EPTbefore:
Here's where he's like "yeah man Erandorr not a good lynch"
WHAT I MEANT:
Here's where he's like "yeah man Erandorr IS a good lynch"
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
before: Here's where he's like "yeah man Erandorr not a good lynch" WHAT I MEANT: Here's where he's like "yeah man Erandorr IS a good lynch" | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On January 09 2012 09:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: With townies like you, who needs mafia. 1) Zeph is indeed being a moron. There are no good plans that don't depend on excellent town who scumhunt. VTs win the game, Blues are just along for the ride and help out in close lategames. Also scum PRs have a much better than 1/17 chance of hitting their roles. 2) This is still a bad plan we should just scumhunt like normal ._. | ||
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Tyrran
France777 Posts
On January 09 2012 12:14 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: I agree that it was most likely Palmar that sent me to purgatory, as I can't see any town player choosing to protect me over syllo, and I can't see town trying to use it for the roleblock on me instead of protecting someone. What I am more confused about is why he would do that. Agreed. Syllo was one of the most valuable town assets day 1, channeler sending him to purgatory was the best and obvious move. Palmar maybe thougth you were AoD, and/or DemonHunter. He also maybe tried to protect you. The fact that there were no ???? flip leaves us with 4 probability:
Questions to discuss day 2 : What do you guys think of Syllo and HoD ? Are they summy too you. Do you think they were liekly target for the AoD? With no ???? flip, RoL plan could still be put into motion. What do you think about it? | ||
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Refallen
452 Posts
Still though, I am extremely puzzled at why Palmar sent HoD to purgatory (I'm assuming here that channeler sent syllo to purgatory, a reasonable assumption to make, as I'm sure most of us saw, and still see, syllo as town, even after the vote switch debacle). Most probably Palmar had some kind of read that HoD is some powerrole and thus tried to purgatorize him. I do not think that Palmar was purgatorizing HoD to protect a teammate; to begin with, HoD would never be a target for any night actions anyway. So I'm pretty sure HoD isn't a demon at the moment. And with that, assuming AoD targetted syllo, we can also clear syllo from not being an angel. Also, seeing how he was the very first to call out Palmar after his kite comment, I don't think he's demon either. So, syllo town, HoD not demon is what I would infer from the night actions. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On January 09 2012 18:21 Refallen wrote: And with that, assuming AoD targetted syllo, we can also clear syllo from not being an angel. Also, seeing how he was the very first to call out Palmar after his kite comment, I don't think he's demon either. yes you're right that was some serious analysis calling Palmar out for saying "i'm a kite" is pro town | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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Refallen
452 Posts
On January 09 2012 18:33 Blazinghand wrote: yes you're right that was some serious analysis calling Palmar out for saying "i'm a kite" is pro town Obviously not the only part, he's been on Palmar about the entire day | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
It's also fairly likely that Palmar was a demon hunter hit because demon Demonic Twister's power protects against slay/stalk but not against demon hunter. Palmar had an important role, so it's somewhat likely that they would use it on him. I'm not sure if the twister can use the ability on himself, but right considering Palmar was by far attracting the most attention, that might change things depending on who the twister is. The only reason why it matters who hit Palmar is because the other possibility is that the demon hunter hit an angel who did not die, in which case we could discuss whether him claiming would be worthwhile. Probably not and his likely target would be risk nuke anyway. Risk.nuke still looks like the best lynch. The case against him still stands and quite a few people were against his lynch without adequately explaining why. They obviously can't all be his team mates, but it's hard to believe there would be that many townies unwilling to lynch him in that situation and be perfectly fine with lynching erandorr. His behaviour hasn't improved at all and that vt claim right before day post doesn't seem like something a townie would do. | ||
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Cwave
Netherlands313 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
He has NOT contributed to the discussion aside from, On January 06 2012 03:52 risk.nuke wrote: I don't like people posting who they think are town exept when It's in the defense of someone who looks like they are getting lynched. Our job is to find scum. If you think someone is town, you tell them you get a nullread on them or better don't talk about it at all. Belive me bluelightz when I say I don't like a post with a few townreads and no scumreads one bit. There are plenty of reasons why we shouldn't talk about our townreads. It makes it easier for scum to kill our strongest townreads. It makes it harder to discover the motive behind a kill. A scum who belives he is viewed as town won't feel as much pressure. A townie who belives he has confirmed himself might get a bit full of himself and play less optimal. Bluelightz Bluelightz is playing without a worry in the world. The nature of most of his posts seems completely carefree. When a townie is confronted with suspicious imo they get nervous and tries to find where they messed up and try to explain it. Bluelightz just shrugs it of. + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 21:36 Bluelightz wrote: Okay here's the continuation of my reads Errandor, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment Grackaroni, Null: His posting contains his case against me and discussing about the lurkers in this game. HarbingerOfDoom, Null/Leaning Town: His posting contains discussion of strategy for town, Discussing LA-Lurkers Jackal58, Null: 2 posts since the start of the game cannot determine alignment. Layabout, Leaning Town: When I compare when Layabout was town in Student and if he is town here his posting style is much the same being aggressive and starting discussion Mr.Wiggles, Leaning Town: His posts while not alot has very good content. Palmar, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he starts discussion himself. RebirthOfLeGenD, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment. Refallen, Null: His posts contain discussion about the lurkers,etc risk.nuke, Null: Has not posted alot syllogism, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he also shares his reads with others. Tyrran, Null: While lurking a little I can't determine his alignment xsksc, Null: Needs to start posting Zepphird, Null: His post's discuss about LA-Lurkers and strategy Okay I'm done if you have a question about my reads go for it  !Now, I have many town reads because this is day 1 and also people haven't posted much(including me) So, here it is! + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 05:08 Bluelightz wrote: First, I don't like the idea of lynching lurkers because more or less it justs waste's us a townie and Next, I think the people that are not posting should be chec Lastly, I don't have a scummy read on anyone yet. Doesn't want to lynch a lurker. On January 05 2012 14:27 Bluelightz wrote: Okay, ill just give my thoughts on LA-Lurkers First, I don't think that lynching lurkers benefit town in any way. Usually it results in a townie lynched(BByte lynch in student mafia as an example) Also, Here's the list of people I want posting xsksc Cwave risk.nuke Errandor That is all. Doesn't want to lynch a lurker. On January 05 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote: Right now, since we have no real option I would like to lynch a lurker. Wants to lynch a lurker. While his response could seem understandable because he did say he'd like to lynch a lurker in lack of better options. But then there is this On January 05 2012 21:59 Bluelightz wrote: At this point, I would wait if xsk starts posting, risk.nuke too. But if they don't i'm all ears for lynching them I would lynch RoL right now because he hasn't posted anything when I searched for RoL post's in the thread I haven't found any post's by him He is clearly quite fond of the idea of lynching lurkers. Going back again to when Palmar asked him who he would like to kill. His initial response was catastrophic. He said "an unspecific lurker" and avoided the pressure of the question. He changes his mind and he changes his target to RoL but on a very weak basis. Conclusion: He plays carefree, doesn't seem to giving things more then a brief thought before having an opinion which leads to him often changing his mind. Not traits that strikes me as townish in a complicated mafia game. Refallen What I don't like about refallen is he posts just to look town.+ Show Spoiler + On January 04 2012 16:52 Refallen wrote: Finally started! Hype! My first thoughts on the setup; Obviously, I think the best way to go about this game is to focus on killing angels in the early game. Once we get rid of the acolyte, the seer has an infinitely easier job in cleansing corruption because we can actually claim if we got corrupted and not get targetted right now as we get closer to the late game lynching demons obviously becomes more and more important, but town would have a huge benefit if we can reduce angel KP early on in the game, as this has a building effect of letting more townies live = demon corrupt has less of an impact. + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 10:22 Refallen wrote: Alright, I just woke up, first thoughts: Why is everyone tunneling the lurkish newbie? He is sooooo likely to flip town instead of scum. Just look at Election Mafia, and XLVIII. In almost every case, the lurking newbie simply turns out to be just that, a newbie, which explains his low-posting. We definitely do not want to be wasting a lynch on him. This is never a good idea. Even a town who is completely non-contributing serves as an extra KP before LYLO, and for most newbie towns, they will be sheeping the case which most people are already on, in effect letting town have an extra vote. We should never ever ever kill town "because he's useless at it". I'm not sure what you're going on about having a solid case. How does one make a solid case on someone who has 3 posts and told us they're going afk for a bit on the very first day of the game? For now, I don't have a lynch target. I want Palmar to start posting. Everyone is not tunneling, coming to the rescue so quickly you don't even properly analyse the situation. Eager to appear protown? The rest of the post is... "fluff" "I don't have a lynch target" "I Want palmar to start posting" + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2012 02:23 Refallen wrote: Think this makes me 3/3 of me being discussed as lynching on day 1 as a townie, my play sure is good /sarcasm. Honestly though, was at a friends birthday party, just got home, about to sleep. Syllo, and others, I don't see how showing angels were a bigger threat than demons would paint me as anti-town. Keep in mind that the context of the post when it was made; all of us were discussing the setup (mainly because it was start of day 1 and it served as a topic of discussion.) Obviously the point about us not being able to tell who was demon/angel makes the whole discussion basically practically useless, but it provided a topic for us to start talking about the game (if you want useless posts, see palmars kite claim) With that said, I'll be reading through the thread tomorrow and posting who I think are suspicious. Right now at least my previous suspicion of Palmar has been assuaged at him posting and being his usual bullying town self. Conclusion: I don't like his posts so far and I'm suspicious towards his hype followed by nothing but fluff. I'm waiting for his thoughts tomorrow and some better defense wouldn't hurt him. xsksc xsksc and the meta. What is xsksc up to? I might be wrong but this doesn't feel like the townie xsksc I am used to. On January 06 2012 12:45 risk.nuke wrote: I don't want to lynch palmar because first of all he is Palmar and secondly he seems to be missing. Why should we lynch the (imo) best player in the game in a 2 mafia team setup day 1.+ Show Spoiler + On January 06 2012 11:43 Jackal58 wrote: Are you scum too? There should be zero confusion about which of those 2 you would want to lynch if you believe them both to be scum. No offense risk.nuke but you're not scary. Scum Palmar is scary. This is just fearmongering. @Refallen, it is a townie priority to look town. But what you're doing is not that. You're writing useless posts hoping on a brief glance they will make it look as you're contributing. And when most of your posts are like that I get suspicious. There is nothing wrong or scummy with anyone of your posts. But they are all very easy to make as a scum. And I have not made a case yet, if you think what I wrote on you and bluelightz are cases I promise you this. When I make a case it will have a conclusion that says this guy is scum and we should lynch his arse. Now, Everything else in his filter is either a. one liner b. responding to a case against him c. asking questions at people for their opinions, and blah blah blah So, he isn't contributing in any way I am parking my vote on risk till he comes back and starts contributing. | ||
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
I found risk's claim really weird aswell. His first statement "I'll claim just before deadline" was weird alone but combine that with a claim when no one else have claimed (besides HoD) just makes me suspicious. Its like he don't want to be attacked for promising one thing and doing another. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
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Refallen
452 Posts
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
##Vote Cwave Either he is scum with palmar or he is a townie with a bad read (on me). | ||
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Tyrran
France777 Posts
On January 09 2012 20:37 Dirkzor wrote: Actually: ##Vote Cwave Either he is scum with palmar or he is a townie with a bad read (on me). Since when is having a bad read a good reason to lynch a townie? Are you seriously saying we should lynch a townie because he has a 'bad read'. His case against you is pretty weak, he did note even vote against him, why would you lynch him ? What are you afraid of? Why do you think he is scum with palmar ? It doesnt really stad out in his filter. What makes you think he is demon and not an Angel ( if he is scum). You seems to hold a grudge against him because he called you fishy early day 1. Why do you focus so much on him, and not on Blazinghand who actually voted against you ? On the other hand, i would also like to see you post more Cwave. You seems to have an excel file where you write your read on us. Tell me, who do you think we should lynch today, why ? | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
I said I would claim vt, then I got insanely bussy with newbie mafia related stuff. At 59 I just tabbed and pressed vt because first I said I would and I had no idea if people were claiming as rol wanted or not. second I was hoping my promise to claim just before deadline might make me the angel think I was a scared blue. And If I were killed and you couldn't see my flip I wanted to have claimed vt. | ||
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Cwave
Netherlands313 Posts
On January 09 2012 20:37 Dirkzor wrote: Actually: ##Vote Cwave Either he is scum with palmar or he is a townie with a bad read (on me). Humour me with explaining either statement. It's useless for our progress if you just vote like that. Atleast give me some arguments i can counter or explain instead of saying i have a bad read on you. I still think you have some sort of Angel/Demon power hiding. If im wrong, explain. Voting for me cause i have my questions with your alignment is not town behaviour by you. | ||
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Refallen
452 Posts
Cwave We also have a seer who in my opinion has the most important power of the game, namely the identification of angels! As of such, please don't roleclaim for now as mentioned in the pre-game discussion for with 3 factions in this game, 2 factions will instantly try to kill you. Ok, weird role to choose the most important power of. Unless you're a demon. I think this is a good hypothetical question to answer. One everyone should answer! Dikrzor for me at the moment. For you Palmar & Syllo, who would you pop right now if you had to? Cwave, what do you think about risk? Do you think his plan was reasonable? What plan do you mean? Not too bad of a plan since you do tend to create good ripples in the water. And with ripples comes information. Or this one? Buddying with Palmar, possible scumbuddies? The exchange about risk.nuke and his plan sounds especially contrived. @ Risknuke. 6 voted on you at the moment and it seems 5 people haven't voted yet, including myself. Other then your defense that you "got annoyed with meta in the face", any reason i shouldn't vote you? Seems such a waste to hang someone like you for information as suggested by other people in here. While i await your asnwer im parking my vote on Erandorr. Main reason is this post which puts Erandorr along side RoL for me in terms of bad/useless. ##VOTE: Erandorr Not wanting to vote risk.nuke? I'm going to say that if we lynch risk.nuke and he flips demon, Cwave is most probably the last one. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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