Terrans vanishing from the ladder. - Page 40

Get your FACTS straight, Protoss was nerfed 14 patches in a row from the actual beginning, while terran was buffed patch after patch. Now they're fixing that.

On December 15 2011 17:42 Elefanto wrote:
I played both, Terran and Protoss at high masters level, and personally, i found Terran to be easier to learn and to get at a higher level.
You can get really really far with Terran just by mechanics (i include micro / macro in this case).

The builds are super simple most of the time, you have clean transitions and your builds can be planned until the 10min mark regardless of what your opponent does. All you have to know is what all-ins are possible and how to deal with them in the most efficient way (how many bunkers, scvs pulls etc.), but it doesn't effect your builds. You can go with a predetermined build in every match-up regardless of what you scout at the start.

That's different for both Zerg and Protoss. You can get higher in the ladder than Terran through sheer understanding and game sense. But Terran is really mechanics demanding, but if they are good, they'll carry you pretty pretty far regardless of your knowledge. And i think that's the problem for most of the lower terrans. Their mechanics suck, their timings and builds are shit. Most of what pro Terrans let them get the edge over their opponents can't be used by noobs, so they feel they have a more difficult time.

What they don't realise, at gold / plat or even diamond, you don't have to emulate the pro players. You can create your own, easy to play builds. TvP go for thors and blue flame hellions and get 200/200 or something like that while turteling.
In broodwar D level players didn't try to go for the same builds / styles like the progamers, because they couldn't.

It's a good sign for Sc2 if it's the same, otherwise the game would be way to easy if everyone could emulate the pro players, and we wouldn't feel a bit of awe when we see their magic on the screen happening thinking "i could NEVER do that! Wow"

On December 15 2011 18:06 aderum wrote:
Why are you guys talking about the nerfs? They were justified since the MU was really in favor for Terran for a good year. And for the first time now Protoss is a head and all Terran screams nerf. We really should give it some time to settle first.

On December 15 2011 17:42 Elefanto wrote:
I played both, Terran and Protoss at high masters level, and personally, i found Terran to be easier to learn and to get at a higher level.
You can get really really far with Terran just by mechanics (i include micro / macro in this case).

The builds are super simple most of the time, you have clean transitions and your builds can be planned until the 10min mark regardless of what your opponent does. All you have to know is what all-ins are possible and how to deal with them in the most efficient way (how many bunkers, scvs pulls etc.), but it doesn't effect your builds. You can go with a predetermined build in every match-up regardless of what you scout at the start.

That's different for both Zerg and Protoss. You can get higher in the ladder than Terran through sheer understanding and game sense. But Terran is really mechanics demanding, but if they are good, they'll carry you pretty pretty far regardless of your knowledge. And i think that's the problem for most of the lower terrans. Their mechanics suck, their timings and builds are shit. Most of what pro Terrans let them get the edge over their opponents can't be used by noobs, so they feel they have a more difficult time.

What they don't realise, at gold / plat or even diamond, you don't have to emulate the pro players. You can create your own, easy to play builds. TvP go for thors and blue flame hellions and get 200/200 or something like that while turteling.
In broodwar D level players didn't try to go for the same builds / styles like the progamers, because they couldn't.

It's a good sign for Sc2 if it's the same, otherwise the game would be way to easy if everyone could emulate the pro players, and we wouldn't feel a bit of awe when we see their magic on the screen happening thinking "i could NEVER do that! Wow"

Because maybe those nerfs were justified for the top .001% of players, but regular ol' ladder terrans are finding it pretty well impossible to deal with zealot heavy compositions mid to lategame.

On December 15 2011 18:10 Viciousvx wrote:
The only race that can win games by building free bunkers in an opponents base by the 3 minute mark even at the highest level of play.

and still they can find a way to complain.

*States a protoss/zerg cheese build*

On December 15 2011 18:18 Doganaws wrote:


+1

I'm somewhere in diamond, I don't really care what builds pro players use. I hate bio and I play mech all matchups, even TvP. And guess what, I own Protosses.. I play like 5-6 games a week and i still own them as long as I don't mess up really hard or don't get allined.

I know I could go for very micro intensive high APM demanding drop bio play, but I'm already into more things than playing games, but I still love SC2. It always confuses me, how lower level players are trying to play like pros and then come here complaining what works and what does not.

Everyone says mech doesn't work TvP. I tell you what - If you are somewhere mid gold/diamond, even masters maybe. Turtle up to 200/200 Hellion/Tank/Thor with double armory and get a few ghost on 3 bases.. You can get there like in 17-18 minutes, possibly faster if macro is the only issue. I guarantee you that you WILL crush people. Practise your macro, untill you can get there, only then start involving strategy, drops, scouting, making proper unit compositions, etc.. It naturally comes automatically along the way anyways

Forget about bio, it's really demanding, micro intensive and it requires a good game sense, something you only will be able to utilize where you can macro properly. Watch MVP vs Polt for instance Blizzard cup. In Hots mech is going to work very well, so you better start using it now.

On December 15 2011 17:39 nttea wrote:
Man i remember this discussion from early release when zerg was ridiculously crippled and terran was the most ridiculous piece of shit race ever born out of blizzards ass, it felt fucking terrible working your ass off every game only to get lolled at by shit terrans who pretty much picked random strat and executed it in a way i could have done with mouse-only. not to mention the reaper bullshit Anyway things have changed alot since then and i feel like the terrans i lose to nowadays is either me fucking up like a tard or they outplaying me impressively. One of the most frustrating things about to read on teamliquid back then was dumbass terrans trying to give advice to zerg as if none of us had any idea how to play the fucking game, Anyone saying "terrans lose because they just didn't realize this or they don't use that" and isn't actually a terran player himself should shut the fuck up cause you don't know shit. The game's harder for terrans on the high amateur levels, hopefully blizzard can find a solution but until then can we protoss and zerg players try to show some respect when terrans express legitimate frustration?