Terrans vanishing from the ladder. - Page 38

If the Protoss player is worth half their salt, unless you are doing an all-in it's quite easy to stave off early pressure until you get your stim timing which is around 9min at the earliest, not to mention you can FF the ramp, so not sure how you are losing to early pressure especially when stalkers with proper micro can destroy so many marines. I put on all sorts of pressure plays vs Protoss, but you know what, that isn't supposed to win you the game. It's a tactic to ensure you gain either a slight army advantage, or an economic advantage (and ideally both), but since Protoss can defend so easily with Warp-Ins and their superior unit compositions / faster upgrades, you really have to deal a significant amount of early damage to have a chance coming into the later stages of the game. If you use Banshees it means you are significantly behind the Protoss in economy since most Protoss these days go 1Gate FE or 3Gate FE > Robo, and then there are all the 1 base all ins like VRs @ 6:15, Immortal All ins @ 8-9 mins, 1 base Colo push with 2 Colo + range @ 9:40, etc. etc.

Generally you know what the Protoss is going to do by 3:55 because that is when they usually get the 2nd gas, but you aren't ever sure, and using a scan so early...isn't generally a good idea because the MULE is so important.

You have no idea. You do not need 80APM as Protoss. Most master Protoss players do not even have 65EAPM (use SC2gears). Their army require very little if any micro in macro games and its generally in the early stages of the game where Protoss have to micro a lot more, and if they are any good Stalkers can really severely cripple your early game because they outrange marines and can pick off lone marauders pretty well. I watched Oz destroy aLive this morning with 2 stalkers. Of course, aLive didn't play optimally, because if Protoss pressure early with Stalker you generally need a bunker, or more production facilities and good mind game micro with marines. Terran have a few good early timings to take advantage of in the early-mid game. Before Colo / HT are able to be fielded properly / as stim / shields are done / first medivacs / +1/+1 / etc., but normally, they aren't meant to win you the game (and against equally skilled player you really shouldn't). 7 Gate 2-base all ins are also quite difficult to hold. So Protoss have as many early game / mid - game pressures and all ins for Terran to deal with also that require different answers for each one.

The problem with TvP isn't the early or mid game, where I feel it is generally balanced to a large extent. It's when the game gets past the 12-14 minute mark. You shouldn't have to be ahead either economically, or militarily to say you have a shot at winning. If you are even with the Protoss @ 14min, you are in some very deep shit. That doesn't sound all too balanced to me. I'm not one to cheese much if at all, but I've started to rely on cheesing more and more in the MU because Protoss simply roll face over Terran armies in the macro / late games. Archons / Chargelot +3+3 are so damn difficult to kill efficiently, when they have HT storming and Colo beaming their lasers behind them with little to no micro effort. A Terran late game army can be completely decimated within a second or two. Even with 12-14 Vikings it still takes 4-5 seconds to wipe out 4-5 +3 armor Colossus, meanwhile you also have to stutter step, EMP/Snipe, Macro while stutter stepping (heaven forbid Archons get a few shots off), and make sure to micro your Vikings away from Stalkers so you can actually kill a few of their Colossus. Ask most decently skilled / ranked Terrans and they'll tell you the same thing.

Even if you are ahead economically in late game you can EASILY lose the game in one engagement with the deathball. You simply cannot remax efficiently, and as fast as needed to stop Protoss from stomping into your facilities, and killing your units coming from your production facilities. With 20 rax you are still looking at three to four cycles before you remax, whereas Protoss from 30 gateways can remax in one to two because they are so goddamn efficient late game. They have Archon Splash, Colo splash, and HT splash, plus the fact that zealot with charge always do damage even with stutter step (I do not like that change Blizz made...). What splash do Terrans have? EMP. You know how hard it is to get off good EMPs, Macro, Stutter Step, etc.? Decent Protoss' keep their HT in the back and guarded / spread. It doesn't take much APM to do this. Not to mention most P keep an obs or two with their deathballs to stop cloaked ghosts.

So hard to drop good Protosses who have good obs uses. They see drops coming from a mile away / warp-in. I wouldn't have a problem with the MU if Protoss required as much mechanically as Terran did. It simply baffles why people argue one race should be more mechanically demanding than another to play on an even footing.

Yes, I do need to work on late-game TvP engagements. All Terrans do. You know why? Because its so damn difficult to even come out on an even footing. Protoss have too much splash too easily used compared to Terran. Colo + HT + Archon/Chargelot. You have to be god to micro your MMMVG to come out ahead against Protoss late game. The same cannot be said for Protoss. Is it too much I ask that Blizzard either make Protoss units require more micro / race be more mechanically demanding / on par with Terran? Try playing with 80EAPM as Terran against Protoss with 80EAPM.

You have no idea what it takes to play Terran. Until you do you shouldn't make stupid statements like: