EPTTerrans vanishing from the ladder. - Page 45
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Tollhouse1
United States80 Posts
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
On December 15 2011 22:05 Inori wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Beta_Patch_Notes Starcraft II, you? Quoting beta notes for sc2 would be akin to citing documents from 1850 to describe the current political situation in the world. It bears 0 relevance on the state of the game as it is now. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15898 Posts
On December 15 2011 10:40 statikg wrote: Who quits the game because they feel that their race is OP? Geez bronzies...I would never quit if my race was OP. Really tho I'm sure these guys are all bronzies cuz thats where terran shines 3rax > everything Your race is balanced, yet you whine like a sissy. If your race was op, you would tell us to 'nydus moar'. Oups, that what you did. Seriously terran, I thought that you weren't like us (zergs) aka little whiners. I guess I was wrong. Play the game or quit it. If your feelings are hurted when someone tell you to 'kill yourself' then you're a girl. :p (me no sexist, dont hit kekeke) | ||
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Tollhouse1
United States80 Posts
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Deleted User 61629
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Mehukannu
Finland421 Posts
On December 15 2011 21:20 allerion wrote: You mean terrans need to do multiple things as once to be successful? Well golly gee, no other race need to do that, terran must require 10x the apm than any other race. If you cant win a TvP.... you're a very very dense person. If you are in masters/diamond and dont realize that every protoss has certain handicap that come with the race, and dont know how to exploit it, youre not mentally ready to be in higher leagues. I dont see how you consider stimming and stutter stepping "GREAT UNIT CONTROL" when its just basic micro. Do you really want to argue that it is better to leave the battle, momentarily incapable of micro, than watching your units while you press 5ggggdddddaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? In case you actually want to argue that, while terrans are in the middle of holding that a key, if they need to move their units, they can. if protoss is in the middle of warping in zealots, the proxy pylon isnt always right next to the battle, which means they cant do something if its needed for several seconds. If you are in diamond, there are tons of things that YOU are doing to lose yourself the game. it is not your race, its not the race youre playing against. YOU lost. figure out what YOU did and fix it. If you think the hardest thing for protoss is that they have to look away from the fight if they want to warp in some reinforcements while being incapable of micro then you probably should change all your warpgates to gateways so you can also focus more on micro like the terran does, because quite frankly you still have the choice to use either/both gateways and warpgates. Not saying that gateways are anyway better than warpgates, but if you are complaining terran has it easier in a fight because they can focus more on microing units than protoss due to their macro mechanics, you have to realize that protoss has the choice of doing the same thing. | ||
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allerion
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On December 15 2011 22:13 Tollhouse1 wrote: See allerion troll syndrome right there showing through. As soon as i point something out you turtle up and make adjustment to arguements and take the tone down. Now on to a serious response experimentation in this game is crucial and very since the meta game shifts so wildly. While this is a good thing its very hard to experiment the right way as pros do remember when blue flame hellions first popped into the scene. SlayerS they brought it up since they had an entire team testing every single build possible involving a hellion. Now while this is possible to do alone the meta game will shift before it is mastered. Besides experimentation in the leagues below pro is kind of poopy since what i mentioned and your mechanics arent actually perfect to have a build work repeatedly. Besides there is never going to be one answer only a certain play style that beats another and adaptation that wins games in higher leagues. What have you pointed out? Accusing me of trolling? Do you know what trolling is? Yes, figuring thing out is easier when you have the mechanics of a MVP or Nestea or MC. (on a side note, when Slayers terrans used BFH almost exclusively at MLG, the only thing that changed was the color of the flame on the thumbnail.) But it doesn't mean someone at a lower level doesn't know if a build feels good or not. If something feels good, its a lot more fun to play with. I don't buy a metagame shift as a reason not to experiment when you're below masters, because frankly, metagame really doesnt matter below masters. If some zerg in gold decided to play like Fruitdealer in GSL S1, with much better macro than he had been using, hes going to win just from macro, to a point it doesnt matter what he does. Anyway, you should be adapting what youre doing ingame to your opponent anyway, so to be very very strict in anything is kinda like fighting a battle before it is fought. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if somethings not working for you, find something that does | ||
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allerion
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On December 15 2011 22:31 Mehukannu wrote: If you think the hardest thing for protoss is that they have to look away from the fight if they want to warp in some reinforcements while being incapable of micro then you probably should change all your warpgates to gateways so you can also focus more on micro like the terran does, because quite frankly you still have the choice to use either/both gateways and warpgates. Not saying that gateways are anyway better than warpgates, but if you are complaining terran has it easier in a fight because they can focus more on microing units than protoss due to their macro mechanics, you have to realize that protoss has the choice of doing the same thing. I never said the hardest part of protoss was warping things in... Im just saying that there is more time spent away from your army. It has its advantages, it has its disadvantages. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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On December 15 2011 22:24 Inori wrote: You're taking it out of context. The guy I was responding to assumes that SC2 was perfectly balanced on release, then cites terran nerfs and talks about FACTS. In this context beta patches are perfectly relevant to give a more realistic overview of the situation during release. Meh, can't really side with you on this one. Also, the beta notes, when you read through them, don't exactly showcase a major nerf-string for protoss. Several patches nerfed the other races considerably more, there were just so many buffs and nerfes all the time. It's pretty reasonable to limit oneself to a number of recent nerfs. It seems the game stopped being an scv-pull mess some time late 2010, but that's just my arbitrary delimitation. | ||
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Tollhouse1
United States80 Posts
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frantic.cactus
New Zealand164 Posts
Also love how terran is "so op" on the ladder, but statistics show that it's the player who is op not the race. | ||
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petro1987
Brazil374 Posts
Some P and Z players come here to deny that Terran is more mechanical demanding and come up with some really wierd reasonsing for the fact that Terran is less played in ladder. Some arguments that have been put: - Terran is boring; - Terran is so OP that terran players feel ashamed and switch races; - Terran players are actually all bad and have been all-ining all the time to win, so with the recent nerfs they can't win anymore and they switch; Seriously, is this the best reasoning you guys could come up with? I'm actually hoping most of you are just trolling. The real reason why most terran players are switching: Terran is more mechanical demaning. Most players at gold-masters are casual players that can't afford to play 3+ hours everyday. With their actual raw mechanical skill, playing P or Z is more rewarding. So they switch. Is it that hard to understand? Just answering the counter argument (why don't they just play until they get really good to the point where Terran really shines?) that has been made countless times: Because they can't afford (or don't want to) to play that much. This is very simple actually. Also, add to this whole situation the hate you get for playing Terran in this community. It's disheartining. I think the trend will continue though. In season 5, we'll probably see the number of Ts drop even more. I expect something like 20% in Diamond or maybe less. I hope P and Z like to mirror and play each other. On the bright side, I think Blizzard is trying to address this in HotS making mech actually viable in TvP. I hope this works. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
It will bring zerg, as it's the zerg campaign and everyone agree that zerg got the most exeting new multiplayer units. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
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Scila
Canada1849 Posts
On December 15 2011 23:08 petro1987 wrote: I've seen many people come in this thread thinking this is a balance whine thread. Please, read this: THIS IS NOT A BALANCE WHINE THREAD. We don't want buffs or nerfs. We want Blizzard to correct some bad design decisions that made the game the way it is now. Simply put: Terran is more mechanical demanding, which really hurt low level players (gold to masters, event grandmasters at some regions). Some P and Z players come here to deny that Terran is more mechanical demanding and come up with some really wierd reasonsing for the fact that Terran is less played in ladder. Some arguments that have been put: - Terran is boring; - Terran is so OP that terran players feel ashamed and switch races; - Terran players are actually all bad and have been all-ining all the time to win, so with the recent nerfs they can't win anymore and they switch; Seriously, is this the best reasoning you guys could come up with? I'm actually hoping most of you are just trolling. The real reason why most terran players are switching: Terran is more mechanical demaning. Most players at gold-masters are casual players that can't afford to play 3+ hours everyday. With their actual raw mechanical skill, playing P or Z is more rewarding. So they switch. Is it that hard to understand? Just answering the counter argument (why don't they just play until they get really good to the point where Terran really shines?) that has been made countless times: Because they can't afford (or don't want to) to play that much. This is very simple actually. Also, add to this whole situation the hate you get for playing Terran in this community. It's disheartining. I think the trend will continue though. In season 5, we'll probably see the number of Ts drop even more. I expect something like 20% in Diamond or maybe less. I hope P and Z like to mirror and play each other. On the bright side, I think Blizzard is trying to address this in HotS making mech actually viable in TvP. I hope this works. I'm so glad so many people here understand this. It's too bad that this won't get addressed until HOTS however, and even then we might end up with the same situation if Blizzard doesn't tweak the new units properly. We just want to be able to complete without being Korean code-S players  | ||
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Tollhouse1
United States80 Posts
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On December 15 2011 23:08 petro1987 wrote: On the bright side, I think Blizzard is trying to address this in HotS making mech actually viable in TvP. I hope this works. Mech will NEVER be playable in TvP, because every mech ground unit is simply hardcountered by Immortals. and mech/air is at the moment to gas intensive and will be in the future! The Warhound will be a pure Mutalisk counter, cause guess what: We already have a unit that has a decent range and high dmg against mech units, since nearly every Mech Unit in the game is armored. So don't expect too much out of HotS right now, because on the facts given at this point of time, there won't be a big difference, how terran will be played in HotS! | ||
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kevint
Denmark42 Posts
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xUnSeEnx
United States183 Posts
On December 14 2011 10:15 Atlare wrote: This happens in stages all the time as a result due to perceived balance issues, interesting matchups etc. For a long term Zerg had this representation and more recently there was a period of time when Protoss was wildily underplayed, a significant portion of Starcrafts playerbase swaps races at whim which is influenced by current perceptions on the game (which can be misleading or false). Completely false. Protoss has been played heavily in both NA and EU since the start of the game. Terran and toss were about even and zerg was less. As for perceived balance issues, why play terran when I have to change my style of play every 2 weeks? why not switch to toss and/or zerg and never have to change my style of play? The only time you ever saw the least amount of protoss being played was in the KR server, which btw, increased a lot since the last 2 patches done. (i.e. over buffing an already good race). Get your facts straight before you post here. EDIT: (Done with my rant), to answer the original OP, I think it comes down to Terran players are just sick of getting nerfed every patch, when it is not because the race is OP, but because they are winning games and outplaying their opponent. I personally switched to playing Toss, and have a perfect record 40 games straight. (just FYI, telling you how much easier it is to play). | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
Just a little bit of thought experiment. | ||
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