing we can do, is vote in a player that we see as both a strong townie, and as being town in this game, into the mayor role solely for the purposes of protection. This applies to the sheriff too, but there's more responsibility on them as the game goes on due to the jailkeeper mechanic.
Also something to note, is that we can't trust vig claims, due to the possibility of mafia jack's, who would be able to shoot and not affect what KP would show up that night coming from the mafia.
We should also maybe talk about when to use our double lynches, but I don't think it's a huge deal until when the time comes that we might actually want to use them. We just need to be careful not to waste them.
Vote me into office, please. I disagree, the mayor still has a fair amount of power as the game gets closer to LYLO. On January 13 2012 15:29 GGQ wrote:On January 13 2012 13:49 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Oh fail, didn't realise there was elections...
##Unvote
I'm going to run for mayor.
Lynch all lurkers/liars is standard pre-game chat, and it's mostly useless. Let's skip that.
It's all too situational, and we rarely follow through with it. This post is also bad. Rather than calling my posts bad, try adding something to the discussion. Are you running for mayor? If so, details. If not, what do you think of the candidates? Also, bum is directing blues already? planning ahead that much seems scummy... One more thing, if anyone was even considering it, don't run for mayor based on being a blue. It gives the scum too much information on day 1, and it could be scum lying. He's posting with a positive attitude and he didnt squeem at all at the prospect of lynching wiggles. Plus he took your lameness seriously :D I'm not planning ahead THAT much, and running for mayor as blue is perfectly reasonable reasoning. Unless a vanilla townie is very good, there is little reason for him to run over a townie. I find cheese's posting rather scummy so far. He seems rather content with stepping on peoples posts this game with not much regard to his own. I will review his case. I'm reading through and commenting on peoples play, yes. It was to draw out some reasons behind actions and thoughts that I'm trying to understand the motivation behind. On January 13 2012 17:10 Bill Murray wrote:
It is not Foolishness's game
I don't see how it is a moot point whatsoever
I am not going to create a huge wall post, and sound like a high school football coach
cyber_cheese is confirmed scum in my eyes. If I'm elected mayor, I'm lynching him
He's acting like I haven't posted at all, when my post is right above his. To further his agenda, he's attacking bumatlarge for coaching power roles, when in his own post, he goes on to tell power roles to not run for mayor based on being power roles. Hypocrisy, and scum skimming, are just the icing on the cake, however. I had a scum read on him the minute he tried to get a lynch pushed through on Mr Wiggles, and then took his vote back when he realized it was for mayor. He was trying to get a mislynch pushed through for his scum team in my eyes. If he's town, oh well, he didn't even read any of my posts DIRECTLY ABOVE HIS, and he has not only proven he isn't reading, but already contradicted himself. At the time I was making that post, you hadn't posted. I made a joke about lynching Wiggles. Bum looked like he was ready to focus the elections around power roles. I was discouraging that situation. On January 13 2012 17:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 13 2012 17:10 Bill Murray wrote:
It is not Foolishness's game
I don't see how it is a moot point whatsoever
I am not going to create a huge wall post, and sound like a high school football coach
cyber_cheese is confirmed scum in my eyes. If I'm elected mayor, I'm lynching him
He's acting like I haven't posted at all, when my post is right above his. To further his agenda, he's attacking bumatlarge for coaching power roles, when in his own post, he goes on to tell power roles to not run for mayor based on being power roles. Hypocrisy, and scum skimming, are just the icing on the cake, however. I had a scum read on him the minute he tried to get a lynch pushed through on Mr Wiggles, and then took his vote back when he realized it was for mayor. He was trying to get a mislynch pushed through for his scum team in my eyes. If he's town, oh well, he didn't even read any of my posts DIRECTLY ABOVE HIS, and he has not only proven he isn't reading, but already contradicted himself. eh? not that I want to start the first huge argument of the thread but. Do you agree that it is possible for someone to change their style? I am willing to give cheese about 20ish-30ish more minutes to respond to you before I make up my mind on him as well, I know my giant post was written as you posted 3 times. If he posts within the next bit of time badly or doesn't I will have him on a shit list. Making up your mind on someone not even a quarter of the way into the first day? Seems legit. On January 13 2012 18:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:I was debating what to do with my 3k but I couldn’t think up of anything fast enough so this is it Anyway, I am running for mayor as well. At the moment, I do not most of the mayor candidates. I don’t like Cyber_Cheese because his reasoning for him being mayor is weak in my opinion. Saying that you should be elected because your scum play is bad isn’t very inspiring. His other argument is that he’ll be active (nice trait for a mayor to have but everybody should be active), also he says he’ll lynch the scummiest mayor candidate which I don’t like because one of the mayor candidates may not be the best choice. Yes, being bad at scumplay isn't inspiring. I haven't shown off my town prowess on this forum yet, so I don't have any epic winning streaks to brag about. Suffice it to say votes on me aren't misplaced. Everyone *should* be active in theory, but things can come up, and I guarentee that won't happen with me Scum will run for mayor, and more than likely they will be scummier than most of town. If we inspect the candidates closely, we can easily discern at least one. wtf is this post? Your post is nothing if not confrontational without saying anything important. You attack someone earlier for not adding things to the discussion of the thread however you fail to do so here. You want to be elected yet your primary posting style at the moment is to make a massive quote post with 1 line explaining your take on a specific quote. In some cases, 1 word. This is not the behaviour indicative of someone the town would want to lead them. To quote you "I haven't shown off my town prowess on this forum yet, so I don't have any epic winning streaks to brag about. Suffice it to say votes on me aren't misplaced" As the way you are playing now all votes on your are misplaced. You are not posting in a manner that is inherently decent. You are not posting frequently with decent contented posts to get a solid read on you. You are not actively attempting to assert a mark on the role that puts you in a spotlight for good reasons. You are in a spotlight because you are insanely shifty in the eyes of many players. EVERYONE should not be voting cybercheese unless he turns his game around now. Even if he is townie and he is insanely good he should know that his posts at the moment are terrible and are not ones that indicate the qualities someone who would be a good leader. As for my take on the other candidates. At the moment I am willing to get behind either meapak, BM, or bumatlarge. of the current people running, each of them has shown they can be active, make intelligent posts, and have clear ones that help get a general read on them. Everyone should be giving their take on who of the current candidates would make the best mayor. This way we can lower the total people "running" by taking the top 3 or 4 choices and voting as opposed to having 7-8 people running. Yes it's less helpful than it could be. That does not mean there was no content. Bill Murray needs to explain his read, and why it convinced him so much for starters. BC, who would you vote for right now and why? Moreover, who would you lynch, and why? Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 02:02 rgTheSchworz wrote:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Show nested quote + On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote: /confirm LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot. I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey I agree with this guy, so I'm voting him. I am very much a fan of killing Ciryandor. You give no reason, cite a troll post, yet you are active.I have delved into town-Palmar and yes, town-Palmar usually runs for mayor or takes interest in mayoral elections.More than one-liner posts would be helpful. FoS Palmar. D3, why lynch BM? He first got involved in elections by Foolishness and then posted to say why CC is hypocritical, which is semi-relevant.Maybe he is trying to defend bumat. On the other hand sandro has been like,, I will be running for mayor''. BUT and I can tell you that keeping me alive will improve town's chances by a lot
Blueclaim. Rgtheschworz signing out Could you explain the weird formatting?
Casually bumping this.
It not being in the default formatting suggests to me that it was made in a forum other than TL.
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mkay wow a lot happened. I just wanna address the Mattchew candidacy.
This is a tough call. On one hand, it is possible that mattchew is town. But the only evidence we have of this is foolishness's word, and with foolishness's actions so far I don't put too much stalk in it. For one, I find it really odd that foolishness would out a blue role just like that, he should know better than that. Another reason is that mattchew seems way too eager to claim confirmed town. At this point in the game it's impossible to know. There's a very real possibility that scum would mason foolishness to try and find out if he's on to them. Ultimately though, trying to determine mattchew's alignment comes down to WIFOM which could get endless.
I would feel better about the whole mattchew thing if he took his position and tried to play protown with it however most of his posts since announcing his candidacy have been talking about how he is confirmed which he isn't.
Anyway at this point I still feel pretty good about BC despite protact's analysis. Other people who are making sense atm are kita and to a lesser extent WBG. I disagree with WBG that Palmar is scum, I thought I knew what Palmar was trying to do with his bad posting but if he doesn't come in and capitalize on it within the next 12 hours or so I'll be more inclined to think he's scum.
I would still love to see L post, I also want more out of GGQ who has done absolutely nothing so far, in terms of lynch I still feel very good about GGQ because I think he fits the lurking scum profile. He's been in the thread but his posts have not been protown and since I'm the only person who seriously called him out he's been able to slip into obscurity.
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Reading the thread now.
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On January 14 2012 04:26 supersoft wrote:
hey, toadesstern, can you link me a game where you were town? I know your scummeta. It's talking a lot with no content. You do that right now.
I don't see how he was doing that
Do you not like explanations?
What is your read on Cyber_Cheese? Nisani? Sandroba?
On January 14 2012 04:26 sandroba wrote:
Okay let me address somethings I liked in this thread:
1) Proactinum post is the best one so far. Fuck yes I like it. Cyriandor is my top candidate for lynch if I get elected.
2) Jackal's idea is very good. If I'm elected I'll lynch 1 or 0 bg.
3) I'm seriously considering supporting a mason mass claim day1. Mafia will have to claim it early if they ever want to use it and it gives us good basis for discussion. These big games fall rapidly out of control if we don't keep focus and this will give us something to go by.
I don't like this post by Sandroba, he says he is going to lynch Ciryandor if he's elected, and even if he won't get that opportunity, I'm not seeing any reasoning out of him. Does he have any? nope. He then pushes for a mason mass claim, which is tremendously anti-town
if I'm elected, right now, I would lynch Sandroba. if Sandroba is mafia, Ciryandor is town.
On January 14 2012 04:33 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 04:26 supersoft wrote:
hey, toadesstern, can you link me a game where you were town? I know your scummeta. It's talking a lot with no content. You do that right now. here you go: my first ever gamehttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264798 my 2nd gamemy third game was that 80 player game. I did the same to some degree but stopped posting after d2 or something like that because it was too much of a mess for me at that point in time 4th game was my first ever mafia (the one with annul) 5th game was resistance this is the 6th game. So nothing more I can provide
I like this self meta from Todesstern. A for effort. Pretty sure he's town.
On January 14 2012 04:36 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 04:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
If i am a red mason it means whoever claims i masoned will be town, period. I would never have to mason a scumbuddy as well, im already talking to them.
WIFOM Otherwise, Do you think that all masons should claim like you have? Assuming atleast 1 mason would be mafia it could lead to a high percentage day 1 lynch
I agree he could be lying here, but is it worth losing BC on a coinflip? It might be WIFOM to a certain degree, but tell me, would it be optimal play for 2 mafia to come forward with such a hairballed scheme on day 1? Mafia will sit back and play like supersoft or sandroba are, mattchew, not claiming on d1 like BC has. This looks like BC's town game to me, honestly, and I have meta.
however, I would like BC to answer a question I was wondering myself, since someone else brought this up, and we need to get this mason shit out of the way
@BC: when you say: "my role unlike anyone elses is confirmable.", how can we know you aren't a mafia mason, or fakeclaiming? your buddy could fakeclaim you masoned him, if you out it at all, when you really don't need to out who you masoned. How do you plan on getting confirmed? To me, mason just appears to be a neighbor this game, since it only lasts a cycle. The fact that there is a mafia mason just fucks everything in terms of confirming you. While statistically, you're 50% town at this point, aren't we all only like 20% to be mafia? Have you really created better odds for yourself by claiming mason? You really haven't, come to think of it. By not claiming, I am more likely town than you from the town's perspective, because at best you're 25% likely mafia (1/4), and at worse 50% (1/2)
If you all listen to me, however, and elect me mayor, the lynch will be 100%
Let's Lynch Sandroba guys
On January 14 2012 04:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 04:36 Mattchew wrote:On January 14 2012 04:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
If i am a red mason it means whoever claims i masoned will be town, period. I would never have to mason a scumbuddy as well, im already talking to them.
WIFOM Otherwise, Do you think that all masons should claim like you have? Assuming atleast 1 mason would be mafia it could lead to a high percentage day 1 lynch how is that wifom? Why would I as red ever out myself and another mafia in the same day? Especially when if i had used my mason somewhere else i would be counterclaimed and die? It would mean i would have to hold onto my use and have a scumbuddy claim and thus waste my own power to corrupt a townie? It is pure logic, not wifom. As for masons claiming? Things like this are what my claim were supposed to generate. Forcing people to only post in the thread for instance is a huge deal as it removes a scum form of play, etc...
I haven't seen you out who you masoned
This is very logical, though, and answers a lot of the questions I had for you
On January 14 2012 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC, are you for or against a mass-mason claim? I like the idea behind the discussion this is generating, but I'd like your opinion as much as you'd like everyone else's opinion.
Personally, I'm torn on the mass-mason claim. It makes sense in that Mafia will be put to the decision to either kill them or let them mason away...but with their own masons, it seems to me like they'll probably avoid killing them as to not draw any attention to THEIR masons (by them surviving).
I know you all aren't talking to me, but I want to respond here, so hold on.
I am for a mass mason claim, but not on who they masoned, Lynching between masons is better, statistically, and more probable of lynching mafia. I want to lynch a mason who is NOT BC. The thing is, I don't think mafia will have their mason come out of the woodworks.
if you get masoned by someone other than bc, they are probably mafia, and you should out them in the thread
VisceraEyes gets +town points
On January 14 2012 05:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Wow lots happened while I was asleep Alright let's talk BC's claim. BC's claim is actually pretty brilliant in my eye and here's why. Before claiming, BC was easily one of the top three candidates for mayor if not the top one. There's little doubt in my mind that BC would have gotten one of the elected positions. Now he could always claim once elected, however that's not a pressure position. He's got bodyguards and immunity from dt checks so there's no danger of dying if he's town, or being found out if he's scum. However by claiming mid day like this it instantly puts a HUGE amount of pressure on him. All eyes are on him at the moment and his every action is being scrutinized. This is an extremely tough position to be in as scum. And so it begs the question, if BC is scum, what is the motivation for claiming like this? He had a great chance at being elected so why mess that up as scum? With this claim BC is willingly taking the spotlight and the scrutiny. While he may be scum and have the biggest balls I've ever seen, I find it far more likely that he is doing his best to demonstrate his good intentions by willingly going on the hot seat. In conclusion, I can only think of town motives for claiming. currently MIA: L, now would be a good time to start posting. Things that are bad in a townie way: Palmar, I don't think you're scum but I'd appreciate if you put more effort into the game. Things that are bad in a scummy way: People calling Palmar scum. Palmar is making himself a really easy target with his blatantly bad posting, it doesn't take much to call someone who's posting like him out. It's people trying to score townie points by looking like they're standing up and acting town when in reality they're just going after something that costs them no skin off their back. Note this doesn't apply to people who have simply asked Palmar to play better (like me lol) I'm instead talking about the people who were like "zomfg lynch palmar."
FoS: Meapak for buddying up to a mislynch
Could also be scumcoaching his buddy L to post more
if L flips mafia, I'm going to look into Meapak, and vice versa
On January 14 2012 05:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Agh should have proof read that, I have another point for why BC's claim is protown. It forces discussion of the issue and it gives us something to talk about on day 1 instead of just discussing the usual things which often lead nowhere. As scum, the status quo of talking in circles day 1 is great, BC's claim interupts that though and suddenly puts people (especially scum) on the spot to talk about an issue that is not normally present day 1.
How does this pressure scum at all? Mafia don't have to mason. Hell, BC might just be vanilla mafia pulling a fast one over all our eyes lol
On January 14 2012 05:31 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 04:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 14 2012 03:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC: Well, obviously you're no GF this game, because you claimed a confirmable role. Unless I'm mistaken, scum can't be mason AND GF, yes? DT checks will be accurate on you...so there's that. Confirming your alignment, in my opinion, should be paramount because I find it EXTREMELY likely that you would have elected to be mason on the scum team (for reasons that should be obvious to you and several others.)
What's your plan on confirming your role? Are you going to out who you've masoned with? Are you going to let them do it at their own pace?
I will out my first mason shortly, I want the debate to however move towards how to deal with masons as a whole. I say this because you know from experience with me just how subtle a touch can be needed to manipulate/confuse someone. A mafia mason will have the experience of a team in manipulation whereas a town member has their own ability to run with. On January 14 2012 04:01 Toadesstern wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 14 2012 03:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The Day 1 Important Discussion Post #1
Read this post fully before posting. It is something that everyone must read, and that everyone must comment on
That is right friends, this post as I am writing it is near one of the most important posts of this game day. You are going to ask? Why BC? Simple. I am about to do something that will cause people to yell and scream at me. I am roleclaiming.
I am mason
Note what I have done?
[1]
I have now put myself from the statistical chance of flipping a town aligned role of 80%ish and lowered it to a solid 50%.
I am now either 50% red or 50% blue.[/1.]
I am doing this for a few reasons.
[2]
1) in this game there could exist masons on both sides of the equation. As such dealing with them early is key as they work behind the scenes of the game. [/2]
[3]
2) it is a confirmable role, stress this point, ROLE. I can confirm my role at the beginning of a day cycle as opposed to at the end of a day cycle [/3]
3) I am being transparent. By giving this information now, reading me becomes far easier. There will never be the "is he blue trying to breadcrumb etc..?"
[4]
4) goes along with 3, however it outs one of the masons now. It stops the discussion later of people discussing all the people who are masons and who is believable late game whereas we can cover at least one of them now [/4]
This also sets the town up in a very advantageous way. Why you ask?
I am elected and now town knowingly knows I am active in pms.
I am not elected and not auto lynched by mayor and same information is known.
[5]
It also forces the mafia to deal with me as they have no idea what I am doing in pm land. Do they try and kill who I am talking to? Do they use their own masons and attempt to find out what I have said, etc....[/5]
This I feel is the most advantageous day 1 use of my ability. I have already used my mason use for the day and will say who I used it on after this post in the nearish future. I am leaving who it is out as the purpose is to generate discussion on my claim, not on who I chose to mason to. As to detail of why I did this aside from the general points I made? Everyone will have an opinion on this claim. Some good, some bad. People will have to have an opinion on this subject however. EVERYONE will have an opinion. Do not just post "wtf bc you dumb fuck why would you do this". This is a debate about me specifically being a mason and if I should be elected, not elected and lynched, or not elected and left for the mafia to deal with me.
All vets, all new players, all semi experienced players will have an opinion and it is needed. Anyone who fails to properly contribute on this matter. I have thought this claim out and realize that generally claiming day 1 is bad, however I feel at least with this mechanic and how it could be abused it should be discussed (especially with a high profile player such as myself possessing it) now and not later.
On the most important note that this post will do however is generate serious discussion. How do you all wish to proceed with a mason claim? Specifically my mason claim?
1) That's obviously bullshit. The chances to win lottery aren't 50% because you either win or you don't... but I see what you want to tell us 2) why? 3) no it's not. You're masoning someone. That someone is going to tell us if you masoned him. If you are a mafia you could tell us you masoned a mafiabuddy and of course your buddy will tell everyone you pm'ed him. 4) I don't realy care about what's going to happen with discussion later on if whatever might happen. I want to get a town mayor right now and for that reason I'd much rather see things tell give me something on your alignment than something that might or might not improve future-world 5) I'm pretty sure mafia will have to deal with you no matter what. That is if you're town. It's not like mafia is going not kill you because they think you might be a green instead of a blue and therefor you're no threat to them. Incorrect for you good sir. my role unlike anyone elses is confirmable. However my role is able to appear on both town and mafia sides thus rather than claiming "i am townie" and having the 80ish% chance of being one of the townie i am now firmly 50/50. My role is confirmable, my alignment isn't. You can clearly say "you were either 1 or the other before" however I have removed fake claiming almost entirely. Mafia do not benefit from me fake claiming this, nor do town. as for how I can confirm my role at the start? I mason at the beginning of a cycle not the end. As for saying its not confirmable? If i am a generic red and claim mason my mafia buddy says i masoned him. I die flip mafia goon he fucking dies. The only people who in their right mind would claim mason, are mason. As for also saying im not transparent? You know my role, I am even trying to discuss the role itself. If you do not care about the possible damages of a mafia mason late game and only care about the now then you are not playing in the best interests of this town. You must always look ahead. If there are roles that could potentially fuck town two days from now that wouldn't have if we talked about them today then we talk about it today. Period. as for mafia dealing with me? Say for arguments sake, there are 4 masons and 1 is red. I don't get elected and am not lynched by mayor. Mafia now has the option of killing me and thus reducing the number of people they can hide amongst and masons are confirmable. By claiming, town will always be analyzing me and determining if i am red or blue and choose to off me based on it. Mafia have the risk of killing me early and thus potentially outing one of their own early on or leaving me alone and hope the town ignores me. The longer I live the more benefit i am to the town and if i die by mafia shot I out one of their own slightly faster. Now. How do people wish to deal with masons as a whole? Do all discussions made get posted in thread? Do we opt to not talk to people who mason you, etc... This is an important matter, move just passed my personal claim and look at the role as a whole. Here is a link to a thread where masons were discussed before to get an idea why I think its important to discuss. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278946the situation proposed there is obviously different from this game but the important none the less. The Mason this game is more just about whispering it looks like. It really isn't that strong in the game. They can't create circles or nothing. They can disseminate roles privately I suppose but the threat is always there that the mason is mafia. As you yourself might be BC. I don't really see too much power in the role as of the moment. Especially if you play the game as such as to ignore pms.
It really isn't that powerful. It is just a neighbor in this setup. It isn't even really a mason.
On January 14 2012 05:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 05:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 14 2012 05:09 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I vote we totally ignore this mason thing, and allow them to do what they will. Masons can help both sides, and can backfire for mafia. Additionally, the mafia masons have to worry about maintaining their townieness on two fronts. If the masons people use their intellect, we can make the mafia masons potentially backfire.
If their logs conflict at any point, we get a 1 for 1 trade. Mafia masons have the experience of an entire team to work manipulate someone. Townies only have themselves. The level of experience on one front is far more stacked then the other. By making people discuss what masons are allowed to do, or how they are allowed to act you instead cripple the mafia from the get go. Yes and no. The townie doesn't have to worry about looking pro-town at any point in time, so conversations are very natural. The scum should have problems appearing townie to both the thread and the masoned person. LotR mafia, Radfield was this sort of scum mason, and he chose Sandroba. We didn't get to talk to Radfield all day, because he had to explain his every action to some level of detail in his conversation with Sandroba. And that's discluding the scenario where a townie masons a scum and forces him into speech. If we mass claim masons while making them useless, they essentially become VT's, so the mafia have higher chances of hitting other blues. Intense scrutiny is better all around. Play smart and masons are a very pro-town force. Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 06:20 flamewheel wrote:
Mafia
Your goal is to eliminate everyone else in the town. Your ability, as a group, is killing off whomever you decide on at night and knowing the role of each other player in your mafia. You may kill your own members. Mafia killing power will be determined when the game begins. You also must choose the Godfather, Roleblocker, Jack, and/or Framer from among yourselves. These [potentially] four Mafia power roles must be separately distributed, meaning one Mafia member can only possess one of these powers. If you do not choose by the start of night 1, I will randomly choose for you. Mafia will also have a certain number of Masons, which can be given to any Mafia (even those possessing other roles). Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 14:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
A couple notes about the set-up:
Elected roles gain detection immunity. This makes it worse for us if mafia get into one of these roles, as we have no way to DT check them. It also means that the GF probably won't run for office, or if he does, he'll drop out early. Between the mayor and the sheriff, the sheriff is the one who actually has power past day 1. So, one thing we can do, is vote in a player that we see as both a strong townie, and as being town in this game, into the mayor role solely for the purposes of protection. This applies to the sheriff too, but there's more responsibility on them as the game goes on due to the jailkeeper mechanic.
Also something to note, is that we can't trust vig claims, due to the possibility of mafia jack's, who would be able to shoot and not affect what KP would show up that night coming from the mafia.
We should also maybe talk about when to use our double lynches, but I don't think it's a huge deal until when the time comes that we might actually want to use them. We just need to be careful not to waste them.
Vote me into office, please. I don't know if there's anything to make of this, but I feel like it was correcting. No mafia have roles until they need them, so the GF will not be elected.
CC why the hell would you say that?
Even if I know BC's role is worthless, and I agree with you, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT
NOW THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO
wow
On January 14 2012 05:33 Kurumi wrote:
Have You been to the new Sherlock Holmes? It's good. Anyway, Meapak's reasoning sounds reasonable and I feel stupid for not getting such basic thing.
BC, do You think You'd be dead if not elected into office today?
FoS: Kurumi
1 useless post, promises content, comes back and minorly scumtells through going off topic
He's scum with sandroba
On January 14 2012 05:34 sandroba wrote:
Alright peeps here are the advantages of mass claim masons:
1) It forces mafia to come under a lot of scrutiny if they want to use the mason power. The plan is to watch these people closely and get a lot of the info out in the open, instead of allowing masons to operate in the shadows.
2) If mafia doesn't want the spot light they will probably not claim nor use their mason powers, which is very good for town. For this same reason we must not go on a witch hunt on the claimed masons, because they can be of any alignment and may be all town as well. We shall lynch people because of suspicious behavior, not because of trying to find mafia withing the masons.
3) There is not much of a downside to it. If mafia wants to waste their roleblock/kill on mason by all means be my guest. It further protects our really important blue roles which is great. If they choose to ignore them we are back in the same place we we're before with extra info as town that mafia opted not to use. Which is great.
speaking of sandroba being scum, lol
guys, look at this, and how blatantly anti-town this plan is
On January 14 2012 05:37 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 05:35 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 14 2012 05:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Agh should have proof read that, I have another point for why BC's claim is protown. It forces discussion of the issue and it gives us something to talk about on day 1 instead of just discussing the usual things which often lead nowhere. As scum, the status quo of talking in circles day 1 is great, BC's claim interupts that though and suddenly puts people (especially scum) on the spot to talk about an issue that is not normally present day 1. It's discussing the set-up, we don't really need that when we could be scum hunting. There is enough information generated by elections already. It's not discussing the set-up only. Don't try to low the worth (word?) the BC claim fuss.
OK This post has me wondering if BC is scum
Kurumi is defending BC now
I could see BC-Kurumi-Sandroba scumteam actually
fuck
On January 14 2012 05:45 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 05:31 kitaman27 wrote:
I disagree with a mass mason claim. A mason is a town favored role. Denying the mafia mason is not the priority. I'd be more than happy if a scum mason tried to contact me, considering they are now pressured into openly sharing their reads. People tend to have loose lips when regarding pms, but if you always consider their motives and agenda then there is no problem. With a mass claim, the scum team is free to pick off or roleblock blues. Suppose there are 4 mason claims and two get shot night one and flip town. Does that tell us anything about the remaining two masons? Not really. this is a really bad post imo. 1) no it's most certainly not town favoured. the mafia gets to prove read every single PM. while mafia can just target weak players in our team and thus spread confusing. 2) how on earth wouldn't it tell us something about the remaining masons? you say that townies claimed wrong? because in this scenario 4 masons are claimed, 2 are most certainly mafia, aren't they?
how is that a bad post? I agree with kita, masons shouldn't massclaim
your point 2 is completely wrong, but it is the course of venue we should take if it is a masonic massclaim, because 25% > 20% on a lynch in terms of likelihood to be mafia, but it won't be 50% like you or BC are saying, unless it's 1 town mason and 1 mafia mason.
On January 14 2012 05:47 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 05:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 14 2012 05:33 Kurumi wrote:
Have You been to the new Sherlock Holmes? It's good. Anyway, Meapak's reasoning sounds reasonable and I feel stupid for not getting such basic thing.
BC, do You think You'd be dead if not elected into office today? I feel like I might get shot? Mafia has to outweigh the importance of the mason role. Do they risk outing themselves faster by killing me, or keep me alive and hope that i get offed by town? Do I think I will die, at some point yes, totally depends on how the game rolls. Cool. I suppose You're going to try to confirm people through PMs, since fishing for blue roles is not something needed for a Town mason, right? Yeah, that's what everyone should just say open in the thread if it happens. Anyway. If You get elected we get very strong both town and scum player in the office, also You're really good in PM manipulation. The risks as for me, are still 50/50. If You're scum, we're fucked, if You're not, they're fucked.
NM BC isn't scum with this guy
Kurumi is still scum
carry on
On January 14 2012 05:48 sandroba wrote:
MASONS. FUCKING MASS CLAIM. RIGHT NOW. THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE.
How is there no downside? Mafia WON'T CLAIM. Mason role is useless like CC already said.
On January 14 2012 05:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC are you for or against a mass-mason claim? This is now the second time I've asked you. Please respond. I repeat, please respond to my query regarding the mass-mason claim. I am fine with either it, or having town just say "we ignore all pms that arent host pms" Making every mason accountable / making them useless to prevent manipulation seems the best play at the moment. making them all claim however is the optimal play, it may out the group of us, but it also prevents mafia from using their ability without being in the spotlight.
wow
are you really scum?
your posts, and people talking to you, keep making my flip flop
@BC: why are you dealing in absolutes?
On January 14 2012 05:58 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 05:45 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 14 2012 05:31 kitaman27 wrote:
I disagree with a mass mason claim. A mason is a town favored role. Denying the mafia mason is not the priority. I'd be more than happy if a scum mason tried to contact me, considering they are now pressured into openly sharing their reads. People tend to have loose lips when regarding pms, but if you always consider their motives and agenda then there is no problem. With a mass claim, the scum team is free to pick off or roleblock blues. Suppose there are 4 mason claims and two get shot night one and flip town. Does that tell us anything about the remaining two masons? Not really. this is a really bad post imo. 1) no it's most certainly not town favoured. the mafia gets to prove read every single PM. while mafia can just target weak players in our team and thus spread confusing. 2) how on earth wouldn't it tell us something about the remaining masons? you say that townies claimed wrong? because in this scenario 4 masons are claimed, 2 are most certainly mafia, aren't they? 1) I guess we have to disagree then. Even if mafia target weak players, those weak players still have logs of the agenda the mason is pushing on them. It is incredibly useful to have someone to bounce ideas off of in private, even if you don't know their alignment. In addition, it generates additional information that isn't available in the thread. 2) We don't know the role distribution. It is just as likely that there are 4 town masons and 0 scum masons as it is that there are 2 town masons and 2 scum masons. For people saying there isn't a downside to a mass mason claim, of course there is. Mafia now has the identities of additional blue roles. Why am I the only one making any sense at the moment?
Kitaman is right. I don't want to outguess the mod, but IT IS a flamewheel game. He could put that in there and put 10 masons since they're not really recruiters and they're just for information. He had nosy neighbors roaming around everywhere the last time I remember playing in a game he hosted, and given a mason claim D1, there could be masons all over, That's another reason we shouldn't massclaim on masons. what if there are like 10?
On January 14 2012 05:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 05:51 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 14 2012 05:48 sandroba wrote:
MASONS. FUCKING MASS CLAIM. RIGHT NOW. THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE. I second that. Come on out masons! Masons hold your shit. Massclaims day 1 are ALWAYS a bad idea. It puts strain on medics, it hands the mafia blue roles without even trying, and it creates a ridiculous mess that would take days to sort out who was actually a mason and who wasn't. I dont know who thought up this massclaim idea but it's stupid and should stop now.
Yeah. Thank you, Meapak, that was well said. I'm glad someone has the same viewpoint as me. I'm sorry I offended you, earlier. Cookie?
On January 14 2012 06:02 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm still wondering the proper benefits to the mass mason claim. I'm neutral as again, the role seems rather bland for the town this game. Being a mason doesn't confirm you. I'd like to know the general town consensus.
So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries*
FoS: ~OpZ~
minor scumslip here. OpZ is being wishy-washy, and that's a scummy reaction
On January 14 2012 06:03 sandroba wrote:
@meapak Generally I would agree, but have you thought about it? Read my post where I explain it. Now give me REASONS why it's a bad idea.
1) the entire town could be masons
2) there might not be any masons at all
3) scum don't have to actually claim, if they are mason at all
4) outting more than 1 PR on d1 is poor play, especially in a no-PM setup
On January 14 2012 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 06:02 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm still wondering the proper benefits to the mass mason claim. I'm neutral as again, the role seems rather bland for the town this game. Being a mason doesn't confirm you. I'd like to know the general town consensus.
So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries*
to be fair i have no mod confirmation that i was mason'd -_-
What?
BC just scumslipped
BC + OpZ are mafia
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